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    And , although she forgot it or over looked it, Hitchens was a viral anti Islamist.



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    Quote Originally Posted by nitron View Post
    Hitchens was a viral anti Islamist.
    Herpetic I think.


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    Steve Bannon was interviewed for BBC-2's Newsnight programme last night. The full 50 minute interview is in the link, not sure if it is available to viewers outside the UK.

    On the one hand it is of interest to hear Bannon defending the record of the President he served, he claims for the year that was agreed upon (ie, he wasn't sacked), but on the other hand it appears that he uses words to conceal truths, that he has no real understanding of the historical forces at work, and has little or nothing to say about the abusive and insulting way the President belittles his fellow citizens other than to claim he moderated it when he joined the campaign.

    He does dismiss the BBC, the Financial Times, the Wall St Journal as willing tools in the hands of the 'globalists' he detests, and puts in a spirited attempt to defend 'economic nationalism' on the simple basis that it works. He thus insists that the proof is in the numbers of people in work, at one stage claiming Martin Luther King would praise his former boss for putting more Black Americans and Latinos into jobs with the bonus of rising wages -but not sure if they would agree.

    But -unemployment in the US has been falling year on year since 2008 but he can't say that or it undermines the case against globalization. He blames globalization for the loss of manufacturing jobs to China, but technology has been eroding the industrial base in the US since the 1960s long before the liberalization of capital began in the 1980s, where there is no mention of off-shoring in the Reagan era. And crucially, as he attacks China, no recognition that the 1980s was a moribund decade that was transformed in the 1990s through the growth of China without which globalization would have been the lesser being that it became, and without which Bannon himself would not have become a rich man as China's growth and the end of the Cold War led to expanding markets and demand that benefited the US to the tune of trillions of dollars.

    If he can't prove the economic nationalism, he makes it clear that the USA's hostility to Iran is only partially about the Nuclear Deal for he adds in the claim that Iran backs the 'terrorist' Hezbollah in Lebanon, without offering any evidence, a point on which Emily Maitlis did not challenge him.

    He wears two shirts at the same time, he doesn't shave, he looks like he just crawled out of bed, he ridicules the Democrats as the Impeachment Party though he thinks the Republicans will retain control of the House and Senate in the mid-terms because it will be an 'impeachment' election and in effect, the re-election of his buddy.

    It is not comfortable viewing, and while wrong on so many things one hopes he is also wrong about the mid-terms but that is a long way off.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episod...night-23052018



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    Unlike Steve Bannon, Ann Coulter has lovely hair. As someone who loves lovely hair, I wonder why it is that I don't love Ann Coulter, and can't even bring myself to forgive her so-called political views in the hope that I might experience the hair (I will spare you the details even though HA is mostly a porn forum).

    The link below is to a long read an interview with Coulter. She strikes me as being the media figure people turn to for an outrageous comment, something she will manipulate to attract attention to her 'real agenda' which is political change. Some of the outrageous comments are:

    -at a public meeting to promote a book: “The main thesis of my book,” she says, “is that the media are liars – every one of them.”

    -“For democracy to live we must kill the media,” Coulter says. “There may be a rash of reporter suicides – have no sympathy.” We must destroy the media, and rebuild it on “more ethical lines”.

    On Trump’s alleged obstruction of justice: all Trump has done is lie to the media, which is legal, and “there is nothing wrong with lying to the media. In fact I recommend it.”

    But what interested me was this-
    In 2004’s How to Talk to a Liberal (If You Must), she offered 10 rules: “Outrage the enemy”, “Never apologize”, “Never compliment a Democrat”, “Never show graciousness toward a Democrat” – some of the rules overlap – “Never flatter a Democrat …”
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ould-we-listen

    Reading this put me in mind of one man: Lenin. What is is striking about her comments is that what appears to be an aggressive posture designed to give libertarian ideas their strength undermines the whole purpose of politics, which is to create, promote and challenge ideas, to contest their meaning and value when transformed into policies, so that in a democracy people can weigh up the alternatives and vote accordingly.
    The problem for Lenin and Coulter is that democracy means losing power as well as obtaining it. We know that once Lenin obtained power the Bolsheviks never relinquished it, but at its heart is the critical idea AJ Polan advanced in his 1984 book Lenin and the End of Politics:

    From the vantage point of the working class (and the Party), Lenin is incapable of viewing dissent or difference as anything but error. And since the Bolsheviks know the irrefutable truth, Lenin (and not just Stalin) is incapable of tolerating politics. To Lenin,
    “[p]olitics is private self-interest made public. Thus Lenin’s first move is to abolish any possible distance between the gross economic position of an individual and his motivations; to abolish any space for ‘values’, and consequently, disagreement over values” (p. 175).
    Lenin does what politicians of any age have done to their opponents: label their views as merely self-interested, and without principle or merit
    http://lexiconic.net/wheatfromthechaff/archives/184

    Thus to me Ann Coulter's position is simple: there is only one truth, and it is what she says it is. Any dissent from that truth is to be dismissed as 'liberal', 'left-wing' and so on, which by definition means worthless. But just to underline how dangerous this is, it can be also be observed in the politics of Newton Gingrich and Mitchell McConnell and their absolute determination to destroy Bill Clinton by any means, and in the case of Barrack Obama to effectively obliterate any record of his two terms as President 'like it never even happened' as registered in this bleak roll call of spite and revenge:
    http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2018/...ever-happened/

    But when politics comes to an end, dictatorship is all that remains.



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