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    Quote Originally Posted by DaphneCruz View Post

    The bulk of the "research" on vaccines and their effectiveness and testing of vaccines is paid for the pharmaceutical companies as they are the ones trying to get their drugs pushed forward. Naturally it will you know how it will turn out.
    and 2. there are studies and papers that do show how vaccines are bad, but it will never be enough until it over powers the tremendous amount of "research" by the pharmaceutical industry that has way more money.
    At the start of the Peer Review you linked there are three components to core main critique. The first concerns the commercial importance of the pharmaceuticals industry and the use it makes of its money to lobby Congress on behalf of its producers, but which is presented as 'institutional corruption'; second that this 'corrupt' lobbying system has resulted in Congress under-funding the FDA to the extent that it cannot properly monitor the activities of 'big pharma', and lastly that the commercial nature of the pharmaceuticals industry has in effect commercialized the role of physicians, and 'undermined their position as independent, trusted advisers to patients' (Institutional Corruption of Pharmaceuticals and the Myth of Safe and Effective Drugs, p7-.

    Much is made throughout the Peer Review of the extent to which the industry generates the product that it sells, that it uses its powers to 'correct' misleading impressions -to protect its business as much as its reputation (this is where it become 'corruption')- and that people suffer as a result.

    But what is also of note is that while the documentation of adverse effects of vaccination are recorded, it is not necessarily the case that vaccination as a procedure is considered 'bad' to you use your term. In the article that begins on p725 (The Truth Behind the Vaccine Cover-Up) what Russell Blaylock is arguing that the fault may lie, not in the vaccinations per se, but the number of vaccinations administered to children within a short space of time, which is in no way claiming that vaccination is 'bad'.

    It has always been the case, and still is, that vaccinations can have adverse effects on the child, but that remedies are also available to treat these cases -the link to the NHS documents below puts it into simple words. However, what is the alternative procedure to prevent a child from contracting Measles and Polio to name just two diseases that have been dealt with effectively by vaccination? Because that is the key point: the fact that Smallpox has been eradicated universally through vaccination; that incidences of Polio have been dramatically reduced though vaccination, but persists where vaccination is either absent due to war or law and order issues, or local opposition.

    Vaccines work, and have save millions of lives. If you want to attack 'Big Pharma' then offer the medical profession an alternative means of inventing, testing and introducing medicines to treat illness. If not, or in addition, do regulate the industry more than it is at the moment, even though a generation of conservative politicians will insist the industry must regulate itself. Then ask why physicians in the US in particular prescribe addictive opioids which are not prescribed in the UK or, say, in Japan -suggesting that there may be a cultural issue in medicine in the US which is not met elsewhere.

    There are some complex social and political issues here, but the basic format is tried and tested, and to deny the success of vaccines is to deny too many people the right to live without illness or even death.

    https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccin...vaccines-work/



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    I got the impression you claimed to have hundreds of peer reviewed articles establishing a connection between vaccines and autism. In the middle of this discussion you post:

    Quote Originally Posted by DaphneCruz View Post
    ...Here's a pdf with hundreds of articles/studies with links etc...

    http://vaccine-injury.info/pdf/vaccinepeerreview.pdf
    True enough the PDF links to hundreds of articles and studies. I’m scrolling down and choosing one at random now. ...Here it is.


    “American Journal Of Public Health • April 1989
    The role of secondary vaccine failures
    in measles outbreaks
    Author information
    Mathias RG1, Meekison WG, Arcand TA, Schechter MT.
    Department of Health Care and Epidemiology
    University of British Columbia, Vancouver
    Abstract
    An outbreak of measles in 1985-86 in a community where measles vac-
    cine trials had been carried out from 1974-76 allowed the assessment of
    the role of secondary vaccine failures in previously immunized children.
    A total of 188 children from the vaccine trial were followed. Of these, 175
    seroconverted initially while 13 (6 per cent) required re-immunization (pri-
    mary failure). A total of 13 cases of measles, eight of which were laboratory
    and/or physician-confirmed, were reported in this cohort. Of these, nine
    cases occurred in the 175 subjects who had hemagglutination inhibition test
    (HI) and neutralizing antibody responses following the initial immuniza-
    tion. These nine cases represent secondary vaccine failures. An additional
    four cases occurred in the 13 subjects with primary vaccine failure. We con-
    clude that secondary vaccine failures occur and that while primary failures
    account for most cases, secondary vaccine failures contribute to the occur-
    rence of measles cases in an epidemic. A booster dose of measles vaccine
    may be necessary to reduce susceptibility to a sufficiently low level to allow
    the goal of measles elimination to be achieved.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2929807

    I can’t help notice that it doesn’t even address the issue of vaccines and autism. In fact the article suggests that some children may need to be re-immunized against measles!
    Hmmmm.


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    The one article in the PDF (linked to above) that promises one-thousand pages of full-length reports linking vaccines to heavy metal toxicities, autism and other alleged risks is the ten year old 2008 Medical Veritas article by Russell L. Blaylock, MD entitled, “The truth behind the vaccine cover-up.” The link given there is https://app.box.com/s/xa75ta0j9jbe05e615gd5xto9ff1mz4a . The Box link has been updated and it now contains twenty reports. Not one-thousand. Not hundreds.

    The first is a four page 2011 report published by vaccinationcouncil.org. Not an organization with an independent view. There are no detailed description of experiments or statistical analysis of data. The author doesn’t address the issue of autism. He does anecdotally suggest vaccines may induce atrophy of the immune system (presumably because the artificially immunized system doesn’t have to work hard enough) and he worries that the genes of the live or dead biological components of a vaccine might jump to the human host and be past on through their progeny. The evidence he cites is genes jumping in corn crops.

    The second is an article by Bernard Rimland, PhD and Woody McGinnis, MD of the Autism Research Institute at San Diego, CA. The article appears in the Laboratory Medicine no.9 vol.22 Sept 2002. It makes a case against those vaccines that contain the preservative Thimerosal. Mercury, and other heavy metal based preservatives are no longer used in vaccines. I think, someone can check on this, that sort of usage is banned by the FDA.

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