Sharia Law in the UK

[MrFanti]

I’m shocked the citizens of UK accepted this (the Digital Economy Act 2017) law.

I'm not shocked at all since the UK has also done this: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...-divorce-case/

[Stavros]

I'm not shocked at all since the UK has also done this: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...-divorce-case/

I wonder if you read this part:

The case will have significant implications for women who marry under sharia law but not UK law and could give them the right to divorce their husbands and split the assets related to the union, as well as securing a divorce more easily.

This ruling is a victory for women many of whom have complaind that Shari'a law in the UK is biased against women. There is a similar problem, if in this case in reverse, for Orthodox Jewish women who have been granted a divorce by an English Court that is not recognized by the Beth Din as the husband refuses to grant them their wish to divorce, often out of spite, knowing that their ex-wives cannot re-marry if the Beth Din does not grant the divorce. In both instances, living a religious life is important to the women concerned, and what this case attempts to do is reconcile an 'eccelsiastical' with a secular decision to the benefit of women in particular.

[MrFanti]

I wonder if you read this part:

The case will have significant implications for women who marry under sharia law but not UK law and could give them the right to divorce their husbands and split the assets related to the union, as well as securing a divorce more easily.

This ruling is a victory for women many of whom have complaind that Shari'a law in the UK is biased against women. There is a similar problem, if in this case in reverse, for Orthodox Jewish women who have been granted a divorce by an English Court that is not recognized by the Beth Din as the husband refuses to grant them their wish to divorce, often out of spite, knowing that their ex-wives cannot re-marry if the Beth Din does not grant the divorce. In both instances, living a religious life is important to the women concerned, and what this case attempts to do is reconcile an 'eccelsiastical' with a secular decision to the benefit of women in particular.

Yep I read it.
We'll need to revisit this thread as Sharia expands within the upcoming years in the U.K....

But hey, if you're for Sharia Law and all that comes with it, more power to you!

[broncofan]

Mr. Fanti understood the words Sharia Law but not the rest of the article. Is he upset about women being able to divorce their husbands without appealing to a nearly all male religious council?

Fanti, you're a fool and the absolute champion of not reading the stuff you post. If the court does not recognize the religious union, then the woman has no recourse if religious authorities do not grant her a divorce in cases where she wasn't also married in a civil ceremony. This is not an example of whatever nutjob fantasy you have of Muslims dictating to you how to live your life or which laws apply to you.

[broncofan]

Imagine being such a nutjob hysteric that you oppose a woman's right to petition a civil court for divorce.

Amazing you are worried about this when you've said very little about marijuana overdose. Read this article and tell me this isn't the more pressing concern.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b06fa68880a217

[phantomdriver]

Sharia has NO place in this country...

[filghy2]

There's a fairly obvious question that Mr Fanti and his sympathiser have failed to consider. Does this ruling mean that Sharia law is somehow overriding UK law? In fact, the opposite is the case because a woman married under Sharia law will now be able to obtain a divorce under UK law even if the religious authorities don't approve it.

[filghy2]

But hey, if you're for Sharia Law and all that comes with it, more power to you!

I'm surprised you are not in favour given they don't allow alcohol. Didn't you spend a lot of time telling us that deaths from alcohol abuse were your number one concern?

[broncofan]

There's a fairly obvious question that Mr Fanti and his sympathiser have failed to consider. Does this ruling mean that Sharia law is somehow overriding UK law? In fact, the opposite is the case because a woman married under Sharia law will now be able to obtain a divorce under UK law even if the religious authorities don't approve it.

This is a useful way to put it. The article title says the court recognizes a Sharia marriage, but the practical effect is to provide an avenue for divorce and a splitting of assets for a woman married in a religious ceremony. The court is giving it legal recognition so they have jurisdiction to rule on the terms of its termination.

You'd expect those who complain about misogyny in religion to be pleased that a civil court is providing redress to a woman, unless you assume they are often insincere.

If you are on the Muslim religious council that approves divorces, would you more likely view this as an adoption of your religion by the state or an encroachment? If anything more the latter.

[Stavros]

Yep I read it.
We'll need to revisit this thread as Sharia expands within the upcoming years in the U.K....
But hey, if you're for Sharia Law and all that comes with it, more power to you!

Freedom of religion means that believers are entitled to practice their faith, in the UK and the US, and in some cases it doesn't even require the State to recognise that it is a religion. In one UK Census (the one before last, I think) over 200,000 people in the UK claimed their religion to be 'Jedi' which is not recognised by the law in the UK, but if they choose to call themselves Jedi and gather for worship in Dave's basement in Tring, that is their right.

The serious point as I tried to make in my earlier post, is that for observant Jews and Muslims, it matters to them that legal issues be resolved through their Beth Din or Shari'a Council because their religious belief informs their practical lives on a day to day basis. If there are have been controversies that concern the status of women and the decisions made by religious courts, it is because Beth Din and Shari'a Councils for the most part are concerned with family law involving marriage and divorce, the custody of children, and probate with regard to the division of property in matters of divorce or death. None of these decisions can overturn decisions made in a Court of Law, but are important to the believers for whom religion is not just a matter of faith, but may also affect their relations with their closest community, which in some case may be a few hundred people in the area where they live.

There is no imminent or long term threat from Judaism or Islam; we will not be banned from driving on the Sabbath Day, we are not going to wake up one day to find we cannot buy or consume whisky or beer or wine. Adulterers will not be stoned to death, thieves will not have their hands chopped off. There are some people who want you to be afraid that this will happen, because it suits their political agenda, which is hostile to the presence of Muslims and Jews in the UK, and indeed, hostile to many other foreigners. We know who they are, we know what their motives are, and that their propaganda is based on prejudice rather than evidence.

The claim made by some that one Muslim family of five will give birth to another 25 families, which will reproduce in kind until Muslims are a majority in the UK is based on simple arithmetic that ignores social reality. The same people pumping out this drivel told Britain in 1900 that so many Jews -Mum, Dad and 10 children- were 'flooding in' from Russia that eventually they would 'take over'. In 1910 you could walk from Aldgate to Bethnal Green and never hear English spoken, but Russian, Polish and Yiddish. Where are they now? Even Bloom's has gone.

Be worried about Brexit, Climate Change and Nuclear War, try and learn to be less anxious about religion in what for the most part is a secular society, though in the US you may want to worry about the campaign to make it a Christian country, where being Chistian is defined mostly by white men with close ties to political organizations with a lot more power and influence than a Shari'a Council.

A fact check on Shari'a law in the UK can be found here-
https://fullfact.org/law/uks-sharia-courts/

A humanist critique here offers some rational arguments, and notes that Eccelesiastical Courts still exist in the UK-
https://humanism.org.uk/campaigns/hu...igious-courts/