Brexit: A New Era for the UK?

[Laphroaig]

LOL, we've established I'm right on FoM. It really isn't restricted.

if freedom of movement isn't restricted, why are the UK government announcing extra visa's for EU HGV drivers, butchers, etc?

[obslam]

if freedom of movement isn't restricted, why are the UK government announcing extra visa's for EU HGV drivers, butchers, etc?

He was talking about UK citizens freedoms supposedly being restricted in going to the EU.

You are talking about the opposite.

[Laphroaig]

He was talking about UK citizens freedoms supposedly being restricted in going to the EU.

You are talking about the opposite.

Doesn't answer the question.

[Stavros]

One wonders what the word Freedom means. The whole point about the Free Movement of People in the Single Market was that there would be no conditions attached within the law, so the end of free movement through the exit from the EU removes that right -ie, that freedom- from UK citizens. It doesn't mean UK citizens cannot work in the EU, but it does remove the automatic right conferred by membership and the legal requirements under EU law. Now we have the UK Government allowing -begging?- EU citizens to work in the UK but without a reciprocal right of UK citizens to work in the EU.

Newly imposed restrictions also apply to those who have retired and want to live in Spainn-

"Brits or other Non-EU citizens wishing to retire to Spain will generally need to apply for a Golden Visa or a Non-Lucrative Visa if they wish to stay long term in Spain. This places more onerous requirements on those wishing to settle in Spain, particularly in terms of financial resources to demonstrate you will be able to support yourself. A single applicant for a Non-Lucrative Visa will need to demonstrate at least €27.115.20 through their account per annum ( €33,894 a year for a couple). The financial requirements for a Golden Visa are lower [?] but it requires a capital outlay of €500,000 on property. It is still possible that special arrangements will be agreed for Brits to enter Spain on more favourable terms but there has not been any indication that this will be the case yet."
https://www.expatnetwork.com/retiring-in-spain/


-which may be why more and more expats are leaving Spain...and not happy about it...
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-...roves-25126419

[obslam]

Doesn't answer the question.

Nobody has claimed there isn't restriction of movement into the UK. Would be a bit silly as that was one of the cornerstones of the Brexit vote.

[Laphroaig]

Nobody has claimed there isn't restriction of movement into the UK. Would be a bit silly as that was one of the cornerstones of the Brexit vote.

Predictable xenophobic English exceptionalism answer.

[Stavros]

"We are going to end 40 years of this bad economic model" - Boris Johnson, quoted on today's BBC Radio 1 programme, The World This Weekend -quoted by an FT journalist who described Johnson as an anti-Thatcherite, Keynesian Prime Minister closer to Harold MacMillan, a man once derided by the Young Conservatives as a 'Socialist' (before the Young Conservatives was shut down for their views even more extreme than Maggie's...)

The 'bad economic model' has been analyses by a critic from the LSE who refers to the model as the difference between Lenin/Thatcher, Khrushchev/Cameron, and Brezhnev/Johnson, though it seems Brexit in operation is Johnson mounting a campaign to end the kind of ossified state economy Brezhnev (mis-)managed in pursuit of a pseudo Scandinavian Dream in all but name, though it did lead Boris to insist 'I am not a Communist!'

What strikes me about this 'new era', is the word 'control' -the core Brexit campaign slogan was 'Take Back Control', but who controls the UK and the UK economy? In the same Radio 1 programme today it was remarked as if it were a mark of success that Brexit Britain is the target of billion dollar investments -by the Sovereign Weath Funds of foreign States -not private capital, entrereprenuers, and certainly not the City of London- so as the LSE critic claims, it does appear that markets have failed, that the State is the lead in economic activity, something that is the opposite of what Margaret Thatcher claimed was both the recipe for success, and the definition of freedom. As in: more State = less freedom.

As Johnson pointed out in a speech in July 2021-
"It is an astonishing fact that 31 years after German unification, the per capita GDP of the North East of our country, Yorkshire, the East Midlands, Wales and Northern Ireland is now lower than in what was formerly East Germany –"
https://www.gov.uk/government/speech...h-15-july-2021

-And who is responsible for that, Mr Johnson?

Some new era this is, so far.

Link to The World This Weekend (begins with a news bulletin)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0010wlh

LSE article-
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandp...rezhnev-years/

[obslam]

Predictable xenophobic English exceptionalism answer.

Predictable numpty, losing remoaner reply.

[Jericho]

It was shit today.
It was shit yesterday
And tomorrow, even our rivers are going to be full of shit...Welcome to Plague Island!

Pick up your Fantasy Brexit tokens at customs, take a spin over the sunlit uplands and if you're religious...Pray you survive Winter!

[Laphroaig]

It was shit today.
It was shit yesterday
And tomorrow, even our rivers are going to be full of shit...Welcome to Plague Island!

Pick up your Fantasy Brexit tokens at customs, take a spin over the sunlit uplands and if you're religious...Pray you survive Winter!

And idiots like Obslam actually voted for and continue to support this shit show.