Climate change could mean the extinction of our species

[trish]

But to use the environment to exploit and lie to the citizens of your country for financial or political points...

You made these accusations just a page or two back but when questioned you were unable to substantiate them. Perhaps you should think about what it means to

live with honour

[Ben]

Are global warmists insane =very probably.This century's Ludites

The likes of Jim Inhofe serve the fossil fuel industry. So, it's understandable why he's a climate change denier. Completely understandable.
He's denying it to serve corporate profits.
But to say the science is mixed is a flat out lie.
Now, one can believe anything one wants to. I mean, people believe in [a] God. I think it's completely irrational. But a large section of the world's populace believe in God. That's fine. Your choice.
Um, ya know, one can believe that the moon is made of cheese. I mean, you can believe that. You'd be wrong but, again, one can wholeheartedly believe it. (You often hear people talking about the big bang theory. Ya know, it's just a theory. No! Theory, in science, means fact.)
Anyway, there is a corporate/media campaign to create confusion, to create doubt. Which is understandable if you're runnin' an oil company, a for-profit corporate institution. The science of climate change threatens those very narrow interests --
I think it's wrong to suggest that it's a way for governments to get money from us. If that were the case then Obama would simply come out and say, "Global warming is a serious threat to humanity and we need a carbon tax." Then: voila. He's got his carbon tax. His money, as it were.
But he, like the fossil fuel industry, is fighting the science. Which is understandable. As we know about the close relationship between government and big business. I mean, it's a campaign to protect, defend and serve corporate profits. (It's not about protecting people, saving jobs, serving the interests of working people, middle class people or even to protect, say, the other 30 million species that inhabit the planet with us.
I mean, denying the science doesn't have to do with looking out for the interests of people. Why would it be? Do you really think the Koch brothers -- who have a combined net worth of $50 billion -- really care about you and I? Or are they concerned about oil profits and padding their net worth? Take a wild guess....)
Plus we know oil is a finite resource. So, what's going to happen to future generations when it runs out? Should we care? I mean, maybe human civilization has reached the point where we simply don't care about future generations. That's a pretty sad value statement.

[Faldur]

Really?! You're going to explain a steady global rise in ocean levels over the last century or more by pointing to two relatively local cyclic phenomena with periods of about five years!! The only thing El Nino and El Nina might explain is a superposition of a small amplitude sine wave on top of the steady global increase making an step-like or oscillatory climb with the period of each step being roughly five years. Sorry but El Nino and El Nina are not the cause of the observed steady increase of sea level since 1880 and not the key element in the climate models that predict the increase will extend into the future if we do nothing to forestall the dumping of greenhouse gasses into our atmosphere.

How about we use a current graph, and yes El Nina is the correct conclusion. Your "science" is inconsistent, riddled with falsehoods, and blind to any opposing opinions. You can bark up this tree all you want, your not going to sell it.



Science Daly Article

ENSO Technical Discussion

[trish]

Obviously you haven't understood my post and you don't understand your own graph. The graph doesn't show that El Nino and El Nina are the causes of sea level rise or that their effects are worse than the rise caused by global warming. The graph merely shows how their effects can be seen superimposed upon sea level rise. The graph beautifully illustrates exactly what I described! Sheeesh! Notice how each little five year oscillation is dwarfed by the overall rise over the century of global warming. (In your graph annual fluctuations can be seen superposed upon each of those oscillations. It would be nice to see a Fourier brake down of these harmonics.) They're both excellent graphs for illustrating my point.

Nice articles too.
Science Daly Article

ENSO Technical Discussion

Nice to have one's hypothesis confirmed by NOAA

These are good articles too

http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v...geo1327.html#/

and

http://www.nature.com/news/three-qua...an-made-1.9538

and here's a really cool interactive map.
http://flood.firetree.net/

[Yvonne183]

The sea levels are rising cause the Dutch keep making more land space by pushing the water away from Holland, the water got to go somewhere.

[trish]

[onmyknees]

The Sky is Falling, The Sky is Falling..............where will Santa live when the Polar Ice Melts?????

[trish]

I know it looks like the sky is falling, but it's the oceans rising.

[russtafa]

help me ,help,gurgle,gurgle

[trish]

Now you want our help?!