The term "transgendered". Please chime in

[ed_jaxon]

Looking for opinions.

I got into a discussion with a cis woman I have been seeing about the term. Twice she firmly corrected me regarding using the term transgendered as opposed to transgender.

She knows I am active in the community but told me I sound ignorant when I use this term. I want to know what actual ladies who are in the community 24/7 think rather than a professional protester.

I get the reasoning behind the term but the only people I really see upset are activist types rather than the everyday person.

One of the arguments that is used is that one would not use maled or femaled to describe gender, but logically you would if you said male "gendered" or female "gendered" to match the trans "gendered".

Thoughts? Especially from trans individuals.

[Gillian]

Her point may be more grammatical than political. I would have thought it's more correct to describe someone as transgendered than just transgender.

But then again, reflecting on this thread, I would say it was well written, not welled written ... ;)

[nysprod]

Looking for opinions.

I got into a discussion with a cis woman I have been seeing about the term. Twice she firmly corrected me regarding using the term transgendered as opposed to transgender.

She knows I am active in the community but told me I sound ignorant when I use this term. I want to know what actual ladies who are in the community 24/7 think rather than a professional protester.

I get the reasoning behind the term but the only people I really see upset are activist types rather than the everyday person.

One of the arguments that is used is that one would not use maled or femaled to describe gender, but logically you would if you said male "gendered" or female "gendered" to match the trans "gendered".

Thoughts? Especially from trans individuals.

IDK, to me it sounds like it should be ok...I am curious to see what some transgender(ed) people have to say though lol

[Gillian]

Some more Googling reveals that transgender is the more common term. In the eyes of the Grammar Nazis, it may not be 100% correct, but I think it's what you'll hear in everyday use. FWIW, it's what I use ... :)

[Trapt53]

Probably to ask questions like this on non-porn sites.

http://www.glaad.org/reference/transgender



Problematic: "transgendered"
Preferred: transgender
The adjective transgender should never have an extraneous "-ed" tacked onto the end. An "-ed" suffix adds unnecessary length to the word and can cause tense confusion and grammatical errors. It also brings transgender into alignment with lesbian, gay, and bisexual. You would not say that Elton John is "gayed" or Ellen DeGeneres is "lesbianed," therefore you would not say Chaz Bono is "transgendered."

Here's other discussions you might find interesting.

https://www.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/comments/mh0q9/is_transgendered_considered_offensive_when/

https://www.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/comments/ps9zd/transgendered/

https://www.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/comments/1jdicz/how_do_i_use_transgendered_as_an_adjective/


Just remember no community is completely monolithic. As you see in some of the discussions not everyone agrees.

[ed_jaxon]

To my friends and aquaintences here, let me hear you're views. Consider yourself a trans activist? Let me know what you think.

[GroobySteven]

Transgender person is the the term.
Transgendered infers that someone has 'became' that or it's a condition.

[giovanni_hotel]

Damn Ed, you've got some uptight friends.!!!lol

I thought calling someone 'transgendered' was like calling a biracial person 'mixed'.

Sometimes I used 'transgender', other times 'transgendered'. Or just 'trans'.

I seriously doubt a TG person really is bothered by it, but I really wouldn't know.

[ed_jaxon]

Gay and lesbian are terms which describe sexual attractions and are different from gender identification.

Male, female and trans are the correct comparisons.

Sometimes dealing with activists pisses me off and often they are the ones driving the labeling.

While one would not say male gendered or female gendered, technically they are correct, colloquial but correct.

Steven you always have to deal with many of these peeps on a variety of issues. That has to be difficult.

[KellyKlaymour]

I get the reasoning behind the term but the only people I really see upset are activist types rather than the everyday person.

That's exactly it.

Especially coming from you, you're good people and it's obvious you mean no ill-will. Don't sweat it, whoever called you out is just looking for a fight.

[youngblood61]

I think it's ok. Would love to hear what some of the girls think.

[shushu]

Transgender person is the the term.
Transgendered infers that someone has 'became' that or it's a condition.
This sounds correct to me.
Transgender is born that way. A transgender woman is a woman born in a particularly male body.
A transgendered person in contrast can be for example a male sex worker who turns into some transition thing for business reasons.
I think both terms are ok in the right context, but calling a transgender woman transgendered assumes she has not been a woman always. So that cuts her rights as a woman.
I am a straight guy who is just addicted to transgender women, not an activist. But to me this explanation sounds human common sense, especially when you want to love a transgender woman as what she in the first line is, a woman!

[peacheater]

No matter what you say, you're going to upset/trigger somebody somewhere.

[Ecstatic]

I side with "transgender" (if it has to be called out at all, that is).

[THEbottom]

I am not a trans but I simply don't see the point of the discussion ! They are not Trans anything they are simply girls !

[holzz]

trans - Latin for change or conversion to or across or moving towards or spanning.

"trans-Atlantic", "trans-continental"

i'm a cis male, but i've never heard any trans woman say it's wrong to say.

[simes]

I find it amusing that a man who makes a living out using such terms as "Ladyboy" and "shemale" is not really the point of reference for what is suitable. I follow a number of girls on twitter (as he does as well no doubt) and they're fairly unambiguous about such terms.

[Cyclops]

Looking for opinions.

I got into a discussion with a cis woman I have been seeing about the term. Twice she firmly corrected me regarding using the term transgendered as opposed to transgender.

She knows I am active in the community but told me I sound ignorant when I use this term. I want to know what actual ladies who are in the community 24/7 think rather than a professional protester.

I get the reasoning behind the term but the only people I really see upset are activist types rather than the everyday person.

One of the arguments that is used is that one would not use maled or femaled to describe gender, but logically you would if you said male "gendered" or female "gendered" to match the trans "gendered".

Thoughts? Especially from trans individuals.

you are male or female gender not gendered.gender is noun not adjective or verb

you would say you are male,female or transgender,not maled , femaled or transgendered

[GroobySteven]

I find it amusing that a man who makes a living out using such terms as "Ladyboy" and "shemale" is not really the point of reference for what is suitable. I follow a number of girls on twitter (as he does as well no doubt) and they're fairly unambiguous about such terms.

I actually probably have a wider view and more educated understanding than they, having met with more trans women and trans men, from different backgrounds and viewpoints, workdwide than they, and discussed this. My using the words Ladyboy or Shemale, in the context of the porn that our company sells, isn't relevant to this. So in no uncertain terms ... .

[simes]

I actually probably have a wider view and more educated understanding than they, having met with more trans women and trans men, from different backgrounds and viewpoints, workdwide than they, and discussed this. My using the words Ladyboy or Shemale, in the context of the porn that our company sells, isn't relevant to this. So in no uncertain terms ... .

So you're saying that your perpetuating of such dislikeable terms such as ladyboy or shemale (for pornographic convenience) is not relevant to this discussion of transgender terminology? I suggest it is. Such trite and lazy labelling is anathema to many and using the term "tranny" with all its negative connotations - at least in my country - is hardly helpful. But then, I don't single-handed support, develop, promote and peddle transsexual pornography, so cannot possibly be expected to have an opinion until i have done all that you have.

[GroobySteven]

So you're saying that your perpetuating of such dislikeable terms such as ladyboy or shemale (for pornographic convenience) is not relevant to this discussion of transgender terminology? I suggest it is. Such trite and lazy labelling is anathema to many and using the term "tranny" with all its negative connotations - at least in my country - is hardly helpful. But then, I don't single-handed support, develop, promote and peddle transsexual pornography, so cannot possibly be expected to have an opinion until i have done all that you have.

Yet you participate in a forum HungAngels which uses such 'dislikeable terms such as ladyboy or shemale' all through the site (it being a forum aimed at those who enjoy pornography, thus is contextually correct). The labeling is neither trite nor lazy, but perfect market descriptors in the worldwide use for the market of transsexual pornography. The issues if we started using 'transgender' for pornography, I've discussed in detail as being problematic as I'm sure you are aware.
You may have an opinion, but it's unlikely to hold as much weight as someone who has far more experience, has met with more trans men and trans women worldwide and discussed this, and as much as a small handful may disagree, has worked with in advocacy for trans men and trans women's rights.

Let me ask you a question, if you have such a problem with both the usage of the words 'shemale' and 'ladyboy' (and by proxy and your posts, with me personally). Why are you supporting this forum, which is set up purely to market that content and help my company remain profitable?

[trish]

In polite society, I would think the proper adjective is ‘transgender.’ Even though most transgender people have identified with a single gender for most or all of their lives, they nevertheless often transition. One might say of someone that they will transition, or are transitioning or have transitioned. One might even use the latter as a predicate adjective and say, “I’m transitioned.” I would guess ‘transgendered’ came into usage as a poor substitute for this form (or usage) of ‘transitioned’ which sounded right and caught on. You can probably find me in these forums using both ‘transgender’ and ‘transgendered.’

As far as ‘shemale’, ‘ladyboy’ and the rest goes in the context of pornography who cares? Part of the allure of pornography is the way it transgresses polite boundaries. That’s probably part of the definition of ‘pornography.’ Transgressing polite boundaries is sometimes part of the fun of sex. Sure you sometimes whisper sweet nothings into your sweetheart’s ear as you make love to her; but she may also get off at times being called a ‘slut’ or a ‘bimbo’ or a ‘whore‘. On the other hand, she may drop you like hot slug of near molten pig iron: people are weird like that.

[simes]

Yet you participate in a forum HungAngels which uses such 'dislikeable terms such as ladyboy or shemale' all through the site (it being a forum aimed at those who enjoy pornography, thus is contextually correct). The labeling is neither trite nor lazy, but perfect market descriptors in the worldwide use for the market of transsexual pornography. The issues if we started using 'transgender' for pornography, I've discussed in detail as being problematic as I'm sure you are aware.
You may have an opinion, but it's unlikely to hold as much weight as someone who has far more experience, has met with more trans men and trans women worldwide and discussed this, and as much as a small handful may disagree, has worked with in advocacy for trans men and trans women's rights.

Let me ask you a question, if you have such a problem with both the usage of the words 'shemale' and 'ladyboy' (and by proxy and your posts, with me personally). Why are you supporting this forum, which is set up purely to market that content and help my company remain profitable?

You're quite right - I do participate because in amongst all the go, bravado and public self aggrandisement there are some astute people with valid points expressed in an articulate and often thought provoking way. However I don't need to tell you you are right - you already know this. I enjoy reading the threads and browsing the forums. As a person I cannot comment on you - never having met you I am sure you are charming, witty and intensely charismatic.

[gaysian71]

Transgender is the proper term. Transgendered is not.

[CoolAwesomeBXDude]

i side with the term transgender over transgendered. transgendered like the person above me said is not the proper term and it doesnt even sound attractive

[fred41]

Ed, I'd go with 'transgender' because it seems grammatically correct. I can't say with certainty if occasionally I've used 'transgendered' instead because i'm sure , if I did, it wasn't deemed important.
I don't mind grammar nazis because sometimes that's the only way I know I fucked up....grammatically. So I never mind being corrected...grammatically.
But on an activist level...from what I know about you, both from this site and having met you...you put yourself out there in so many ways you shouldn't have to take shit from anyone for simple usage...
There are individuals IRL and on the internet who live for being butt hurt and complaining about it..whether real or for attention, because for some people, whining is their only claim to fame.

...all that apart though, I'd still switch to the word 'transgender' because it's grammatically correct and we should respect the english language and not seem ignorant...:hide-1:


(btw...Ed seems like one of the nicest guys I've ever met. If he was a serial killer you'd never know it. [wellllllllll....within reason. I suspect everyone])

[zerrrr]

Unfortunately, we do not live in a polite society. We live in a society where knowledge is gleaned from six second videos, false flag memes, and fighting on the Internet.

As the Internet has evolved it has not brought us closer together. Rather, it has driven us farther apart and made us less intolerant.

[fred41]

Unfortunately, we do not live in a polite society. We live in a society where knowledge is gleaned from six second videos, false flag memes, and fighting on the Internet.

As the Internet has evolved it has not brought us closer together. Rather, it has driven us farther apart and made us less intolerant.

We live in an era of popular soundbites.
When folks don't do due diligence on their own...maybe just following the herd, speak up.
If you see something that you disagree with or know is blatantly false, even if posted by respected family or friends,on Facebook or Twitter, etc....say something.

...and while doing that...ALWAYS support free speech.
Thank you.




BTW...a true grammar nazi would mention that what you meant to say in your last sentence was either:...made us more intolerant. or....made us less tolerant.

[hippifried]

Regardless of the prefix, gender is not a verb.

[zerrrr]

We live in an era of popular soundbites.
When folks don't do due diligence on their own...maybe just following the herd, speak up.
If you see something that you disagree with or know is blatantly false, even if posted by respected family or friends,on Facebook or Twitter, etc....say something.

...and while doing that...ALWAYS support free speech.
Thank you.




BTW...a true grammar nazi would mention that what you meant to say in your last sentence was either:...made us more intolerant. or....made us less tolerant.

Yeah, it is supposed to be less tolerant.

I just ignore them. My area is full of ignorant fools and it is better to watch them continually make asses out of themselves than bother talking to them.

[trish]

Regardless of the prefix, gender is not a verb.Neither is "railroad," but "railroaded" is. Just saying. :)

[buttslinger]

The correct term for a transgender whore is WHORE.
The correct term for a transgender porn star is.....SHEMALE, CHICK WITH DICK, or HUNG ANGEL.
The correct term for a transgender human is transgender, and I did learn that on this thread, so, hey.......

[hippifried]

Neither is "railroad," but "railroaded" is. Just saying. :)

You can "railroad" someone into doing something. You can "railroad" whole groups, whether malevolent or benevolent, because that train is just unstoppable. "Railroading" is done by enthusiasts, from the HO track in the basement, to driving a train for Santa Fe, or being CEO of a major railroad, or writing books & songs. It's a noun in some usages, & it's a verb in many. Is there a point to this?

I stand by my original statement. Or maybe we could go out tonight and go gendering. I have no idea what that is, but apparently you can "misgender". It's so much easier now I guess. Only 3 syllables, as opposed to 5 in "misidentify". I have a terrible gut feeling about this. It's likely to backfire. Won't take much. It's a fight. If the goal is semi-tolerable bogus "tolerance", instead of full acceptance as individuals, equal in the society at large, then it's over. Try again next decade. Y'all gotta pick your battles carefully. I just don't think rewriting the dictionary should be high on the priority list.
I'm on your side. Just giving a different perspective on the possible political ramifications of this tactic.
Good luck in your endeavors.

Especially you, Trish. 💌