UK election INCOMING

[holzz]

https://www.businessinsider.com/bori...ninnies-2019-6

You're voting for this guy?

Yes, I will.
rather that than anti-Semites.

[Jericho]

Yes, I will.
rather that than anti-Semites.

Ahem

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9210591.html
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...locaust-tweets

STILL want to play this game, HOLZ?
And where's the report into Islamophobia that was promised...And then shelved?
And while we're on the subject, just what is in that Russia Report?

Labour may have their problems, but at least we're trying to deal with them.

[Jericho]

Linked below, the FT poll of polls, updated on the 23rd November.

The Ft poll of polls is here-
https://www.ft.com/content/263615ca-...b-77216ebe1f17

There's a poll missing from that poll of polls.
The one the BBC didn't hold after the Leaders debate.
Though, given their latest bit of jiggery pokery, editing out the audience openly laughing at Johnson, in the clips they released, why am I not surprised?

[broncofan]

Yes, I will.
rather that than anti-Semites.

I'm Jewish and have followed almost every accusation of anti-Semitism, from those that had merit to those that were a stretch to those that were unfair. I don't speak as an authority on the subject, but I would vote Labour if I had to choose between the two. Anti-semitism is not more immoral than other forms of bigotry, though it sometimes carries more stigma because of its recent history in Europe. The Conservative party has let Islamophobia and xenophobia fester within its ranks and is not free of anti-Semitism either.

If bigotry is your primary concern voting for the Tories is a tough sell. This isn't the full greatest hits for the Conservative party but a Councilor for the Tories named Vera Waters said famine in Africa is "nature's way of depopulation." There's more if you're interested. Surely this isn't a good substitute for things that have been said by Labour Councilors.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...c-social-media

[Stavros]

At every election the stupid things councillors and candidates say are raised for concern, it becomes a news item, and then dies away.
What we need is the very honesty from the top that is not forthcoming. Both Jeremy Corbyn and Boris Johnson refuse utterly to accept that over the next five years every tax that exists must rise, and new taxes be raised, if the party promises are to be kept, if new policies are to be introduced, if existing commitments are maintained because we may be on the brink of a recession when the UK leaves the EU. Many analysts believe we are heading for a re-run of 2008 because household debt and national debt is soaring beyond anyone's control, at some point, money borrowed must be repaid.
The metaphor is there in the Florida Keys: communities under water for three months and nothing has been done about it. Or maybe the residents should just admit that the last place on earth to buy a home is in those Florida Keys that may disappear for ever over the next ten years.
Florida Keys, Brexit, Recession: so absorbed with the lies of 2010-2019 we can't see what's under our feet.

[Stavros]

The Financial Times Poll Tracker which was updated yesterday.
https://www.ft.com/content/263615ca-...b-77216ebe1f17

There is a general assumption that the Conservatives will be the largest party, but speculation on the size of their majority, with the outside possibility of another hung Parliament. There is an outside chance of a Labour wipe-out as happened to Socialists in France, Netherland and Italy, but the Socialists did well in Spain, so it is still just a possibility.
Spectacular results in individual constituencies will be intresting to watch: Boris Johnson has not bothered to campaign in his own constituency, the fate of Conservatives thrown out of the party and standing as Independents will be interesting, notably former Attorney General Dominic Grieve, and those who became Liberal Democrats such as Sarah Wollaston.
The regions most vulnerable to Labour decline are in the Midlands and the North-East, while the Conservatives are now vulnerable in the Remain voting constituencies of the South and South-East, but disaffected Tory voters may abstain rather than vote for another party. Voter turnout in recent General Elections has hovered between 70-73%, a low turnout is likely, and this is assumed to benefit the Conservatives rather than Labour. However, more than 3 million new voters under the age of 30 may also make a difference.

[Jericho]

I do not/can not believe this country will vote for BritainTrump.
And until the last vote is tallied, I'll spit in the eye of pollsters!

[filghy2]

I recently saw a report that said the two major party leaders were the most unpopular pair since they started doing these polls. I really says something about the failure of party politics in the UK that the memberships of both parties have overwhelmingly voted for leaders who have so little support outside of their committed base.

Unfortunately, it is hard to see what might change this. The more that ordinary people turn off politics, the more the parties fall under the grip of committed minorities who don't represent the wider electorate. The first-past-the-post system in the UK seems to make things worse because it perpetuates the duopoly - if you can maintain enough core support you can still win even though the majority of the electorate is opposed to you.

[Jericho]

The more that ordinary people turn off politics, the more the parties fall under the grip of committed minorities who don't represent the wider electorate.

I think those committed minorities represent nobody but themselves. the 1%


Peter Oborne is certainly no friend of Labour, but I found this quite interesting.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...box=1576089179

[filghy2]

I'm not fan of Boris Johnson or his party, but I don't think it's just a problem on one side. Put it this way - given the starting point from the last election result and the complete disarray in the government since then, shouldn't Labour be the overwhelming favourite to win this election? If Labour has been unable to capitalise on this situation, doesn't that point to very serious failings in its leadership? It can't just be due to media bias either, because that was equally present last time.