Originally Posted by MacShreach
Hi Peggy, nice to meet you and I see you have another of your thought-provokers there.
IIRC that site has been around a long while--two years at least--but frequently goes tits-up when its bandwidth gets overloaded--probably whenever someone posts a link to it on sites like this.
Although its tone is excessively shrill and defensive I basically think the article is on the money and reflects the attitude of a significant number of men who post here. They are indeed seeking to be sodomised and dominated by a person with a uniquely male characteristic, a dick, without ever having to admit that they are as queer as nine-bob notes.
However there are also men here who freely admit they are either gay or bisexual and seem to be relaxed with it. I do take some contention with the notion that "tranny chasers" as defined in the article are automatically psychopathic and will go on to become sex criminals; for most men this whole thing never gets past the fantasy stage. Nevertheless I do think such men would have to be treated with great caution, especially by any transsexual woman they were sexually involved with.
I think transsexual women are often in a very lonely position, particularly if they are pre-op, especially when they encounter men who do not want to practise sex that reinforces their femininity-- ie they want to be buggered by them. It is clear that pre-op escorts frequently lie to their customers; a significant number will only perform acts of penetration for money and if asked privately and anonymously in the context of a journalistic interview will say they do it for cash but they would never do it in love. When these girls go post-op they often, unsurprisingly, steer well clear of the type of men who were formerly their clients.
However there is still the issue to be dealt with, for the post-op woman, that at least for the foreseeable future, a man having a relationship with such al woman voluntarily foregoes one of the biggest reinforcements of maleness there is, fatherhood, unless the man is older and has already achieved this.
Furthermore the language used amongst such men and current on sites like this, terms such as "topping" and "bottoming" are straight out of the gay lexicon. I never, ever heard a genetic woman describe herself or even be described as "a bottom" (although it is possible that within the lesbian world there are usages I don't know about.) Why therefore would a transsexual woman want to have such terms applied to her? She is a woman, and words like "top" and "bottom" in this context are part of gay male language.
It is also very clear that a good many "transsexuals" working in the sex industry are not women at all but simply gay men who have adopted the garb of femininity to the extent of changing their bodies. Naturally the business of gay sex with other men is not an issue for them. I must admit this was something I was really unprepared for when I began looking into this area closely. I can understand why genuinely transsexual woman want to distance themselves from people like that, although often I find the tone used by some transsexual women is too strident. Gender and sexuality are very broad churches and there is no black and white, only shades of grey. Whatever turns you on turns you on and nobody should be judgemental about consensual sex acts.
However, having said all that, there are clearly also pre-op TS women who are genuinely women who do like to use their penises in a penetrative manner yet who are determined to have GRS as soon as they can afford it. I believe this is an extention of role-play in that, as women, they are turned on by their unique ability to transform themselves from the female, penetrated, role to the male penetrating role. That must be a pretty powerful sexual hit, and indeed I have spoken to several girls who have said exactly that.
I am personally quite boring sexually, though I try hard to make it entertaining (I am a man who likes to penetrate women) but I think I can see how it might be that some men--often quite powerful, dominant men--might be turned on by being forcefully taken. I can also see how such a man might be thilled by this but unable, because of his normal dominance, to do it with someone he identified as another man. Enter the TS. Nadia has made some good comments on this recently.
Unfortunately, and to return to the article, the problem with this is that the woman is objectified-- she just becomes whatever pretty shape is pushing the penis, and judging by some of the views routinely expressed here, she doesn't have to be that pretty, as long as the dick is up to the task.
I think it's tough enough for genetic women to deal with that kind of objectification and they at least have a few real anchor-points to hold on to; for a transsexual woman, particularly a pre-op, this must be quite difficult; after all they are trying to establish a self-identity that in general society does not want them to have and also have to literally fight their bodies to get there.
It's a shame because in fact some women who have become women, whether or not they retain the elements of their anatomy that are in question here, are amongst the smartest, most fascinating, strong and genuinely funny women, for that matter people, I have ever met or communicated with. I guess you just don't go through all that stuff without developing strength of character.
Now I do realise that there will be indignant howls of pique from the knob-jockeys who will cry that this is retrograde, that the world has no need of definitions like "gay" or "straight," and to an extent I sympathise with them. But that's just cause I'm a sympathetic person and having to take a cold hard reality check can be tough.