The Viper Room - NO SCRUBS

[Nick Danger]

You are far too modest

Modesty is for young girls and politicians. I'm doing quite well. Can't seem to buy enough silver now that the Democrats are back in power but I'm trying.

I'm not going to respond to the rest of your diatribe because it's your usual mixture of evasion, distortion and bluster...

Well, thanks for responding to everything else, Flighty. BTW I think that's the Martin Bryant mass shooting you're talking about? Perfect example of a false-flag shooting that disarmed an entire continent.

I have to chuckle at the sheer chutzpah of this piece of circular reasoning. It's a neat trick. Even though you've offered no concrete proof (and none has been forthcoming in the defamation suits), nor any plausible explanation for how it could have been done without anyone in the community noticing anything, you simply assert is was a hoax and demand others prove it was not. Yet you refuse to except any evidence from government or the media because they are part of the hoax. You also claim the local people can't be trusted because they've either been bribed, intimidated or hoodwinked. I guess that means you can never be wrong.

Eh, I'm pretty sure I made my argument, Flighty. But I'll summarize a few key points of it for you again, I think you'll enjoy the itemization.

EVIDENCE THE SANDY HOOK MASSACRE WAS ACTUALLY THE SANDY HOOK NOTHING:

1. The parents, emotionless automatons immediately bringing gun control into the post-massacre conversation. Have you ever seen a REAL mass shooting, Flighty? I mean, just the video. Columbine is a good example of one that actually happened, and there's plenty of real on-the-scene video of that. People are crying, Flighty. People are SCREAMING. Parents are being held back from rushing into the school. Brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, cousins, best friends, are ripping their clothes, gnashing their teeth, and are absolutely and utterly inconsolable.

Now, maybe it's because the families of the victims at Columbine didn't have the prospect of becoming stinking rich on the horizon, but not so much grief at Sandy Hook. Not a single tear. An overriding sense of serene acceptance from the parents. Calm, composed, and ready to talk to the media about gun control within hours of losing their children

Sorry, Flighty. Ludicrous.

2. The kid couldn't do the shooting. Not a single survivor, Flighty. Everyone the non-existent Adam Lanza shot died. Not even a close call, not one single person barely holding onto life, needing medical attention, needing to be rushed to a hospital. Not one.

If this country could have fielded a single battalion of "Adam Lanzas" in Vietnam, we'd have won that goddamn war. Incredible really. No, incredible is not the word. The word is "unbelievable."

3. The immediate cover-up. They didn't wait even two days to begin the process of introducing legislation that would complete this devil's bargain - cutting the public off from every piece of information relating to the event. Why? The children's privacy? They're dead, they have no privacy, they are ex-children, statistics. They have no need of privacy, but the public does have need of information relating to this shooting in order to find out if a bunch of gun-control fanatics just pulled the wool over our eyes or not. Outrageous.

4. The video evidence of...a LOT of inconsistencies in the official story. According to the video, there was no evacuation of the school. According to the video, no medical personnel ever entered the building. According to the video, the police were chasing some unknown suspects in the woods near the school - people whose names and reason for being there we still don't know. According to the video, people were walking in circles into and out of the firehouse, constantly, for hours, for...unknown reasons. Gene Rosen is caught on video rehearsing his lines. Robbie Parker is caught on video making jokes with reporters before stepping up to the podium, consciously changing his facial expression to that of a guy who might have just lost his favorite beer huggie, quick try for tears, no luck because second-rate actor, so right into talking about daughter murdered yesterday. None of it makes a bit of sense.

5. The money. LOTS of money. From the government - since when does the government pay victims of crime? Truly unprecedented.

A lot of people have uncovered a lot more evidence that the thing was a hoax but I really don't even need it. I don't care for arguments like the one Stavros was trying to start about "The Two Veroniques." I'm quite content to concede those points and call it a hoax based strictly on the 5 items I've listed above. If you care to dispute any of those directly, feel free, Flighty.

You may have missed it, but Alex Jones admitted in a sworn deposition to the court that the hoax claim was false, and blamed it on a "form of psychosis". Perhaps you should schedule a few sessions with a psychiatrist, given you seem a little fixated on this 'conspiracy'.
https://www.vox.com/2019/3/31/182892...andy-hook-hoax

LOL - so you don't think he might have said that to save himself millions of dollars in a lawsuit? Ya think he always thought it was a hoax but as soon as a lawsuit was filed he suddenly decided it wasn't? Okay, Flighty. Uh, good point? Frankly, you're the one who seems fixated, I said everything I had to say about this thing many posts ago but you're like that one kid in class who won't stop raising his hand with stupid questions.

[filghy2]

BTW I think that's the Martin Bryant mass shooting you're talking about? Perfect example of a false-flag shooting that disarmed an entire continent.

I only raised it to see whether you would respond with some inane comment like this. Thanks for obliging.

While we're on this theme, what's you view on the Christchurch massacre?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ...sque_shootings

[Nick Danger]

I only raised it to see whether you would respond with some inane comment like this. Thanks for obliging.

While we're on this theme, what's you view on the Christchurch massacre?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ...sque_shootings

My view? Like, was it real or not? Haven't really studied it much. I will say that if it was a false flag, which I know some people say it was but I'm not educated enough about it to have an opinion, at least they went to the trouble of shooting some people. There were bodies, horrific injuries, survivors, medical crews on the scene, people being life-flighted to hospitals - just like you'd expect at the scene of an (actual) mass shooting.

[broncofan]

Modesty is for young girls and politicians. I'm doing quite well. Can't seem to buy enough silver now that the Democrats are back in power but I'm trying.

If you would like to join Mar a Lago, it's a 200,000 dollars initiation fee and 14,000 dollars a year. I think there's also a 2000 dollar a year food requirement. I'm not sure whether you need sponsors but if you tell them you're a mechanic from St. George Utah it should be fine. Mr. Trump would be happy to have you there.

I'm not sure if it's an equity membership or whether you're just flushing the money down the toilet to play golf with a bunch of crooks but it says on their website you get reciprocal benefits at a bunch of Trump properties that need refinancing. Maybe you can lend to them also I don't know. Glad things are going well.

https://www.maralagoclub.com/membership-opportunities

[filghy2]

Mr. Trump would be happy to have you there.

Would you have to play golf with him?
https://golf.com/lifestyle/celebriti...g-tiger-woods/

[Nick Danger]

If you would like to join Mar a Lago, it's a 200,000 dollars initiation fee and 14,000 dollars a year. I think there's also a 2000 dollar a year food requirement. I'm not sure whether you need sponsors but if you tell them you're a mechanic from St. George Utah it should be fine. Mr. Trump would be happy to have you there.

I'm not sure if it's an equity membership or whether you're just flushing the money down the toilet to play golf with a bunch of crooks but it says on their website you get reciprocal benefits at a bunch of Trump properties that need refinancing. Maybe you can lend to them also I don't know. Glad things are going well.

https://www.maralagoclub.com/membership-opportunities

Would you have to play golf with him?
https://golf.com/lifestyle/celebriti...g-tiger-woods/

I can visualize it. Me, The Donald, Rudy G, maybe Tom Brady to round out the foursome and Don Jr. driving the cart, playing skins for 50 large a hole. 10/10 supermodels in floss bikinis serving us margaritas mixed with the blood of infants while the U.S. Naval Academy Choir follows us around the course singing black gospel standards.

The Donald: "This is the life, eh gents?"
Rudy G: "Aliens. In my butthole. And not the friendly kind."
Tom Brady: "Fuck this, I'm going to Disneyland."
Me: "Keep 'em comin', doll-face, but more infant blood next time."

[filghy2]

I always thought you'd modelled yourself on this character, though I guess whale skin hubcaps and chucking styrofoam containers out the window are far too mild by today's asshole standards.

[broncofan]

Nick, I actually appreciate that you will argue the right-wing point of view, with the exception of the stuff I consider conspiracism. While I can't stomach the Sandy Hook stuff, I'm happy to talk Trump's loans and other stuff here.

I know a bit about business and know some people in commercial real estate. I guess I am a bit reluctant to share too much. You're right that people threaten bankruptcy to get better loan terms. They present the best aspects of their personal finances to get loans and for tax purposes present a softer picture.

I am a lawyer and although you said everyone hates us some people like me. While tax accounting is different from financial accounting there are limits to what people can do when representing income to investors.

All of this is to say, I would know a lot more if I saw Trump's disclosures to Deutsche Bank. You think it will be consistent with playing the game or on the edge of legality. I'm not sure but by the time anything comes of it we'll get a sense of whether it is normal industry practice or fraud.

[broncofan]

I said solvency but you're saying liquidity is more important. That's fine. I have a feeling Trump's casinos were facing insolvency and not a liquidity crisis but I don't know.

There's a difference between negotiating a bank loan for real estate and people buying business inputs or even inventory. If they are buying something that's a staple of their business the relationship is ongoing and those goods are often bought on credit anyway. But that is a relationship where there's give and take. Trump is in the commercial real estate business so I imagine he has a closer relationship with banks than the average person.

BUT when banks lend money to people it's not supposed to be a super risky investment. They get near certainty of payment but a capped upside. That's the nature of debt. I doubt the re-negotiation was only over the timing of Trump's payments. It may have been in the nature of "you can either accept smaller payments or you have to run these casinos that are losing money and since you're not in the business of running casinos....."

All of this is to say, maybe he lied to get his more recent loans or maybe he got money from a shady source or some kind of shady transaction generally.

[broncofan]

I said solvency but you're saying liquidity is more important. That's fine. I have a feeling Trump's casinos were facing insolvency and not a liquidity crisis but I don't know.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-c...were-very-real

"They show that, between 1985 and 1989, a period when the economy was forging ahead and Trump was busy portraying himself as a billionaire with the Midas touch, his core businesses—apartment buildings, hotels, and casinos—somehow managed to lose $359.1 million. That was only the beginning. As the economy weakened, in 1990 and 1991, Trump’s core businesses racked up losses of $517.5 million. And, between 1992 and 1994, as the economy recovered, they lost another $286.9 million."