Guys or Girls would you date a TS who had a Orchiectomy

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Originally Posted by SarahG

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Originally Posted by eviltwin585

I hope that most ppl, especially those barely in their twenties, limit their transitions to reversible cosmetic surgeries for a while first.

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Yea, because we all know how for all of us, its just some passing phase to get back at our parents. :roll:

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Ya, you pegged me. I was totally going there. :?

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Originally Posted by eviltwin585

I hope that most ppl, especially those barely in their twenties, limit their transitions to reversible cosmetic surgeries for a while first.

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I don't intend to be mean but that's the argument/statement that is routinely used in the medical fields to try to prevent young trans patients from transitioning.

Alot of people will say the "just don't let them do anything that can't be reversed" argument/thought without putting any thought into it.

Nothing that can't be reversed? Under that logic no hrt for anyone in their "early 20s" (or earlier I am assuming) since long term that can lead to sterilization.

It is precisely those sentiments that have gotten some parents over the years in legal trouble for letting their kids (minors) start hrt before 16/18/21/whatever other arbitrary number.

I have known medical professionals who think it should be illegal to let anyone under 35 transistion because "they're just little kids that don't know what they want" (as if that's part of the equation?).

For a girl that is sterile from hrt, been on it for years etc, there is no legitimate reason for keeping orchis out of medical reach or playing the "we need X amount of letters" type games since the procedure 1- isn't gonna make the patient any more sterile, 2- hrt is safer at the lower dosages one can take after an orchi (or srs), considering that we're on hrt for all extensive purposes for life- it just "makes more sense" for a patient who needs/wants an orchi.

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Originally Posted by SarahG

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Originally Posted by eviltwin585

I hope that most ppl, especially those barely in their twenties, limit their transitions to reversible cosmetic surgeries for a while first.

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I don't intend to be mean but that's the argument/statement that is routinely used in the medical fields to try to prevent young trans patients from transitioning.

Alot of people will say the "just don't let them do anything that can't be reversed" argument/thought without putting any thought into it.

Nothing that can't be reversed? Under that logic no hrt for anyone in their "early 20s" (or earlier I am assuming) since long term that can lead to sterilization.

It is precisely those sentiments that have gotten some parents over the years in legal trouble for letting their kids (minors) start hrt before 16/18/21/whatever other arbitrary number.

I have known medical professionals who think it should be illegal to let anyone under 35 transistion because "they're just little kids that don't know what they want" (as if that's part of the equation?).

For a girl that is sterile from hrt, been on it for years etc, there is no legitimate reason for keeping orchis out of medical reach or playing the "we need X amount of letters" type games since the procedure 1- isn't gonna make the patient any more sterile, 2- hrt is safer at the lower dosages one can take after an orchi (or srs), considering that we're on hrt for all extensive purposes for life- it just "makes more sense" for a patient who needs/wants an orchi.

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No one under 35 should transition? Do some people actually think that is a good idea? That is a really bad one and I hope they never approve it, not only would it lead to a lot more suicides and depression, it's bad enough that the hormones and such are restricted without "proper" counciling and such. Just give people what they want/need. I'm sure there are a lot of TS's that get rejected for no reason.

Vala,

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Originally Posted by eviltwin585

I would think that transitioning is a series of milestones, but each transsexual person needs to decide for themselves how far they need to go. I hope that most ppl, especially those barely in their twenties, limit their transitions to reversible cosmetic surgeries for a while first.

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Does "reversible cosmetic surgeries" include FFS, (facial feminization surgery)? This is a procedure that does not require approval letters from Psychs. etc., would be very hard to reverse and impossible to hide.

I know of at least 2 people who have had FFS and have "detransitioned" back to a male, (androgynous) persona.

It will be interesting to see in the future what happens with the growing number of TSs who are having this fairly new radical surgery.

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Originally Posted by Rod la Rod

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Originally Posted by eviltwin585

I would think that transitioning is a series of milestones, but each transsexual person needs to decide for themselves how far they need to go. I hope that most ppl, especially those barely in their twenties, limit their transitions to reversible cosmetic surgeries for a while first.

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Does "reversible cosmetic surgeries" include FFS, (facial feminization surgery)? This is a procedure that does not require approval letters from Psychs. etc., would be very hard to reverse and impossible to hide.

I know of at least 2 people who have had FFS and have "detransitioned" back to a male, (androgynous) persona.

It will be interesting to see in the future what happens with the growing number of TSs who are having this fairly new radical surgery.

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I thought that the male features of the face would return if you stopped transitioning.

Vala,

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Originally Posted by Vala_TS

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Originally Posted by Rod la Rod

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Originally Posted by eviltwin585

I would think that transitioning is a series of milestones, but each transsexual person needs to decide for themselves how far they need to go. I hope that most ppl, especially those barely in their twenties, limit their transitions to reversible cosmetic surgeries for a while first.

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Does "reversible cosmetic surgeries" include FFS, (facial feminization surgery)? This is a procedure that does not require approval letters from Psychs. etc., would be very hard to reverse and impossible to hide.

I know of at least 2 people who have had FFS and have "detransitioned" back to a male, (androgynous) persona.

It will be interesting to see in the future what happens with the growing number of TSs who are having this fairly new radical surgery.

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I thought that the male features of the face would return if you stopped transitioning.

Vala,

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I don't think so.

http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/~mirror/FFS/LynnsFFS.html

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Originally Posted by tsmandy

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Originally Posted by KiraHarden_TS

Well one other thing also, I forgot to add. I would love to get into adult films but the orchiectomy will limit or even prevent me from getting involve and damn it i wanna fuck on cam......
Kira
www.youtube.com/kiraharden

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Maybe we should make a movie of girls who have all had orchie's and we can call it something silly like 'Fucked by a Eunuch', or 'She has no balls and her dick is still bigger than mine'

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OK girls - I'll produce it!

Check out our web site and get in touch.

Hugs,
TS Jamie :-)

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Originally Posted by Vala_TS

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Originally Posted by SarahG

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Originally Posted by eviltwin585

I hope that most ppl, especially those barely in their twenties, limit their transitions to reversible cosmetic surgeries for a while first.

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I don't intend to be mean but that's the argument/statement that is routinely used in the medical fields to try to prevent young trans patients from transitioning.

Alot of people will say the "just don't let them do anything that can't be reversed" argument/thought without putting any thought into it.

Nothing that can't be reversed? Under that logic no hrt for anyone in their "early 20s" (or earlier I am assuming) since long term that can lead to sterilization.

It is precisely those sentiments that have gotten some parents over the years in legal trouble for letting their kids (minors) start hrt before 16/18/21/whatever other arbitrary number.

I have known medical professionals who think it should be illegal to let anyone under 35 transistion because "they're just little kids that don't know what they want" (as if that's part of the equation?).

For a girl that is sterile from hrt, been on it for years etc, there is no legitimate reason for keeping orchis out of medical reach or playing the "we need X amount of letters" type games since the procedure 1- isn't gonna make the patient any more sterile, 2- hrt is safer at the lower dosages one can take after an orchi (or srs), considering that we're on hrt for all extensive purposes for life- it just "makes more sense" for a patient who needs/wants an orchi.

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No one under 35 should transition? Do some people actually think that is a good idea? That is a really bad one and I hope they never approve it, not only would it lead to a lot more suicides and depression, it's bad enough that the hormones and such are restricted without "proper" counciling and such. Just give people what they want/need. I'm sure there are a lot of TS's that get rejected for no reason.Vala,

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I will agree with Sarah and Vala. The arguments used by the medical community in large part are wrong. This is one of the primary problems within the trans community, a significant lack of understanding by the "gatekeepers."

That said, as a Dominatrix (sometimes) I have on occasion (quite a few occasions actually) had people contact me with some really strange requests. I've had guys (meaning people who identify as men) want me to help them get on hormones for fetish purposes. One even wanted me to "force" him to have a sex change.

These are the kinds of people the SOC are designed to protect. People who may be exploring fetish fantasies to the point of reality. Unfortunately it hurts the rest of us.

As to when someone should transition. If I'd felt I could transition when I first figured out what was up my life would have been markedly different. But I felt pressured by society back in the 70's to "be a man" so I really tried. Until I reached the point where I'd rather have been dead than to "be a man" one more day. And then I transitioned.

Fortunately I'm in a position to help my partner realize her needs at an age when hormones and surgeries will make a difference in her life. And hopefully to offer some advice to others when I can.

She was able to catch and begin to change things when she was young enough that she can live her life as the woman she is and be 100% passable in any situation short of full nudity, and many if not most transgirls have to ask if she's a GG or not.

So yes - the earlier people can go on hormones - once they are sure of their desitny and need, the better.

Hugs,
TS Jamie

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Originally Posted by justatransgirl

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Originally Posted by Vala_TS

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Originally Posted by SarahG

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Originally Posted by eviltwin585

I hope that most ppl, especially those barely in their twenties, limit their transitions to reversible cosmetic surgeries for a while first.

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I don't intend to be mean but that's the argument/statement that is routinely used in the medical fields to try to prevent young trans patients from transitioning.

Alot of people will say the "just don't let them do anything that can't be reversed" argument/thought without putting any thought into it.

Nothing that can't be reversed? Under that logic no hrt for anyone in their "early 20s" (or earlier I am assuming) since long term that can lead to sterilization.

It is precisely those sentiments that have gotten some parents over the years in legal trouble for letting their kids (minors) start hrt before 16/18/21/whatever other arbitrary number.

I have known medical professionals who think it should be illegal to let anyone under 35 transistion because "they're just little kids that don't know what they want" (as if that's part of the equation?).

For a girl that is sterile from hrt, been on it for years etc, there is no legitimate reason for keeping orchis out of medical reach or playing the "we need X amount of letters" type games since the procedure 1- isn't gonna make the patient any more sterile, 2- hrt is safer at the lower dosages one can take after an orchi (or srs), considering that we're on hrt for all extensive purposes for life- it just "makes more sense" for a patient who needs/wants an orchi.

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No one under 35 should transition? Do some people actually think that is a good idea? That is a really bad one and I hope they never approve it, not only would it lead to a lot more suicides and depression, it's bad enough that the hormones and such are restricted without "proper" counciling and such. Just give people what they want/need. I'm sure there are a lot of TS's that get rejected for no reason.Vala,

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I will agree with Sarah and Vala. The arguments used by the medical community in large part are wrong. This is one of the primary problems within the trans community, a significant lack of understanding by the "gatekeepers."

That said, as a Dominatrix (sometimes) I have on occasion (quite a few occasions actually) had people contact me with some really strange requests. I've had guys (meaning people who identify as men) want me to help them get on hormones for fetish purposes. One even wanted me to "force" him to have a sex change.

These are the kinds of people the SOC are designed to protect. People who may be exploring fetish fantasies to the point of reality. Unfortunately it hurts the rest of us.

As to when someone should transition. If I'd felt I could transition when I first figured out what was up my life would have been markedly different. But I felt pressured by society back in the 70's to "be a man" so I really tried. Until I reached the point where I'd rather have been dead than to "be a man" one more day. And then I transitioned.

Fortunately I'm in a position to help my partner realize her needs at an age when hormones and surgeries will make a difference in her life. And hopefully to offer some advice to others when I can.

She was able to catch and begin to change things when she was young enough that she can live her life as the woman she is and be 100% passable in any situation short of full nudity, and many if not most transgirls have to ask if she's a GG or not.

So yes - the earlier people can go on hormones - once they are sure of their desitny and need, the better.

Hugs,
TS Jamie

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The whole logic is filled with nothing but fallacies. Just because there are some crazy people out there that will hurt themselves with something, doesn't mean we should go and limit access to it to the general population.

Think of all the stuff we'd have to make illegal or controlled under the argument of "well some crazy person could do ____[fill in the blank] with it!"

A crazy person could stab themselves in the eye with a screwdriver, that doesn't mean we should be required to get psy evaluations to buy screwdrivers.

Ok, I get that the drugs used in hrt require a prescription so some medical professional, on some level, has to make a judgment call on rather or not to write the slip- this I am not debating, however that reality does not mean that hrt should be kept out of the hands of, say people in their late teens, or that someone needs to go through the BS you'll find in most universal health care systems (like in the UK) to "get through the process"

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Personally I question rather or not we really even need a prescription based system for most of the drugs that we over regulate in our system... western governments are addicted (almost in a clinical sense) to over regulation, especially in certain fields. It doesn't take a specialist to notice how much of a joke the FDA is, and how political it can be.
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