Could the end of Net Neutrality end your access to Hung Angels?

[flabbybody]

net neutrality is internet communism

Absolutely correct. Net neutrality is akin to the government telling a supermarket that it's not allowed to arrange store displays in a way that make certain items more prominent, thereby more likely to be purchased.
Net neutrality will in no way impact accessibility to sites like HA, or any other web destinations for typical consumers.
An internet provider like Verizon might tweek the speed of one search engine versus another from time to time to maximize service efficiency, and yes, to direct customers to its own proprietary platform. But isn't that the right of any business in our free enterprise system?

[broncofan]

Absolutely correct. Net neutrality is akin to the government telling a supermarket that it's not allowed to arrange store displays in a way that make certain items more prominent, thereby more likely to be purchased.

I know very little about this issue, but I'm not sure I see the analogy. Items in a store are owned by the store, and therefore the store can arrange them to ensure access to those that are most popular.

But internet service providers are only providing access to websites, so isn't it more like roads on the way to the store?

This doesn't necessarily hurt your point though...the question to me is if the speed will be determined by the popularity of the site or whether the popularity of the site will be determined by the accessibility. Isn't it possible for such a system to choose winners and losers?

[broncofan]

Isn't it possible for such a system to choose winners and losers?

It may not be obvious that this isn't what the system should do, but doesn't net neutrality ensure that people choose what they like and aren't directed top down from an isp? To me that seems much more like a market system than an isp deciding in advance what sites should be easy to access and which ones shouldn't be.

[Ben in LA]

This image shows why net neutrality is.


These two images illustrate what can happen if we don’t have net neutrality. It’s like cable television packages.


Then again, that’s capitalism.

[legault]

This image shows why net neutrality is.


These two images illustrate what can happen if we don’t have net neutrality. It’s like cable television packages.


Then again, that’s capitalism.

We havent had real capitalism in over 100 years

[nitron]

Would switching to DuckDuck make a differance? Anyone...

[smalltownguy]

What is net neutrality... in other words considering all data in the Internet at same and would not be charged differently what I want to know is how this can bring end your access to Hung angels

[gaysian71]

C'mon guys. Does anyone really think anything will stop porn? I've been downloading shit since the eighties. Although it did take about 5 to 10 minutes to download one picture back then. But the point is, stopping porn is like stopping drugs. It ain't gonna happen.

[Stavros]

Absolutely correct. Net neutrality is akin to the government telling a supermarket that it's not allowed to arrange store displays in a way that make certain items more prominent, thereby more likely to be purchased.
Net neutrality will in no way impact accessibility to sites like HA, or any other web destinations for typical consumers.
An internet provider like Verizon might tweek the speed of one search engine versus another from time to time to maximize service efficiency, and yes, to direct customers to its own proprietary platform. But isn't that the right of any business in our free enterprise system?

-I am surprised that you defend something you call 'free enterprise' when the development of the internet in the USA and its current state runs counter to the very concept. To begin with, while there are thousands of ISPs in the US, most are small, local and offer limited services, while the majority comprise large companies like Comcast and Verizon that bought or merged with smaller ISPs particularly after the dot.com bubble burst in the 1990s. These major firms have access to US homes courtesy of the existing rail and telecommunications infrastructure, meaning that these giant corporations did not spend vasts amounts of capital to create internet links from scratch but paid railroad companies a fee to use existing infrastructure running alongside the tracks saving a fortune in 'right of way' fees were they digging up earth on privately owned land.
https://qz.com/790210/tracing-the-by...icas-internet/

-Again, a survey of internet customers in 2015 using census data reveals that while there have been improvements since 2013 -The latest Federal Communications Commission statistics show that Americans still have little choice of high-speed broadband providers- this runs counter to the whole notion of a free enterprise economy. The reality is that the companies are in charge, you as a consumer have little choice, and no control over the quality of service you pay for. One of the causes of the Net Neutrality rules in the first place came about because of a conflict between Verizon and Comcast over who should bear the costs of the increased bandwidth needed to access Netflix, and the case of Cogent Communications who, in another dispute simply shut down its internet service. In both cases, what the customer wanted was irrelevant.
https://arstechnica.com/information-...higher-speeds/

-The issue here is the need of ISPs to make money out of you. Ending net neutrality is intended to lock everything other than government and the emergency services behind a pay wall. Rupert Murdoch for years has fumed at the existence of free content on the web believing everything must be paid for, and not just once but even after you get into the website, and there is no doubt Murdoch is one of the keenest enthusiasts for internet firewalls. The graphs provided by Ben in LA are perfect illustrations of this.

-The key point is this: would you pay to access Hung Angels? Steve might not want to charge a fee to unlock a firewall, but is there anything once net neutrality goes, to prevent Verizon or Comcast insisting that you pay an extra monthly charge of $10 to visit your most popular websites? And, how does this affect individuals who run web sites or blogs that are either free for anyone to access, or in the case of many 'internet performers' we know on Hung Angels, charge a small monthly fee? It appears that in addition to their fee, you may have to pay extra to the ISP to access that site. I can't see many people paying to access Hung Angels, and some who currently pay a fee to performers' websites may choose to not to, reducing the revenue so much it becomes commercially a waste of time.

-Bear in mind that having refused to fill over 100 posts in the justice system when Obama was President, the Republican Party is now approving white, conservative and often unqualified men to be guardians of your justice system. One -Brett Talley (Alabama)- only qualified as a lawyer three years ago, has never tried a case, and has blogged in favour of the Ku Klux Klan. Thomas Farr in South Carolina is aggressive in his determination to Stop Black People Voting.

Another, Jeff Mateer (Texas) is not ashamed to air his prejudices: “Guess what? I attend a conservative Baptist church. We discriminate, all right. On the basis of sexual orientation, we discriminate,” adding at another time that same-sex marriage is unconstitutional, that marriage equality is a “challenge” for Christians, and that transgender children are part of Satan's plan'
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...s-donald-trump
https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/...f-mateer-lgbtq

-When the time comes to use the law to either shut down internet porn, or price it beyond the reach of most consumers by forcing ISPs to levy an additional fee, the Conservatives will use their presence across the US justice system to bring the US in line with the morals of sub-Saharan Africa and Russia, crushing free speech much as the President wants to crush all and any news outlet that criticizes him.

This is not about free markets at all, it is the Conservative dream of a USA beholden unto God and his laws, and his chosen one in the White House. All you are required to do, is to be obedient and pay for everything you want to see.

[smalltownguy]

C'mon guys. Does anyone really think anything will stop porn? I've been downloading shit since the eighties. Although it did take about 5 to 10 minutes to download one picture back then. But the point is, stopping porn is like stopping drugs. It ain't gonna happen.

Yes guys it ain't gonna happen .This is a waste of time and money enjoy life and remember porn is a drug