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17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?
On February 26, our son Trayvon Martin was shot and killed as he walked to a family member's home from a convenience store where he had just bought some candy. He was only 17 years-old.
Trayvon's killer, George Zimmerman, admitted to police that he shot Trayvon in the chest. Zimmerman, the community's self appointed "neighborhood watch leader," called the police to report a suspicious person when he saw Travyon, a young black man, walking from the store. But Zimmerman still hasn't been charged for murdering my son.
Trayvon was our hero. At the age 9, Trayvon pulled his father from a burning kitchen, saving his life. He loved sports and horseback riding. At only 17 he had a bright future ahead of him with dreams of attending college and becoming an aviation mechanic. Now that’s all gone.
When Zimmerman reported Trayvon to the police, they told him not to confront him. But he did anyway. All we know about what happened next is that our 17 year-old son, who was completely unarmed, was shot and killed.
It's been nearly two weeks and the Sanford Police have refused to arrest George Zimmerman. In their public statements, they even go so far as to stand up for the killer - saying he's "a college grad" who took a class in criminal justice.
Please join us in calling on Norman Wolfinger, Florida's 18th District State's Attorney, to investigate my son's murder and prosecute George Zimmerman for the shooting and killing of Trayvon Martin.
Read the story above ... and click on link to sign petition:
http://www.change.org/petitions/pros...trayvon-martin
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damn it, now im sad and fucking angry.
all i can do is sign it, so i will
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I cant believe the murderer even confess and he doesnt get arrested? incredible
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shocking ... amazing legal system there in the usa
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America is a wacky place. You'll notice in the recent senseless crime that happened here in Charlotte, the suspects race is never mentioned by the news media. Ever. Yet a family man is shot in the face, almost killed and his life is turned upside down. For those that are wondering, no petitions are being circulated that the young suspect be brought to justice. No famous religious leaders are beseeching the community that the suspect be turned in, so that the bad apple can be taken out of the community, no reward. Now, if that cab driver had killed the suspect in self defense....
http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/Polic...142221795.html
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/201...-shooting.html
http://charlotte.news14.com/content/...river-shooting
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THey aren't the same situations at all, SFTB.
One was murdered in the commission of a crime, the suspect still at large.
In the former, the murderer killed an unarmed teenager, phoned the police to report what he had done then claimed it was self-defense. No charges were brought against him.
Both are tragic, but at least in the OP we know the victim and the killer.
I think it's shitty to imply since the cabby who was killed isn't benefiting from a public outcry of injustice, then why should it matter that a kid whose only crime was being BLACK was murdered in cold blood by a paranoid with a gun??
God Bless Amerikkka.
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giovanni_hotel
THey aren't the same situations at all, SFTB.
One was murdered in the commission of a crime, the suspect still at large.
In the former, the murderer killed an unarmed teenager, phoned the police to report what he had done then claimed it was self-defense. No charges were brought against him.
Both are tragic, but at least in the OP we know the victim and the killer.
I think it's shitty to imply since the cabby who was killed isn't benefiting from a public outcry of injustice, then why should it matter that a kid whose only crime was being BLACK was murdered in cold blood by a paranoid with a gun??
God Bless Amerikkka.
You miss my point entirely. Try to imagine that you live in a city where there is someone shooting people in the head for no reason at all. In the surveilance footage on the links I gave we see the youth. But the news media refuses to describe him fully, and yes it is because of his race.
Those pictures should be blown up, and every black church leader in town should be asking his congregation to find him. He shot a man in the head, didnt call emergency services, didnt bother checking to see if he was even alive, but calmly walked to the train, and went home.
In the Florida case, a man called 911, ended up confronting the youth, and called police after the shooting. At the very least there is more to the story. Let the police do their job.
Your hung up on the fact that one was killed and one wasnt. I'm hung up on the fact that we have UK based adult website owners coming on a TS forum passing a petition about a shooting that happened in Sanford FL in which the police have been involved from the get go. And we have a remorseless son of a bitch shooting people in the head here in Charlotte and noone in Charlotte that could find him seems to care.
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SFTB
You miss my point entirely. Try to imagine that you live in a city where there is someone shooting people in the head for no reason at all. In the surveilance footage on the links I gave we see the youth. But the news media refuses to describe him fully, and yes it is because of his race.
Those pictures should be blown up, and every black church leader in town should be asking his congregation to find him. He shot a man in the head, didnt call emergency services, didnt bother checking to see if he was even alive, but calmly walked to the train, and went home.
In the Florida case, a man called 911, ended up confronting the youth, and called police after the shooting. At the very least there is more to the story. Let the police do their job.
Your hung up on the fact that one was killed and one wasnt. I'm hung up on the fact that we have UK based adult website owners coming on a TS forum passing a petition about a shooting that happened in Sanford FL in which the police have been involved from the get go. And we have a remorseless son of a bitch shooting people in the head here in Charlotte and noone in Charlotte that could find him seems to care.
I'm struggling to see any logical connection between these two incidents. By your "logic" you should be equally upset with white church/community leaders for their failure to demonstrate their outrage that a young, unarmed, black teen was murdered for no reason. That's actually the point: race plays far too large of a role in our criminal justice system.
Black church/community leaders become outraged because this is a common occurrence. The difference isn't just that one person died. In one case the killer CONFESSED and yet remains unpunished. In the othe case, the shooter remains at large but there is certainly no indication that he will be let off Scott free without any repercussions. That's clearly NOT suggested by your article. In fact, once found, I can guarantee the shooter will be punished to the fullest extent of the law.
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I'm also struggling to think of white church leaders calling their entire congregation to find a criminal. In fact, your comment that black church leaders should be urging their congregation to find the shooter suggests that he is somehow connected to the congregation based on race alone. I don't look to the white community to punish a white criminal. I look to the POLICE. Unfortunately, when a young black kid is murdered by a relatively unassuming white guy, not even the police are helpful.
Granted, we don't know all the facts but I'm not sure there are any circumstances under which the American public would be willing to overlook the murder of an unarmed, white teenager, no matter how checkered his past may be.
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When it's 80 plus degrees and someone is wearing a sweatshirt/hoodie in a gated community, they start out looking suspicious. NO ONE knows what kind of crap that kid gave the guard. Black teenagers are the most disrespectful group of kids in the world.
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yourdaddy
When it's 80 plus degrees and someone is wearing a sweatshirt/hoodie in a gated community, they start out looking suspicious. NO ONE knows what kind of crap that kid gave the guard. Black teenagers are the most disrespectful group of kids in the world.
He was visiting and could've ben the only clothes/sweater he had. He didn't commit a crime though..even if he had given the "fake" guard some lip. He didn't commit a crime and it doesnt justify shooting and killing him
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Sigh. Gonna make a final post on this. I've seen it said that the kid in Sanford was murdered because he was black. For all we know he came at the guy with the gun, or the guy panicked, or he misfired. There is only one witness, and we dont have his story. What we do know is he called the 911 both before and after the incident, and surrendered himself to authorities.
Everyone is making it a race thing. Maybe it's a "nervous old man who never should have had a gun in the first place" thing. We dont know.
Because it was a young black kid killed its a race crime, with an intrenational outcry. Petitions being filed from across the water etc.
So sick of the political correct hypocrisy. Noone is saying the cab driver was shot because he was white. He was shot because an asshole with a gun got in his cab. THATS my point.
Instead of all this race bullshit, do whatever it takes to get these assholes off the street. You guys are passing petitions from across the water, next we'll have Sharpton or Jackson screaming for the guys head. How about we see what the police end up with first? They have the shooter and they will give the results of their investigation. I'd sure like to see 1/10th of this effort applied to get this asshole in Charlotte.
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SFTB
Sigh. Gonna make a final post on this. I've seen it said that the kid in Sanford was murdered because he was black. For all we know he came at the guy with the gun, or the guy panicked, or he misfired. There is only one witness, and we dont have his story. What we do know is he called the 911 both before and after the incident, and surrendered himself to authorities.
Everyone is making it a race thing. Maybe it's a "nervous old man who never should have had a gun in the first place" thing. We dont know.
Because it was a young black kid killed its a race crime, with an intrenational outcry. Petitions being filed from across the water etc.
So sick of the political correct hypocrisy. Noone is saying the cab driver was shot because he was white. He was shot because an asshole with a gun got in his cab. THATS my point.
Instead of all this race bullshit, do whatever it takes to get these assholes off the street. You guys are passing petitions from across the water, next we'll have Sharpton or Jackson screaming for the guys head. How about we see what the police end up with first? They have the shooter and they will give the results of their investigation. I'd sure like to see 1/10th of this effort applied to get this asshole in Charlotte.
+1 Good post !!!
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SFTB
Sigh. Gonna make a final post on this. I've seen it said that the kid in Sanford was murdered because he was black. For all we know he came at the guy with the gun, or the guy panicked, or he misfired. There is only one witness, and we dont have his story. What we do know is he called the 911 both before and after the incident, and surrendered himself to authorities.
Everyone is making it a race thing. Maybe it's a "nervous old man who never should have had a gun in the first place" thing. We dont know.
Because it was a young black kid killed its a race crime, with an intrenational outcry. Petitions being filed from across the water etc.
So sick of the political correct hypocrisy. Noone is saying the cab driver was shot because he was white. He was shot because an asshole with a gun got in his cab. THATS my point.
Instead of all this race bullshit, do whatever it takes to get these assholes off the street. You guys are passing petitions from across the water, next we'll have Sharpton or Jackson screaming for the guys head. How about we see what the police end up with first? They have the shooter and they will give the results of their investigation. I'd sure like to see 1/10th of this effort applied to get this asshole in Charlotte.
Wow, I actually never said it was a race crime. In fact, the real place that race comes in to play is the punishment of the two shooters. I even said we don't know all the facts. Again, my point is that, no matter what the CHILD'S race, there is no excuse for killing him/her if he's unarmed and you ARE.
It's always easy to talk tough and say things about political correctness and hypocrisy when you are unaffected by the tragedy in question. Next time one of your loved ones is gunned down when they were unarmed I hope you're man enough to stick to your guns and say maybe the old guy had the jitters rather than pointing out that your family member was unarmed...now that would be hypocritical now wouldn't it.
I mean come one, the gun misfired? Look, murder is an intent based crime so if that was te case he could not be charged with murder because he lacked the requisite intent to kill. But that is precisely why we've created a charge called involuntary manslaughter. Negligent acts--such as leaving your house carrying a weapon and approaching an unarmed individual--that result in the death of another individual are still punishable. However this guy was not punished at all.
You can be like the rest of the sheep and spout one-liners about how you're sick of being politically correct but that's not helping at all. In fact, I'm sick of being politically correct too. So let's do away with the pretense. It's hypocritical to see something that doesn't seem quite right and then give another situation as a comparison implying that your story is worse. Did it make what happened to the kid any less wrong? No.
Come on dude, that's like me saying I was shot for being on this forum and you were stabbed just for wearing a pink shirt as if what happened to me is now less outrageous because what happened to you sucked. Both situations are terrible but your example in no way minimizes what appears be to a lack of fairness. Granted we don't know all the facts, but if you were simply being objective you'd see that what happened doesn't quite pass the smell test.
So talk about bein politically correct all you want. If it seems wrong, sometimes it is. What happened to both individuals was wrong but your story doesn't somehow make the original post less of a tragedy. As usual, tough talk is used by those looking from the outside in. I venture to guess your tone might change if someone you loved was on th other side of that bullet.
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Racist white people, EVERYWHERE!
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yourdaddy
When it's 80 plus degrees and someone is wearing a sweatshirt/hoodie in a gated community, they start out looking suspicious. NO ONE knows what kind of crap that kid gave the guard. Black teenagers are the most disrespectful group of kids in the world.
So that makes it okay?The shooter was a Neighborhood Watch member. Neighborhood Watch members are not trained security or police officers; they only keep an eye out for suspicious activity. When they see suspicious activity, they are only supposed to call the police.
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DarylWashington
Racist white people, EVERYWHERE!
Ya! ...... wait a minute..
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i would say scared racist people every where no matter the race
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DarylWashington
Racist white people, EVERYWHERE!
Racist of all colors everywhere. This thread could have been titled "Youth irrespoinsibly shot by overzealous Neighborhood Watch member", but it wasnt.
White guy beaten nearly to death by Blacks for dating a Black woman, no hate crime there - YouTube
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DarylWashington
Racist white people, EVERYWHERE!
I truly hope you are being sarcastic there. I'm really tired of the concept that racism can only go one way. As a white male who grew up in a fairly poor area of the deep south, I have seen way more than my share of racism. To this day, black-on-white crime is downplayed by the media, while white-on-black crime makes headlines every time.
As for this case, no one alive but Mr. Zimmerman knows the true story of what happened, but I have seen several news reports that say when police arrived on the scene, he was bleeding from his nose and the back of his head. That to me says that there was more than likely some sort of altercation before the shooting. I'm not saying this shooting was justified, just pointing out that if the races were reversed here that we would never have even heard about it in the first place.
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DarylWashington
Racist white people, EVERYWHERE!
No racist black people anywhere, ever, never will be, can't happen, no way, don't exist.
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SFTB
Sigh. Gonna make a final post on this. I've seen it said that the kid in Sanford was murdered because he was black. For all we know he came at the guy with the gun, or the guy panicked, or he misfired. There is only one witness, and we dont have his story. What we do know is he called the 911 both before and after the incident, and surrendered himself to authorities.
Everyone is making it a race thing. Maybe it's a "nervous old man who never should have had a gun in the first place" thing. We dont know.
Because it was a young black kid killed its a race crime, with an intrenational outcry. Petitions being filed from across the water etc.
So sick of the political correct hypocrisy. Noone is saying the cab driver was shot because he was white. He was shot because an asshole with a gun got in his cab. THATS my point.
Instead of all this race bullshit, do whatever it takes to get these assholes off the street. You guys are passing petitions from across the water, next we'll have Sharpton or Jackson screaming for the guys head. How about we see what the police end up with first? They have the shooter and they will give the results of their investigation. I'd sure like to see 1/10th of this effort applied to get this asshole in Charlotte.
The reason this IS a race thing, is that if this situation was reversed and it was a 17 year old white boy who was shot, the black guy would be in jail already.
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jimmibi
The reason this IS a race thing, is that if this situation was reversed and it was a 17 year old white boy who was shot, the black guy would be in jail already.
Well, they are investigating a neighborhood watch member, who called 911, and was involved in a shooting. There were also 911 calls to OPD about the 2 being involved in a struggle from other neighbors. When officers arrived, he had a bloody nose the youth was dead.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...,2078834.story
There is a witness who at first made a sworn statement confirming the neighborhood watch members story, but has since changed her story. So maybe, just maybe none of us know what happened and should let OPD and Sanford police do their job?
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...0,559932.story
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Is anyone actually surprised by this? White America...
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Ryz
Is anyone actually surprised by this? White America...
Ryz, I would have to say that on Feb 26, 2012, America the melting pot was equally represented in Orlando area, with no race in particular taking the lead in crime.
http://www.jailbase.com/en/arrested/fl-occ/2012-02-26/
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new fashion in Usa kill as u wont go in the jail ,shocking ......horoble...no words
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I truly hope you are being sarcastic there. I'm really tired of the concept that racism can only go one way. As a white male who grew up in a fairly poor area of the deep south, I have seen way more than my share of racism. To this day, black-on-white crime is downplayed by the media, while white-on-black crime makes headlines every time.
As for this case, no one alive but Mr. Zimmerman knows the true story of what happened, but I have seen several news reports that say when police arrived on the scene, he was bleeding from his nose and the back of his head. That to me says that there was more than likely some sort of altercation before the shooting. I'm not saying this shooting was justified, just pointing out that if the races were reversed here that we would never have even heard about it in the first place.
Right....if a black man shot and killed an unarmed white kid we wouldn't have heard anything about that. Seriously. Plus, you assume that just because we are having this discussion here that this particular murder made headlines. Did you know about it before the incident happened. Because according to you it must be getting publicity sinc we would have never heard a peep about it if a white kid was killed. Just like the news stations are so quick to report on missing black kids but never so much as mention missing white children. Boy oh boy, I never really knew stuff happened to white people until my white friends started giving me first-hand accounts, you know, because that stuff never makes the news.
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SFTB
And your response could have been just "there are racists of all colors but that doesn't make it right." instead you stopped prematurely and opted to post a video about black people doing something equally stupid. What was your point again? That's right, there wasn't one.
Your response is like that of a child. You catch them doing something bad and they quickly point out that someone else did the same thing. News flash, both kids are wrong. The fact that racism, funny enough, is actually color blind doesn't speak to the issue. Unless of course your only form of argument is "you think what I did is bad? Wait until you see what HE did!"
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Who as a part of a Neighborhood Watch goes around with a SIDEARM?? A neighborhood watch is just that, you call in shit that looks suspicious. Like if you see someone who doesn't look like you neighbor trying to enter his house through the basement window.
You don't go approach that person with a 9mm drawn and have a 'conversation'.
Mr. Zimmerman is at fault for at least exercising idiotic judgment and should have been charged with some form of manslaughter, voluntary or involuntary.
I'll tell you this, that White guy shot that Black teenager for no other reason than he was SCARED of his skin color.
There have been no reports that Mr. Zimmerman was assaulted by this kid, and why didn't he just draw his firearm overhead and fire off a couple rounds??? IMO that kid would have done what a million other teenagers would have; he would have turned his ass around, if he wasn't too afraid to move, and walked his ass back in the opposite direction.
The officers told Mr. Zimmerman NOT TO APPROACH the 'suspicious' individual, yet for some reason he felt obligated to do so.
IMO this is the case of a wannabe cop/neighborhood vigilante he should be allowed to cool down in a jail cell for about 10 years for being stupid.
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I find it curious & a bit disturbing that whenever any kind of story resembling this one happens, the discussion devolves into a bunch of bullshit over what race has the higher percentage of racist assholes. Who gives a flyin' fuck? It's a total waste of time & effort for everybody, whether you're adding to the ad hominem sidetrack, or having to sift through all the irrelevant stupid (3 pages in 9 hours for this one so far) just to find out what happened. Just sayin'...
As for the case:
It would appear there was a fight, although even that seems to be in dispute. Unless it's a preplanned sporting event or some such, all violence starts with an assault. Now the question is who was the assailant. All the law agencies seem to be staying tight lipped, except for the repudiation of the "eye witness" who's talking to the media. There's a time lag going on, but this case has been taken over by the State. I find that real interesting, & a reason to keep on top of this.
Regardless of what happens at any official level, or who says what, there's one fact that sticks out. Zimmerman's a fucking moron & probably shouldn't be armed.
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A self appointed watchman with a loaded gun walking around a suburban neighborhood is suspicious right there.
So if you are walking down this street and Mr. Zimmerman demands to know your whereabouts, god help you if you tell him to Fuck Off.
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lets pretend we flipped the colors, shit wouldnt of made the news
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yet, its always annoying when people say shit like "well thats america for you"
as if all countries aren't fucked up. even more so in different ways. pretty pathetic
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agreed noble, and to rephrase my statement. it would make the news, it just wouldnt be a racism situation
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celticgrafix
agreed noble, and to rephrase my statement. it would make the news, it just wouldnt be a racism situation
That's probably because it wouldn't be a racism statement.It seems like most of the black on white crimes I hear of are for material gain, while most of the white on black crime is based on racial hatred. The media would feast on every race related story they could, because it's good for their business, whether the crime was racially motivated or not. Race is a big issue in America. If they publish a crime story without a picture of the victim or criminal, the big issue is what "race" are they. The OJ trial wouldn't have gotten as much publicity, if his wife were black. In fact, if his wife were black, he'd probably be a free man today. He'd probably would have spoken at Leslie Neilsen's funeral. Maybe some feminist groups may despise him, but he'd still be working in Hollywood. See the difference with Robert Blake? Had his wife been black, you would hear from Sharpton.
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In some states, if the defence (shooter) can prove that there was a credible threat at the time of the shooting, then the shooting is ruled as justified.
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ahh well shows america has a real immigrant problem as they all have guns. Oh n the immigrants r from Europe :p
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i signed because i have young cousins and not only that could of been anyone one of you guys family member
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wish we had fire arms in Australia there would be a lot less criminals around
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I don't care what the racial makeup was, it could have been a self-appointed fake cop Black man walking the streets of his 'hood who blows away a Korean teenager claiming self-defense and that the kid looked shady.
It would still be a major news story.
The difference is, only a White guy in America isn't charged and arrested for murder in less than an hour.
Leaving a convenience store and walking down the sidewalk in a suburb usually doesn't earn you the death penalty on sight from some asshole with a gun.
Everything about this assault was premeditated. Mr. Zimmerman called the police that he observed the victim looking suspicious, followed and approached him when he was expressly told not to do so by police, and executed him with a point blank shot in the chest because he felt 'threatened'.
No, only men of a certain complexion in this country could even dream of getting off totally spotless without a minute of jail time for murdering a kid because he felt like it.
EDIT: Zimmerman according to his father is of hispanic descent, and he suggests the victim is the one who followed and confronted Mr. Zimmerman.
Mr. Zimmerman was arrested in 2005 for assaulting and arresting a police officer, the charges were later dropped. He's received multiple complaints from residents in his housing development for his over-aggressive tactics and even followed one resident to their home to confront them.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1340358.html
Having a gun carry permit does not allow you to play Dirty Harry IRL.
BTW the Retreat at Twin Lakes development didn't even have a neighborhood watch program. This asshole just decided to appoint HIMSELF the neighborhood watch captain.
If not prison, this nutcase needs to be kept in a secure psychiatric facility for evaluation and treatment. The definition of a delusional homicidal narcissist.