Trump's war on the "Tranny Cult" promises

[Moister]

It seems like the same politicians saying that minors shouldn't have irreversible surgery are the same ones saying that minors should be forced to give birth

[Stavros]

A good number of other countries have already put the breaks on child sex changes.
-- Which ones?

I think a lot of young teens with mental illness latch on to being Trans because it the current "in" thing. I think this is particularly prevalent in some young females (there seems to be a clustering effect, i.e. one friend becomes Trans so several other girls in the friend group also decide that they are Trans). The is a similar effect with teens and suicide. If one high school teenager kill themself, often times several more pea-brained teens also decide that killing themselves is a good idea. Why don't we work on the teens underlying mental illness prior to mutilating them?

--This paragraph is in need of clarity -is gender anxiety a form of mental illness? If teenagers are contemplating suicide, what is the family context in which this is happening? We don't know and you offer no depth to your argument.

As for maturity, this week two people were shot at when the ball the child was playing with landed in someone else's yard and the owner 'naturally' got out his gun; a cheerleader gets into the wrong car: another gunshot. A young man calling at a house, the wrong house, to get his brother, is shot with a gun.

Give it some thought: mature adults ' have guns, will use guns' vs teenagers with gender anxiety. Which of the two qualifies for the 'lunatic' category?

[filghy2]

Give it some thought: mature adults ' have guns, will use guns' vs teenagers with gender anxiety. Which of the two qualifies for the 'lunatic' category?

You know what his answer will be

This is why we have a 2nd Amendment and concealed carry laws!

[filghy2]

I think mildcigar's post was as notable for what he did not say as for what he said.

What does it say about someone who claims to be trans-sympathetic when they express no concern about people claiming that transsexuality is essentially a left-wing plot to undermine the heterosexual family? What does it say when they are unwilling to criticise someone who says that the government should recognise only peoples' birth gender?

It's an interesting study in cognitive dissonance.

[mildcigar_2001]

I think mildcigar's post was as notable for what he did not say as for what he said.

What does it say about someone who claims to be trans-sympathetic when they express no concern about people claiming that transsexuality is essentially a left-wing plot to undermine the heterosexual family? What does it say when they are unwilling to criticise someone who says that the government should recognise only peoples' birth gender?

It's an interesting study in cognitive dissonance.

I suppose that there are all sorts of nuts (right and left) claiming all sorts of things which I don't take the time or trouble to condemn.

I personally don't believe that transexuality in general is a plot to bring down the nuclear family.

However when activists are pushing "progressive" sex education in kindergarten, it makes me wonder what their ultimate goal is with this type of indoctrination. It smacks of "grooming" to me.

American schools need to focus on the 3 Rs ("reading, 'riting, and 'rithmetic"), and leave it at that.

[Stavros]

However when activists are pushing "progressive" sex education in kindergarten, it makes me wonder what their ultimate goal is with this type of indoctrination. It smacks of "grooming" to me.

American schools need to focus on the 3 Rs ("reading, 'riting, and 'rithmetic"), and leave it at that.

You need to offer detailed evidence to prove that 'activists' are 'pushing "progressive" sex education in kindergarten'. At what age in the US do children attend sex education classes, is it the same in every State, who draws up the curriculum, who monitors teaching with regard to the materials used as well as the actual teaching, and what do you mean by an 'activist'?

It is crucial because for a long time there has been, in my mind a deliberate conflation of 'description' with 'promotion'.

For some people, notably in the UK Conservatives and 'Evangelicals' Christians, merely talking about Homosexuality in the classroom was equivalent to promoting it. Indeed, when Margaret Thatcher was Prime Minister, her Government introduced a clause, Section 28 in a law governing education provided by Local Authorities that made it illegal to 'promote' Homosexual relations as part of sex education, where only Heterosexual relations could be allowed in the classroom.
Moreover, allegations that Homosexuality was being promoted confused the training materials for teachers with what students actually saw, the most notorious being the pamphlet Jenny Lives with Eric and Martin, being the tale of a small girl living with two gay men. The law was eventually repealed c2000, and attitudes have changed, but as Tony Benn said in the House of Commons at the time-
""... if the sense of the word "promote" can be read across from "describe", every murder play promotes murder, every war play promotes war, every drama involving the eternal triangle promotes adultery...""
Section 28 - Wikipedia

So I am sceptical about the claims that are made about sex education in the US which is why proof is required that 'Pornographic Material' is being shown 'to Kinds' and let's not confuse Renaissance Art and Sculpture with pornography. This may be the means whereby in the US so-called Conservatives and Christian Evangelicals weaponize education as part of a broader campaign against same-sex relations, and the increasingly toxic attitude towards Trans issues in general, and Trans issues with under-18s in particular, but nobody is benefiting from these campaigns.

So please don't just make claims, offer supporting evidence.

[filghy2]

I suppose that there are all sorts of nuts (right and left) claiming all sorts of things which I don't take the time or trouble to condemn.

We are not talking about some extraneous issue here - it was the headline point in the post you responded to.

I don't understand your mental process. Evidently, you want to be perceived as sympathetic to trans, yet you are reluctant to make even modest gestures that would support that. It would hardly take any time and trouble to preface your remarks with something like "I don't agree with the sort of rhetoric Trump is using on trans, but....".

[filghy2]

However when activists are pushing "progressive" sex education in kindergarten, it makes me wonder what their ultimate goal is with this type of indoctrination. It smacks of "grooming" to me.

You mean things like this? Regardless of the merits, describing it as "grooming" seems hysterical.
https://www.npr.org/2022/09/12/11219...l-kindergarten

Also, the hallmark of most of these recent measures is that they extend well beyond the problem that they claim to be addressing. For instance, the "Don't Say Gay" legislation in Florida has been extended to grade 12. It's a classic bait and switch strategy. Start by focussing on some issue that you think will attract most public sympathy, then use it as a wedge to drive a much broader restrictive agenda.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...education-woke

This is another good example. Start by saying drag shows should not be performed for young kids, then use it as a pretext to ban any public drag performance.
https://time.com/6260421/tennessee-l...rag-bills-u-s/

[mildcigar_2001]

I don't see the logic (other than for grooming purposes) for exposing young children to sexualized shows.

To my mind it is creepy for men (who dress up as women and get a sexual thrill from said dressing up) to be performing for young children.

If you want to put on Drag Shows for adults that is fine, but leave the kids out of it.

[Fitzcarraldo]

I don't see the logic (other than for grooming purposes) for exposing young children to sexualized shows.

To my mind it is creepy for men (who dress up as women and get a sexual thrill from said dressing up) to be performing for young children.

If you want to put on Drag Shows for adults that is fine, but leave the kids out of it.

What makes you think the shows are sexualized? They don't do the same shows for kids that they do for adults.