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    Lightbulb Mexico Finally Recognized Its Black Citizens, But Thatís Just The Beginning

    What took them so long?
    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b0c8beacf50f6b
    https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-35981727
    https://www.cnn.com/2012/11/20/opini...ism/index.html

    The issue of racism is not always Black and White & is more complex than most of us think....


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    Default Re: Mexico Finally Recognized Its Black Citizens, But Thatís Just The Beginning

    It;s true that racism is not just a white thing. It's also true that it's always the strong who get to persecute and exploit the weak, and invent rationalizations for doing so. White people happen to have been the ones in the stronger position over the past few centuries.



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    Default Re: Mexico Finally Recognized Its Black Citizens, But Thatís Just The Beginning

    So I guess this is going to be like the drinking and driving vs guns argument. Okay, I'll play along:

    1. Yes racial discrimination is not always a black and white issue. All you have to do is look at how Hispanics view each other to know that. When I was growing up, Puerto Ricans thought they were superior to the other Hispanic groups. Its a shame that they had to find out the hard way that most white people don't feel the same way.

    White skinned Cubans have been known to do better in society than Cubans with darker skin.

    Most Hispanic groups, especially Mexicans, don't like black people. There was a reason why I made a comment in the Immigration thread about feeling like a stranger in a neighborhood you grew up in.

    There is a racial hierarchy among Asians.

    And yes since I know someone is probably going to make a comment about it, black people can be racist too.

    2. Sometimes power and not race is the reason reason for persecution and exploitation of a minority group. Other times its religion. Case in point, the Troubles in Ireland or the Shites vs Sunnis in the Muslim world.

    But having said all that, when it comes to most instances of racism, white people just seem to do it better than anyone else.


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    Default Re: Mexico Finally Recognized Its Black Citizens, But Thatís Just The Beginning

    Quote Originally Posted by filghy2 View Post
    White people happen to have been the ones in the stronger position over the past few centuries.
    I would debate that depends on locale.
    For example after WW-II and into the 1980s at least, many people from SE Asia did not like the Japanese for obvious reasons....


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    Quote Originally Posted by blackchubby38 View Post
    So I guess this is going to be like the drinking and driving vs guns argument.
    You made that assumption - I've said no such thing within this thread.
    And if you read the links that I provided, it has to do with Mexico officially recognizing it's Black populace.....


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    Quote Originally Posted by MrFanti View Post
    The issue of racism is not always Black and White & is more complex than most of us think....
    But who in the Politics & Religion section has ever argued racism was a 'Black & White' problem -other than you?

    And if 'Hispanics' from Cuba think they are 'better' than 'Hispanics' from Honduras, that is not racism anyway, but it might be prejudice. Ever wondered why Texans think they can achieve more than Iowans? Nothing to do with race.


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    Default Re: Mexico Finally Recognized Its Black Citizens, But Thatís Just The Beginning

    Quote Originally Posted by MrFanti View Post
    You made that assumption - I've said no such thing within this thread.
    And if you read the links that I provided, it has to do with Mexico officially recognizing it's Black populace.....
    You've said almost nothing about the subject and it looks like you randomly plucked three articles from a hastily performed google search. One of the articles is from 2012 and was inspired by a trip taken by the author to a delegation intended to strengthen the ties between Mexican Americans and Jewish Americans. The other two are from 2016 and discuss the subject of Mexico recognizing Mexicans of African descent but you said nothing in your initial post about the role that recognizing a minority group has in protecting that group's substantive rights.

    If this issue was important to you why did you not start a thread back in 2016 since you joined up in 2013? Surely you're not trying to use internal problems with racism in Mexico to justify putting little children in cages are you?



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    Quote Originally Posted by broncofan View Post
    You've said almost nothing about the subject
    It's purely an informative post that I'll wager many people didn't know about.
    Anything is pure speculation and assumption by you.

    Information...that's all...information....
    And since I happen to be Black myself, I have an interest in this type of information....


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    More information....as the article states "Where's the recognition"?
    https://timeline.com/mexico-slave-ga...n-b58611fdb6f0


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    Quote Originally Posted by MrFanti View Post
    It's purely an informative post that I'll wager many people didn't know about.
    Anything is pure speculation and assumption by you.

    Information...that's all...information....
    But you must like digging....
    Not really. You have one trick in your bag of tricks. I'll let you in on one trick I know. If you want to have a good conversation you might want to write something informative about the subject to show you digested what you linked. The recognition happened in 2016 and you are just posting about it now immediately after posting some weird and uninformed stuff in the other thread.

    Seems kind of like what Paul Krugman called Trump's "blood libel" where he trots out families who have had family members attacked by illegal immigrants because he hopes he can vilify Mexican people. His and your antics are made worse by the fact that undocumented people have lower crime rates than American citizens. As for the subject of the thread, do you have any of your own words on the subject? Do you think being a recognized minority group is sufficient or necessary for being treated equally under the law? I'm not saying it's not useful or important but it seems you haven't even mined the issue at all.


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