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11-11-2006 #51
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Re: Love and Lust
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11-11-2006 #52
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Originally Posted by RawNY
My mother asked him, where was he meeting most of these women. He responded, "at bars".
Now of course all women that you meet in a bar, aren't going to be women that are after your money, nor is the converse true, that all women that you don't meet in a bar going to be all prim and proper, and 'wifey material'.
However as Ms. Richter points out if you frequent porn websites, and TS sex parties, you most likely aren't going to find someone for a potential LTR.
There are indeed sites, venues, and techniques for meeting transwomen who are looking for LTRs.
But gentlemen for the most part, you are 'looking for love' in mostly all 'the wrong places' to paraphrase the old Waylon Jennings' song.
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11-11-2006 #53But gentlemen for the most part, you are 'looking for love' in all mostly all 'the wrong place' to paraphrase the old Waylon Jennings' song.
Never meaning no harm..."
Whups, wrong Waylon Jennings song.
'All the wrong places' is a pretty good qualifier. I'm not sure I was exactly hunting in the wrong places, per se, but I somehow managed to put out a vibe that attracted women who, no matter how they looked or spoke, invariably owned kick-start vibrators and liked fish. But if you hang out at Cowtown a lot, you can't expect to find Martha Stewart there (Of course, if you hang out at the state pen on visitor's day, Martha might just be there ).
Before I hermitized, I did the prowl in just about every venue you can imagine. From the classic (Laundramats, grocery stores, flea markets) to the unusual/extreme (The hotel bar, hotel sauna, my bathtub at an area hotel - Damn thing seated six! ). Personals, done it. Dating service, done it. "Hey, babe, you wanna fuck?" *SLAP*, done it.
I've found internet relationships somewhat satisfying (Though most never pan out to an actual meeting), mostly because I tend to express thoughts better via the written/typed word (And draw the same clarity in return) than I do in person. Think: Ernest Hemingway on the page, Gomer Pyle in the flesh. Even if you don't get down and dirty, it's nice to have someone lucid to chat with now and again. Let's face it, all the big tits, tight asses, and arm-thick schlongs in the world aren't going to mean much if the person attached has trouble deciphering the instructions on a shampoo bottle.
I have met, in person, a handlful of people I've met on the net. Though most have just been friendly dinner meetings/'dates' (You know who you are :P ), a couple have gone further. Spent a lovely few months/couple of years with a 3G (Gay GG) I met in a chatroom on AOL and have very fine memories thereof (She drifted away and got back with a former lover).
I also had the exceptional good fortune to spend time with a fascinating boi that I stumbled on while searching for "hermaphrodite" in the AOL Member Directory (I'm such a slut!). Intersexed (Born GG, but with an odd chromosme mix that made him as much male as female), he was super-intelligent and creative and, due to his mixed biology, gave off gender vibes that fired all cylinders for me (I am bi and he gave off an aura that defied gender definition). Alas, he was hyper and autistic and I am ADD and aloof, so we found each other sitting at opposite ends of the bed, playing with ourselves (But not each other). Go figure. A high note: He went on to be very active in several gender positive organizations, including ISNA, the Intersex Society of North America ( www.isna.org/ ).
I just wish he'd call 'home' once in a while.
So, yah, shopping in the wrong store won't get you what you're looking for, but it's not a clear rule and often gets challenged by fate.
"In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." - George Orwell
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11-12-2006 #54
The key issue is the acceptance of transsexuals or transgendered people by society at large. Until such time as they are accepted and accorded the same rights and opportunities as others, transsexuals, who let's face it need to make a living, will in many cases be confined to the sex industry. As Vicki said earlier, that immediately puts some pretty significant restraints on the types of relationships that they can enjoy.
Clearly it varies from country to country, but even gays aren't universally accepted yet, so I think (unfortunately) it may be a long while yet before people don't bat an eyelid at seeing guys and tgirls in public, surely a prerequisite of more "normal" relationships. (By in public, I mean outside the confines of clubs or gay/TG "hotspots").
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11-12-2006 #55
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Originally Posted by Vicki Richter
post you do. Are you changing your direction, is working in the sex industry something
you are trying to abandon at this point? I still think and believe that you are worth
something much much better then being a sex worker. But i might be wrong.
Also, this is kind of first post (that i know) where you are admitting your plannes to
do SRS at some point in your life. What "conditions" are you expecting to be fulfilled
in order to make that step? What are you waiting for, in other words?
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11-12-2006 #56
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Originally Posted by McManaman
Every girl thinks about a LTR eventually, most every TS girl plans for SRS someday, and there's nothing wrong with being in the sex industry.
And this isn't her first post concerning SRS, here or from what I remember elsewhere. She has gone on and on about SRS on several occasions. Can't blame a girl for that, it is a pretty huge deal, and a very important and personal objective.
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Originally Posted by Shelf
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11-12-2006 #58
I am going to argue a few points. The reason gay guys can have a happy relationship is because in most cases they aren't sex workers. It isn't a societal stigma. As I said before, TS outside of the industry have often had happy healthy relationships. This removes jealousy and a whole variety of human emotions which can take place.
I hate hearing, "society isn't ready". I also hate hearing that girls can't do anything but sex work. Get an education and there are companies who want you to work for them because you help them fill certain quota's which show they hire a diverse workforce. The fact is, most sex workers I know have no desire to get out of that work. Why should they? What other job can girls (or almost anyone) pull down $5-$10k on a good week for doing something which sometimes is fun. I know girls in their 40's still escorting and doing pretty well. Someday that drops off and it's a good idea to have a backup plan beforehand.
Maybe society isn't ready for the big baratone, chip on their shoulder, unpassable, angry transsexual to come into the workforce demanding instant acceptance and equality. However, graciousness can go a long way. I don't knock anyone for doing sex work. It's great work for making money quickly which can finance surgery - which can greatly enhance the quality of life for a TS. It can also finance formal education. I don't think you see a lot of people with bachelors degrees pan handling.
Anyway, the discussion is whether TS can have a happy relationship, and I say, of course. However, any sex worker, TS or otherwise are in for a long difficult road if that is a goal.
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11-12-2006 #59
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Originally Posted by Vicki Richter
I say NO: You can not blame a person's look compared to her inner perceptions. It's (and i absolutely
do not try to insult anyone here - keep that in mind) equal claiming that a handicapped person without a hand is not passable,
and if we want our Society to accept such person, then he\she must get an artificial hand that's pretty much alike the "original"
one. I say no. It is the role and duty of Society to take care of all individuals equally, no matter what.
So, you think that pulling down $5-$10k on some "good" weeks doing that funny thing is a well payed business compared to
what is being sold? We people are so different.
.....a long difficult road if that is a goal.....
Are you on that jurney?
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11-12-2006 #60
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Originally Posted by Vicki Richter
I am not knocking sex workers at all. In fact, I'm all for legalization of it...it would end much of the misery, stigma, and sickness related to it.
And while you may hate hearing "society isn't ready", it's not. In fact in your first paragraph above you made very clear what my main point is. Society accepts gay men and women as they are part of the normal machinations of it. Every single person out there knows or works with someone who is gay. On the flip side, not every single person out there knows a transsexual. So, when they go to the porn store, or the internet, or look at escort ads, many times this is their only contact with transsexuals.
So, yeah, society isn't ready to open its doors because their main point of reference for transsexuals is porn and sex work. Now, if it was politicians, activists, scientists, actively creative people that were the transsexuals (and there are many who are these things) people saw all the time, it would go a long way towards making society ready to accept.
Again, not knocking sex work or porn...all for it. But where's the balance? Where?