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    Default Re: 2024 USA Election: Wishin' and Hopin'

    Quote Originally Posted by filghy2 View Post
    If Biden announced he wasn't running again alternatives would emerge. I don't think too many thought Bill Clinton or Obama would be two-term Presidents when they announced their candidacies. Do you really think the Democrat Party is in such poor shape that it has no alternative to running an 80 year old with a 38% approval rating?
    The primary process has already begun. There have been no credible challengers. Again, who? If someone wants to step up and lead, where the hell are they?

    Joe Biden is old?! This is the first I've ever heard it mentioned!


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    Default Re: 2024 USA Election: Wishin' and Hopin'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fitzcarraldo View Post
    This message gets hammered over and over in the media, yet no one suggests an alternative. If not Biden, then who?
    Completely agree it sure does,because they calling can't come up with any alternatives. And also the media keeps forgetting The Republican Nominee Donald Trump is old as well.



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    Default Re: 2024 USA Election: Wishin' and Hopin'

    Ron DeSantis cancelled his campaign for president,and bent the knee and his leader Donald Trump's ass by endorsing him.



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    Default Re: 2024 USA Election: Wishin' and Hopin'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fitzcarraldo View Post
    The primary process has already begun. There have been no credible challengers. Again, who? If someone wants to step up and lead, where the hell are they?
    That's a circular argument because credible challengers almost never run against an incumbent. The odds are against them winning and they'll risk splitting the party and losing the general election. This has happened every time an incumbent has faced a serious challenge in recent history (1968, 1976 and 1980).
    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-b...b0800d579d8f64

    I'm not suggesting that someone should have challenged Biden, but that he should have recognised the realities of his age and bowed out voluntarily last year. The argument that nobody else could beat Trump may have been credible in 2020 but it doesn't seen credible now.



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    Default Re: 2024 USA Election: Wishin' and Hopin'

    Quote Originally Posted by Stavros View Post
    The polls mean little, because they merely reflect some opinion right now.
    Here's a fact for you. No US President with an approval rating as low as Biden's at this stage of the cycle has won reelection since Harry S Truman. Scroll down for the comparative charts.
    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...proval-rating/



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    Default Re: 2024 USA Election: Wishin' and Hopin'

    Quote Originally Posted by filghy2 View Post
    The argument that nobody else could beat Trump may have been credible in 2020 but it doesn't seen credible now.
    Who could beat Trump? Give me a name of a Democrat who could beat Trump in 2024. Not one has stepped up.


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    Default Re: 2024 USA Election: Wishin' and Hopin'

    Quote Originally Posted by filghy2 View Post
    Here's a fact for you. No US President with an approval rating as low as Biden's at this stage of the cycle has won reelection since Harry S Truman. Scroll down for the comparative charts.
    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...proval-rating/
    Yet Truman won, and he wasn't running against someone who had tried to overthrow the government.

    You can find stats to support any angle you wish to take. The 2022 midterms did not go as the polls predicted. They also did not match previous midterms. Biden had a low approval rating then, but Democrats retained control of the Senate and Republicans only just gained a majority in the House.


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    Default Re: 2024 USA Election: Wishin' and Hopin'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fitzcarraldo View Post
    Who could beat Trump? Give me a name of a Democrat who could beat Trump in 2024. Not one has stepped up.
    Joe Biden!


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    Default Re: 2024 USA Election: Wishin' and Hopin'

    More on the numbers

    "GOP senators say there is less enthusiasm for former President Trump among Republican-leaning voters compared to 2016, a drop in voter energy that was apparent when only 15 percent of Iowa’s registered Republicans showed up for Monday’s caucuses"...
    Senate GOP fears drop in Trump enthusiasm, energy (yahoo.com)

    But as the link also argues, voter enthusiasm could be a factor in the turnout -but who does this benefit in the swing states?



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    Default Re: 2024 USA Election: Wishin' and Hopin'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fitzcarraldo View Post
    Who could beat Trump? Give me a name of a Democrat who could beat Trump in 2024. Not one has stepped up.
    The President Of The United States Joe Biden.



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