The TS Jessy Dubai Case

[Nikka]

I will publish here the link to her funding campaign....

more info is coming soon... if u have her link publish it here in this thread

donations, email Jessy to: Jessydubai698 @ gmail.com

[tacocorp]

https://twitter.com/tsjessy

:(

[Ben in LA]

Saw that...damn shame.

[chupapau]

The idea of this so called "feminist" lobby to try and wipe out prostitution by linking it constantly to human trafficking is as despicable and populist as Farage and Trump. As my 79 year old mother always says : "thank god for the working girls, there would be a lot more divorces and raping it they didn't step in to do the dirty work".

[tacocorp]

https://www.generosity.com/fundraising/support-jessy

[notdrunk]

The idea of this so called "feminist" lobby to try and wipe out prostitution by linking it constantly to human trafficking is as despicable and populist as Farage and Trump. As my 79 year old mother always says : "thank god for the working girls, there would be a lot more divorces and raping it they didn't step in to do the dirty work".

In Colorado, prostitution is a misdemeanor. It becomes a felony if she is hiv+. She is facing multiple charges from an incident. It is kind of odd that she hasn't stated what charges because that information is public record. If you knew her real name, you can probably find out the charges.

[dakota87]

In Colorado, prostitution is a misdemeanor. It becomes a felony if she is hiv+. She is facing multiple charges from an incident. It is kind of odd that she hasn't stated what charges because that information is public record. If you knew her real name, you can probably find out the charges.

her Twitter indicates that the charges involve human trafficking. She was saying it was a case of guilt by association.

[notdrunk]

her Twitter indicates that the charges involve human trafficking. She was saying it was a case of guilt by association.

Right; however, she is facing multiple charges. What are the other charges? She is expecting people to donate money. It is kinda of foolish to donate without knowing what happened. What is her story and what is the police story?

[lifeisfiction]

Does anyone have any more information about what happen? I am having some trouble piecing together the facts. Then again I have been up for over 48 hours with little sleep so maybe I just missed something in my ignorance.

[chupapau]

Does anyone have any more information about what happen? ........

Right; however, she is facing multiple charges. What are the other charges? ....

Nikka dear, without wanting to start a whole trial of details here (god forbid) could you be Jessy's best defense lawyer and give us a resume of what the community should be dealing with?

[Ben in LA]

If you knew her real name, you can probably find out the charges.
Where would you look? For the charges that is?

[notdrunk]

Where would you look? For the charges that is?

Usually a court system's website. You can search for cases on those websites. Which also means you need to know where she is facing the charges. Since she said Colorado, the search is narrow.

[bigkid69]

Usually "Human Trafficking", when in reference to prostitution, means "pimping". I have no idea what the charges are against her but I have seen escorts get busted and face these kind of charges if they were traveling with other girls. All it takes is one of the other girls say to the police "I gave so and so a cut because she drove me around" boom, human trafficking and guilt by association. Now I'm not saying this is the case with Jessy but it does happen.

[tao1kiku]

Police do have a tendency of throwing many charges at a person in the hopes that one will eventually stick and achieve a conviction. And convictions are like little gold stars in a police officer's and DA's personal records

[ElectricWoody]

Gosh, does this have anything to do with the 420 Festival in Denver.

[Post Op Preferred]

Right; however, she is facing multiple charges. What are the other charges? She is expecting people to donate money. It is kinda of foolish to donate without knowing what happened. What is her story and what is the police story?

It would be ill-advised for Jessi to tell her story online, since that would be admissible in Court against her and therefore damaging to her defense. It might even be consifdered a 5th amendment waiver. Anyone else with knowledge of the specifics would be inviting an unwelcome inquiry from the prosecutor and, if they failed to cooperate, an obstruction of justice charge if they commented. While charges are pending, the less said by the defendant, the better

[nysprod]

It would be ill-advised for Jessi to tell her story online, since that would be admissible in Court against her and therefore damaging to her defense. It might even be consifdered a 5th amendment waiver. Anyone else with knowledge of the specifics would be inviting an unwelcome inquiry from the prosecutor and, if they failed to cooperate, an obstruction of justice charge if they commented. While charges are pending, the less said by the defendant, the better

She can say what the police charged her with

[notdrunk]

It would be ill-advised for Jessi to tell her story online, since that would be admissible in Court against her and therefore damaging to her defense. It might even be consifdered a 5th amendment waiver. Anyone else with knowledge of the specifics would be inviting an unwelcome inquiry from the prosecutor and, if they failed to cooperate, an obstruction of justice charge if they commented. While charges are pending, the less said by the defendant, the better

But she hopes that people will donate over $30,000 to help her. It is really strange that she would start a donation campaign without explaining the case.

[sherm13]

I cant see how people are expected to donate $30,000 grand for someone who states she is arrested for multiple charges and claims innocence without explaining any of the actual offences she is being accused of doing.

Of all the reasons to donate for a cause, this isnt one of them, not now anyway. Sorry.

[ElectricWoody]

Can I see a copy of your Tax Return before I donate. Its very important. And on another note, aren't you rich. This issue has been going on since last year for everyones info. Why now.

[Nikka]

https://www.generosity.com/fundraising/support-jessy

this is it

[CaptainPlanet]

Can I see a copy of your Tax Return before I donate. Its very important. And on another note, aren't you rich. This issue has been going on since last year for everyones info. Why now.

Rich i doubt, but she does do well with content, and escorting i believe. From the numbers most of these LA girls throw around she should be able to make that in 1-2 months.

[holzz]

she's arrested?? wow...:(

the john must have had a two incher, penis envy when he saw her...:)

[holzz]

i have immense respect for Jessy's work and body, but can't she afford $30,000? she's been active as a top line porn star for a little while.

[GroobySteven]

i have immense respect for Jessy's work and body, but can't she afford $30,000? she's been active as a top line porn star for a little while.


I've wrote about this a bunch of times - in short, No. Transsexual models/pornstars don't usually have $30,000 sitting in the bank. Did she do 20 scenes last year? 30? 40? At $800-$1200 a scene, she's clearly not making enough to have that amount of money.

[GroobySteven]

Rich i doubt, but she does do well with content, and escorting i believe. From the numbers most of these LA girls throw around she should be able to make that in 1-2 months.

Really? You must know more girls then I do, as I've never heard of that.

[Nikka]

Rich i doubt, but she does do well with content, and escorting i believe. From the numbers most of these LA girls throw around she should be able to make that in 1-2 months.

$30,000 in 1 month?

[CaptainPlanet]

I've wrote about this a bunch of times - in short, No. Transsexual models/pornstars don't usually have $30,000 sitting in the bank.

Thats kind of sad, no wonder so many quit early on. That kind of exposure for little pay is definitely not worth it.

[Nikka]

Thats kind of sad, no wonder so many quit early on. That kind of exposure for little pay is definitely not worth it.

tell me a better job for a tranny and please don´t tell me prostitution

[GroobySteven]

Thats kind of sad, no wonder so many quit early on. That kind of exposure for little pay is definitely not worth it.

I'm not sure if I know that many people with $30k sitting in the bank?

[Lester316]

Can I see a copy of your Tax Return before I donate. Its very important. And on another note, aren't you rich. This issue has been going on since last year for everyones info. Why now.

Now because now is when the thread was started here asking for money. Seems logical that people would want to know at least a little before donating anyhow - one idea of charity is that you know what you give is used responsibly, if you don't know what for sort of defeats the object.

[Wendy Summers]

tell me a better job for a tranny and please don´t tell me prostitution

There are jobs, but it requires a privileged background that affords ample educational opportunities early in life and the luck of the draw to not encounter bigoted assholes as you transition.

Sadly, as you point out, those two criteria are out of reach of many transsexuals.

[Stavros]

At the root of this case is the growth of the argument that nobody chooses to be a sex worker, and that they must therefore have a pimp, or be a victim of human trafficking. Across the USA states are adopting the 'Nordic Model' that makes it a criminal offence to buy and sell sex, with Federal money allocated that encourages law enforcement to take a 'pro-active' view of sex work as illegal work, from entrapment to summary arrest and harassment, including LE officers lying in court. Vice.com has produced a readable but depressing account of the 'sex work is human trafficking' issue in New York here-
http://www.vice.com/read/sex-workers-and-the-city-0000550-v22n1

Without making a specific reference to the case of Jessy Dubai, there is a paradox here, because on the one hand Colorado scores highly as an LGBTQIAP-friendly state based on issues of human rights, employment, and incidences of hate crime, but is also a state where it is illegal to buy or sell sex, and where the aggressive prosecution of sex workers fits in with the 'sex work is human trafficking' argument.

In 2015 the US government allocated $44m to combat human trafficking in 16 locations across the USA; Colorado received $750,000 to provide 'Comprehensive Services for Victims of Human Trafficking Program', and the city of Denver received $599,495 for 'specialized services' meaning court and probation services for 'male and female juveniles with a focus on LGBTQ trafficking victims'.
The Department of Justice press release is here-
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/attorney-general-lynch-announces-44-million-grant-funding-combat-human-trafficking-and

-The list of locations and services allocated Federal funding is in this pdf-
http://ojp.gov/newsroom/pdfs/HT_Full_Chart_V.3.pdf

I don't believe anyone who contributes to Hung Angels would ever condone human trafficking of any kind, but surely it is the responsibility of law enforcement to prove that a person charged has indeed engaged in human trafficking. For those caught up in the legal process, as the vice.com article above shows, innocence does not prevent the accused suffering from tremendous emotional stress, while the costs of that legal process make the concept of 'Justice' appear hollow to those who are indeed innocent.

The law in Colorado-
http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/prostitution-laws-colorado.htm

[lifeisfiction]

We still don't know what the charges are, and until then it doesn't make sense arguing about something no one knows about. If you want to donate that is fine, I do think it is fair for people donating to know why. Also, prostitution generally doesn't carry a maximum 20 year sentence by itself.

[nysprod]

There are jobs, but it requires a privileged background that affords ample educational opportunities early in life and the luck of the draw to not encounter bigoted assholes as you transition.

Sadly, as you point out, those two criteria are out of reach of many transsexuals.

I'm not saying this to titillate, to provide fodder for sex flicks, or anything of the kind...but she should hope one of her bloodsucking atty's is looking for that thing she got and use it to her advantage.

[Lovecox]

There are jobs, but it requires a privileged background that affords ample educational opportunities early in life and the luck of the draw to not encounter bigoted assholes as you transition.

Sadly, as you point out, those two criteria are out of reach of many transsexuals.

It makes me happy to say that I personally know, or have seen working, trans women who have "regular" jobs like anyone else outside of the sex industry: an attorney; a paralegal; a salesperson at Home Depot; a salesperson at IKEA; 2 who work at the makeup dept in Macy's; a hairdresser; a parking lot attendant; a maid at a hotel; and one who works at Starbucks. I live in Los Angeles and maybe there is more tolerance here but most of these jobs do not require a privileged background that affords ample educational opportunities early in life nor the luck of the draw. However, they do require consistency, punctuality, patience, the tolerance to work with others, and the desire to blend into the mainstream. I recognize that not all TS women may want those things.

[nysprod]

However, they do require consistency, punctuality, patience, the tolerance to work with others, and the desire to blend into the mainstream. I recognize that not all TS women may want those things.

So easy to be all elitist with too many of these kids getting thrown out by their families like so much garbage

[Post Op Preferred]

I don't know if there is a connection, but this article may relate to Jessi's case. Your federal tax dollars at work
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/marijuana/5-kids-rescued-35-adults-arrested-in-sex-trafficking-sting-during-world-cannabis-week-in-colorado
Note, most of the arrests mentioned in this article were for prostitution. Great use of FBI resources in the weeks leading to Orlando. Way to go, FBBi's.

[nysprod]

I don't know if there is a connection, but this article may relate to Jessi's case. Your federal tax dollars at work
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/marijuana/5-kids-rescued-35-adults-arrested-in-sex-trafficking-sting-during-world-cannabis-week-in-colorado
Note, most of the arrests mentioned in this article were for prostitution. Great use of FBI resources in the weeks leading to Orlando. Way to go, FBBi's.

Wait, you're pissed about FBI busting these child predators?

[PotatoParty]

Well everything about this is strange to say the very least. She says she's being targeted because she is a porn star and because she is trans. She says she went from being "fine" to over $75,000 in debt within 3 days. She said her man posted bail of 40k for her. No idea where the other 35k of debt came from. She says she is looking at 20 to life one time then later she says 25 to life later...maybe a simple mistake. She says she has a public defender and the case is going before a grand jury at some point.

I don't know what the hell the other charges could be but judge's don't set $40,000 bonds just because you are a ts porn star. I just googled $40,000 bond Colorado and the cases you get are bank robbery, drug distribution (meth, coke), child porn, child sexual abuse, and negligent child abuse resulting in death.

[bigkid69]

I don't know if there is a connection, but this article may relate to Jessi's case. Your federal tax dollars at work
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/marijuana/5-kids-rescued-35-adults-arrested-in-sex-trafficking-sting-during-world-cannabis-week-in-colorado
Note, most of the arrests mentioned in this article were for prostitution. Great use of FBI resources in the weeks leading to Orlando. Way to go, FBBi's.

Really? A guy was arrested for attempting to "buy" a 7 year old and you are upset with this? I think prostitution should be legal as much as the next guy but 7 year olds? Like it or not, prostitution is illegal and who are we to question who should be investigated or not.

None of us know the facts of Jessy's case but if she was arrested for human trafficking, it could be as simple as she gave a girl a ride or she was paying for a hotel room for another girl.

[BostonBad]

People need to let the free market system work. Banning prostitution is an example of big government and unintended consequences. Isn't it our bodies and we have the right to choose?

[GroobySteven]

People need to let the free market system work. Banning prostitution is an example of big government and unintended consequences. Isn't it our bodies and we have the right to choose?

Which is fine when those individuals have made that choice for themselves and not been coerced or forced into it.

[Post Op Preferred]

To quote directly (with emphasis added) from the article, "Of the adults arrested, nine were arrested for trafficking and 26 were arrested for prostitution, the FBI said."
I commend the FBI for arresting the perv who solicited the 7 year old, and as far as I'm concerned they can cut off his dick and balls and feed them to the dogs. But why is the FBI using this useful endeavor as a pretext for running stings to bust hookers, possibly including Jessi?
As others have noted, human trafficking laws are vague and over broad, and have become a tool of choice in the Feminazi's war on prostitution.
this bust produced both a good outcome, taking Denver resident James Brent Anderson out of circulation, and some bad ones for the 26 escorts.
It leaves me feeling that we have another "War on Drugs" in the making, with Jessi as one of its victims. And look how that war turned out. World beating incarceration rates, wholesale havoc in minority communities, and a drug problem which has metastasized into the white middle classes.
As Sherman said, Wars are hell. Hobbyists, you could be next on the firing line.

[lifeisfiction]

Bail is at the discretion of the court and sometimes it is not correlated to the crime. Flight risk and/or continuous danger to the community are the determining factors at a bail hearing. $40,000 or $100,000 it doesn't matter, there is really no guideline to the amount made in bail. In addition, when your are arrested you can be held 24-48 hours before you have a bail hearing. Failure to do so can result in you being free to go. So with those factors, there is not much to go on unless you know what she has been charged with.

[christianxxx]

It makes me happy to say that I personally know, or have seen working, trans women who have "regular" jobs like anyone else outside of the sex industry: an attorney; a paralegal; a salesperson at Home Depot; a salesperson at IKEA; 2 who work at the makeup dept in Macy's; a hairdresser; a parking lot attendant; a maid at a hotel; and one who works at Starbucks. I live in Los Angeles and maybe there is more tolerance here but most of these jobs do not require a privileged background that affords ample educational opportunities early in life nor the luck of the draw. However, they do require consistency, punctuality, patience, the tolerance to work with others, and the desire to blend into the mainstream. I recognize that not all TS women may want those things.

um all of those jobs you named are low paying jobs where it would be next to impossible to have 30k sitting around in the bank which is the point of what nikka, steven, and wendy were saying.

[MrFanti]

It makes me happy to say that I personally know, or have seen working, trans women who have "regular" jobs like anyone else outside of the sex industry: an attorney; a paralegal;

Attorney & paralegal = great news! :cool:

[notdrunk]

To quote directly (with emphasis added) from the article, "Of the adults arrested, nine were arrested for trafficking and 26 were arrested for prostitution, the FBI said."
I commend the FBI for arresting the perv who solicited the 7 year old, and as far as I'm concerned they can cut off his dick and balls and feed them to the dogs. But why is the FBI using this useful endeavor as a pretext for running stings to bust hookers, possibly including Jessi?
As others have noted, human trafficking laws are vague and over broad, and have become a tool of choice in the Feminazi's war on prostitution.
this bust produced both a good outcome, taking Denver resident James Brent Anderson out of circulation, and some bad ones for the 26 escorts.
It leaves me feeling that we have another "War on Drugs" in the making, with Jessi as one of its victims. And look how that war turned out. World beating incarceration rates, wholesale havoc in minority communities, and a drug problem which has metastasized into the white middle classes.
As Sherman said, Wars are hell. Hobbyists, you could be next on the firing line.

Prostitution in Colorado is a misdemeanor. Again, she is facing multiple charges including one charge that is a felony. We have no clue what those charges are except "human trafficking". If it is human trafficking, there is another person involved. So, it isn't simple prostitution. Jessi might not be a victim. TS "stars" have fallen to the dark side before. For example, Sylvia Boots murdered somebody and Sheeba Starr killed somebody in a car crash while she fled the police.

[PotatoParty]

um all of those jobs you named are low paying jobs where it would be next to impossible to have 30k sitting around in the bank which is the point of what nikka, steven, and wendy were saying.

True, but she also said she went from being fine to 75k in debt in 3 days. No idea what her financial situation is or what is actually going on, but she wasn't completely lacking resources.

[Post Op Preferred]

Here is the Colorado statute on human trafficking18-3-501. Trafficking in adults. (1) A person commits trafficking in adults if he
or she:
(a) Sells, exchanges, barters, or leases an adult and receives any money or other consideration or thing of value for the adult as a result of such transaction; or (b) Receives an adult as a result of a transaction described in paragraph (a) of this subsection (1). ]
(2) As used in this section, "adult" means a person eighteen years of age or older.
(3) Trafficking in adults is a class 3 felony unless the adult or adults who have been trafficked are illegally present in the United States, in which case trafficking in
Colorado Revised Statutes 2013 Title 18 247
adults is a class 2 felony.
So the state claims Jessi received something of value in exchange for arranging some P4P. So does the player on the opposite side of the transaction. So hobbyists, beware.
Prosecutors routinely overcharge defendants to squeeze them for plea bargains and or to snitch.
since this very broad statute used aggressively is a threat to everyone in the game, it behooves this board to support Jessi's defense

[lifeisfiction]

Here is the Colorado statute on human trafficking18-3-501. Trafficking in adults. (1) A person commits trafficking in adults if he
or she:
(a) Sells, exchanges, barters, or leases an adult and receives any money or other consideration or thing of value for the adult as a result of such transaction; or (b) Receives an adult as a result of a transaction described in paragraph (a) of this subsection (1). ]
(2) As used in this section, "adult" means a person eighteen years of age or older.
(3) Trafficking in adults is a class 3 felony unless the adult or adults who have been trafficked are illegally present in the United States, in which case trafficking in
Colorado Revised Statutes 2013 Title 18 247
adults is a class 2 felony.
So the state claims Jessi received something of value in exchange for arranging some P4P. So does the player on the opposite side of the transaction. So hobbyists, beware.
Prosecutors routinely overcharge defendants to squeeze them for plea bargains and or to snitch.
since this very broad statute used aggressively is a threat to everyone in the game, it behooves this board to support Jessi's defense

I know the urge is to think it may be something that is not there. It is better to just wait. Time will give a better clarity to the situation nor should we speculate with this very vague and sparse information. I don't know how you come to the conclusion of what happened, since there is little facts to indicate what crime she was alleged committing. If you have more information than what she vaguely shared we would be willing to listen. Until then, we don't know. It becomes dangerous to make an assumption with little to no information.

[Post Op Preferred]

I know the urge is to think it may be something that is not there. It is better to just wait. Time will give a better clarity to the situation nor should we speculate with this very vague and sparse information. I don't know how you come to the conclusion of what happened, since there is little facts to indicate what crime she was alleged committing. If you have more information than what she vaguely shared we would be willing to listen. Until then, we don't know. It becomes dangerous to make an assumption with little to no information.
I am not asserting any conclusion about her guilt or innocence other than that we can reasonable infer the basic outline of the State's trafficking charge by examining the applicable statute.
the facts of the case will be determined in court. it would be very counterproductive for Jessi or any witnesses to elaborate here since they could be used in court, and could even waive the 5th amendment against self incrimination.
Patience is not going to pay for her lawyer. The State's power over defendants is intimidating and coercive. the presumption of innocence has value only if the defendant backs it up with a vigorous defense. that's all that she's asking. I am stunned by the lack of sympathy for her on this board, since any participant in P4P is vulnerable. If you are tarring Jessi with the guilt of the guy who wanted the 7 yo you are mistaken. trafficking in persons under 18 is a separate and more serious crime.

[Nikka]

I see a new movie of Jessy Dubai on www.shemale.xxx :)

[lifeisfiction]

I am not asserting any conclusion about her guilt or innocence other than that we can reasonable infer the basic outline of the State's trafficking charge by examining the applicable statute.
the facts of the case will be determined in court. it would be very counterproductive for Jessi or any witnesses to elaborate here since they could be used in court, and could even waive the 5th amendment against self incrimination.
Patience is not going to pay for her lawyer. The State's power over defendants is intimidating and coercive. the presumption of innocence has value only if the defendant backs it up with a vigorous defense. that's all that she's asking. I am stunned by the lack of sympathy for her on this board, since any participant in P4P is vulnerable. If you are tarring Jessi with the guilt of the guy who wanted the 7 yo you are mistaken. trafficking in persons under 18 is a separate and more serious crime.

You didn't read what I wrote. I wanted to know how do you know what she is being charged with? I haven't heard anything beyond a vague statement by her.

[housekeeper]

So regardless, you hope for the best, you wish her the best, and keep jerking off to her movies.

[horsehead]

I enjoy her movies and I genuinely feel bad that she has to go through all of this, but I am not donating a dime until I know what's going on... I would like to help but until she is forthcoming I will hold off on giving anything!

[PotatoParty]

I see she moved her tweets to protected now.

[Nikka]

I see she moved her tweets to protected now.

I know a girl in the UK in a process of a trial and she is protected as well.... so everytime u mean someone with protected twitter account is not good :)

[bigkid69]

I know a girl in the UK in a process of a trial and she is protected as well.... so everytime u mean someone with protected twitter account is not good :)

I would think it falls under "Anything you say can and will be used against you." So I bet her attorney told her to ax the social media.

[lifeisfiction]

She did explain a little more about what happen. Let google cache be your friend, if you want to know more.

[Chaos]

For someone supposedly facing 25 to life, according to her reddit post, she sure seems awfully happy and carefree on Chaturbate...
Her Twitter isn't protected either...

But seriously. How do you go from being a witness to getting 25 to life?
Something just seems off about the whole thing...IMO.

[lifeisfiction]

Sadness doesn't get tokens unless I missed the memo on it being popular. . She has to be upbeat and fun. I wouldn't expect anything else (she really can put on happy face when she needs it).

[Chaos]

Sadness doesn't get tokens unless I missed the memo on it being popular. . She has to be upbeat and fun. I wouldn't expect anything else (she really can put on happy face when she needs it).

Oh,I get it. I see it when I mod there and the girls get mad and cover it up as fast as they can...I'm just saying that to me it doesn't look like a cover....I can usually see through that,but if she's really good at it, I wouldn't.

[Nikka]

she is online, so that is good news I guess... for her :)

https://es.chaturbate.com/tsjessydubai/

[holzz]

I'm not sure if I know that many people with $30k sitting in the bank?

she's been i the business for years. she has her own site with her own content.

i'm not knocking her, just surprising porn stars aren't rolling in it.

[IHEARTKALENA]

What reddit post? & what further explanation?

[bigkid69]

she's been i the business for years. she has her own site with her own content.

i'm not knocking her, just surprising porn stars aren't rolling in it.

How much money do you think porn stars make? Done correctly, I'm sure it can provide a comfortable living but I'm sure she's not rolling in it. Why do you think a lot of them turn to escorting?

[Nikka]

Why do you think a lot of them turn to escorting?

Greed

[bigkid69]

Greed

Sure, but if every porn star was rolling in money, there would be no need for any of them to escort.

[christianxxx]

Greed

not only is that pithy comment incorrect, but coming from a TS as well makes it worse.

The girls turn to escorting bc its the most money they can make in this world in order to further along their transition. FFS, rhinoplasty, hormones, butt implants, boob jobs, etc - that all costs big bucks.

Being a TS means that most of the normal corporate world is going to turn their back on you. Being a TS also means that being passable and left alone in a normal corporate or higher educational environment is almost impossible.

[Nikka]

read the message I got today ....

[nitron]

That's messed up, considering they would take most of her money . I mean , she sounds naive,, she thinks 27 is to ...ouch...it does prove your point of course.

[nysprod]

Probably a chaser getting off on the fantasy lol

[disnug]

The girls turn to escorting bc its the most money they can make in this world in order to further along their transition. FFS, rhinoplasty, hormones, butt implants, boob jobs, etc - that all costs big bucks.

THIS!

Where else are the girls going to make the $30-100K it takes to get to the level of transition that they want?
Don't forget about the laser hair removal...lol That can be between $3-7K.

[GroobySteven]

Ahem ... let's face it, it's not only to fund their transition but where else can they make that sort of money, without working 60 hrs a week in a corporation. They're using their assets, most are confident and comfortable what they're doing, their freelance/self-employed and like any job, those with the skills and talents, can do rather well.

[holzz]

How much money do you think porn stars make? Done correctly, I'm sure it can provide a comfortable living but I'm sure she's not rolling in it. Why do you think a lot of them turn to escorting?

it's a shitload of passive income. the real tops performers are millionaires, or are doing OK. Mia Isabella (retired, granted), Madison Hinton to name but two. Jessy is also top of the line, so it's surprising that she doesn't make much or cannot afford $30,000.

[GroobySteven]

it's a shitload of passive income. the real tops performers are millionaires, or are doing OK. Mia Isabella (retired, granted), Madison Hinton to name but two. Jessy is also top of the line, so it's surprising that she doesn't make much or cannot afford $30,000.

You're an idiot. Seriously, a fucking informed, ignorant and utter idiot.

[christianxxx]

it's a shitload of passive income. the real tops performers are millionaires, or are doing OK. Mia Isabella (retired, granted), Madison Hinton to name but two. Jessy is also top of the line, so it's surprising that she doesn't make much or cannot afford $30,000.

this is literally the dumbest most idiotic thing i have read in a long long long time. holy shit. do some fans truly believe this nonsense? seriously?

[CaptainPlanet]

this is literally the dumbest most idiotic thing i have read in a long long long time. holy shit. do some fans truly believe this nonsense? seriously?

From the outside looking in, thats what it appears to be. But its just not common knowledge, majority of Americans don't even know the producers are the ones that make the big money in the traditional film industry.

[Lester316]

From the outside looking in, thats what it appears to be. But its just not common knowledge, majority of Americans don't even know the producers are the ones that make the big money in the traditional film industry.

I'd argue with you there. From the outside looking in it's pretty clear that porn performers (straight/gay/Transsexual/whatever) generally appear in loads and loads of videos, aside from all the extras such as web-camming, escorting for some, appearing at strip clubs and such. If you're earning millions as suggested below you just don't do so much. Aside from all that it's the hardest time in years to make big money in porn with free tube sites stealing content and 'fans' watching it there rather than supporting the performers/producers how can we expect many of them to really rake in the cash. Movie and TV stars who earn the big bucks either shoot 2-3 films a year or star in one TV show with a large episode commitment and get paid millions for it, Tom Cruise isn't selling pics on snapchat and Jennifer Lawrence doesn't need to dance at a strip club to supplement her income. Whilst the porn industry creates a viable income for some and a very large income for a few you could probably count the millionaires on one hand I'd guess.

Perhaps the majority of watchers are just completely devoid of all common sense and can't work all that out - I can believe that.

[Wendy Summers]

Aside from all that it's the hardest time in years to make big money in porn with free tube sites stealing content and 'fans' watching it there rather than supporting the performers/producers.

A Fucking-men.

When a guy tells me he's my biggest fan, I know he's lying. I know every one of my top fans personally... my biggest fans:

1) Subscribe to my website.
2) Chat with me either by paid webcam or phone.
3) Purchase individual; clips from me.

The ONLY reason I have been making porn since 2011 is because I've had a solid enough core group of fans, who buy and make me profitable enough to keep making more.

I don't care if it's me or another model you dig... BUY the porn; PAY to see them on webcam. It's the only way we can stay in the industry.

[Lester316]

A Fucking-men.

When a guy tells me he's my biggest fan, I know he's lying. I know every one of my top fans personally... my biggest fans:

1) Subscribe to my website.
2) Chat with me either by paid webcam or phone.
3) Purchase individual; clips from me.

The ONLY reason I have been making porn since 2011 is because I've had a solid enough core group of fans, who buy and make me profitable enough to keep making more.

I don't care if it's me or another model you dig... BUY the porn; PAY to see them on webcam. It's the only way we can stay in the industry.

Thank you Wendy.

I have to admit I wish I had the sort of disposable income that allowed me to do exactly that with all the performers I like, what I won't do though is use that as an excuse to find their content for free. Right now I'm still a student and I have to pick and choose carefully what I can afford - safe to say when I'm making some real cash I'm going to do some stellar catching up - I may have to remind myself to invest in some sort of wrist support first though...

[lifeisfiction]

You can't blame people for the misconception. When people are posting about luxury items, trips on private jets, and other sort of things on social media. You would be hard press to have someone think they are not making any money. Especially when you have escorts who charge 1k hour, what in the world people are going to think. The second question people will ask if you see all these things then you wonder where does all the money go?

Not many people are familiar with the porn industry. They hear it makes billions in the media and don't much about it. Do people make money in industry, yes, but not the amount you think. Some may say people are stupid, but in reality it is what many people are told about the industry in media. What you see can be the most convincing thing.

[Lester316]

You can't blame people for the misconception. When people are posting about luxury items, trips on private jets, and other sort of things on social media. You would be hard press to have someone think they are not making any money. Especially when you have escorts who charge 1k hour, what in the world people are going to think. The second question people will ask if you see all these things then you wonder where does all the money go?

Not many people are familiar with the porn industry. They hear it makes billions in the media and don't much about it. Do people make money in industry, yes, but not the amount you think. Some may say people are stupid, but in reality it is what many people are told about the industry in media. What you see can be the most convincing thing.

All the media I've seen in recent years is about how the porn industry is slowing dying due to the rise of tube sites and 'homemade' porn. Some of your points are valid but the message being given to the public right now is porn doesn't make you much money.

[Fitzcarraldo]

Not many people are familiar with the porn industry. They hear it makes billions in the media and don't much about it. Do people make money in industry, yes, but not the amount you think. Some may say people are stupid, but in reality it is what many people are told about the industry in media. What you see can be the most convincing thing.

The performers aren't the ones making the big money--especially not the trans performers. It's the lowest-paying niche. It's yet another part of the bullshit they have to face daily.

[lifeisfiction]

All the media I've seen in recent years is about how the porn industry is slowing dying due to the rise of tube sites and 'homemade' porn. Some of your points are valid but the message being given to the public right now is porn doesn't make you much money.

Just type porn and billions and you will see what I mean. I have never heard the media discuss tube sites only the adult news media discussed it. If mass media mention illegal downloads it would be in reference to Hollywood movies and music. Porn is looked upon as lucrative and sensational regardless of people's moral views. In addition, most people just follow their favorite porn actress and that's pretty much it.

[Lester316]

Just type porn and billions and you will see what I mean. I have never heard the media discuss tube sites only the adult news media discussed it. If mass media mention illegal downloads it would be in reference to Hollywood movies and music. Porn is looked upon as lucrative and sensational regardless of people's moral views. In addition, most people just follow their favorite porn actress and that's pretty much it.

Well I could say type 'porn losing money' and you'll get plenty of hits. The point with websearching terms is that googlewhacks are rare and if you look for something you'll find it.

Anyhow in recent times I've read online articles and even seen a BBC documentary detailing how porn is struggling just as examples. They weren't adult media in the slightest and the BBC is about as mainstream as it gets.

Most people may just follow a pornstar or whatever but it is crazy to suggest that most people know whether porn is lucrative or not. The reality is most have no idea either way.

[MrFanti]

A Fucking-men.

When a guy tells me he's my biggest fan, I know he's lying. I know every one of my top fans personally... my biggest fans:

1) Subscribe to my website.
2) Chat with me either by paid webcam or phone.
3) Purchase individual; clips from me.

The ONLY reason I have been making porn since 2011 is because I've had a solid enough core group of fans, who buy and make me profitable enough to keep making more.

I don't care if it's me or another model you dig... BUY the porn; PAY to see them on webcam. It's the only way we can stay in the industry.

Preach on Wendy!
I've paid for a LOT of porn (just ask Steven Grooby LoL) over the years....but the bottom line is that if you want to see more, then get a membership!

No ifs, ands, or buts.....Why should the women produce more when folks aren't ponying up for subscriptions to the sites?

[Stavros]

Movie and TV stars who earn the big bucks either shoot 2-3 films a year or star in one TV show with a large episode commitment and get paid millions for it, Tom Cruise isn't selling pics on snapchat and Jennifer Lawrence doesn't need to dance at a strip club to supplement her income. .

As an aside, Harrison Ford was paid £10,000 for his work on the original Star Wars movie, the actor playing Chewbacca got $5,400 and the man in the Darth Vader suit got nothing at all. However, if actors on films ask for percentages of the takings, that is where they can make millions -Sir Alec Guinness, who had gone for percentages before and lost did not expect Star Wars to become such a phenomenon but is estimated to have made over $50m from his 2.25%. This is the link with the claims-
https://www.quora.com/How-much-were-the-original-actors-in-Star-Wars-paid-and-how-much-were-they-paid-for-the-latest-film

Porn is on a completely different level and cannot be compared, and I suspect Jenna Jameson probably made as much if not more money from her 'celebrity' appearances and the book How to Make Love Like a Porn Star than in the films she made-but as with porn and film and tv a lot depends on what people do with the money they earn, plenty just spend it and end up bankrupt while others invest it and do well.

[Lester316]

As an aside, Harrison Ford was paid £10,000 for his work on the original Star Wars movie, the actor playing Chewbacca got $5,400 and the man in the Darth Vader suit got nothing at all. However, if actors on films ask for percentages of the takings, that is where they can make millions -Sir Alec Guinness, who had gone for percentages before and lost did not expect Star Wars to become such a phenomenon but is estimated to have made over $50m from his 2.25%. This is the link with the claims-
https://www.quora.com/How-much-were-the-original-actors-in-Star-Wars-paid-and-how-much-were-they-paid-for-the-latest-film

Porn is on a completely different level and cannot be compared, and I suspect Jenna Jameson probably made as much if not more money from her 'celebrity' appearances and the book How to Make Love Like a Porn Star than in the films she made-but as with porn and film and tv a lot depends on what people do with the money they earn, plenty just spend it and end up bankrupt while others invest it and do well.

As an aside is referring to a film made over 30 years ago really relevant? Anyhow Harrison Ford might have only made £10,000 for his role (still crazy money to normal people) but his earnings following what was clearly a breakout performance have dwarfed that.

The real irony of it all is Guinness made so much from a role he hated and comparatively tiny amounts from roles he may have felt were more befitting of his status. Explains why Hopkins is going to be in Bay's next Transformers film though...

I wonder how many porn performers love what they do and make relatively bugger all compared to those that hate it but simply do it for the money.

[holzz]

this is literally the dumbest most idiotic thing i have read in a long long long time. holy shit. do some fans truly believe this nonsense? seriously?

Yes, i do believe it. and?

[holzz]

You're an idiot. Seriously, a fucking informed, ignorant and utter idiot.

no, it's pretty true.

[Lester316]

no, it's pretty true.

So you have two people from the industry that disagree with you... Got any evidence to support your position?

[holzz]

So you have two people from the industry that disagree with you... Got any evidence to support your position?

No. But you're an arrogant fuck, and i have no time for your asperger's-esque ramblings....haha.

[holzz]

So you have two people from the industry that disagree with you... Got any evidence to support your position?

No. But you're an arrogant fuck, and i have no time for your asperger's-esque ramblings....haha.

[Lester316]

No. But you're an arrogant fuck, and i have no time for your asperger's-esque ramblings....haha.

Wow.... Such a polite individual. I haven't sworn or insulted you in the slightest I simply wondered if you had some basis to have such a differing point of view from the 'people in the know' so to speak.

But carry on like that if you wish no doubt the ban hammer will follow if you talk to people that way.

[Lester316]

No. But you're an arrogant fuck, and i have no time for your asperger's-esque ramblings....haha.

Also I don't have asperger's. Plus I wouldn't use a developmental disorder as an insult type - quite a callous thing for someone to do as it shows a complete lack of respect for people who have to cope with such things in their daily life.

[Stavros]

As an aside is referring to a film made over 30 years ago really relevant? Anyhow Harrison Ford might have only made £10,000 for his role (still crazy money to normal people) but his earnings following what was clearly a breakout performance have dwarfed that.

The real irony of it all is Guinness made so much from a role he hated and comparatively tiny amounts from roles he may have felt were more befitting of his status. Explains why Hopkins is going to be in Bay's next Transformers film though...

I wonder how many porn performers love what they do and make relatively bugger all compared to those that hate it but simply do it for the money.

The point I was making is that it might not be the money people make from Porn or Star Wars but what it is that they do with it. I knew a cam performer in the Philippines who had a boyfriend in the Middle East who sent her $1,000 every month, which is a decent income in the PI, but as most of that was spent on her family, she had little or nothing to save. Some porn stars invest their earnings, others spend it, the assumption that they and those who escort or do both, are making good money is just that, you cannot know how much someone has benefited from one job without seeing the accounts for what is a career that may not last more than 10 years.

[Wendy Summers]

I knew a cam performer in the Philippines who had a boyfriend in the Middle East who sent her $1,000 every month,

So let me break this down for you:

1) We work in an industry where it's important to make guys desire you. Giving the impression that someone drops serious cash on you on a regular basis creates a sense of demand. There's an incentive to exaggerate the amount earned as it encourages others to spend. It also incentivizes to represent the guy's situation they are with as their own. If you're bragging about the bank you bring in.... you're probably not bringing in the bank.

2) Income like the cam model is discussing is fleeting. A high rollers interests will change over time and your income will drop like a rock. It's not sustainable income over the long run.

3) Someone else raised the issue of Luxury Items? A gift bought by someone who'd rather have a Macy's charge on their account their wife won't question.

4) Someone else raised the issue of girls who charge $1K plus per hour. That seems like a lot, but they aren't working a 40 hour week. I don't have significant insight on escorting as it's not my cup of tea, but from what I see from the girls I know do it: on average most will only see 0-1 clients a week. That's not exactly retirement money.

Are there girls who make money and squander it? Sure. But even if they didn't, they still wouldn't have a huge cash reserve to draw on.

[christianxxx]

did u say invest? i hate to tell you this but i am here to tell you that 99.9 percent of porn performers don't know what an equity account is much less have any money in it.

[lifeisfiction]

So let me break this down for you:

1) We work in an industry where it's important to make guys desire you. Giving the impression that someone drops serious cash on you on a regular basis creates a sense of demand. There's an incentive to exaggerate the amount earned as it encourages others to spend. It also incentivizes to represent the guy's situation they are with as their own. If you're bragging about the bank you bring in.... you're probably not bringing in the bank.

2) Income like the cam model is discussing is fleeting. A high rollers interests will change over time and your income will drop like a rock. It's not sustainable income over the long run.

3) Someone else raised the issue of Luxury Items? A gift bought by someone who'd rather have a Macy's charge on their account their wife won't question.

4) Someone else raised the issue of girls who charge $1K plus per hour. That seems like a lot, but they aren't working a 40 hour week. I don't have significant insight on escorting as it's not my cup of tea, but from what I see from the girls I know do it: on average most will only see 0-1 clients a week. That's not exactly retirement money.

Are there girls who make money and squander it? Sure. But even if they didn't, they still wouldn't have a huge cash reserve to draw on.

Wendy I can only agree with one of these statements and that is many people in the porn industry don't save money. They are like some athletes who burn through their money quickly and do not realize once they stop or they get older it will be harder to generate the same level of income.

1k hour girls do not have one client a week and they do have people giving them a lot of stuff. Especially if they even do the Dubai thing. There was a woman had an article in the early 2000s about her escorting and charging 10k a night (New York magazine article) the truth of the matter she was pulling in serious cash. That wasn't reported in the Magazine and media. Her and others like her were quite busy. (Crazy part, she wasn't that pretty go figure)

Women in the industry get good things and it is based on their level of success. In the last decade and a half porn has become more competitive with more women and men entering the business. To be a top or recognized performer is not very easy at all. Hell it wasn't easy in the past. Comparing a top GG performer to a top TG may not be the same, but you can't say they're making farthings. We should differentiate not all women who do porn are escorts. Some women use porn to up their demand. With escorts, if you land the right client they will throw money at you. In addition if you're escorting Uncle Sam is certainly not seeing any of that money. Maybe few pay taxes and call it something different, but I wager the barn a majority don't pay taxes.

Again not all porn stars pull in the same money and doing one or two scenes does not make you a porn star. Of course like any profession based on physically abilities, you have only a certain amount of time before the body cannot keep up with demand. Not everyone is going to make millions like Jenna Jameson, but when you are top billed star you better learn to save you money. People don't do porn just for kicks.

[Wendy Summers]

1k hour girls do not have one client a week and they do have people giving them a lot of stuff. Especially if they even do the Dubai thing. There was a woman had an article in the early 2000s about her escorting and charging 10k a night (New York magazine article) the truth of the matter she was pulling in serious cash.

Here's the thing - talking about the early 2000s in relation to porn and escorting is like talking about 1950 -- the facts of that era have little to do with economic reality today. When the global economy went in the shitter, competition within sex work went significantly up. Increased supply pushed rates down. The 2000s also represents the early days of the internet... before tube and pirate websites were mining every paid website possible and stealing content. The money that existed then doesn't exist today.

Is Dubai a thing? Absolutely. But folks with those situations are small compared to the total number of escorts.

[Lester316]

Here's the thing - talking about the early 2000s in relation to porn and escorting is like talking about 1950 -- the facts of that era have little to do with economic reality today. When the global economy went in the shitter, competition within sex work went significantly up. Increased supply pushed rates down. The 2000s also represents the early days of the internet... before tube and pirate websites were mining every paid website possible and stealing content. The money that existed then doesn't exist today.

Is Dubai a thing? Absolutely. But folks with those situations are small compared to the total number of escorts.


Add in the fact considering very recent news going to Dubai as an escort is a perilous thing..

[lifeisfiction]

Here's the thing - talking about the early 2000s in relation to porn and escorting is like talking about 1950 -- the facts of that era have little to do with economic reality today. When the global economy went in the shitter, competition within sex work went significantly up. Increased supply pushed rates down. The 2000s also represents the early days of the internet... before tube and pirate websites were mining every paid website possible and stealing content. The money that existed then doesn't exist today.

Is Dubai a thing? Absolutely. But folks with those situations are small compared to the total number of escorts.

Escorts who make 1k hour do not have one client a week. Escorting has not changed night and day. The only difference is the amount of information such as reviews help weed out bad ones. Yes there is more, but they are all not good. In addition few stay in it for the long. Haul so to say it's drastically different is sort of a exaggeration.

Then I have to ask Wendy are you saying top porn performers are making less then they did a decade ago? Including all revenue streams, whether it is porn, escorting, and gifts? (Thanks to the internet it is easier to obtain all three.)

[Lester316]

Wendy I can only agree with one of these statements and that is many people in the porn industry don't save money. They are like some athletes who burn through their money quickly and do not realize once they stop or they get older it will be harder to generate the same level of income.

1k hour girls do not have one client a week and they do have people giving them a lot of stuff. Especially if they even do the Dubai thing. There was a woman had an article in the early 2000s about her escorting and charging 10k a night (New York magazine article) the truth of the matter she was pulling in serious cash. That wasn't reported in the Magazine and media. Her and others like her were quite busy. (Crazy part, she wasn't that pretty go figure)

Women in the industry get good things and it is based on their level of success. In the last decade and a half porn has become more competitive with more women and men entering the business. To be a top or recognized performer is not very easy at all. Hell it wasn't easy in the past. Comparing a top GG performer to a top TG may not be the same, but you can't say they're making farthings. We should differentiate not all women who do porn are escorts. Some women use porn to up their demand. With escorts, if you land the right client they will throw money at you. In addition if you're escorting Uncle Sam is certainly not seeing any of that money. Maybe few pay taxes and call it something different, but I wager the barn a majority don't pay taxes.

Again not all porn stars pull in the same money and doing one or two scenes does not make you a porn star. Of course like any profession based on physically abilities, you have only a certain amount of time before the body cannot keep up with demand. Not everyone is going to make millions like Jenna Jameson, but when you are top billed star you better learn to save you money. People don't do porn just for kicks.

Just wondering how do you know so much about these 1K an hour escorts? I noticed you've used an interview article from something like over 10 years ago as your point of reference (you'll have to pardon me on this too but New York magazine is that a real thing or did you mean a magazine based in New York?) but even in that case you are talking about just one person; then you mention things that weren't reported in the magazine or the media. Excuse my confusion but I can't quite work out how what you are saying is anything more than conjecture based on assumptive conclusions... well unless you were the high-paying client of multiple escorts or their pimp?

[lifeisfiction]

Just wondering how do you know so much about these 1K an hour escorts? I noticed you've used an interview article from something like over 10 years ago as your point of reference (you'll have to pardon me on this too but New York magazine is that a real thing or did you mean a magazine based in New York?) but even in that case you are talking about just one person; then you mention things that weren't reported in the magazine or the media. Excuse my confusion but I can't quite work out how what you are saying is anything more than conjecture based on assumptive conclusions... well unless you were the high-paying client of multiple escorts or their pimp?

Prior to ever engaging with escorts, I worked with something legally (not journalistic) with high-end prostitution rings. It was freakishly the most mind blowing thing to see. Besides that I have personally known a few high-end escorts and you would be surprised at the things they tell you.

I refer the New York Magazine (it's a real thing) because I thought the article was pretty good on what they knew. I knew far more than they did about the story, but that is a different story I do not wish to disclose nor can I really disclose anyway.

[Lester316]

Prior to ever engaging with escorts, I worked with something legally (not journalistic) with high-end prostitution rings. It was freakishly the most mind blowing thing to see. Besides that I have personally known a few high-end escorts and you would be surprised at the things they tell you.

I refer the New York Magazine (it's a real thing) because I thought the article was pretty good on what they knew. I knew far more than they did about the story, but that is a different story I do not wish to disclose nor can I really disclose anyway.

Fair play answers my question perfectly. I have to admit the New York magazine surprised me; it would be akin to us having a 'Birmingham' magazine here which wouldn't be good.

(For anyone who pops up to tell me there is a 'Birmingham' chronicle or some such I didn't mean like a local paper..).

[bigkid69]

What kills me is the guy arguing with 3 people actually in the porn industry about how much money is out there in the industry!! This is the kind of drama I love here at HA.

[Fitzcarraldo]

What kills me is the guy arguing with 3 people actually in the porn industry about how much money is out there in the industry!! This is the kind of drama I love here at HA.

Hey, maybe those three people are part of the conspiracy! :)

[nysprod]

Prior to ever engaging with escorts, I worked with something legally (not journalistic) with high-end prostitution rings. It was freakishly the most mind blowing thing to see. Besides that I have personally known a few high-end escorts and you would be surprised at the things they tell you.

I refer the New York Magazine (it's a real thing) because I thought the article was pretty good on what they knew. I knew far more than they did about the story, but that is a different story I do not wish to disclose nor can I really disclose anyway.

Life is fiction, as is this post lol

[DeezNuts515]

What kills me is the guy arguing with 3 people actually in the porn industry about how much money is out there in the industry!! This is the kind of drama I love here at HA.

Holzz is the most idiotic user on this site, I bet he has the most thumbs down posts by far.

[lifeisfiction]

Life is fiction, as is this post lol

Not fiction.

[Stavros]

did u say invest? i hate to tell you this but i am here to tell you that 99.9 percent of porn performers don't know what an equity account is much less have any money in it.

Investment doesn't have to be in equity, I know of two escorts who used money saved to buy property -a capital asset- and another two who invested their earnings in hair and beauty salons. We are not really disagreeing here, the point being that in a career that doesn't last long, and where the sums of money can fluctuate even well known performers are not rich, but can make enough money to start a modest business to turn to when they retire. I don't know what Jessie Dubai has done with the money she has earned, but the costs of litigation will be hard to bear.

[MrFanti]

before tube and pirate websites were mining every paid website possible and stealing content.

A dirty truth that most folks don't want to discuss....

[christianxxx]

Prior to ever engaging with escorts, I worked with something legally (not journalistic) with high-end prostitution rings. It was freakishly the most mind blowing thing to see. Besides that I have personally known a few high-end escorts and you would be surprised at the things they tell you.

I refer the New York Magazine (it's a real thing) because I thought the article was pretty good on what they knew. I knew far more than they did about the story, but that is a different story I do not wish to disclose nor can I really disclose anyway.

you are ignoring the #1 fundamental law of porn my friend

[nysprod]

99.9 percent of porn performers don't know what an equity account is much less have any money in it.

I bet most people dont know what it is...I dont but in general, equity refers to a defined fraction of ownership

[christianxxx]

and u just defined what a share of stock is my friend. you answered your own question

[GroobySteven]

Then I have to ask Wendy are you saying top porn performers are making less then they did a decade ago? Including all revenue streams, whether it is porn, escorting, and gifts? (Thanks to the internet it is easier to obtain all three.)

YES absolutely.
Next question?

[christianxxx]

in straight porn the top girls are still working pretty close to the same number of scenes at close to the same rates. they are escorting for a bit lower rates but not much. all of the other stuff is unchanged for them. but thats the top 15-20 girls - kendra lust, adriana chechik, nicole aniston, brandi love, and a few others.

additionally new girls get snapped up very quickly and thrown into the fire of working non stop (talking about the new crop of 18-19 all natural teens). And that lasts for a few months but then the work tapers off as the next round of new girls shows up. A few turn into legit stars like Abella Danger, Megan Rain, Keisha Grey, Dakota Sky but the rest then see work drop off.

what porno has really done in the past 4-5 years has eliminated the giant middle class of both male and female performers. There used to be a nice cushy little life being a veteran reliable male performer in his mid 30's and the veteran sexy female performer in her mid 20's and early 30's. Those days have vanished. Now unless you are a star or a newbie you have to kick, punch, fight, scratch, bite, and claw just to make a living.

so to recap and answer lifeisfictions question the top 15-20 girls - the same money. about 15-20 of the new crop of potential teen stunners - the same money. the 800-1000 other performers in the biz - drastically reduced earnings and have to work much harder to make it.

now lets talk about TS girls, which is a bit different story.

there are less companies shooting porn. 5-10 years ago you saw some of the straight porn companies dabble in TS porn. Those times are over. Now you can't really make money of TS porn unless you are a fan and live the life. You can't fake it, hire a director who doesn't know any TS girls, ask Chad Diamond what girls to shoot, and hope your 4-5 scenes TS DVD works. That nonsense has died off. What's left are the people who are perverts and love porn and love TS girls. Unless it's your passion, you have no hope to be successful as a producer. Which translates to fewer scenes for the popular and established TS starlets.

Escorting continues to be the financial backbone for many of your TS starlets as well as TS girls who refuse to do scenes. But again, genetic girls can charge a lot more hourly for their services. TS girls are much more limited in that respect. Why? because competition has driven down the prices. Look on backpage - you see girls doing privates for 50-100 bucks. Hard to charge 1000 when the girl below you is taking 100. So the fight for clientele has increased. Additionally, overseas has dried up for many American girls as well as the prices there go down. London is full of every nationality of TS girl who have started charging less and less. So making the trip overseas is a struggle now instead of a windfall.

Camming is increasingly becoming the first second or third option for TS girls. And there is money to be made there. Of course as anyone who has ever watched a girls cam show knows, its extremely time and labor intensive and at times overwhelmingly tedious. Its a full time job that's worse than a 9 to 5 in many respects. So unless you become a hard core cam girl, most of the girls do it sporadically, which doesn't lend itself to great profits.

Any questions?

[lifeisfiction]

in straight porn the top girls are still working pretty close to the same number of scenes at close to the same rates. they are escorting for a bit lower rates but not much. all of the other stuff is unchanged for them. but thats the top 15-20 girls - kendra lust, adriana chechik, nicole aniston, brandi love, and a few others.

additionally new girls get snapped up very quickly and thrown into the fire of working non stop (talking about the new crop of 18-19 all natural teens). And that lasts for a few months but then the work tapers off as the next round of new girls shows up. A few turn into legit stars like Abella Danger, Megan Rain, Keisha Grey, Dakota Sky but the rest then see work drop off.

what porno has really done in the past 4-5 years has eliminated the giant middle class of both male and female performers. There used to be a nice cushy little life being a veteran reliable male performer in his mid 30's and the veteran sexy female performer in her mid 20's and early 30's. Those days have vanished. Now unless you are a star or a newbie you have to kick, punch, fight, scratch, bite, and claw just to make a living.

so to recap and answer lifeisfictions question the top 15-20 girls - the same money. about 15-20 of the new crop of potential teen stunners - the same money. the 800-1000 other performers in the biz - drastically reduced earnings and have to work much harder to make it.

now lets talk about TS girls, which is a bit different story.

there are less companies shooting porn. 5-10 years ago you saw some of the straight porn companies dabble in TS porn. Those times are over. Now you can't really make money of TS porn unless you are a fan and live the life. You can't fake it, hire a director who doesn't know any TS girls, ask Chad Diamond what girls to shoot, and hope your 4-5 scenes TS DVD works. That nonsense has died off. What's left are the people who are perverts and love porn and love TS girls. Unless it's your passion, you have no hope to be successful as a producer. Which translates to fewer scenes for the popular and established TS starlets.

Escorting continues to be the financial backbone for many of your TS starlets as well as TS girls who refuse to do scenes. But again, genetic girls can charge a lot more hourly for their services. TS girls are much more limited in that respect. Why? because competition has driven down the prices. Look on backpage - you see girls doing privates for 50-100 bucks. Hard to charge 1000 when the girl below you is taking 100. So the fight for clientele has increased. Additionally, overseas has dried up for many American girls as well as the prices there go down. London is full of every nationality of TS girl who have started charging less and less. So making the trip overseas is a struggle now instead of a windfall.

Camming is increasingly becoming the first second or third option for TS girls. And there is money to be made there. Of course as anyone who has ever watched a girls cam show knows, its extremely time and labor intensive and at times overwhelmingly tedious. Its a full time job that's worse than a 9 to 5 in many respects. So unless you become a hard core cam girl, most of the girls do it sporadically, which doesn't lend itself to great profits.

Any questions?

The thing I am saying is decent performer in porn shouldn't be flat broke. I never indicated they are making 500k a year. I just said they make a decent dollar. I wasn't say top performers reflects the industry as a whole. Your 50 to 100 dollars of privates on backpage is way off if you are referring for the hour. I am just saying you can make a decent dollar, if you are smart. Of course our definition of decent dollar will be different.

[christianxxx]

http://lasvegas.backpage.com/TranssexualEscorts/80-if-it-doesnt-get-all-over-the-place-it-doesnt-belong-in-your-face/21231091 - 80 bucks

http://phoenix.backpage.com/TranssexualEscorts/%EF%B8%8F-%EF%B8%8F-%EF%B8%8F-%EF%B8%8Fsupersweet-99-pecial-%EF%B8%8F-real-blonds-have-green-eyes-and-red-sweet-lips/23157059 - 99 bucks

http://sanantonio.backpage.com/TranssexualEscorts/dabadestyony-blacktgirls-made/15829013 - 80 bucks

http://memphis.backpage.com/TranssexualEscorts/40-special-h-r-b-t-n-t0wn-m-g-sk-ll-tr-m/13418855 - 40 bucks

i could go on and on to every city in america.

i love it when you tell me my own fucking life and job for the past 15 years. Chief, you are a FAN, you are a FAN, you are a FAN. Please keep that in mind when you try to argue with me.

[christianxxx]

The thing I am saying is decent performer in porn shouldn't be flat broke. I never indicated they are making 500k a year. I just said they make a decent dollar. I wasn't say top performers reflects the industry as a whole. Your 50 to 100 dollars of privates on backpage is way off if you are referring for the hour. I am just saying you can make a decent dollar, if you are smart. Of course our definition of decent dollar will be different.

okay now i have to talk about economics. First of all, most girls in the biz live in large cities where the cost of living is higher. You can't exactly live in Bakersfield and work in LA. You can't live in Albany and work in NYC.

I would estimate that 95 percent of the girls in TS porn have not had any education past HS. I would estimate that they probably don't have the prior knowledge and/or guidance about checking accounts, savings accounts, how to budget, how to use a spreadsheet, how to save money for a rainy day, how to manage debt etc.

The sex industry isn't exactly a 9 to 5 where you get a paycheck every two weeks. Because that makes it much easier to budget effectively. But when your income is in cash that you never know when its coming, or camming where the swings in check margins can be huge, porn checks are few and far between and cant be counted in, well thats not easy to budget. Throw in travel expenses, wardrobe, and plastic surgery modifications and some girls have huge deficits they have to make up each month.

Those two factors together mean that making a decent dollar doesn't matter. What matters is how hard it is to budget and save. Also don't forget that the easiest money to blow and spend is cash money. It burns a hole in your pocket. Much harder to blow a check that is deposited into your account directly. Just ask any stripper.

[lifeisfiction]

There are girls that offer low prices, that is not majority of women. You're trying to tell me the majority of women on backpage rates are 50-100 dollars. No. There are women who have some low rates, but they are not the majority (including both GG and Ts). Streetwalkers are different and I never messed with them. From my experience the lowest rate I paid for the half was a 80 and the highest was 600 in general and that was about over the course 8 years of seeing escorts. I won't even go into 1 hour and multiples. But you know what it's late I should finish my project and go to bed, I have to be up early. I will let those that see escorts chime in on this, because you are saying the majority of escorts on backpage are 50-100 dollars an hour. Unless New York state is a higher price than the rest of the US I find it hard press to believe it.

I should state that was on my first meeting. Repeats, well that's a different story. I thought I better add that in.

[bigkid69]

There are girls that offer low prices, that is not majority of women. You're trying to tell me the majority of women on backpage rates are 50-100 dollars. No. There are women who have some low rates, but they are not the majority (including both GG and Ts). Streetwalkers are different and I never messed with them. From my experience the lowest rate I paid for the half was a 80 and the highest was 600 in general and that was about over the course 8 years of seeing escorts. I won't even go into 1 hour and multiples. But you know what it's late I should finish my project and go to bed, I have to be up early. I will let those that see escorts chime in on this, because you are saying the majority of escorts on backpage are 50-100 dollars an hour. Unless New York state is a higher price than the rest of the US I find it hard press to believe it.

I should state that was on my first meeting. Repeats, well that's a different story. I thought I better add that in.

What I think he's saying is that it is hard to charge $1000/hour if there are girls everywhere charging much much much less. I see plenty of escorts, GG and TS, I know my budget and only see girls with reviews and/or reliable links, these girls charge accordingly. Guys willing to bite the bullet and take one for the team are willing to go for the less expensive girls but the market is filled with guys like that. The market is not filled with guys willing to pay $1000/hour.

[bluebottle]

This is rather devolving from the original issue...

[christianxxx]

thank you bigkid69 for restating what lifeisfiction of course as usual missed and then tried to come over the top like a douche.

[lifeisfiction]

thank you bigkid69 for restating what lifeisfiction of course as usual missed and then tried to come over the top like a douche.

Thanks bigkid69. That makes a lot more sense. I would say the internet has changed escorting. It is easier for providers to reach a larger audience. Still a good provider that starts low will raise their price, because when they get wind of their good reviews they will charge more. I never alluded that 1k is what they are all charging. Escorting costs money, but no one wants to waste money on a bad experience. I just felt the price he was stating was too low because good providers were never 50-100 dollars a hour on average in New York State. Maybe it's different on the west coast. Any good provider will never stay cheap for long. They tend to move up in price.

Yes competition affects prices. I think reviews give more balance.

And yes we are way off topic. We are in the danger zone.

Christian you know you love me. (I just think he has personal fondness for me).

[bigkid69]

We are off topic somewhat but this is how mature discussions evolve, isn't that the subject of an entire thread somewhere on how discussion has died here?? Here, I will bring it back:

Basically, like I said like 3 pages ago, I think you can make a comfortable living in porn, if done correctly, as CXXX has stated. And even if done correctly, I think it would be extremely difficult to scrape together $30K, that's a lot of cash!

[Trapt53]

Any non-speculative news on what the actually charges were?

[natina]

most transgender are sex workers as a result of

Discrimination.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x309wwj

www.dailymotion.com/video/x

Trans Americans More Likely to Live in Poverty

REPORT: Trans Americans Four Times More Likely to Live in Poverty

Is there a financial penalty for being transgender in America? The extent of the answers have some serious implications, according to a groundbreaking new report.
. .

While positive trans visiblity is on the upswing, it's undeniable that real legal and economic disparities face U.S. trans citizens daily, especially those who are multiply marginalized by intersecting identities of race, gender, and class. The ongoing epidemic of fatal violence against trans women of color is one major indicator.

As these deaths go largely overlooked by mainstream media, the the average cisgender (nontrans) American may have difficulty visualizing the concrete harm — both big and small — that antitrans discrimination brings to the trans folks in their communities everyday. In order to help fill that gap with more much-needed information, a new report by the Movement Advancement Project and Center for American Progress, Paying an Unfair Price: The Financial Penalty for Being Transgender in America, provides unignorable data that directly links prejudiced attitudes towards trans people with the trans population's striking economic imbalance.

Providing analysis and clear visuals related to fiscal matters — an issue, MAP and CAP states, which resonates with all Americans — the report rephrases a question common among trans advocates, asking, "Is there a financial penalty for being trans in America?"

The answer is a resounding yes, and the reasons why are as important to understand as they are damning for the policymakers, health care providers, and educators currently upholding a system that renders trans people uniquely vulnerable to financial destitution, and its accompanying further ostracization and criminalization.

In one of its most striking findings, MAP and CAP report that trans people are nearly four times more likely to have a yearly household income below $10,000 (15 percent vs. 4 percent of the nontrans population). The numbers go up if a trans individual is a person of color, with Asian American/Pacific Islander and Latino trans folks nearly six times as likely to be living in poverty as their API or Latino cisgender counterparts.


http://www.advocate.com/politics/transgender/2015/02/18/report-trans-americans-four-times-more-likely-live-poverty

The tangible symptoms of this disparity include commonly cited realities like difficulty finding a job or housing, difficulty obtaining correct legal identification documents, and facing medical expenses not covered by health insurance, as well as less-discussed issues like credit discrimination and unsafe schools leading to less sustainable employment.



These common problems result not only in short-term crises for trans citizens that can include unemployment and homelessness, but also long-term financial instability, the report notes. For instance, the inability to open a line of credit or obtain a job with enough income to fund a savings account means many trans people are left covering the basic necessities of food, rent, clothing, and health care paycheck-to-paycheck. That means they are are not working towards building a career or fulfilling their life's dreams, funding their retirement, or simply keeping a financial cushion between themselves and destitutuion should any unforeseen life crises, like car repairs or a child's illness, arise. All of these factors can contribute to a trans person's lowered quality of life, even in moments when they are not actively facing harassment.

So, what can be done to help fix the system? Paying an Unfair Price suggests a number of policy changes that can begin to be implemented now, including clear federal laws prohibiting employee discrimination, evicting or refusing to rent to tenants, and refusing loans based on gender identity; simpler policies for updating legal identification; cultural competency training for government, health, and educational professionals; and changes in school environments that curtail the bullying of trans students.

Read more about economic inequality facing trans Americans here, and find CAP and MAP's companion report, Understanding the Issues Facing Transgender Americans, here.

http://www.advocate.com/politics/transgender/2015/02/18/report-trans-americans-four-times-more-likely-live-poverty

[natina]

A friend of mine got 23 counts of pimping and pandering that has a manditory 5 year sentence for each count.

You can kill some one and get probation but not pimping/pander.

Human trafficing laws add more time to the charges..

[zerrrr]

In order for you to make the $1,000 golden ticket you have to have a particular look and fall into a particular high end elite agency that will charge for that. Those girls are not on social media because it makes no sense for them to talk to the average person or give out anything regarding their life. That is the 1% of the 1%. A handful and they do not shoot or cam. Why? They are in a different tier.

Even if you make big dollars there is a huge price tag attached to that in terms of workouts, surgeries, diets, etc. You live that lifestyle and you maintain your body and life according to that lifestyle. You can make six figures and spend six figures because there is always someone younger, prettier, bigger breasts, bigger ass, freakier knocking on the door trying to take your spot.

The only advantage is that you do not deal with the people in this forum because they are not worth it time-wise and time is money.

[TS Evelyn Summers]

In order for you to make the $1,000 golden ticket you have to have a particular look and fall into a particular high end elite agency that will charge for that. Those girls are not on social media because it makes no sense for them to talk to the average person or give out anything regarding their life. That is the 1% of the 1%. A handful and they do not shoot or cam. Why? They are in a different tier.

Even if you make big dollars there is a huge price tag attached to that in terms of workouts, surgeries, diets, etc. You live that lifestyle and you maintain your body and life according to that lifestyle. You can make six figures and spend six figures because there is always someone younger, prettier, bigger breasts, bigger ass, freakier knocking on the door trying to take your spot.

The only advantage is that you do not deal with the people in this forum because they are not worth it time-wise and time is money.


BEST "On-Point" Explanation I Have Ever Seen !!!!! .... YOU, My Friend...Win The Internet For The Day!

[Johnny Assplay]

I fucking love getting insight about the porn world from Christian. His honesty, and knowledge of the culture always make for a good read.

[holzz]

This is rather devolving from the original issue...

why? it's pretty pertinent imho. and people are naturally curious, why a top-rated porn star in her genre (who has big tits, pretty face, nice body, big dick as the formula for success in it) needs money from her fans to bail her out.

I'm only responding since I enjoy her work, and wanted to know how this has progressed.

But then considering there are others who are well to do of her stature in the industry, like Madison Hinton, Mia Isabella, and that there is a shitload of passive income to be made for top stars, it's just a natural curiosity.

I know it may piss people off, i don't care to be honest, again curiosity is normal!

[holzz]

In order for you to make the $1,000 golden ticket you have to have a particular look and fall into a particular high end elite agency that will charge for that. Those girls are not on social media because it makes no sense for them to talk to the average person or give out anything regarding their life. That is the 1% of the 1%. A handful and they do not shoot or cam. Why? They are in a different tier.

Even if you make big dollars there is a huge price tag attached to that in terms of workouts, surgeries, diets, etc. You live that lifestyle and you maintain your body and life according to that lifestyle. You can make six figures and spend six figures because there is always someone younger, prettier, bigger breasts, bigger ass, freakier knocking on the door trying to take your spot.

The only advantage is that you do not deal with the people in this forum because they are not worth it time-wise and time is money.

not if they are smart, and have various income sources. I don't know why you're getting so offended or uptight. it's a valid question from a source of innocence/good faith to ask why she's asking this.

[holzz]

this is literally the dumbest most idiotic thing i have read in a long long long time. holy shit. do some fans truly believe this nonsense? seriously?

i'm stupid for not knowing the ins and outs of the porn industry? are you a fount of all human knowledge then??

[runningdownthatdream]

i'm stupid for not knowing the ins and outs of the porn industry? are you a fount of all human knowledge then??

Oblivious Man will be oblivious.....I guess. Let me shine a light for you: you are NOT stupid for not knowing the ins and outs of porn. You ARE stupid for not knowing the ins and outs of porn yet feel the need to inject your ignorance into a discussion and then further admit you are.....indeed.....ignorant thereby tying yourself up neatly into a ball of ignorance.

[Nikka]

what happened with this case anyways?

[holzz]

Oblivious Man will be oblivious.....I guess. Let me shine a light for you: you are NOT stupid for not knowing the ins and outs of porn. You ARE stupid for not knowing the ins and outs of porn yet feel the need to inject your ignorance into a discussion and then further admit you are.....indeed.....ignorant thereby tying yourself up neatly into a ball of ignorance.

I am? I think the issue at hand here is you don't tolerate very opinions...piss off and grow up fool...haha..

[Laphroaig]

i'm stupid for not knowing the ins and outs of the porn industry? are you a fount of all human knowledge then??

You're stupid for reviving an argument that you started and lost months ago. All it serves is to remind us all once again of how ignorant you really are...:dead-1:

Particularly as this was your response to Christian's post the first time round.


Yes, i do believe it. and?

Remember this...;)


You're an idiot. Seriously, a fucking informed, ignorant and utter idiot.

[bluebottle]

what happened with this case anyways?
Apparently, she has been allowed to travel inter state, so she tweeted a week ago, although I have no idea what that means in terms of the case..

[holzz]

You're stupid for reviving an argument that you started and lost months ago. All it serves is to remind us all once again of how ignorant you really are...:dead-1:

Particularly as this was your response to Christian's post the first time round.



Remember this...;)

Lost? not really. but i don't get why you're offended why i don't know the ins and outs of the porn industry.

[holzz]

You're stupid for reviving an argument that you started and lost months ago. All it serves is to remind us all once again of how ignorant you really are...:dead-1:

Particularly as this was your response to Christian's post the first time round.



Remember this...;)

haha...why do you always follow me around to tell me how to post??? kind of odd for a 60 year old man, riht? i say what i want, get over it, or learn basic social skills.

[Trapt53]

i say what i want, get over it, or learn basic social skills.

You're free to say what you want, but remember others are free to call you on your bullshit.

[holzz]

You're free to say what you want, but remember others are free to call you on your bullshit.

yep....only since you get offended who posts what...haha. i'm not bothered. i never would be, you're a grown man, handle it.

[holzz]

Also I don't have asperger's. Plus I wouldn't use a developmental disorder as an insult type - quite a callous thing for someone to do as it shows a complete lack of respect for people who have to cope with such things in their daily life.

depends...you insulted me. i was never raised to be nice to all. haha

[Post Op Preferred]

the degeneration of this thread epitomizes what's wrong with the internet. What started as a forum to express support for JD has transmuted into a mud fight between a bunch of trolls. Get a life!

[holzz]

haha...

that's cool. but then i only made a point, apparently i'm not allowed to make them since the glaswegian kiss guy says i cannot.

[Tsjessy]

Hi guys. I see so cost a lot of commotion.
I would love to tell you guys every single detail about this case, but I can't because I am bored Underoath.

I can say though. That I am innocent and the truth is going to come out sooner or later


I read in one of the comments posted here that the convictions that DA's get are like little gold stars for them.
That is the case here too.

I would love to tell you details but I must wait until this case is over.

The reason why I am asking for help it's not because I am poor. Or i don want to work. But because is too much to deal wit for 1 single person.

I didn't t ask to be in this mess. I am innocent but like I see in many of this comments here some people don't see it that way base in all the things they are wondering about my case.

I am happy that once I can actually speak to the world about this you guys will all see that I was innocent since the beginning and this witch-hunt shouldn't have gone this far


That's how I feel this is turning into a Witch Hunt against me...

How am I suppose to pay my bills, and now the court bills like lawyers, investigators and all , spending 45,000$ bond here and 2,000$ for fees, and fees and pre trials.

And did I mention the court didn't let me travel for the last 7 months.
I lI've in colorado. We don't shoot porn here. Webcam in is was it's been keeping me upfloat. But it's not easy to make at least 3000$ monthly camping.
It's possible. I have done it bur it's not easy. I ented up really hurt at the end of the day with all the hard toys.


I am asking for help because I cannot do it alone. I know I have friends other that can help we with a dollar or two. And if someone is going to use what's happening to me to trash the industry , and trash me. Let me be honest I don't care about the negative comments they're going to come no matter what.

My best defense to shut them all up at once is when I'm proven innocent and I publish my book about this abusive Witch Hunt

[Tsjessy]

Apparently, she has been allowed to travel inter state, so she tweeted a week ago, although I have no idea what that means in terms of the case..

It means the judge dint found me guilty of charges and allowed me to travel, knowing I won't fly or escape. I am doing everything on my paRT so the law knows the truth.

The DA'S just like a lot of haters here wish I was guilty but im not and the judges see the honesty in me.

This gives me hope because people that are in the situation close like mine don't get to travel

[holzz]

Hi guys. I see so cost a lot of commotion.
I would love to tell you guys every single detail about this case, but I can't because I am bored Underoath.

I can say though. That I am innocent and the truth is going to come out sooner or later


I read in one of the comments posted here that the convictions that DA's get are like little gold stars for them.
That is the case here too.

I would love to tell you details but I must wait until this case is over.

The reason why I am asking for help it's not because I am poor. Or i don want to work. But because is too much to deal wit for 1 single person.

I didn't t ask to be in this mess. I am innocent but like I see in many of this comments here some people don't see it that way base in all the things they are wondering about my case.

I am happy that once I can actually speak to the world about this you guys will all see that I was innocent since the beginning and this witch-hunt shouldn't have gone this far


That's how I feel this is turning into a Witch Hunt against me...

How am I suppose to pay my bills, and now the court bills like lawyers, investigators and all , spending 45,000$ bond here and 2,000$ for fees, and fees and pre trials.

And did I mention the court didn't let me travel for the last 7 months.
I lI've in colorado. We don't shoot porn here. Webcam in is was it's been keeping me upfloat. But it's not easy to make at least 3000$ monthly camping.
It's possible. I have done it bur it's not easy. I ented up really hurt at the end of the day with all the hard toys.


I am asking for help because I cannot do it alone. I know I have friends other that can help we with a dollar or two. And if someone is going to use what's happening to me to trash the industry , and trash me. Let me be honest I don't care about the negative comments they're going to come no matter what.

My best defense to shut them all up at once is when I'm proven innocent and I publish my book about this abusive Witch Hunt

Wow...are you really Jessy? If so, cool! :D

[Tsjessy]

I will post about my case as son as I know from my layer what I can and can't say about my case.

My crowdfunding campaign vane details about the case , because he was at the beginning when all of this started and I didn't know what was going on

But now I need to be cautious with what I say because it can be misinterpreted
Just like it did.

Human trafficking is not a misdemeanor it's a felony that can charge up to 50 years in jail.

In Colorado you can be guilty of human trafficking a minor even without knowing you're committing a crime.

I promise that everything that is being said about me is just like only you and God knows the truth

And for what I can see it now the law understand what truly happened because my charges are being dismissed

But it's going to take a long time especially with a tough DA'a that is worried more about her status rather than really going after the guilty ones.

I will keep updating more details as the case developes

[SydneyFarron]

So true. DAs, in general, are far more interested in career advancement than justice.

[forestman20745]

So true. DAs, in general, are far more interested in career advancement than justice.

Yeah, they don't give a shit about "justice" just a notch on the proverbial belt. Without a good attorney, they really go for the throat. Then when you win, well you are broke and the DA just moves on. Fucked up system.....

[holzz]

I will post about my case as son as I know from my layer what I can and can't say about my case.

My crowdfunding campaign vane details about the case , because he was at the beginning when all of this started and I didn't know what was going on

But now I need to be cautious with what I say because it can be misinterpreted
Just like it did.

Human trafficking is not a misdemeanor it's a felony that can charge up to 50 years in jail.

In Colorado you can be guilty of human trafficking a minor even without knowing you're committing a crime.

I promise that everything that is being said about me is just like only you and God knows the truth

And for what I can see it now the law understand what truly happened because my charges are being dismissed

But it's going to take a long time especially with a tough DA'a that is worried more about her status rather than really going after the guilty ones.

I will keep updating more details as the case developes
best of luck :) some pretty serious fucking charges, but i trust it will pull through.

[Tsjessy]

Yeah, they don't give a shit about "justice" just a notch on the proverbial belt. Without a good attorney, they really go for the throat. Then when you win, well you are broke and the DA just moves on. Fucked up system.....

BINGO. THEY WANT TO DESTROY ME LITTLE BY LITTLE.
BUT I'm just happy that this is going to turn out to be more of a pain in the ass for them than it is for me....

I am innocent and I will prove it at any cost,
The shitty thing is that in yhe meantime the DA'S are going to milk me as much as I can.

But it'd the system we are in so gotta be strong and get out of this.

[Tsjessy]

The reason I asked for help from my fans is because once this legal battle began they stop me from travelling. And that stoped me from working and making money and forced me to use all my life savings.

Yes I have a site Jessydubai.Com that produces money monthly but that only pays my apt, car, insurance, bills and it's not enough. And now with legal fees, pre trials, hiring lawyers, investigators, etc all that requires money. .... money I don't have because I couldn't travel for work. So I had to use all the money I had in my savings.

I figured if I asked my fans that's so much brag a bout loving me and wanting to do things for me. I figured wy not ask help to stay out of jail and prove my innocence.

I'm not asking for 100, 200, 10000$
I have my son so they could help me even with $1, $5, $10 what ever helped. And the money that I didn't use for my legal case it was going to be donated to an LGBT group here in denver.


But I see some people like u are more worried about the gossip that to actually try to help me.

Ir sad to see how empty and haRd some people's hearts are....


The s***** things that I get the toughest
Critics from people that don't know me

[Tsjessy]

Thank you sooooooo much .... it sucks how the people use the Internet

[Tsjessy]

I wish I could give you the details but I'm under oath and I can't talk about my case but
Are you ready my credit was happening at the beginning of the case so I didn't know what was going on

Now I Do.
I'm accused of nine different charges cued of pimping a minor.

I dint do anything but
the DA'S are out to get gold stars not fellons.

I went to testify to help the so called victim.
And the DA's turn it all around on me.

Now it's making me look like I'm this horrible person capable of doing such thing.

But I am fine with it because truth is going to come out in the end

I will clean my name, I will claim my fame and I will move on.

And the reason why you see me acting the way I'm acting on chaturbate is because I have to make $$$ to pay my bills, pay legal fees for something I dint do. But the police is working order to get a big price for my conviction not to show the truth.

You will not see me cry, you will not see me crumble to the floor and get angry at god.

Because I already did that at the beginning of this case.

But I also clean up my tears and picked up myself and now I'm thinking about the solution not the problem...


When is my solution was to ask myself for help. But so what I see in this case people are more worried about gossiping, about making up their own story about me or even troll other people and cause a fight.

I am happy that the people that just want to help me show it to me and he has helped me to push myself and get out of this mess

Meanwhile the people that say they are my fans what are only out just to help in this witch hunt I'm being a victim off.

[Tsjessy]

Oh,I get it. I see it when I mod there and the girls get mad and cover it up as fast as they can...I'm just saying that to me it doesn't look like a cover....I can usually see through that,but if she's really good at it, I wouldn't.

Would u rather I be crying and wishing I saw dead?

I am sorry to Rain on ur Parade but I am an actress, performer, and model.
The most important thing I need to make money somehow so chaturbate was my solution sense I don't see u sending me a 1$ to help my cause.

And no sweetie you cannot see the pain inside me because I'm a very good performer

Only the people that is closest to me hAve seen the hell I've been living in.

There are a lot of movies out there that u see me happy as a clam but behind cameras I was destroyed for different reasons. Crying, sad, desperate etc u name it.

But I'm a professional and the show has to go on so I can get paid

That why u see me making $$ doing what I do bes. BE A PERFORMER

[Tsjessy]

I know the urge is to think it may be something that is not there. It is better to just wait. Time will give a better clarity to the situation nor should we speculate with this very vague and sparse information. I don't know how you come to the conclusion of what happened, since there is little facts to indicate what crime she was alleged committing. If you have more information than what she vaguely shared we would be willing to listen. Until then, we don't know. It becomes dangerous to make an assumption with little to no information.

You're right I have to receive money in order to be guilty of such charges..

That's the think I never once got a prnny, nor I knew what was goin on

[Tsjessy]

I am not asserting any conclusion about her guilt or innocence other than that we can reasonable infer the basic outline of the State's trafficking charge by examining the applicable statute.
the facts of the case will be determined in court. it would be very counterproductive for Jessi or any witnesses to elaborate here since they could be used in court, and could even waive the 5th amendment against self incrimination.
Patience is not going to pay for her lawyer. The State's power over defendants is intimidating and coercive. the presumption of innocence has value only if the defendant backs it up with a vigorous defense. that's all that she's asking. I am stunned by the lack of sympathy for her on this board, since any participant in P4P is vulnerable. If you are tarring Jessi with the guilt of the guy who wanted the 7 yo you are mistaken. trafficking in persons under 18 is a separate and more serious crime.

This is the exact reason why I haven't added details about my case. Anything that I say can be used against me. I am understand I have to keep secrecy about my case until my lawyer tells me otherwise...

I see so many people here are so good to make assumptions about me and talk about me

But I haven't received much help from the people that are having a blast on my behalf

Whoever is enjoying what's happening h to me all I gotta say is.

Enjoy it while it lasts because It will be finish soon

[Post Op Preferred]

I wish I could give you the details but I'm under oath and I can't talk about my case but
Are you ready my credit was happening at the beginning of the case so I didn't know what was going on

Now I Do.
I'm accused of nine different charges cued of pimping a minor.

I dint do anything but
the DA'S are out to get gold stars not fellons.

I went to testify to help the so called victim.
And the DA's turn it all around on me.

Now it's making me look like I'm this horrible person capable of doing such thing.

But I am fine with it because truth is going to come out in the end

I will clean my name, I will claim my fame and I will move on.

And the reason why you see me acting the way I'm acting on chaturbate is because I have to make $$$ to pay my bills, pay legal fees for something I dint do. But the police is working order to get a big price for my conviction not to show the truth.

You will not see me cry, you will not see me crumble to the floor and get angry at god.

Because I already did that at the beginning of this case.

But I also clean up my tears and picked up myself and now I'm thinking about the solution not the problem...


When is my solution was to ask myself for help. But so what I see in this case people are more worried about gossiping, about making up their own story about me or even troll other people and cause a fight.

I am happy that the people that just want to help me show it to me and he has helped me to push myself and get out of this mess

Meanwhile the people that say they are my fans what are only out just to help in this witch hunt I'm being a victim off.

Hey Jessy, I see you only have 1000 in your "Generosity" site posted near the top of this thread. Have you moved your fundraising elsewhere?

[Tsjessy]

not only is that pithy comment incorrect, but coming from a TS as well makes it worse.

The girls turn to escorting bc its the most money they can make in this world in order to further along their transition. FFS, rhinoplasty, hormones, butt implants, boob jobs, etc - that all costs big bucks.

Being a TS means that most of the normal corporate world is going to turn their back on you. Being a TS also means that being passable and left alone in a normal corporate or higher educational environment is almost impossible.

Well said Christian

[Post Op Preferred]

Well said Christian

Sad but true. I post op TS friend of mine who lived in stealth for 16 years after her SRS recently got outed on the job and she ended up with the pink slip, not the harasser. Workplaces are gossipy, and TG's make convenient targets for the insecurities of haters.

[Tsjessy]

The performers aren't the ones making the big money--especially not the trans performers. It's the lowest-paying niche. It's yet another part of the bullshit they have to face daily.

Most of us only get paid $1,000 for 4 hr scene

[Tsjessy]

Hey Jessy, I see you only have 1000 in your "Generosity" site posted near the top of this thread. Have you moved your fundraising elsewhere?

No do to people being cold heart I decided to pull it. It making me more sad that it is actually helping.
Thos 1000, I already spend them on the discovery.

I been meaning to add details again so pepole really k ow what's going on But I must wait for my lawyers appoval.

But I'm just disappointed because I had a huge family and they all turn their back on me when they need i need it them the most

This is why I am also thinking about quitting the porn idustry and moving to mainstream

[Tsjessy]

Right; however, she is facing multiple charges. What are the other charges? She is expecting people to donate money. It is kinda of foolish to donate without knowing what happened. What is her story and what is the police story?

I'm not expecting for people to send me money just because.

I am hoping my phone will reach inside the pockets for a dollar or two and help

If you're not my son and you don't want to waste your money. You don't have to. But please don't bring ur negativity here

[Tsjessy]

I cant see how people are expected to donate $30,000 grand for someone who states she is arrested for multiple charges and claims innocence without explaining any of the actual offences she is being accused of doing.

Of all the reasons to donate for a cause, this isnt one of them, not now anyway. Sorry.

Well don't donate. I'm not asking you. I'm asking who ever wants to help thus performer in need.

Am I clear .

[Tsjessy]

I've wrote about this a bunch of times - in short, No. Transsexual models/pornstars don't usually have $30,000 sitting in the bank. Did she do 20 scenes last year? 30? 40? At $800-$1200 a scene, she's clearly not making enough to have that amount of money.

Thank you sweetie. Everyone that is outside the adult industry will sing the pornstar we are swimming in money

The only the people we are in the industry we know what this world really is about

[Tsjessy]

Really? You must know more girls then I do, as I've never heard of that.

He is my boss u fucking imbecile.
He owns the biggest tranny porn company.
So yes he knows more transexuals in about us than you do.

[Tsjessy]

We still don't know what the charges are, and until then it doesn't make sense arguing about something no one knows about. If you want to donate that is fine, I do think it is fair for people donating to know why. Also, prostitution generally doesn't carry a maximum 20 year sentence by itself.

Thank you sweetie just to make it clear I wasn't. I was never busted for prostitution because I am not a prostitute.

I am accused of human trafficking of a minor for sexual purposes.

In Colorado a bus driver can accused of human trafficking of a minor.
Let me give you a scenario

A bus driver pick up a girl at a certain hour.
Dropped off at her stop.

This happens for a period of a week

By the end of this week the bus driver knows what this girl is doing

She's going from her house to work in the corner of prostitute.

He is guilty of transporting a minor for prostitution. WITH OUT EVEN KNOWING
SHE SAW A MINOR AND SHE WAS A PROSTITUTE.

My Chargers are only based on assumption by the DEA.

The fact that the judge is dropping my charges one by one shows that she believes my innocence.

[Tsjessy]

It makes me happy to say that I personally know, or have seen working, trans women who have "regular" jobs like anyone else outside of the sex industry: an attorney; a paralegal; a salesperson at Home Depot; a salesperson at IKEA; 2 who work at the makeup dept in Macy's; a hairdresser; a parking lot attendant; a maid at a hotel; and one who works at Starbucks. I live in Los Angeles and maybe there is more tolerance here but most of these jobs do not require a privileged background that affords ample educational opportunities early in life nor the luck of the draw. However, they do require consistency, punctuality, patience, the tolerance to work with others, and the desire to blend into the mainstream. I recognize that not all TS women may want those things.

Colorado is very lgbt-friendly place control by conservative people.

Before I was a pornstar had a regular job
Anemos I paid more than $9 to $11 an hour
And honestly that is not enough to pay
My health. My home, my pets, my cas, and all my bills. Working in the adult industry
Is a safe environment pays bit more but still keeps u in middle class not rich

[Tsjessy]

You didn't read what I wrote. I wanted to know how do you know what she is being charged with? I haven't heard anything beyond a vague statement by her.

What would you like to know what I'm being charged with so you can make fun of me. So you can have more dirt..

I have a feeling you are not open to help so there's no need for me to tell you my problems

[Tsjessy]

Well everything about this is strange to say the very least. She says she's being targeted because she is a porn star and because she is trans. She says she went from being "fine" to over $75,000 in debt within 3 days. She said her man posted bail of 40k for her. No idea where the other 35k of debt came from. She says she is looking at 20 to life one time then later she says 25 to life later...maybe a simple mistake. She says she has a public defender and the case is going before a grand jury at some point.

I don't know what the hell the other charges could be but judge's don't set $40,000 bonds just because you are a ts porn star. I just googled $40,000 bond Colorado and the cases you get are bank robbery, drug distribution (meth, coke), child porn, child sexual abuse, and negligent child abuse resulting in death.

You got it all wrong. I would love to help you understand but I have a feeling you're not so I'm not even going to bother.
You will get your reply when I polish my book, I appear on a TV show talking about my story. Or as soon as my lawyer gives me permission to talk about details about my case I will

[Tsjessy]

it's a shitload of passive income. the real tops performers are millionaires, or are doing OK. Mia Isabella (retired, granted), Madison Hinton to name but two. Jessy is also top of the line, so it's surprising that she doesn't make much or cannot afford $30,000.

Ok let's cout all my sense a movies in the couse of my 3 year career
57 videoa I have done in total payed at 800$/100$ almost 75.000 now let's ad my 300$ monthly bills, plus the travel expenses, plus the outfits, makeup, props, do u think I'm still swimming in.money?
Let not forget this legal bs. the 40k, bond I payed, 1500$ for discvery, 10k I gave my lawyer for pre trials. Plus fees and fees and fees.

Now I am down to 500$ in the back because the legal system has taken every single penny I own

And I still have to keep paying My layer after this case. I don't have $30,000 to pay for the trial so apparently I'm going to be in debt with my lawyer for years to come

I spend all my $$ making my self famous and when the time to use that fame and make $$$ came this case began and stopped me from working. Now my income got reduced to only depend on what I make fom my website monthly and what I make on chaturbate.

[MarkRich84]

Tough times make people stronger.

It's hard to see it when you're in the middle of a big pile of shit... but once all this has been sorted, you'll be a stronger, more determined person because of it.

Fuck what anyone thinks about it. If you are confident enough to believe you are right, then that's all you need.

Once you've won, and you can get back to doing your job, you'll be unstoppable!!!

[holzz]

Ms. Jenny, I'm sorry i've been an ass in this thread. it's from ignorance,and not to knock you, i don't know you. I've enjoyed your work, as I am sure many others have too! I wish you all the best in this affair, and you get cleared of all charges soon.

[Ben in LA]

All of these comments about someone thinking they'd never see it and respond...golden. Thank you Jessy for clearing everything up. See you Friday.

[holzz]

The reason I asked for help from my fans is because once this legal battle began they stop me from travelling. And that stoped me from working and making money and forced me to use all my life savings.

Yes I have a site Jessydubai.Com that produces money monthly but that only pays my apt, car, insurance, bills and it's not enough. And now with legal fees, pre trials, hiring lawyers, investigators, etc all that requires money. .... money I don't have because I couldn't travel for work. So I had to use all the money I had in my savings.

wow that sucks...


I figured if I asked my fans that's so much brag a bout loving me and wanting to do things for me. I figured wy not ask help to stay out of jail and prove my innocence.

I'm not asking for 100, 200, 10000$
I have my son so they could help me even with $1, $5, $10 what ever helped. And the money that I didn't use for my legal case it was going to be donated to an LGBT group here in denver.


But I see some people like u are more worried about the gossip that to actually try to help me.

Ir sad to see how empty and haRd some people's hearts are....


The s***** things that I get the toughest
Critics from people that don't know me

wow....that sucks...:(

I hope it turns around for you soon.

[holzz]

Thank you sweetie. Everyone that is outside the adult industry will sing the pornstar we are swimming in money

The only the people we are in the industry we know what this world really is about

:( I feel guilty for making this point now.

[MrFanti]

All of these comments about someone thinking they'd never see it and respond...golden. Thank you Jessy for clearing everything up. See you Friday.

Yep!
Armchair experts that think they know everything...