Video of Athena Addams getting stabbed and robbed

[Laphroaig]

geez... some guys just have a real problem admitting they got caught being an asshat.

YOU are making the assumption she was escorting at the time. As far as I know... she hasn't publicly stated it. We might all *think* we *know*... but in reality... we don't. Is it a stretch...? Sure... admittedly, but WHO is making the assumptions here?

And, YOU are the one making assumptions this is SOP for her. Perhaps she, (as any person who meets with others regularly knows) just got a "bad" feeling about this guy and set up something for security this one time. I've done the exact same thing before back when I was younger and escorting.

Anyway... done with this. The GUY here is the problem. NOT the camera, not the recording, not that she chooses to escort, not ANYTHING ELSE. The GUY. period. So stupidly tired of people making excuses for violence against women, sex workers or not.

No assumptions as she states it herself, see screenshot for your proof. "So yesterday a young client assualted stabbed and robbed me"....



Now please point out where am I "making excuses" for him and are you going to admit you've just been "caught being an asshat", by not checking your facts first?

[krissy4u]

Here's how an apology goes for future reference.

So, yes, it appears I was incorrect in stating that she has not publicly stated that she was "escorting" at the time. A probable conclusion can be drawn from the mention of "client" that this was probably escort-type work. I apologize for the incorrect statement.

NOW.

This is your stated opening line. "Not going to dispute that what happened to Athena was terrible and I wish her a speedy recovery, but there is another obvious issue with this situation, why was she recording anyway?"

Break this down. "what happened to Athena was terrible" ... "BUT"... "there is another obvious issue..." "why was she recording anyway?".

What you're doing here is drawing a correlation between two points in time. the "what happened".. and the "obvious issue" of "why was she recording anyway". These are your own words. Perhaps you worded it terribly and I'll give you grace for that possibility. Since you seem to be a master of logic, I won't go through this entire thread of reasoning - but you've basically just said, "What happened to Athena was terrible, but it is kinda on her since she was doing something she shouldn't have been doing in the first place".

As for me drawing the conclusion that you were talking about Athena recording as a legal matter... yeah right. You honestly don't believe that yourself, do you? You're just trying to defend a position, which is fine. But for God's sake... be intellectually honest. It's hard to have a discussion with someone who isn't. Honestly, tell me you weren't saying exactly that. I don't think anybody believes that... at all. You were saying that what she was doing was, in and of itself, illegal, and thus too bad for her for getting stabbed. That is what your statement basically said... again... as interpreted by me.

Look... it upset me. Athena is awesome... smart, attractive, an entrepreneur, and a role model for any girl out there trying to get by in this crazy life. She works hard, keeps her nose to the grindstone, and deserves the life she lives. She does not deserve to be shamed in any way for getting stabbed. I don't care what the circumstances are. There is no excuse for this type of behavior and recent other incidents have really made me irritated when I see the whole "oh but she escorts" line. FUCK THAT. Violence against women, or against anybody, should not be tolerated. We shouldn't have to justify getting stabbed as a crime. We shouldn't have to have commentary about the dangers of escorting, or the dangers of being Trans, or etc. Guys who assault girls or girls who assault guys should be prosecuted. Period.

I'm sorry if I've offended you. I can get pretty snarky when I talk which is why I've been off of HA for a freakin' long time. You just happened to be a "straw breaking camel's back" type of thing this morning for me. I'm tired of all the "excuses" is all, and your post struck me as trying to provide just that for this creep of a guy. Again, I apologize if that was not your intent, but I hope you can see where I was justified in coming to that conclusion.

No assumptions as she states it herself, see screenshot for your proof. "So yesterday a young client assualted stabbed and robbed me"....



Now please point out where am I "making excuses" for him and are you going to admit you've just been "caught being an asshat", by not checking your facts first?

[Laphroaig]

Here's how an apology goes for future reference.
So, yes, it appears I was incorrect in stating that she has not publicly stated that she was "escorting" at the time. A probable conclusion can be drawn from the mention of "client" that this was probably escort-type work. I apologize for the incorrect statement.

Apology accepted

This is your stated opening line. "Not going to dispute that what happened to Athena was terrible and I wish her a speedy recovery, but there is another obvious issue with this situation, why was she recording anyway?"

Break this down. "what happened to Athena was terrible" ... "BUT"... "there is another obvious issue..." "why was she recording anyway?".

What you're doing here is drawing a correlation between two points in time. the "what happened".. and the "obvious issue" of "why was she recording anyway". These are your own words. Perhaps you worded it terribly and I'll give you grace for that possibility. Since you seem to be a master of logic, I won't go through this entire thread of reasoning - but you've basically just said, "What happened to Athena was terrible, but it is kinda on her since she was doing something she shouldn't have been doing in the first place".

You’re reading too much into it, I’m not making a correlation between the two. One event did not happen as a result of the other. If I’d stated something like, “maybe the assault took place because he discovered the hidden camera”, you would have a valid point.

As for me drawing the conclusion that you were talking about Athena recording as a legal matter... yeah right. You honestly don't believe that yourself, do you? You're just trying to defend a position. Honestly, tell me you weren't saying exactly that. I don't think anybody believes that... at all. You were saying that what she was doing was, in and of itself, illegal, and thus too bad for her for getting stabbed. That is what your statement basically said... again... as interpreted by me.

Nope, I was stating (maybe badly worded) that it’s a breach of escort-client, trust/etiquette (call it what you will) to secretly record a session, whether you’re an escort or a client and it will likely affect her future business. I have no idea what the legal situation is, although I’ll admit that I’d assume it was illegal until told otherwise.

Look... it upset me. Athena is awesome... smart, attractive, an entrepreneur, and a role model for any girl out there trying to get by in this crazy life. She works hard, keeps her nose to the grindstone, and deserves the life she lives. She does not deserve to be shamed in any way for getting stabbed. I don't care what the circumstances are. There is no excuse for this type of behavior and recent other incidents have really made me irritated when I see the whole "oh but she escorts" line. FUCK THAT. Violence against women, or against anybody, should not be tolerated. We shouldn't have to justify getting stabbed as a crime. We shouldn't have to have commentary about the dangers of escorting, or the dangers of being Trans, or etc. Guys who assault girls or girls who assault guys should be prosecuted. Period.

I think we can both agree on this.

I'm sorry if I've offended you. I can get pretty snarky when I talk which is why I've been off of HA for a freakin' long time. You just happened to be a "straw breaking camel's back" type of thing this morning for me. I'm tired of all the "excuses" is all, and your post struck me as trying to provide just that for this creep of a guy.

It certainly wasn’t my intention to provide any excuses for the guy. Apologies for any misunderstandings or offence I’ve given you.

Hope your morning improves.

[dreamon]

Wow... please tell me of this magical device which will stop you from "getting injured in the first place"...? I'd love to buy one!

I personally have no problem with her recording, but there is definitely something that can keep you from getting injured in the first place.

[krissy4u]

a picture of two guns...? i'm printing this out and sticking it on my wall! meh... i don't really think owning a handgun is a "prevent all harm" charm... i own one and hope to god that i'll never have to use it.

I personally have no problem with her recording, but there is definitely something that can keep you from getting injured in the first place.

[Dudedude12345]

I personally have no problem with her recording, but there is definitely something that can keep you from getting injured in the first place.

Didn't somebody was mentioned being shot with her own gun?

[Athena_Addams]

In 13 years I've never had a problem until now. I've had a security camera for years now and you've never seen nor heard of footage until now and you never will... I have values and a code of etics. I appreachiate everyone who calls me and chooses me to guide them down the patch of self discovery. I see very few callers, and have never had an issue with my screening process until now.

[nysprod]

This is your stated opening line. "Not going to dispute that what happened to Athena was terrible and I wish her a speedy recovery, but there is another obvious issue with this situation, why was she recording anyway?"

The answer to this question is so obvious it shouldn't need explaining: Security, such as it is

Anyone know if Athena went to the police? I don't but I'll make a bet that she didn't. LE and tg's are a bad mix, best to distance if you're trans

[dreamon]

In 13 years I've never had a problem until now. I've had a security camera for years now and you've never seen nor heard of footage until now and you never will... I have values and a code of etics. I appreachiate everyone who calls me and chooses me to guide them down the patch of self discovery. I see very few callers, and have never had an issue with my screening process until now.

I wish you a speedy recovery, I'm glad that you're ok enough to be posting on a forum so shortly after being attacked

[filghy2]

One of the above posts says the attacker was caught, so presumably yes. Aside from other considerations, like stopping this guy from doing the same to someone else, how do you think that a person needing treatment for multiple stab wounds could avoid reporting it?