He Played Handball For Australia's Men's Team. Now Transgender, He's Dominating Women

[MrFanti]

https://www.dailywire.com/news/39158...-prestigiacomo

Standing at six-foot-two and weighing-in at 220 pounds, male-to-female transgender handballer Hannah Mouncey is dominating at the women's Asian Championships in Japan.

With the recent news of Martina Navratilova this is a touchy topic

[Stavros]

Martina Navratilova says some foolish things, but that is because she is not much of an intellectual and is responding in an emotional way. A close friend who had SRS a while ago takes a pragmatic view of the opportunities that transgendered people have, as in: 'you can't have everything'. She doesn't think pre or post-ops should take part in female beauty pageants, for example. And, while we can agree that there should not be an impediment to transgendered people having access to employment, careers and so forth, competitive contact sports where height, weight and reach may be decisive in success, beg the question if for those reasons a transgendered person has an advantage over the other.

The issue has emerged most controversially twice -the first with the East German women in the 1960s on a diet of testosterone and other drugs that earned them Olympic medals in field sports -a regime which the athletes later conceded damaged them for the rest of their lives; and the case of Caster Semenya whose success in track events led the International Association of Athletics Federations to order her to undertake tests the results of which, not made public but leaked, concluded she was 'intersexed'. I am not sure if this status has been formally verified, and it may not matter, the question is does she have an unfair advantage over other female athletes? She doesn't win every race, and it is hard to know, for example, if she has won races because of her biology or because the other competitors were not that good on the day, or just because she can run faster and would run faster were she male or female.

The difficulty this poses has been traumatic for Semenya, I can't think in recent times of a sportsperson subjected to such intrusive enquiries into their body and biology, but the moral dilemma remains, with regard to competitive advantage, and in this instance I suggest that the only logical solutions are either to ban single sex competition so that males, females and the rest all compete with each other, or that the simple division of Male and Female remain, and transgendered people accept that in some sports, there is no space for them. It might be different in sports like Snooker, Darts, Curling -non contact sports, but I think there are options which can be offered without people getting too upset about it.

[CaptainPlanet]

it would never be fair tbh, someone will always point out the advantage.

[filghy2]

I don't know much about handball. Being taller and stronger is definitely an advantage in Australian rules football, but how much is it in handball?

There's no doubt it's a tricky issue that requires balancing different considerations. I'm not sure it's helpful to make absolutist claims that the only thing that matters is whether a person self-identifies as a female. But it's also not helpful to suggest that men would turn transsexual just to win competitions and then change back later.

[Torris]

https://www.dailywire.com/news/39158...-prestigiacomo


With the recent news of Martina Navratilova this is a touchy topic

Care to elaborate on recent Navratilova controversy?

[filghy2]

See this article for example
https://www.ubitennis.net/2019/02/ma...nder-athletes/

[Torris]

See this article for example
https://www.ubitennis.net/2019/02/ma...nder-athletes/

Thanks for the update

[Murmdrum]

It is a tricky issue but I tend to agree with Martina thats its mostly always going to be an unfair advantage. I am not transphobic and I do not think she is either. But when you are born a male and decide to transition and play against women its not a level playing field.. I seem to recall a M to F fighter who fractured a womans skull even...I dont have the answers for it...just my two cents

[LilyRox]

It is a tricky issue but I tend to agree with Martina thats its mostly always going to be an unfair advantage. I am not transphobic and I do not think she is either. But when you are born a male and decide to transition and play against women its not a level playing field.. I seem to recall a M to F fighter who fractured a womans skull even...I dont have the answers for it...just my two cents

Fallon Fox. I talked about her before on a video, but I deleted it. I agree I don't think anyone on hormones should be in sport competitions. There's advantages that hormones don't reverse for MtF going against females. I don't think FtM's should even be allowed to compete with men out of their own safety. There have been MtF figures in sports before that no one ever talks about because they aren't hurting anyone or winners. People typically only make it an issue if you're winning.

If I remember correctly Fallon Fox is a MtF fighter that trained and competed as a male from like a teenager till she was like 30, then after transitioning for 2 years when she was 32 she competed as woman and would win all the time and hurt females.

[mildcigar_2001]

This is an example of some of the transexual community overplaying their hand, and the patent unfairness of it to genetic women athletes is going to cause a backlash against transexuals in general.

Transexuals should have equal rights, but not abuse the privilege.

I can't even imagine the narcissistic nature of some transexuals who think they are accomplishing something by competing against women in sports where mass and muscle make a large competitive advantage. It would be like me playing tennis against elementary school students and being proud of myself for beating them.

Something similar is going on in some quarters of the black community (which started out seeking "equal rights"), and now agitates for reparations.

If a minority community (transexual, black, etc.) goes too far with its demands, after a while there will be a substantial backlash when society in general now perceives that group as asking for an unfair advantage. When that happens hard won civil rights gains will be lost.