White Nationalists March on University of Virginia

[Ben in LA]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/11/u...-virginia.html

"Late Friday night, several hundred torch-bearing men and women marched on the main quadrangle of the University of Virginia’s grounds, shouting, “You will not replace us,” and “Jew will not replace us.” "

Fuck that. They're Nazis. Discuss.

[Stavros]

"Late Friday night, several hundred torch-bearing men and women marched on the main quadrangle of the University of Virginia’s grounds, shouting, “You will not replace us,” and “Jew will not replace us.” "

Fuck that. They're Nazis. Discuss.

The torchlight procession is the confirmation. The only things missing are white sheets or brown shirts.

[Ben in LA]

The torchlight procession is the confirmation. The only things missing are white sheets or brown shirts.

Not needed anymore. They won't suffer many consequences for their actions. Hell, the cops weren't even in riot gear. They've been emboldened by the current administration.

[broncofan]

For those who say that a man cannot control who supports him, listen very carefully to Trump's weak, vague condemnation of these white supremacists. Compare what he says about this disgrace to what he says about CNN or Mika Brzezinski or the news media as a whole.

He says "Charlottesville sad!" but what he doesn't say is "these white supremacists are a disgrace. They believe I am carrying out their will but no genuine supporter of mine promotes race hatred. I condemn without hesitation people who claim that diversity = genocide or that we are weakening this country by making it more inclusive. Making America great means making it great for everyone, including all minorities."

He is able to call the news media the enemy of the people. Would he say the same about people who carry torches and promote race hatred? How hard can that be?

[broncofan]

He is able to call the news media the enemy of the people. Would he say the same about people who carry torches and promote race hatred? How hard can that be?

And I'm sure some people think "well what does it matter if the President issues an effective condemnation, there will always be some racists?" There will always be racists, but they should be outliers and our government should speak with one voice when it comes to denouncing them. If people who are carrying the flag of men and women who committed treason are not "the enemy of the people" then who is? Oh yes, the fake news media.

[flabbybody]

How can this be happening in America ?

[Stavros]

A) Neither Virginia nor Charlottesville needs a statue of Robert E. Lee to be reminded of the Civil War and what it represents in US history.

B) Charlottesville to most Americans ought to resonate with the Presidents who lived there or or close by -Thomas Jefferson, James Madison and James Monroe.

C) :
David Duke, a former leader of the Ku Klux Klan, hailed the rally as a sign of Mr Trump’s success. “This represents a turning point for the people of this country,”
“We are determined to take our country back. We’re going to fulfill the promises of Donald Trump.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...o-nazis-bring/

D) Charlottesville is named after the consort of George III (the king who lost America), Queen Charlotte (born in what is now Germany), married at 17, mother of 15 children...attempts that have been made to 'prove' she was of African ancestry are weak, but it would be a hoot if the Queen after whom the city is named is claimed as 'their own' by racist cretins who can't spell or point to North Korea on a map of the world. I guess most of them only got to the place via GPS anyway.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20.../race-monarchy

[broncofan]

Listen to what he says. "On many sides"....this is straight out of the playbook of every racist enabler in history. There was hatred and bigotry from only one side. If this isn't complicity nothing is. Even Bush Jr. would have the decency after a display like this to talk about the legacy of racism and make clear who he is condemning, instead of pretending like there are multiple sides worthy of condemnation.

[Stavros]

Here is a link to an interesting article that argues that the statues of Lee and Stonewall Jackson in Charlottesville were deliberately placed on the fringes of Black neighbourhoods in the town-

What has been missing from this fight, though, is the specific history of Charlottesville’s Confederate statues. Intimately tied to Charlottesville’s city planning projects and its persistent displacement of black residents, that context is emblematic of the relationship in the South between urban renewal and gentrification, Confederate memorialization and Lost Cause white supremacy, and the town-and-gown dichotomy inherent in university communities.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...torically.html

[broncofan]

It seems that the violence at the rally was worse than I thought initially. In addition to Heather Heyer being killed by a crazed white supremacist who drove his car into a crowd of people there were numerous assaults and in the age of social media many of them were captured on camera.

Several accounts on twitter have done an excellent job of breaking down the footage and putting out pictures of assailants who have been identified.

Where it gets more controversial, though not for me, is that pictures of the tiki torch mob who were not involved in crimes are also being disseminated. The people are being identified and at least a few have been fired from their jobs. This is one of the reasons that back in the day Klansmen covered their faces. These men in Charlottesville marched openly and promoted an unambiguous message of hatred. One of the things that shocked me when I went on twitter was the sheer number of stealth neo-nazis...some of them decided they had nothing to hide anymore.