8 big names speak out of abuse from christian

[whamm]

...Now back to the relevant topic: Christian, his accusers and his defenders. Please.

I can’t help but notice that Christian issued no denial. Just a few words to the effect that if you work with a lot of people some won’t like you.

It would be cool to read a clear cut “I didn’t do that,” or alternatively “Shit! I didn’t realize what I did would be taken that way. I won’t do it again.”

Of course, Christian isn’t accountable to me.

[filghy2]

So the probability that you will acquire the virus after having 1000 unprotected encounters is (1-(9989/10000)^1000). This works out to be a little more than 0.667 ; i.e. there’s a 66.7% chance you’ll be infected.

Aha, so it takes only 630 unprotected encounters for the probability of being infected to rise above 50%. I guess I should have been thinking in terms of geometric averages rather than arithmetic.

[MrFanti]

Great data point....

Those numbers work well for calculating the risk of hiv infection in any random encounter, or cumulatively with multiple random partners. But aren't we really talking about sex with trans people? Among whom the CDC claims 22% are HIV+

https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/gender...der/index.html

Probably the percentage of trans sex workers who are HIV+ is higher than this.

[Michelle Firestone]

This is bullshit. Christian is not an abuser.

I read everything.

A lot of complaining about money/business. If you embark on a career in entertainment, there WILL be disagreements about $$$ and promises, if you don’t like how a person or company does things, don’t work with them. Nobody is forcing you to work with anyone. Condoms/sex acts/whatever. You can always say no and go home. At any time. It’s that simple.

A lot of not saying no and expecting him to read your mind. If anyone crosses any kind of personal line with you, whether it’s sex, drugs, hurt feelings, disrespect, or whatever, if you don’t protest or leave, how are they supposed to know? If you say no, and they keep touching you, then that’s different, but if you don’t communicate, how can they know?

A lot of not liking his attitude. Which if he offends you so much, don’t film, leave. Offending =/= abuse.

Nobody is forcing you to have sex w/Christian. Even if he was the only man making trans porn. You can go make your own porn.

It’s a myth that everyone has problems with Christian. I never had any issues negotiating with him. Even when I didn’t agree to his terms. He was just like, “Ok let me know if you change your mind.” Simple. If you don’t come at him with attitude, he won’t give you any. A lot of girls seem to refuse his offers then insult him, call him arrogant, etc. then expect him to be unphased and be perfectly polite in return. Which I think he does a pretty good job doing actually.

I’ve met him in person a few times as well and I’ve had no issues with him then either. All good times.

[smalltownguy]

This is bullshit. Christian is not an abuser.

I read everything.

A lot of complaining about money/business. If you embark on a career in entertainment, there WILL be disagreements about $$$ and promises, if you don’t like how a person or company does things, don’t work with them. Nobody is forcing you to work with anyone. Condoms/sex acts/whatever. You can always say no and go home. At any time. It’s that simple.

A lot of not saying no and expecting him to read your mind. If anyone crosses any kind of personal line with you, whether it’s sex, drugs, hurt feelings, disrespect, or whatever, if you don’t protest or leave, how are they supposed to know? If you say no, and they keep touching you, then that’s different, but if you don’t communicate, how can they know?

A lot of not liking his attitude. Which if he offends you so much, don’t film, leave. Offending =/= abuse.

Nobody is forcing you to have sex w/Christian. Even if he was the only man making trans porn. You can go make your own porn.

It’s a myth that everyone has problems with Christian. I never had any issues negotiating with him. Even when I didn’t agree to his terms. He was just like, “Ok let me know if you change your mind.” Simple. If you don’t come at him with attitude, he won’t give you any. A lot of girls seem to refuse his offers then insult him, call him arrogant, etc. then expect him to be unphased and be perfectly polite in return. Which I think he does a pretty good job doing actually.

I’ve met him in person a few times as well and I’ve had no issues with him then either. All good times.

cool

[smalltownguy]

This is bullshit. Christian is not an abuser.

I read everything.

A lot of complaining about money/business. If you embark on a career in entertainment, there WILL be disagreements about $$$ and promises, if you don’t like how a person or company does things, don’t work with them. Nobody is forcing you to work with anyone. Condoms/sex acts/whatever. You can always say no and go home. At any time. It’s that simple.

A lot of not saying no and expecting him to read your mind. If anyone crosses any kind of personal line with you, whether it’s sex, drugs, hurt feelings, disrespect, or whatever, if you don’t protest or leave, how are they supposed to know? If you say no, and they keep touching you, then that’s different, but if you don’t communicate, how can they know?

A lot of not liking his attitude. Which if he offends you so much, don’t film, leave. Offending =/= abuse.

Nobody is forcing you to have sex w/Christian. Even if he was the only man making trans porn. You can go make your own porn.

It’s a myth that everyone has problems with Christian. I never had any issues negotiating with him. Even when I didn’t agree to his terms. He was just like, “Ok let me know if you change your mind.” Simple. If you don’t come at him with attitude, he won’t give you any. A lot of girls seem to refuse his offers then insult him, call him arrogant, etc. then expect him to be unphased and be perfectly polite in return. Which I think he does a pretty good job doing actually.

I’ve met him in person a few times as well and I’ve had no issues with him then either. All good times.

very honest ...thanks

[filghy2]

Which would suggest that pretty much only gay men have HIV... Let's see then. if half of the population are men and 4% of them are gay and all the 51 million HIV positive are within that group, then the probability of encountering an HIV positive gay man is 0.367. multiply that my the 0.82% and you get 0.3% That is just too damn close to the 0.27%... Especially that if you instead apply the current population of 7.6billion to that very anti-gay way of calculating the probability, you get exactly 0.27%. Perfect example of homophobic communist propaganda.

Nice try, but why are you using the 51m figure when the link you provided clearly says 36.7m? More importantly, you miss the point that these probabilities are for men having unprotected anal sex, not for all gay men. The risk of someone in the category being infected will obviously be much higher than for the gay population as a whole (the figures imply it is 0.27/0.82=33%).

[fred41]

A lot of not saying no and expecting him to read your mind. If anyone crosses any kind of personal line with you, whether it’s sex, drugs, hurt feelings, disrespect, or whatever, if you don’t protest or leave, how are they supposed to know? If you say no, and they keep touching you, then that’s different, but if you don’t communicate, how can they know?

Except, and I'm not saying anything happened, I don't know...verbal communication works both ways. You're supposed to see if it's okay before you start pawing someone else's body. In the real world, you can't just start pawing someone's body or take your dick out before there's a signal that it's okay. That's how the real world is supposed to work.

[SanDiegoPervySage]

This is bullshit. Christian is not an abuser.

I read everything.

A lot of complaining about money/business. If you embark on a career in entertainment, there WILL be disagreements about $$$ and promises, if you don’t like how a person or company does things, don’t work with them. Nobody is forcing you to work with anyone. Condoms/sex acts/whatever. You can always say no and go home. At any time. It’s that simple.

A lot of not saying no and expecting him to read your mind. If anyone crosses any kind of personal line with you, whether it’s sex, drugs, hurt feelings, disrespect, or whatever, if you don’t protest or leave, how are they supposed to know? If you say no, and they keep touching you, then that’s different, but if you don’t communicate, how can they know?

A lot of not liking his attitude. Which if he offends you so much, don’t film, leave. Offending =/= abuse.

Nobody is forcing you to have sex w/Christian. Even if he was the only man making trans porn. You can go make your own porn.

It’s a myth that everyone has problems with Christian. I never had any issues negotiating with him. Even when I didn’t agree to his terms. He was just like, “Ok let me know if you change your mind.” Simple. If you don’t come at him with attitude, he won’t give you any. A lot of girls seem to refuse his offers then insult him, call him arrogant, etc. then expect him to be unphased and be perfectly polite in return. Which I think he does a pretty good job doing actually.

I’ve met him in person a few times as well and I’ve had no issues with him then either. All good times.

Verbal and non verbal cues given. Lets not act like body language is no longer taken into consideration.


"I'd prefer not to mention everything he did, but one thing that angered me quite a bit was the choking. The universal sign to ease up on choking is a tap, I tapped Christian several times and he didn't stop choking me."-Oriana Frost

"We got into his car and he immediately tried kissing me, french kissing me. I pulled away and he took me to my hotel (that I had to pay for)."-Oriana Frost

"There, after a god damn ten hour flight that should have been 5 hours max, he explained that he needed to film a "teaser" for the videos. I declined because I looked and felt like hell. He kept persisting and I relented, at no time was I told that this "teaser" would be sold, he described in such a way that it seemed very much like a trailer for the scenes."-Oriana Frost

"During this wait Christian approached me again, grabbed me by the waist and tried making out with me. I pushed away and told him that I wasn't interested in doing anything I wasn't hired for, and that I would wait for Damien. Christian said, "It wouldn't kill you to be affectionate." To which I replied, "I will be when we start filming." Christian walked away and was distant and sulky for the majority of the day."-Oriana Frost

[Post Op Preferred]

HA has an abundance of number crunching talent in Red Vex, Kelli Blu and Trish. So here's another crunch, with input from CXXX requested. We have 8 complaints. CXXX, how many different talents have appeared on your T-ecosystem inception to date. If any others want to voice complaints, let them speak or forever hold their peace. Let Grooby Steven weigh in on whether CXXX's complaints ratio is out of line with industry standards. If he is, I suspect he'll figure out a solution, being the savvy marketer that he is. And let's stop vilifying industry participants for speaking on this. Sex harassment complaints in porn are a new frontier. Mistakes will be made, and hopefully will be rectified, not punished.