A Question of Sport - and Trans Athletes

[Torris]

Kiwi Bloke

I understand the reasoning behind the law change, but jeez, was it ever a terribly (or not at all!) thought-out piece of legislation.
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There was no legislation, Biden issued a ruling by executive order

Montana has set forth legislation to stop implementation. Other states are looking to disallow change of gender on official documents like Drivers Licenses and birth certificates

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/...xecutive-order

From the article, if this continues it will de disastrous for the trans community

South Dakota House Bill 1076 would require that citizens' birth certificates reflect their biological sex, and may not be changed as the result of a gender transition surgery. The House was scheduled to vote on this bill on January 26.

[Torris]

Kiwi Bloke

Already has, and the outcome seems to be that women who are standing up and saying it's unfair are immediately labelled as transphobes or TERFs.
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Here is a dirty little secret: many feminists are cool to hostile to the Trans community bc they (anti trans feminists) will never see men who have transitioned to women as being anything other than biological men.

Some Feminists are still angry at the trans community for insisting the feminine hygiene company take the feminine symbol off of their Always maxi pads

[MrFanti]

That's pretty cool. Still, not the highest level of competition. But I'd like to see it.

Here's a FTM wrestling winner!
https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-...-title-n851106

[Trapt53]

Here's a FTM wrestling winner!
https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-...-title-n851106

He won the girls title; because, Texas law required him to compete as his birth gender. He's equivalent to a woman on steroids competing against women not on steroids. He wanted to compete with the boys.

[Stavros]

South Dakota House Bill 1076 would require that citizens' birth certificates reflect their biological sex, and may not be changed as the result of a gender transition surgery. The House was scheduled to vote on this bill on January 26.

But, as available statistics show that approx 1-2 in 100 children in the US are born Intersexed, and for that reason at birth cannot be classed as either biological males or females, but may then, with parental consent, have their gender changed so that they they are raised as boys or girls, the proposal in South Dakota attempts to change reality, rather than enforce it, setting aside the question -how soon after birth is a certificate issued?

There is no biology here, this is politics invading personal space to reject an individual's right to define themsellves and insist the State Government knows best -and this from people who most often resist the State making decisions about people's lives, eg with regard to gun ownership, free speech and so forth.

As I have suggested before, this creates major problems in sports where the demarcation between 'Male' and 'Female' shapes the activities at most levels for amateurs as well as professionals, though men and women compete with each other in mixed doubles in Tennis and Badminton and the Archdeacons of Biology don't object, though I am sure in some States 'Evangeliical Christians' do think it is wrong. But they probably think it is wrong to play sports on a Sunday, just as someone from Mississippi claims God will be offended if people vote on a Sunday. South Dakota sounds more like the USSR every time I read something about it and its idiot Governor. But it can't be all bad.

[filghy2]

Transgender weightlifter Lisa Hubbard competed for New Zealand in the Olympics but was eliminated from her event without completing a lift. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-...tion/100344174

It is possible that her performance was affected by the pressure of media interest, but this does suggest that the fear that transgenders will dominate if allowed to compete in women's sports is grossly exaggerated. Weightlifting would appear to be one of the sports in which the strength advantages of being born male would be more likely to apply.

She was allowed to compete under guidelines relating to allowable testosterone levels, so it does seem possible to come up with a reasonable solution to the dilemma that balances the rights of both trans and genetic females.

[Stavros]

She was allowed to compete under guidelines relating to allowable testosterone levels, so it does seem possible to come up with a reasonable solution to the dilemma that balances the rights of both trans and genetic females.

This article with reference to two athletes from Namibia -Christine Mboma, and Beatrice Masilingi- helps explain the dilemma that has been created by the IOC -a conflict between biology and sports politics-

"In June Masilingi and Christine Mboma were barred by World Athletics from running in the 400m, their chosen event at these Games. In Tokyo they have already faced questions about whether they should be running at all, and indeed (again, [aged 18 ] whether they should be classing themselves as women at all.This stems from something with which both Masilingi and Mboma were born. Naturally occurring raised testosterone levels mean both have been classified as DSD, or athletes with Differences of Sexual Development, and placed – to their surprise – in a strange, indeterminate category of sporting womanhood.

The issue here is the definition of womanhood, as decreed by a narrow band of sporting administrators. Mboma and Masilingi are women. The raised testosterone levels, often a result of internal sexual characteristics, is simply a part of who they are. This state is far from unheard of. It is not an attempt to cheat, or a cancellation of biological sex, or anything other than, in pure sporting terms, a naturally occurring advantage, albeit one that is deemed unwomanly to an unacceptable degree, unfairly undainty by Sebastian Coe, the head of World Athletics, and his teams of experts.
There are pressing questions here about the way this kind of issue has played out in the past: the toxic spectacle of administrators, unsympathetic media and – of course – men on the internet arguing so publicly and with such certainty over the bodies of these young women."

Full article here-
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...omplex-cruelty

[holzz]

the NZ girl issue was hilariously ironic. all the angst and shade from the transphobes was for NOTHING.

[Stavros]

the NZ girl issue was hilariously ironic. all the angst and shade from the transphobes was for NOTHING.

I agree with you, but is it not the case that most of this manufatured angst is much ado about nothing? There will be successees and failures, but for the most part, as long as the rules apply, what's the problem -other than the rules? (!).

[steviedresses]

The LBGT community is dead wrong on this issue... and I personally am a huge supporter of Trans rights. The simple fact is men are bigger, stronger, and faster than women and no amount of HRT and surgery will change that fact. The community is going to do itself grave harm by it's instance that trans women be allowed to compete with cis women.

I ran track in High school. Sub 12 minute 2 mile. Made me a decent JV runner, crappy varsity runner. If HRT slowed me down 10% I'm still winning every meet I entered and I am competing at the state level.

Go check track times for running, distances for throwing, and heights and lengths for jumping.

Here's a couple of qualifying times for the Texas 1A state track meet:

Fastest Girl 12 minutes 7 seconds
Slowest 12 minutes 43 seconds

Fastest boy 9 minutes 24 seconds
slowest boy 10 minutes 56 seconds

uhh...