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    filghy2 Professional Poster
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    Default Re: Facebook, Cambridge Analytica, Data and Dirty Tricks

    Quote Originally Posted by Paladin View Post
    The only thing that was different from what CA did in 2016 and what bho did in 2012 was that in 2012 facebook actually helped the bho team do it.
    Nice try at 'whataboutism'' but the key difference you are ignoring is that CA obtained their data through deception, whereas the Obama campaign obtained peoples' permission transparently.
    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ob...dge-analytica/
    https://washingtonmonthly.com/2018/0...dge-analytica/


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    Default Re: Facebook, Cambridge Analytica, Data and Dirty Tricks

    Quote Originally Posted by filghy2 View Post
    Nice try at 'whataboutism'' but the key difference you are ignoring is that CA obtained their data through deception, whereas the Obama campaign obtained peoples' permission transparently.
    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ob...dge-analytica/
    https://washingtonmonthly.com/2018/0...dge-analytica/
    That's a load of bs.

    Whatever you put on fb is free game for them to do whatever they want, sell or give to whomever, because you AGREED to it when you signed up. So don't wail about 2016 because the dems did it first in 2012.


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    Default Re: Facebook, Cambridge Analytica, Data and Dirty Tricks

    Quote Originally Posted by Paladin View Post
    That's a load of bs.

    Whatever you put on fb is free game for them to do whatever they want, sell or give to whomever, because you AGREED to it when you signed up. So don't wail about 2016 because the dems did it first in 2012.
    You have ignored the key point which is that the Facebook data was collected through a personality quiz that was posted as an app on Facebook for one purpose, and that the data was collected on the Facebook platform without the company knowing the purpose it would be used for at a later time and another purpose by CA-profiling of voters, the key sentence in the quote below being in BOLD. Most Facebook users did not sign up to the App that was used to harvest information, thus:

    In June 2014, a researcher named Aleksandr Kogan developed a personality-quiz app for Facebook. It was heavily influenced by a similar personality-quiz app made by the Psychometrics Centre, a Cambridge University laboratory where Kogan worked. About 270,000 people installed Kogan’s app on their Facebook account. But as with any Facebook developer at the time, Kogan could access data about those users or their friends. And when Kogan’s app asked for that data, it saved that information into a private database instead of immediately deleting it. Kogan provided that private database, containing information about 50 million Facebook users, to the voter-profiling company Cambridge Analytica. Cambridge Analytica used it to make 30 million “psychographic” profiles about voters.
    https://www.theatlantic.com/technolo...graphs/556046/

    Facebook's dilemma is all about the control of the content on its platform and the data it collects about its account holders, the security of that data, and how far Facebook should go to 'edit' accounts or for that matter delete them, when its whole philosophy is about providing a platform for people to be themselves online 'for free' -as long as they accept the platform is paid for through advertisements.

    I use Yahoo email for free, and the ads don't bother me, as I ignore them.


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    Default Re: Facebook, Cambridge Analytica, Data and Dirty Tricks

    Quote Originally Posted by Paladin View Post
    That's a load of bs.

    Whatever you put on fb is free game for them to do whatever they want, sell or give to whomever, because you AGREED to it when you signed up. So don't wail about 2016 because the dems did it first in 2012.
    Not since May 2018 it isn’t in Europe.

    Suggest you read GDPR, and the statute in each EU country that instantiates it (Data Protection Act 2018 in the UK). They now need your informed consent freely given. ‘Freely given’ means opt-in and it is no longer legal for them to hide any ‘consent’ down under hundreds of pages of Astro-Turf contract. Neither is it legal for them to demand as a condition of use that you consent to anything that is not within the definition of legal processing for your use of the service. E.g they cannot force you to consent to them sharing your data with 200othwr companies in order to use the functions that don’t necessitate them sharing it.

    Looks like google are about to find out that one the hard way over location tracking. I really hope they get whacked really hard.


    Having fun living out all those long supressed fantasies.

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