To trans women and girls that shame guys who like to bottom!

[BCboyCOMINGatYA!]

I am not sure what this forum is like for this subject, I did do a search but didnt turn much up.

I am 32 and live in vancouver, there is an ok tg scene here but just way too many guys that like them to a slightly lame number of trans girls . Over my years, I have been called all kinds of shit for my sexual preferences , and fucked up enough, genetic females are pretty much the only ones who always just dont mind the idea of it or think its hot.

I like to bottom for tgirls , so straight people consider me gay, gay people just get annoyed and or think I am fucked up for liking cock but not theirs (Though lots usually just seem disapointed and or just walk away rudely) And tgirls, half of them would call me everything from a "Tranny chaser" To a "Closet faggot" To just saying they are a "Fetish" To me. Now I understand their point of view on the matter, most dont want to top, some get sick at the idea.... But for fucks sake, to straight up shun people that are attracted to trans women for something they cant help , someone that one day may go to bat for yo well that shit is just fucked up with what you girls have to go through in life (And I think ,and hope its going to get a load better for you ladies soon enough :D)

But really, you can ignore guys that like it, you can tell em "Not interested" But to be rude to someone based on what they like sexually? Honestly, the only thing I hate about myself, is my sexuality. I think I;d rather just be gay , I'd be able to find a good lay once in a while and instead of hearing some fucking slur half the time when I say what I like, I'd get to hear "Shitty I am a bottom too" LOL. But alas I got close to being with a dude once and I turtled like it was trying to turn into a vagina lol. Not for me... Not for me.

All I am saying is, Look at guys like me however you want, its your right, but be accepting and not a cunt about it. One girl called me a closet faggot, she had pics of her at a huge LGBT parade somewhere , in her profile she preached about LGBT rights, so in my reply I asked her "So where do I fit into in all that?" She tells me I am straight and blah blah blah...... From faggot to straight in 2 seconds flat! I know not all girls are like that, but I love trans women, but I gave up one them, I havnt met one in 8 years. Just saying, guys like me, or at least me, did not pick this as our sexuality and not all of us are just fucked up dudes wanting to get off.

I am just hoping at least a couple of girls read this and the next time they are on a dating site and about to type in "Bottoms go the fuck away, ewwww" You realize that you arent showing anything but that you are shallow, selfish, and just straight up intolerant, girls like you OF ALL people should know what the fuck its like to be shunned or shamed due to something you can't help. Right now I am looking at t girls again and looking to travel, and still, almost 10 years later I see the same profiles. you dont like bottoms? SAY IT, BUT SAY IT WITH SOME FUCKING CLASS.

Who knows how any of you guys or gals will respond to this, agree, disagree, call me a whiny shit, I have noticed I like how some people respond in this forum (Seriously, 10 times more mature then my gun forum... Aint that funny?... And a bit scarey)

[SanDiegoPervySage]

The LGBT pride thing is funny because it seems like they really aren't united, at least when it comes to gays and trans. Just going off of what I've read in chat groups and other forums, but they treat each other like shit. Referring to gays as fags and whatnot. Hell, some(and I only mean some) trans women who are far along in their transition will say some nasty shit about women who are not pretty enough, or very far or even began their transition, so there's discrimination within their own group. I mean damn. It's hard to give a shit their issues with so much pettiness floating around. I'm curious what the average, completely passable, 10/10 hot trans person feels towards the not so passable or attractive trans person.

[Laphroaig]

Most (though not all) trans girls want to be seen and treated fully as women. It could be argued that being a top isn't really compatible with that. If they are on dating (as opposed to escort) sites, then presumably they are looking for a long term relationship, during which they may want to undergo gender reassignment surgery, thereby losing the ability to top altogether. If the guy she's dating is a confirmed bottom, then there's a good chance of losing him at the same time. Why take that risk? Does it not make more sense to state that they are not interested in bottoms from the outset?

It's just the same as defining preferences on any dating profile where people will say "no ages under/over xx, no fatties, baldies, short arses, etc need apply", in order to try and maximise the chances of getting replies from "compatible" people only. I agree though, there's right and wrong ways to state those preferences.

[BCboyCOMINGatYA!]

Most (though not all) trans girls want to be seen and treated fully as women. It could be argued that being a top isn't really compatible with that. If they are on dating (as opposed to escort) sites, then presumably they are looking for a long term relationship, during which they may want to undergo gender reassignment surgery, thereby losing the ability to top altogether. If the guy she's dating is a confirmed bottom, then there's a good chance of losing him at the same time. Why take that risk? Does it not make more sense to state that they are not interested in bottoms from the outset?

It's just the same as defining preferences on any dating profile where people will say "no ages under/over xx, no fatties, baldies, short arses, etc need apply", in order to try and maximise the chances of getting replies from "compatible" people only. I agree though, there's right and wrong ways to state those preferences.

not sure if you're replying to MY post? I dont think you read it in its entirety. If your that lazy, save some time, read the second to last paragraph... And if being so lazy is a problem, read the upper case letters just at the end of the paragraph, thanks.

I dont need to be told that girls with vaginas cant top, thanks though.

[giovanni_hotel]

IMO it's no different than being guy into GG and telling those women you don't like to fuck and only want to be penetrated.

How do you think those women are going to react??

Most the TG women I know prefer to bottom even if they're vers.

How do you feel about being topped by a CD/DQ??

Just saying you might have better luck finding partners.

[BCboyCOMINGatYA!]

IMO it's no different than being guy into GG and telling those women you don't like to fuck and only want to be penetrated.

How do you think those women are going to react??

Most the TG women I know prefer to bottom even if they're vers.

How do you feel about being topped by a CD/DQ??

Just saying you might have better luck finding partners.

Again, its not about finding partners, I have accepted my partners will come when I open my wallet. Its about not being a fucking cunt.

I am not new to this, again, I think you need to read the entire post. Its about how someone says it. I am not into guys, but my profiles dont say "No men, stay away you faggots" There is way of saying it properly wouldnt you say?

"IMO it's no different than being guy into GG and telling those women you don't like to fuck and only want to be penetrated." Yeah.... I;d say its a little bit different since one might have the ability or even like to do it, while the other has a box. I am into GG , I dont have a choice lol, I top because I can and it gets me off, but its not what I love, so is that my fault that its what I like? I dont think so, again, READ the post, I said if I had a choice that wouldnt be it, and its the one and only thing I hate about myself

. AND , again, READ THE ENTIRE POST, most girls arent as against assplay as you might think :D I actually specifically said that females by FAR take that news the best.

I mean shit , you say "Only like to be penetrated" Come on man, you didnt even read the title of this post lol. I send a post out to girls and two guys dont read it and answer to it ?

[Laphroaig]

not sure if you're replying to MY post? I dont think you read it in its entirety. If your that lazy, save some time, read the second to last paragraph... And if being so lazy is a problem, read the upper case letters just at the end of the paragraph, thanks.

I dont need to be told that girls with vaginas cant top, thanks though.

Oh dear...

I take it then that you didn't read my final sentence which was a direct responsr agreeing with your upper case words...

[TheBlueEyedKid]

The bottom line (pardon the pun) is that people who discriminate against others because of their gender or sexual preference are usually weak and insecure about themselves. You're right to point out the hypocrisy of some trans people, but people like that normally get what's coming to them in the long run.

I have a related question. How many guys on here are open about their fondness for TS girls with their friends / family? I must admit I'm not. It's not because I'm afraid of being labelled as a homosexual, it's more that I wouldn't know where to start as I am not just a 'tranny chaser', I'm someone who simply finds women attractive whether they have a pussy or a cock.

I have been lucky enough to date a TS girl, I was always proud to be seen out with her, but it never got to the point where she met my friends or family.

Anyone here crossed that bridge yet?

[BCboyCOMINGatYA!]

Oh dear...

I take it then that you didn't read my final sentence which was a direct responsr agreeing with your upper case words...

You gotta beleive me that I tried to edit that post and for whatever reason it wont let me based on the fact it sounded a bit prickish when I reread it and it was not my intention

"If the guy she's dating is a confirmed bottom, then there's a good chance of losing him at the same time. Why take that risk? Does it not make more sense to state that they are not interested in bottoms from the start?" I figured that was in regards to or disagreeing with something I said, the question marks made me think so. Sorry, I am kind of annoyed I cant edit any of my posts :D



The bottom line (pardon the pun)
Anyone here crossed that bridge yet?

I havn't, hell, my family has barely ever met any of my gg girlfriends lol.

[Jericho]

Blah, blah, blah.
If the worst thing that happens to you today is that you get called a cock sucking faggot, you're on a winner...Celebrate! :shrug

[melody mayheim]

I dont understand why any girl would put you down for being a bottom right from jump....seems like there's more to this story. I feel like the only time girls attack is when their defending themselves. Some of you guys wanna have "fun" secretly but too cheap or broke to pay...then we're all types of hoes and sluts because we dont allow u to use us for our bodies for free. Im guilty of being a "cunt" I will quickly put someone in their place. We can have "fun" with someone who is open about their sexuality..who actually admire and love us. Why settle for an occasional secret session?
Bottom line is who cares? Are you that sensitive? They call u a closet bottom faggot...own it! Lol
Some call me a tranny slut and I let them know Im a sexy tranny whore cuz a smart girl gets PAID! LOL
I agree with u laph
And pervysage...for once lol

[melody mayheim]

I meant to like ur post jericho!

[Jericho]

I meant to like ur post jericho!

Pffft, too late for that now, init, you big thumbed cock sucking faggot! :dead-1:
Love you, I hope the rest of your day is fucking fantastic! x

[BCboyCOMINGatYA!]

Pffft, too late for that now, init, you big thumbed cock sucking faggot! :dead-1:
Love you, I hope the rest of your day is fucking fantastic! x

There I liked it for her cuz fuck that made me laugh , so I made this for first world prob meme just for me from you https://i.imgflip.com/153ws5.jpg


And nah Melody, I am not even an ugly guy either, no more to the story. Just something that gets to me at times and throwing it out there. Where the hell else can I do it? The perverts (Including me) On this forum make me laugh. And no, I dont look for freebies. That shit didnt work when I was young and ripped to hell, I surely dont think its gonna work now :D

[BCboyCOMINGatYA!]

But again, a bit of a missed mark , if it comes off "as boo hoo, shemales are mean to me" ITs not what it was supposed to say, when I specifically brought up the one dummy, it was to show what she was saying and doing was so ridiculously stupid. IF you read it , you will see I am straight again at the end, it all got sorted out :D

I specifically do not like my preference in sex due to it being an expensive one and the numbers being shit. That part was whiny and I stand by that.

And Melody, you said you dont know why they would be rude right off the jump because me liking the bottom, I dunno either, hence my post telling them its dumb as fuck.

[SanDiegoPervySage]

I dont understand why any girl would put you down for being a bottom right from jump....seems like there's more to this story. I feel like the only time girls attack is when their defending themselves. Some of you guys wanna have "fun" secretly but too cheap or broke to pay...then we're all types of hoes and sluts because we dont allow u to use us for our bodies for free. Im guilty of being a "cunt" I will quickly put someone in their place. We can have "fun" with someone who is open about their sexuality..who actually admire and love us. Why settle for an occasional secret session?
Bottom line is who cares? Are you that sensitive? They call u a closet bottom faggot...own it! Lol
Some call me a tranny slut and I let them know Im a sexy tranny whore cuz a smart girl gets PAID! LOL
I agree with u laph
And pervysage...for once lol

We're making progress. One step at a time.

[lordworm]

Get ready son, as a man you will always be shamed for not being what society expects a man to be. A tall strong, emotionless, brutish, walking ATM machine.

[MrFanti]

Most (though not all) trans girls want to be seen and treated fully as women. It could be argued that being a top isn't really compatible with that. If they are on dating (as opposed to escort) sites, then presumably they are looking for a long term relationship, during which they may want to undergo gender reassignment surgery, thereby losing the ability to top altogether. If the guy she's dating is a confirmed bottom, then there's a good chance of losing him at the same time. Why take that risk? Does it not make more sense to state that they are not interested in bottoms from the outset?

It's just the same as defining preferences on any dating profile where people will say "no ages under/over xx, no fatties, baldies, short arses, etc need apply", in order to try and maximise the chances of getting replies from "compatible" people only. I agree though, there's right and wrong ways to state those preferences.

You've somewhat hinted on an area that I don't think has been discussed - and that's the perspective of transgender women (MTF) who are either post-op or aspiring to be post-op.

[Laphroaig]

You gotta beleive me that I tried to edit that post and for whatever reason it wont let me based on the fact it sounded a bit prickish when I reread it and it was not my intention

"If the guy she's dating is a confirmed bottom, then there's a good chance of losing him at the same time. Why take that risk? Does it not make more sense to state that they are not interested in bottoms from the start?" I figured that was in regards to or disagreeing with something I said, the question marks made me think so. Sorry, I am kind of annoyed I cant edit any of my posts :D



No worries, there's a 10 min window in which you can edit posts before they are locked and after that can only be altered by contacting a moderator. Means I can't change the typo in my last post either...:(


Blah, blah, blah.
If the worst thing that happens to you today is that you get called a cock sucking faggot, you're on a weiner...Celebrate! :shrug

Sorry, couldn't resist...:D

[lifeisfiction]

I dont understand why any girl would put you down for being a bottom right from jump....seems like there's more to this story. I feel like the only time girls attack is when their defending themselves. Some of you guys wanna have "fun" secretly but too cheap or broke to pay...then we're all types of hoes and sluts because we dont allow u to use us for our bodies for free. Im guilty of being a "cunt" I will quickly put someone in their place. We can have "fun" with someone who is open about their sexuality..who actually admire and love us. Why settle for an occasional secret session?
Bottom line is who cares? Are you that sensitive? They call u a closet bottom faggot...own it! Lol
Some call me a tranny slut and I let them know Im a sexy tranny whore cuz a smart girl gets PAID! LOL
I agree with u laph
And pervysage...for once lol

I am going to disagree with you my dear. Sorry, but I don't think this has anything to do with money or being secretive. From my personal experience a lot of ts don't really care to top. I have dated working and non-working woman. Many prefer to bottom in their personal time. Even escorts I know that say they do both tend to bottom with me most of the time. Those that top tell me while it feels good to top they prefer men that top. My first experience was bottoming for a gg. She liked to use strap-ons. The first time I had my ass eaten was with a another gg. Those are not women who you normally meet, you get lucky. Very lucky to meet women into those sort of tings. I have been fortunate. Even gg's who like anal sex are very uncommon.

I honestly like bottoming as well as topping, but the reality is for me is that most ts are going to bottom with me. I would like to have agreed about the money part, but I have had on numerous occasions with escorts being asked me to top them even though their ad specifically said they only top. Whenever an escort had asked me to comeback on her time, it was only to top.

And yes one my ex-ts gf said, she looked down on guys who bottom. She felt they wanted her they would top her. Those were her and her friends words not mine. So, I can under the OPs frustration, but he will just have to be patient and realize his pool is limited.

[love4ts2]

There are all kinds of people in this world. I have never met a tgirl who wasn't happy doing verse play with me. It sure always felt like we both enjoyed whatever we were doing at any given time. So, you definitely can't generalize just as much as I can't generalize thinking that I could have the same great experience with all tgirls.

[Chaos]

I've still not been with anything but GG's ...BUT what I know (from friends in the industry and not) is that labels are useless.
If other people want them,fine....but really,why worry? I'm not gay,I'm not straight,I'm not bi....the ONLY label that matters is my NAME. You (or anyone) can call me whatever you like...doesn't matter to me.
I like what I like,that doesn't mean I am defined by it...unless I CHOOSE to be.Words are just random noise made by air and vibrations... A breeze never hurt anyone....Melody is right....OWN that shit....then they can't get to you.

[BCboyCOMINGatYA!]

I've still not been with anything but GG's ...BUT what I know (from friends in the industry and not) is that labels are useless.
If other people want them,fine....but really,why worry? I'm not gay,I'm not straight,I'm not bi....the ONLY label that matters is my NAME. You (or anyone) can call me whatever you like...doesn't matter to me.
I like what I like,that doesn't mean I am defined by it...unless I CHOOSE to be.Words are just random noise made by air and vibrations... A breeze never hurt anyone....Melody is right....OWN that shit....then they can't get to you.

oh the disheartening part is the search, as lifeisfiction pointed out, thats just a number things and they are heavily wieghed against me, but that is what is, there is no possible chance for change in that (And actually I think its about to get a lot harder lol) . The words dont hurt, made it clear in the post that I was telling them to give their head shake. It'll be useless to most, maybe all, who knows . Thanks for the answers people.

But we dont need to turn into pats on the back for me, I am 32 , I knew I loved tgirls at 18. I did alright for myself as far as girls I was seeing back in my early 20's. Bit of a heart break so I stepped away. But like any dog I come wandering back home again :D

I am not out and open and scream from the mountain tops I take girl cock, but I will go out with any girl I like mostly anywhere. I like it when people look lol. My family has considered me bi(I guess) since I was 20 when I told them I am attracted to tgirls (Big mistake, but hey, live and learn !)

I get why they dislike guys like me, they are allowed to, just like society is allowed to hate them for what they are right? It is what it is sadly. But society is being taught new things, I thought maybe its time to throw it out there . #Bottomguys4tgirlsmatter !

[holzz]

there is a reason most escorts tend to be tops. or porn stars. it's what sells and want most may want.

i think like everything, there are different reasons for it. some reckon it's gay, others don't, some think bottoming is less manly, others don't. i think bottoms also come in various forms. for some it's because it really hits their spots, literally and figuratively. for otehrs, it's dominance, for some it's a halfway house to do it with a cisgender male.

[holzz]

so much text i will answer later but is not only males everything that get fucked get shame wheter girl or guy


have u heard about slut shaming? girls get shame for getting fucked, boys gets glory for fucking

for fucking a lot maybe, but then women have to take, unless they grow cocks and fuck...

[holzz]

to answer OP, I think it's a mix of...well TS women are human. it IS hypocritical to condemn others and then say "treat me humaaaaan!!!!" but then meh, humans are hypocrites. it's how it is.

and despite PC society, many do still think men should give in sex and only women take......i sometimes think people on the WWW tend to just say shit they don't mean, or dont' care since it's anonymous. or they really do think in liberal sex, but then for whatever reason don't say it in public.

Or dont hang about with judgmental people, imho this is the issue you have.

as fro tranny chasers, or being accused of such, i dunno. I guess it's because they have men who fuck them and dump them, and you can understand why if you were in their position.

but i've had escorts tell me i'm a fag or a gay boy for bottoming,, or saying "why are you bottoming? is it a state of mind, do you like to dress up or be feminine??" hahahahahaaha...no, i don't think i ever could crossdress, and i like to bottom since it feels good, little else.

[peacheater]

Seems to me that people might be missing the OPs point. Yes, it's understandable that most trans women probably aren't comfortable with topping considering that they identify as female and traditionally women aren't dominant within sexual roles. Although even that could be argued is due to cultural "norms" - and if anything the LGTB community represent the stark reality that "norms" are not absolutes and definitely should not be forced upon people if it's not their nature.

Now, given how quick the LGTB community are to cry "bigot" "homophobe" "transphobe" etc when their nature is shamed, ridiculed or criticized, don't you think they would be a wee more considerate of others whose sexual interests also deviate from the "norm"?

Or maybe the experiences the OP mentions are just proof that being an asshole has nothing to do with gender? Assholes, we've all got one, and anyone can be one.

[MrFanti]

I'd like to hear more transgender women's responses here. Especially from both sides (those that have a desire to go post-op and those that don't).

[holzz]

Seems to me that people might be missing the OPs point. Yes, it's understandable that most trans women probably aren't comfortable with topping considering that they identify as female and traditionally women aren't dominant within sexual roles. Although even that could be argued is due to cultural "norms" - and if anything the LGTB community represent the stark reality that "norms" are not absolutes and definitely should not be forced upon people if it's not their nature.

Now, given how quick the LGTB community are to cry "bigot" "homophobe" "transphobe" etc when their nature is shamed, ridiculed or criticized, don't you think they would be a wee more considerate of others whose sexual interests also deviate from the "norm"?

Or maybe the experiences the OP mentions are just proof that being an asshole has nothing to do with gender? Assholes, we've all got one, and anyone can be one.

his point was clear. i stand by saying...well humans are hypocrites. humans are contrary. humans are complex. being trans still makes one human. i'm a cis male who detests prejudice but dislikes arabs, and who loves freedom but thinks junk food should be banned..go figure that out, i have i don't give a fuck..lol.

[runningdownthatdream]

I am not sure what this forum is like for this subject, I did do a search but didnt turn much up.

I am 32 and live in vancouver, there is an ok tg scene here but just way too many guys that like them to a slightly lame number of trans girls . Over my years, I have been called all kinds of shit for my sexual preferences , and fucked up enough, genetic females are pretty much the only ones who always just dont mind the idea of it or think its hot.

I like to bottom for tgirls , so straight people consider me gay, gay people just get annoyed and or think I am fucked up for liking cock but not theirs (Though lots usually just seem disapointed and or just walk away rudely) And tgirls, half of them would call me everything from a "Tranny chaser" To a "Closet faggot" To just saying they are a "Fetish" To me. Now I understand their point of view on the matter, most dont want to top, some get sick at the idea.... But for fucks sake, to straight up shun people that are attracted to trans women for something they cant help , someone that one day may go to bat for yo well that shit is just fucked up with what you girls have to go through in life (And I think ,and hope its going to get a load better for you ladies soon enough :D)

But really, you can ignore guys that like it, you can tell em "Not interested" But to be rude to someone based on what they like sexually? Honestly, the only thing I hate about myself, is my sexuality. I think I;d rather just be gay , I'd be able to find a good lay once in a while and instead of hearing some fucking slur half the time when I say what I like, I'd get to hear "Shitty I am a bottom too" LOL. But alas I got close to being with a dude once and I turtled like it was trying to turn into a vagina lol. Not for me... Not for me.

All I am saying is, Look at guys like me however you want, its your right, but be accepting and not a cunt about it. One girl called me a closet faggot, she had pics of her at a huge LGBT parade somewhere , in her profile she preached about LGBT rights, so in my reply I asked her "So where do I fit into in all that?" She tells me I am straight and blah blah blah...... From faggot to straight in 2 seconds flat! I know not all girls are like that, but I love trans women, but I gave up one them, I havnt met one in 8 years. Just saying, guys like me, or at least me, did not pick this as our sexuality and not all of us are just fucked up dudes wanting to get off.

I am just hoping at least a couple of girls read this and the next time they are on a dating site and about to type in "Bottoms go the fuck away, ewwww" You realize that you arent showing anything but that you are shallow, selfish, and just straight up intolerant, girls like you OF ALL people should know what the fuck its like to be shunned or shamed due to something you can't help. Right now I am looking at t girls again and looking to travel, and still, almost 10 years later I see the same profiles. you dont like bottoms? SAY IT, BUT SAY IT WITH SOME FUCKING CLASS.

Who knows how any of you guys or gals will respond to this, agree, disagree, call me a whiny shit, I have noticed I like how some people respond in this forum (Seriously, 10 times more mature then my gun forum... Aint that funny?... And a bit scarey)

Take this anyway you want to: a man doesn't refer to himself as a boy (so you can start by calling yourself something other than BCBoyCOMINGAtYA!). Boys are ....well boys. Not men. And Women - GG or TG - are going to treat like you're less than a man if you see yourself as less than a man. Next, your post into the ether looking for answers about why you feel the way you do (because really that's what you're getting at here) is kinda like that sad, lonely dipshit who tosses a message in a bottle into the sea asking for someone to love. Its really just sad. Third, recognize who YOU are and behave accordingly and stop chastising others for not seeing you the way YOU THINK you should be seen. Maybe you're just young or maybe stupid or maybe it's just millennial whining. No-one really cares. Enjoy your life.

[Wendy Summers]

My thoughts on this:

1) As others have suggested, there are a number of TS women for whom topping is a reminder of everything they dislike about themselves. If you're pressuring those women, I'm certain you'll see that baggage bubble up as a response.

2) There's a large group of guys who get turned on being called gay slurs while they are fulfilling their cock sucking/ bottoming fantasies. So if you're hearing it from a service provider, it may be because they're applying that experience to you.

3) There's another group of people (both men & women) who use trans-people as their way of exploring homosexuality/ bisexuality while being in denial about it. These folks treat transpeople like "gay-lite" and their behavior is very off-putting to transfolks because it's very obvious from our vantage point what the person is in denial about given the way we are approached.

[Kioji]

I have a related question. How many guys on here are open about their fondness for TS girls with their friends / family? I must admit I'm not. It's not because I'm afraid of being labelled as a homosexual, it's more that I wouldn't know where to start as I am not just a 'tranny chaser', I'm someone who simply finds women attractive whether they have a pussy or a cock.

I have been lucky enough to date a TS girl, I was always proud to be seen out with her, but it never got to the point where she met my friends or family.

Anyone here crossed that bridge yet?
Too young so not much experience in dating but i have told most of my friends

[BCboyCOMINGatYA!]

My thoughts on this:

1) As others have suggested, there are a number of TS women for whom topping is a reminder of everything they dislike about themselves. If you're pressuring those women, I'm certain you'll see that baggage bubble up as a response.

2) There's a large group of guys who get turned on being called gay slurs while they are fulfilling their cock sucking/ bottoming fantasies. So if you're hearing it from a service provider, it may be because they're applying that experience to you.

3) There's another group of people (both men & women) who use trans-people as their way of exploring homosexuality/ bisexuality while being in denial about it. These folks treat transpeople like "gay-lite" and their behavior is very off-putting to transfolks because it's very obvious from our vantage point what the person is in denial about given the way we are approached.

Nah, not providers , dirty talk is dirty talk ! Trying to avoid getting a provider for now ( I will probably give in, just vancouvers scene SUCKS) :D And I do understand the reminder point you bring up, as I said , I can understand why they dont like it , as I said, I dont like men but my profiles do not say "No faggots, dont im me"

I laughed pretty hard at the gay-lite :D