Friends in Las Vegas, please check in.

[Ts RedVeX]

Would you verify that it is rubbish then for us, please?

[Stavros]

Would you verify that it is rubbish then for us, please?

When I offered a riposte to your cynical post dismissing HA as a conduit for anyone caught up in the dreadful events in Las Vegas, it was intended to suggest you might want to show more empathy and solidarity for them. I did not intend it to become a vehicle for your bizarre re-interpretation of history. In fact, before you were born, I was outside the Polish Embassy on Portland Place on that Sunday morning, December 13 1981, to protest against Jaruzelski's declaration of Martial Law, standing next to a Polish comrade from the Labour Party and others from other parties and none, and a week or so later marched in London to support Solidarity. It means nothing to you or the ghosts of Gdynia, but it meant something to me. A year after it was formed in 1980, Solidarity could boast a membership of 10 million, compare that to the current membership of the Labour Party of Great Britain, c517,000 and the largest in Europe.

10 million people broke the mould of Polish politics, they broke the back of the Polish United Workers Party and paved the way for the free society in which you once lived. That the governments of a free Poland have made peace with former Communists and not shut them out of politics is part of the process of healing. You are, of course, free to support Kaczyński, but please acknowledge that Solidarity -without whom he would not be in politics- has made it possible. Kaczyński is hostile to the European Union, perhaps you are too. But without Solidarity and the EU you would not be free to live and work in the UK, free to pay taxes and enjoy the benefits they provide, such as the right to vote in local elections, and, unlike in Poland, the right to marry anyone you want. I welcome you to the UK because I welcome everyone, is Poland so welcoming under Kaczyński?

Solidarity means something, it meant something in Poland, just as it means something today when we stand with the people who went to a three-day long, Route 91 Harvest festival of country music to enjoy themselves and not fall victim to the lunacy of gun violence.

[BeardedOne]

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[BeardedOne]

Yet Kylie, who lived up the road from me and Lisa, who I had a very close relationship with, are not people I should care about?

Anyone ever tell you what a complete shitdrizzle of a 'human being' you are?

Fuckwad.

I'm worried about my friends and people I care about. You, clearly, care about no one.

NO! Luckily most people aren't communist enough to be whoring out attention from events like this by pretending how much they care about folks who they have never, most likely never will, or never would have met in their lives. If you know and care about one, you can surely call or visit them yourself.

[jdlo56]

its just so sad to hear about this senseless loss of life due to gun violence.....this country needed sensible gun control NOW

[Ts RedVeX]

1. You wrote "Solidarity" rather than solidarity, so no, you were indeed referring to the party rather than solidarity or empathy. I do feel sorry for the people who got injured or slaughtered in the massacre. They believed the communist propaganda that discouraged them from exercising their constitutional right of bearing a gun and even being able to try and defend themselves.

2. Originally, Solidarity, was called PPS (Partia Pracownicza Solidarnosc) and itwas indeed a communist labour party of comrades. There isn't much resources in about that one so that people don't have many opportunities to know it even existed. The Solidarity that was formed in 1980, NSZZ Solidarnosc (Niezalezny Samorzadowy Zwiazek Zawodowy Solidarnosc), after PPS had been dissolved, was merely a medium for transferring power from the state to someone the state could easily control, e.g. by blackmail, so to agents of the Secret Police, SB (Sluzby Bezpieczenstwa), and petty snitches like Lech Walesa. Such operation was necessary as people had enough of "the system" and would not trust anyone related to it (such as gen. Jaruzelski). They would however trust an simple electrician from the shipyard.

General Wojciech Jaruzelski's decision about overthrowing the communist regime by introducing martial law was a partially successful attempt to liberate Poland. Otherwise, NSZZ Solidarnosc, which consisted of gen. Czeslaw Kiszczak's agents, would have taken over. Unfortunately no reforms took place under Jaruzelski's reign until 1988.

If any of you thinks that building your points of view solely around free (communist) Wikipedia's resources or posts from people who are for taking one's liberty to carry a gun around is a good idea, then you should probably think again.

[Sheepwash]

I haven't got this from Wikipedia, but the final sentence of point 1. above is seriously stupid.

[blackchubby38]

1. You wrote "Solidarity" rather than solidarity, so no, you were indeed referring to the party rather than solidarity or empathy. I do feel sorry for the people who got injured or slaughtered in the massacre. They believed the communist propaganda that discouraged them from exercising their constitutional right of bearing a gun and even being able to try and defend themselves.

2. Originally, Solidarity, was called PPS (Partia Pracownicza Solidarnosc) and itwas indeed a communist labour party of comrades. There isn't much resources in about that one so that people don't have many opportunities to know it even existed. The Solidarity that was formed in 1980, NSZZ Solidarnosc (Niezalezny Samorzadowy Zwiazek Zawodowy Solidarnosc), after PPS had been dissolved, was merely a medium for transferring power from the state to someone the state could easily control, e.g. by blackmail, so to agents of the Secret Police, SB (Sluzby Bezpieczenstwa), and petty snitches like Lech Walesa. Such operation was necessary as people had enough of "the system" and would not trust anyone related to it (such as gen. Jaruzelski). They would however trust an simple electrician from the shipyard.

General Wojciech Jaruzelski's decision about overthrowing the communist regime by introducing martial law was a partially successful attempt to liberate Poland. Otherwise, NSZZ Solidarnosc, which consisted of gen. Czeslaw Kiszczak's agents, would have taken over. Unfortunately no reforms took place under Jaruzelski's reign until 1988.

If any of you thinks that building your points of view solely around free (communist) Wikipedia's resources or posts from people who are for taking one's liberty to carry a gun around is a good idea, then you should probably think again.

Regarding point #1: I can guarantee that a majority of the people in that audience not only believed in their constitutional right of a bearing gun and being able to defend themselves, some of them probably had a weapon on them that night. There's just no defense when you're being gunned down by some psychopath on the 32 second floor of a hotel.

[ed_jaxon]

B1 your thread has been totally hijacked.

[Ts RedVeX]

Regarding point #1: I can guarantee that a majority of the people in that audience not only believed in their constitutional right of a bearing gun and being able to defend themselves, some of them probably had a weapon on them that night. There's just no defense when you're being gunned down by some psychopath on the 32 second floor of a hotel.

Of course there isn't, if you don't have a gun and know how to use it yourself.