Charlamagne Tha God rejects activists using ‘transphobic’ label

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Ivy , Germany

[MrFanti]

If you make negative generalisations about some group of people that aren't based on good evidence there is a good chance you are a "-phobe". If you refuse to support your opinion when challenged, and hide behind some bluster about free speech, that just about confirms it.

I think the key point that Luke is making is that free speech does not mean the right not to have your opinions challenged.

What's difference between a negative opinion and an opinion that you disagree with?
Charlamagne believes that parents should have a say so when it comes to their minor children - it this a negative opinion that warrants a "phone" label?


Or has society deteriorated to a "disagree with me and I will label you" level now?

[filghy2]

Charlamagne believes that parents should have a say so when it comes to their minor children - it this a negative opinion that warrants a "phone" label?

Is that really what he believes? The quotes in the article you posted make no mention of parents having a say. They seem to be saying that these treatments should not be available to minors even if their parents and doctors agree.

"Multimedia mogul Charlamagne Tha God rejected the premise that it’s “transphobic” to oppose giving medical treatment to children who identify as the opposite gender, calling it a conversation-stopper."

“There’s certain things minors cannot do because they’re minors. So you don’t think something as big as changing your gender, shouldn’t you wait until you’re at least 18? The fact that people can’t even have a conversation about that without labeling somebody transphobic is very, very, very, very strange to me because it’s not like these people are saying, ‘No, we don’t want anybody transitioning,’ you know. Or ‘being trans is wrong.’ They’re simply saying, ‘Hey, let these minors wait until they’re a certain age.’ That’s very worthy of a conversation,” Charlamagne said."

[filghy2]

I believe kids today definitely have doubts. That’s because topics and everything that use to be for adults is no longer filtered.

If my kid had feelings like that I would be open to sit down for a discussion. I would be open to hear them out. There isn’t anything anyone can do about how you feel. If it changes it will be because you changed it. If it doesn’t change it’s because that’s how you feel.

But to get down to it. Sex operations, changing identities even dressing. Needs to wait till you’re an adult. When you’re grown and taking care of your self you can live your life how you want to live it. There is nothing I can say. I’d support my kid. As for dressing if my son wanted to go to prom in a dress. I’d probably let him and support him. That’s just because he’s up in age and he’s almost an adult. But we aren’t calling you a different name or anything of the sort. You want change all that wait till your adult and go change it.

Okay, but what about parents who have a different view? Do you believe these decisions should be left to parents, in consultation with doctors, or should the state override them? Do you believe schools should be banned from any discussion of the issues?

[filghy2]

Or has society deteriorated to a "disagree with me and I will label you" level now?

I could equally ask whether society has deteriorated to a "disagree with me and you are suppressing my right to an opinion" level.

It puzzles me when someone complains about not being able to express certain views when I'm obviously reading about those views. This Charlamagne guy has a media platform for any views he cares to express, and he's hardly going to be deterred by some people labelling him.

Complaints about 'cancel culture' are a massive beat-up. There have always been social and economic pressures against expressing views that mainstream society did not like. What has changed is views on what is socially acceptable. This used to be determined mostly by white, christian, heterosexual men, but now they have to take account of others. I think that's what most of these people are really angry about.

[MrFanti]

I could equally ask whether society has deteriorated to a "disagree with me and you are suppressing my right to an opinion" level.

EXACTLY what else Charlamagne was saying!
Now you're getting it!

[filghy2]

EXACTLY what else Charlamagne was saying!
Now you're getting it!

I take it then that you and Charlamagne are equally concerned about things like this?
https://thehill.com/changing-america...opponents-are/

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis’s (R) longtime press secretary Christina Pushaw over the weekend tweeted that she believed educating children about sex leaves them vulnerable to abuse and likened opponents to the so-called Don’t Say Gay bill moving through the state legislature to pedophiles.

“The bill that liberals inaccurately call ‘Don’t Say Gay’ would be more accurately described as an Anti-Grooming Bill,” Pushaw wrote Friday on Twitter.

“If you’re against the Anti-Grooming bill, you are probably a groomer or at least you don’t denounce the grooming of 4-8 year old children,” she wrote in another tweet. “Silence is complicity. This is how it works, Democrats, and I didn’t make the rules.”

[ELDERGOD]

Okay, but what about parents who have a different view? Do you believe these decisions should be left to parents, in consultation with doctors, or should the state override them? Do you believe schools should be banned from any discussion of the issues?

Honestly, I'd love to leave it up to the parents. But that is part of the reason we are in the situation now. I believe that you can have family discussions regarding your kids and how they plan to live their lives. But it should not happen until their adults. Doctors shouldn't have anything to do with it. Schools shouldn't have anything to do with it also. Schools need to focus on education and educating the youth with the truth instead of the bull shit we've been taught.

[MrFanti]

I take it then that you and Charlamagne are equally concerned about things like this?
https://thehill.com/changing-america...opponents-are/

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis’s (R) longtime press secretary Christina Pushaw over the weekend tweeted that she believed educating children about sex leaves them vulnerable to abuse and likened opponents to the so-called Don’t Say Gay bill moving through the state legislature to pedophiles.

“The bill that liberals inaccurately call ‘Don’t Say Gay’ would be more accurately described as an Anti-Grooming Bill,” Pushaw wrote Friday on Twitter.

“If you’re against the Anti-Grooming bill, you are probably a groomer or at least you don’t denounce the grooming of 4-8 year old children,” she wrote in another tweet. “Silence is complicity. This is how it works, Democrats, and I didn’t make the rules.”

Think of it like this.
Most people, regardless of point of view either shut down or get enraged when they are labeled/name called.

The whole point that Charlamagne was trying to establish was simply "can we discuss this like adults without either of us pinning a label on the other?"

[filghy2]

Schools need to focus on education and educating the youth with the truth instead of the bull shit we've been taught.

What are you objecting to specifically? What is your idea of teaching kids the truth in relation to LGBT people?