attn grooby

[adfan]

excessive photo shopping on your sites is annoying. if I wanna see cartoon porn I will check out anime.

[GroobySteven]

Thanks for letting us know your opinion.
We actually re-touch most of the sites content quite lightly. Why don't you show us the ones that are annoying you the most, and I'll show you the original.

[dunkiex]

I agree. Too much. You compare pictures of old with pictures now in many sites, it is like looking at Playboy. I want to see the natural color of the skin of these ladies. It makes them so much more real and sexy.

[GroobySteven]

I agree. Too much. You compare pictures of old with pictures now in many sites, it is like looking at Playboy. I want to see the natural color of the skin of these ladies. It makes them so much more real and sexy.

Post the photos you have an issue with from the US sites, I'll show the originals.

[Jimmy W]

Not a comment specific to Grooby, but I would cast my vote firmly against photoshop in the Hefner style by all means.

[Ben in LA]

Still waiting on the "overly photoshopped" photos in question

[GroobySteven]

Not a comment specific to Grooby, but I would cast my vote firmly against photoshop in the Hefner style by all means.

Agreed I hate them. SMC do their shoots like this. We retouch all photos but mainly for color correction, each photo is looked at and we'll remove bad blemishes but they're pretty lightly retouched.

[MrFanti]

I hope I don't cause too much trouble with this post - but it appears to me that some of the recent (1-2 years) Black TGirls images have a bit extensive post-processing.....

[dunkiex]

I concur. The women are all beautiful, but there are times where the beauty of the women is hidden by the photoshopping, especially in Black Tgirls. I can't take Frank's Tgirls due to the style of the pictures. This is my observation. Due as you want with it. I enjoy your sites, but do miss the simplicity of the photos shooting from earlier years.

[GroobySteven]

Still waiting for examples from any of you?

The photography has changed over the years from one guy with a simple point and click, scanning and no retouching to shooting with professional lighting, makeup, great cameras and better photographers. I stand by the fact that we do very little retouching from the original photos.

[christianxxx]

i just photoshop myself because i am old haha

[dunkiex]

I think we are saying that that natural look of the ladies is lost through the method that the pictures are taken/developed/whatever. It is simply feedback and not meant to be disrespectful.

[GroobySteven]

I think we are saying that that natural look of the ladies is lost through the method that the pictures are taken/developed/whatever. It is simply feedback and not meant to be disrespectful.


I understand that but it's hard to give fair comments back from my side - or look at who is doing the editing on each item to look and show originals. There isn't much I can do about the photographers, they make the girls look the best and if that's how they look in front of the camera on that day, then good for them. At least if I see samples, I can point out what we have/haven't done. I have over 44 sets a week come across my desk, I rarely look at everything.

I'll pull some raw photos and show the edited ones.

[Rcrxjlb]

Has this one been touched up
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[GroobySteven]

Has this one been touched up
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At the least it's been put through a filter to sharpen parts and smooth out the skin, which is why it's not got a lot of skin texture in her stomach area.

[bigkid69]

Personally, I don't have a problem with any of the photography.

[gmb]

It's part of the fabric nowadays,
I dabble in photography and personally retouch my pics with only dodging and burning, but it's incredibly labor intensive.
There is no time for this in a professional company, so plug-ins are used.
Whether they are used to season, or detract, is up to the person using the program...

[GroobySteven]

Casey Kisses - before and after retouching.

[GroobySteven]

Kendall Dreams before and after (note implant scar removed)

[Ecstatic]

One of the keys here is pre-production vs. post-production. It's easy to say "we can fix it in Photoshop," but in fact consider if it takes just two minutes per photo to retouch, as for instance to remove basic blemishes (pimples and other small marks). If there are 130 photos in the set, that's 260 minutes in retouching (doing nothing but two minutes per photo--no bathroom breaks, phone calls, etc.). That's over four hours of work. On the other hand, if the model has good make-up before the shoot to correct these areas prior to shooting, that time is not lost, and the photos will not require the retouching. The best retouching is color correction: open the RAW or JPEG as RAW in Photoshop, set a preset for the color temperature and white balance of the set, save the preset, then open as many photos in RAW as you want and apply the preset to all. You can quickly review each photo to fine tune, open in Photoshop and run your steps to save (add watermark, etc.). If there are no or few reasons to actually retouch (alter the details of the photo such as blemishes, scars, etc.), then the process is very quick.

So my point is to avoid "we can fix it in Photoshop (post-production)" as much as possible with proper make-up and lighting before shooting.

[MrFanti]

Still waiting for examples from any of you?

The photography has changed over the years from one guy with a simple point and click, scanning and no retouching to shooting with professional lighting, makeup, great cameras and better photographers. I stand by the fact that we do very little retouching from the original photos.

Steven,
First off, thanks for your participation! :-)

LoL I needed an excuse to get another subscription to BlackTgirls - so I will get one this week, and post some similar & comparative images.

[gmb]

Looks like only black and white points were corrected in those pics.
(Actually, I like the shadow detail in the first pic better...)

[MrFanti]

Steven,
Looks like things started changing around 2012/2013

[Michelle Firestone]

The people LOVE zits

[youngblood61]

Casey Kisses - before and after retouching.She's HOT!

[MrFanti]

The people LOVE zits
No.
I'm an amateur sports photographer and I've touched up many faces during post-processing. What I'm seeing is a waxy skin look that make the models appear more like mannequins in wax museum.

This is not the case with every Grooby site and photographer.

What *appears* to be happening to me is that in some shoots, the images appear to have been shot in JPEG and not in RAW. Consequently, the JPEG imaging in-body camera software is applying extensive noise reduction to the point where skin looks waxy.

On a bit of a side note, this is a big discussion issue of Fuji cameras with the XTRANS Sensor when shooting in JPEG mode vs RAW

[MrFanti]

Update: I should add that shooting in RAW doesn't eliminate the issue either. When I shoot events at ISO 6400, I have to be very cognizant of my post-processing noise reduction lest the same thing happen to me!

Anyways Steven, VERY MUCH appreciate you listening - as I'm thoroughly aware that you don't have to at all! :-)

[dreamon]

There's pictures of hot naked chicks and you people are analyzing the contrast of the image?

[crystalsopen]

There's pictures of hot naked chicks and you people are analyzing the contrast of the image?

Some people really like to get anal.

Also, I am one of these people. ;)

[MrFanti]

There's pictures of hot naked chicks and you people are analyzing the contrast of the image?

No, I'm not looking at contrast - I'm looking at noise reduction - and I'm a subscribed member of 3 sites at the moment.

That being said, I've tried to be as constructive and polite as I can rather than a complainer who hasn't paid for a site.

[Ben in LA]

There's pictures of hot naked chicks and you people are analyzing the contrast of the image?

When you take lots of pictures, one tends to notice stuff like that. It happens to every photographer.

[dreamon]

When you take lots of pictures, one tends to notice stuff like that. It happens to every photographer.

Yeah, I'm mostly joking around.

[tiger4u]

Casey Kisses - before and after retouching.

Wow! What a banana!:banana:

[nysprod]

Kendall Dreams before and after (note implant scar removed)

The glare on her forehead and nose takes away from the quality imo