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    Default Re: Video of Athena Addams getting stabbed and robbed

    Quote Originally Posted by Laphroaig View Post
    Firstly, what happened to Athena was terrible and the guy responsible deserves to be brought to justice, but it's not really an issue for discussion as such, because I doubt you'll find anyone who disagrees with that statement.
    Thank you for the reply. This is the entirety of what needs to be said when it comes to things like this, in my opinion. You would be surprised by how many responses I've read to this and similar incidents that place the blame on the victim in an "she-is-escorting-so-should-expect-this" type of reasoning. So, I do think it is important to call people on the carpet when that is voiced because it normalizes what is a serious crime. Giving voice to "terrible... BUT..." statements, again in my opinion, is not helpful at all and is the reason things like Trayvon Martin blow up - i.e. - "Terrible what happened but he shouldn't have been wearing a black hoodie at night... etc."

    RE: Security vs Safety - think of it in terms like this (you probably have similar gov depts in your country) - the TSA (fuck them) and the NSA are both "security" - that is, they exist to prevent crime. The NTSB is "safety" department, tasked with figuring out what happened and preventing it from happening again. A recording isn't a deterrent [i.e. - security (although it can be)], it is a safety precaution. This is why I bristled at the statement "fail" in your OP. The truth of the matter is, besides having "Bubba" standing two feet away from the bed, there is no SECURITY that an escort can really have, thus taking every SAFETY precaution to insure her life and well-being is taken care of; is, in my book not unreasonable in any circumstance.

    I mean, honestly - most escorts have the ultimate evidence of "blackmail" if they wanted to actually use it - DNA in the form of a used condom. So, I don't really see how/why recording a session is an issue. Again, for the record, I've already stated that what is done with the recording IS problematic - absolutely (as in the case of things like Revenge Porn - which BTW, is a whole other legal matter actually).

    I would like address another point you made. Theft of service is a crime... whether $10.00 or $2,000.00. US courts have already ruled on this matter regarding prostitution and escorting (I'm too lazy right now to look up the case but if you dig around, you can probably find it pretty easily). Prostitution, while (mostly) illegal is still a business transaction and if you can prove a transaction existed at an agreed upon price, you can still win your case if you prosecute. Most victims of this type of crime simply don't report it, for obvious reasons. Escorting, is entirely legal (paying for "time" not "sex") - you can draw your own conclusions about that. THAT is just an FYI - entirely beside the point I'm trying to make.

    You asked "Where would the acceptable line be drawn?"... my question back to you is "How much CRIME is acceptable to you?" Whether you "short change" a girl $10.00 or stab her in the gut... both are crimes. If you walked into a store and decided to not pay for $10.00 worth of groceries, you'd be prosecuted if caught (probably). Why? It's not the $10.00 breaking the business... it is because society has determined that if you give human nature an inch, it will take a mile. In my book, it is this line of reasoning (oh, it's just $10.00...) that leads eventually to "oh, shoot, too bad... well, it's just an escort". So, yes... you steal $10.00 from a girl... then boo-hoo for you, your face goes on the internet so other girls know that you're an asshat. Skip your next two cups of coffee and pay for the transaction as arranged. Would I personally do that...? No... probably not... bad for business, and probably makes you more of a target that is worth the trouble. But, that should be at the discretion of the person recording. The "Where would the acceptable line be drawn?" argument is tedious at best, and dangerous at worst, in my opinion.

    Anyway, I don't really want to give this thread more legs that it has already since the matter is [somewhat] closed. I appreciate the conversation after a rocky start.


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    Default Re: Video of Athena Addams getting stabbed and robbed

    Quote Originally Posted by dreamon View Post
    Doesn't always work, but defensive gun use does save lives. Ada was being stalked by a sick individual, and that individual would have found a way to harm her as that was what he unfortunately was seeking to do. But guns give you a chance to protect yourself. As many as 200,000 women a year use guns to protect themselves.
    If widespread gun ownership makes people safer, why does the US have a much higher murder rate than any other advanced country? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._homicide_rate For every case in which a person is able to defend themselves successfully, there are many more where people are put in danger because any angry or disturbed person can easily get hold of a gun.


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    Default Re: Video of Athena Addams getting stabbed and robbed

    Who is Athena Adams? And where is the video?


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    Default Re: Video of Athena Addams getting stabbed and robbed

    1)Read the first post of this topic......
    2)Click the first link given in the first post of this topic


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    Default Re: Video of Athena Addams getting stabbed and robbed

    Quote Originally Posted by krissy4u View Post
    Theft of service is a crime... whether $10.00 or $2,000.00. US courts have already ruled on this matter regarding prostitution and escorting (I'm too lazy right now to look up the case but if you dig around, you can probably find it pretty easily). Prostitution, while (mostly) illegal is still a business transaction and if you can prove a transaction existed at an agreed upon price, you can still win your case if you prosecute.
    The only case I remember in which a client was charged with theft of services was a rape case. The judge reduced the rape charge to theft of service. I'd hate to be the sex worker that happened to.

    You cannot enforce a contract that requires the parties to commit a crime. The courts will not enforce a contract for prostitution.



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    Default Re: Video of Athena Addams getting stabbed and robbed

    really fucked up what happend to her,



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