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    Thanks for the clip, it's good to hear that at least some information of the outside world is filtering in. I'm always impressed by the human capacity to put up with things.



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    Quote Originally Posted by nitron View Post
    Thanks for the clip, it's good to hear that at least some information of the outside world is filtering in. I'm always impressed by the human capacity to put up with things.
    Yes ,that and the power of human curiosity.



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    clearly Kim bumped him off. His brother should have headed to the nearest US armed forces base, and say he has secrets in exchange for good treatment.



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    Excellent PBS "Frontline" show on N Korea aired yesterday.
    Segments include ," Could there be a North Korean 'Spring' " , " What was Kim Jong-un like as a boy " and "Five ways North Koreans are defying the regime".
    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/fi...f-north-korea/
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    Evidence shows 40% of N. Korea's real economy comes from supplying chemical and illicit weapons. Including those being used in Syria.

    http://www.pri.org/stories/2017-04-21/key-supplier-syrias-chemical-weapons-north-korea


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    North Korea releases US prisoner , in a coma.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...=.1a631ec8bac7



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    A claim, unverified as yet, that North Korea has developed a 'small nuclear weapon' that can fit onto one of the inter-continental ballistic missiles they have been launching recently, has produced the following response from the President of the USA, bearing in mind recent threats made by North Korea against the USA:
    “North Korea best not make any more threats to the United States...They will be met with the fire and the fury like the world has never seen.”
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...eats-fire-fury

    Given that the world is recalling the centenary of the First World War and just in this last week the battles that raged at Passchendale from July to November -estimated casualties, start at 500,000 -followed by the Second World War, including Hiroshima and Nagasaki not to mention the Korean War, one wonders what the world has yet to see. As if we wanted to see it millions of dead people.

    It may be hard to swallow, but North Korea does have a right to defend itself in international law. It also has the right to develop a nuclear capability, though there are instruments in international law which North Korea could and probably should allow to inspect its facilities to assess their safety and compliance with international norms, as Iran has done, in contrast to those nuclear states that deny they even have them, Israel for example. Moreover, given the hostility shown to North Korea, it is not surprising if they are concerned at the potential for harm foreign states pose.

    But it is also the case that an attack produces retaliation, and the obvious danger that any sensible General knows is that with a state like North Korea, while it is possible they might 'do a Saddam' and commit a military folly, it is just as likely that a military strike on North Korea would not go without some reaction, even if it is a gesture such as an attack on South Korean shipping with minimal if any casualties, just to show they can and will do it. The irony of all this is that nuclear deterrence appears to be fine for existing nuclear armed states, yet any new state seeking a nuclear weapons capability is assumed, as is the case with Iran and North Korea to be anything from 'reckless' and 'irresponsible' to 'crazy' even though the primary aim is to deter precisely the military attack they fear.

    In time the North Korean regime will fail, it has always been hard to sustain autocracy at that level for a long period of time. It would make more sense to maintain pressure on the country in order to weaken the regime, than to attack it, an expensive option which carries the greater danger that the outcome is unknown, just as the USA began bombing the Taliban in Afghanistan in 2001 and 16 years and a trillion dollars later, is still there, fighting the same enemy.

    But hey, the President is a tough guy, and a winner, so maybe he knows something we don't?


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    The threat levels in the confrontation between North Korea and the USA have begged more questions than answers. Last week Rex Tillerson was attempting to calm people down and send messages to NK to the effect that the USA is not seeking 'regime change' or open conflict, whereas in less than a week his President threatens precisely that, and the head of the CIA Mike Pompeo has indicated that 'Regime Change' is an option just as General McMaster also claims all options are being considered.

    It beggars belief that North Korea is targeting the US naval base at Guam -why? One wonders what it will achieve. There is a precedent for this sort of folly, Argentina invaded the Falkland Islands [Las Malvinas] in 1982 having calculated that the British would not take any action to remedy the situation. They were not intimidated by the fact that the UK has nuclear weapons, and appear to have been surprised when Thatcher launched the 'Task Force' while the end-game was the end for the Generals. North Korea may calculate that the US will retaliate if it hits Guam, but fall short of raining bombs on the North that would kill a lot of people, but the US would have to do something and having sponsored a new round of sanctions a less than diplomatic attack would seem to be on the cards even if nobody knows what it might be.

    The final option, terrifying in its implications, was given the by the British born son of an Hungarian nationalist, Sebastian Gorka who works for the NSA.
    Asked what tools the Trump administration might use to increase its impact, Sebastian Gorka, a presidential foreign policy adviser, responded: “We have the president’s Twitter feed.” He added: “If you can win a US election with it, I think it’s pretty powerful, don’t you think?”
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...iplomacy-talks

    Feed the ducks, then, and see what happens....


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    I'm not trying to downplay things, but it really sounds like you have two guys in Trump and Kim Jon Un are just doing a lot of dick swinging.


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    Excellent interview with Dr. Henry Kissinger on The Charlie Rose Show this week, about his recommendations for immediate and long term future options for North Korea.
    https://charlierose.com/guests/131



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