WORKING GIRLS AND WHY

[YasminLee]

A lot of girls are being blame for working and I feel like some or even most of the guys here don't understand us. Do u ever wonder how can such a large percentage of any group are in this lifestyle?

Most of us start at a very young age, either in our teens or 20s. This is the most cofusion stage in our transitioning to adult hood period. we're talking people in general..it's confusing and frustrating..so take that and add realizing u should be a woman but was born male...u then have to make life decision..should i transition or not.

pros:
1.i get to be who I am

cons:
1. risk loosing family, friends
2. what will this do to me.
3.will i be happy
4.how will i get the money to transition.
a.nose 5,000
b.breast 5,000,
c.forehead 7-12,000
d.hormones 800/3months
e.adams apple, chin, cheek bones, and last but not least silicones...

that's a lot of money in an attempt to look as much as a woman as possible.

5. how will i make this kind of money.

there are so many things running though their head and worry....trust me..staying in school and continue being ridicule is last on there head...so here u go...

6.he hopes to be find love...only to find that most guys don't want u as a gf. at least not unless u look like the girls 100,000.00 surgery later....if they even want that...most guys we meet want the fantasy of being with us tgirl and back to their world the next morning...after a while u feel use, a lone and cheated.

most girls choose to escort as a solution after so many doors had already slam in their face..some jump right to it cause they were smart enough to realize from their friends experience...yes some of us are very smart, pretty, and probably find a regular job somewhere enough to survive...if u're a genetic girl...our expenses are not the same...we start our beauty with a canvas while genetic girls are born with them....

for those who don't know....when u pay for the girls..u don't pay for sex...u pay for not having to be in their life after u cum.....consider a fair contribution for what we have to go through...i feel like i can continue..but the reasons goes on....

IF U DON'T THINK IT'S HARD...TAKE A FEW WEEKS AND WALK IN OUR SHOES...DRESS UP...SEE HOW YOUR FAMILY WILL REACT...YOUR WORK...HOW DIFFERENT THE WORLD IS WHEN WHEN JUST SHOPPING AT THE MARKET FOR FOOD...

[Mugai_hentaisha]

Well said Yasmin well said

I know I have had several run-ins with friends of mine about transexuals. I tell them, "They are just people like you and I so get over it!" But alas they don't. why? I don't know? Maybe it is because there is a chemical lacking in their tiny brains that makes them judge people they don't understand without taking the time to learn of them. who knows?

All I know is you will have to do what you have too, to acheive your dreams. Just when choosing make sure you can live with the decisions you choose.

Again great post Yasmin.

[shestar]

I agree w Yasmine as to the reasons why girls work but let me ak you all this.Why do girls that have achieved the looks they want and the desired body they want after working for 10 plus years still do it? At what point does all the prostitution and sex for money just screw you up in the head? when does it stop? I have had 3 or 4 serious relationships with transsexuals( 1 year or more) and am around a lot of girls often.Doesnt it make most girls never be able to have a so called normal relationship even when they try? I give tGirls who transistion all the props in the world for there courage and strength because most of us probably couldnt do it. I say the working thing is okay as long as its a means to an end its just that for so so so many girls it never seems to end.

[Kramer]

All good points. But the prices nowadays are downright crazy! 250 and up for an hour. How do you explain these costs?? Im glad I quit years ago.

[tsluva]

All good points. But the prices nowadays are downright crazy! 250 and up for an hour. How do you explain these costs?? Im glad I quit years ago.

the same way they have to explain rent expenses
and poor housing, cost to living ( phone, electricity,etc)
as well as cost of medical treatment)
and having to do without the benefit of health/dental
insurances, 401K , etc.
And many don't have the luxury of shared assistance
with roomates, paid-well working boyfriends,
or other source of income.
and it's hard for a number of transexuals to work in
everyday society.

Compare your inconviences to theirs if you
care to do so.

if it's out of your budget and no chance for negotiation
you're just shit out of luck and have to move on to
the ones that will bargain and conviently suit your
financial needs.

[blahblahblah]

I agree w Yasmine as to the reasons why girls work but let me ak you all this.Why do girls that have achieved the looks they want and the desired body they want after working for 10 plus years still do it? At what point does all the prostitution and sex for money just screw you up in the head? when does it stop? I have had 3 or 4 serious relationships with transsexuals( 1 year or more) and am around a lot of girls often.Doesnt it make most girls never be able to have a so called normal relationship even when they try? I give tGirls who transistion all the props in the world for there courage and strength because most of us probably couldnt do it. I say the working thing is okay as long as its a means to an end its just that for so so so many girls it never seems to end.

You have some points here. I guess that once you crossed the Rubicon, it's hard to go back, and that's sad. That's probably kind of: WTF, i already did it, i've got nothing to lose. But also, some girls are probably really crazy, all they want is attention, thousands of dollars and a miracle that will never happen. I met such a girl once. All i wanted was a serious relationship with her but i was treated like a dog instead. I've been with many GG's and one TG and the only girl that i really fell in love with so long was that god damned TG, probably because she knew how to play with my feelings.. But she was very money hungry too.. Money was in the first place to her, me on the second.....or third. And despite the fact that i "donated" quite an amount to her, she was still doing crazy things to get more, behind my back. Sad.

[blahblahblah]

All good points. But the prices nowadays are downright crazy! 250 and up for an hour. How do you explain these costs?? Im glad I quit years ago.

Would you like to sell your body, to sell YOU and your dignity for cheap money, if you were forced to do it? Damn, dude, it's not cows we are talking about, it's human beings. Each time they do it they are risking their lives. No money in the world can pay that. And when i read Yasmin's(hopefully honest) post and look at the pic of her i realise what a tragedy her life has to be.

[girlyg]

I've got a 28 y/o beautiful single mother friend with a rare chronic disease that causes her acute pains sometimes. She's struggling with two jobs and trying to raise two kids. I shall tell her to start escorting since a: she's in need of A LOT OF money to pay living expenses b: since she's so busy all the time she doesn't have time to gloom herself that much so she can't get that much attention, satisfaction, affection from MANY MANY, A LOT OF, ALL men. she does have ONE nice bf who helps her to fix up things but not much financially though. They are just getting by. c: she grew up in housing project so her family don't have a penny to spare for her. her only brother is in prison. she can only hope that he leaves her alone. since she can't get support from her family she should start escorting. d: if she escorts, she can not only afford nicer places, better stuff, maybe even plastic surgeries, but also she can save enough money to send her kids to private schools even ivy league universities! ... Oh the good reasons go on and on and on. All single mothers, struggling actresses/actors, McDonal workers shall start escorting TODAY. Who hasn't got endless bills to pay, who doesn't want to sleep until 3:00 pm, who doesn't want plastic surgeries that make you look 10 years younger... Anybody who does not escort is just stupid.

[thebusiness]

I can see where you are coming from Yaz.. when I met my girl she was escorting and I had to deal with that for a while until I got her to quit! It was horrible and took a toll on her emotionally! It was extremely hard for me knowing that was how she was getting her money and that's what she was doing whenever I was gone. It fucked with her sexually too...made her not want to do it as much until she stopped! But if I were to meet you Yas, I wouldn't even want to have sex unless that was what you desired... I would simply want to talk to you and get to know what Yasmin Lee's world is like or anyother girl. I'm tired of guys looking at you and other girls as meat and sex tools for their own pleasures when they honestly wouldn't ever date you seriously! This is a vicious cycle... when will it end! But from a guy who loves a girl who went through what you're going through... it's hard for both sides!

Take care... and I hope you find that special happiness...who knows..it might be closer than you think!

I'm on my business phone...Tréo's are the shit...suggest everyone get one!

[Chica]

that's one of the best posts i've ever seen, it's all true, and people can't say it's wrong. if you're a TS and on less than average - average income, you're screwed and gotta do it. if your family doesn't like it, you got no one to turn to. so i guess im in the shit then. i don't wanna do escorting, i don't wanna appear on loads of websites (tho i nearly did thru desperation)... no wonder im always feeling down and think im fucked in the head

[girlyg]

that's one of the best posts i've ever seen, it's all true, and people can't say it's wrong. if you're a TS and on less than average - average income, you're screwed and gotta do it. if your family doesn't like it, you got no one to turn to. so i guess im in the shit then. i don't wanna do escorting, i don't wanna appear on loads of websites (tho i nearly did thru desperation)... no wonder im always feeling down and think im fucked in the head

if you look THE WORLD AROUND you - how many Ts every does this it's all about you isn't it - there are millions, no, billions, of people that are in worse conditions than you. humanhood is not just looking into you but also around you. nobody can get everything she wants. everybody learns to make compromises - i can't have this because of a,b,c...; i can have this but i have to do a,b,c ... to get it - it's about priotizing and learning what is realistic and what is not. if you want something that deparately you'll find a way to get it but don't expect it to be at no expenses. it's all part of life. i feel pain for all people suffering, you, myself, other ts, but come on, my family member is fighting terminal cancer now, there are kids in africa dying from starvation right at this moment...

[Kurdy M]

Yasmin you are not only very goodlooking but very smart and realistic.
And you are absolutely right.
Most of the guys who go with a working girl do it for the sex, after the "deal" has been made they want to get the hell out of there.
They use the girls as an object.
Not all the guys but a lot.

What you didn't say and should be talked about is that some of the working girls have boyfriends. Ofcourse that is normal but what i consider not te be normal is that they still keep working when having this relation with this boyfriend. I understand the girl but not the boyfriend.
What is he? He cannot support his girlfriend? That makes him a pimp in my book.
Maybe i am wrong.
I really like to know what Allanah has to say about that. After all she has a boyfriend...

[TomSelis]

Not going to try to discredit Yasmin here, but I'm going to just hang back for a minute too.

[thebusiness]

No dude...it doesn't make the boyfriend a pimp! Sometimes it's all about the situation...unless the boyfriend is "well-paid"...he probably can't cater to a lot of the expenses that his girl may have/want. And in the beginning of a relationship I don't think the boyfriend is just going to up and start paying all her bills and shit. It's hard knowing your girlfriend use to sell herself for sex whether not she's still doing it or not, it WILL fuck with you from time to time, but if there is love you can always work through that! If a girls boyfriend could pay all her shit do you think she would still sell herself? Maybe if she want her own money or more money...but I think mostly not. If it's someone she really cares about hurting I think she would stop if he wants her to. It's all about the situation though my dude! Like I said it's not easy for either side of the relationship!

[Legend]

So are you saying prostitution is the last resort you girls can count on to make money even if you have a high education?

[Chica]

legend, well here i was one day predicted high grades, bam, my mum passes away with cancer, i took 3 months off school, come back 2 days to revise EVERY subject, and i failed everything. i've heard others with good grades, and themselves being forced into prostitution because of large debts... £17,000 is the average student debt... thats like $35,000... may not seem like a lot, but living in the UK is a bit more expensive than the rest of the world

girlyg, do you realise how hard it is for people less priveleged than others to actually get even £1000 in their bank? i was ecstatic with £100, and i was reading the other day in the paper for a full transition it's more like £30,000... im almost 20, struggling for a job, an unsupportive family, a town hall that would prefer to give homes to druggies or alcoholics, and you say people are worse off? well i always got told take care of number 1, and that's me, if i had the money to help, i would... but i dont have the money to help myself right now

[girlyg]

girlyg, do you realise how hard it is for people less priveleged than others to actually get even £1000 in their bank? i was ecstatic with £100, and i was reading the other day in the paper for a full transition it's more like £30,000... im almost 20, struggling for a job, an unsupportive family, a town hall that would prefer to give homes to druggies or alcoholics, and you say people are worse off? well i always got told take care of number 1, and that's me, if i had the money to help, i would... but i dont have the money to help myself right now

where i'm from, my parents worked for 15 to 18 hours a day 6 days a week in the field and a factory to earn less than $100 a month to support a 6 person family. and that's considered a rather decent living compared to others in the rural areas. meantime in the cities, millionaires squander away money in every way they can. still yet all my siblings went to colleges because we worked hard and earned scholarships and have good jobs now. circumstances, environments, "my transistion", "i'm less previliged"... you think i haven't heard enough excuses witnessing and going through survival games in life? you want to win, stop making excuses and start working harder!! billions of people are worse off than you if you look around the whole world with a population of nearly 6 billions! prositution is hardly a glorious option but if it gets what you want most, kudo to you. just don't whine like a victim of circumstances, or wear it on your nose as if it were the most glorious choice you can make in your life.

[Friedrich_Nietzsche]

I've got a 28 y/o beautiful single mother friend with a rare chronic disease that causes her acute pains sometimes. She's struggling with two jobs and trying to raise two kids. I shall tell her to start escorting since a: she's in need of A LOT OF money to pay living expenses b: since she's so busy all the time she doesn't have time to gloom herself that much so she can't get that much attention, satisfaction, affection from MANY MANY, A LOT OF, ALL men. she does have ONE nice bf who helps her to fix up things but not much financially though. They are just getting by. c: she grew up in housing project so her family don't have a penny to spare for her. her only brother is in prison. she can only hope that he leaves her alone. since she can't get support from her family she should start escorting. d: if she escorts, she can not only afford nicer places, better stuff, maybe even plastic surgeries, but also she can save enough money to send her kids to private schools even ivy league universities! ... Oh the good reasons go on and on and on. All single mothers, struggling actresses/actors, McDonal workers shall start escorting TODAY. Who hasn't got endless bills to pay, who doesn't want to sleep until 3:00 pm, who doesn't want plastic surgeries that make you look 10 years younger... Anybody who does not escort is just stupid.

I tottaly agree and co-sign.
And i am going to expand it.

Why shouldnt men escort as well?

I have a phd in engineering, i work 12 hours a day minimum and i earn just as much money as i need to live in comfort.
I will explain comfort:
I live in Athens - Greece
I own a house, a 1600 cc car, and i am capable of travelling twice a year.
I dont go out really often because i have no time/energy.
I dont have priceless art paintings at home, but have a full refrigirator.
Finaly, i can spoil myself bying little toys such as a new camera or a new laptop and thats it.
Keep in mind that i work as a highly educated excecutive, having a very nice job for the country standards.

And i just live in comfort. Cant save, cant think of the future, cant really leave things behind for my family.
And i studied for several years, worked various jobs to support my studies, and climbed on the professional scale step by step.
Unfair?

So, it would be very easy for me to say
"oh, come on, why dont i keep company to rich ladies for 200 € per hour"
I am 34, very good looking and really well endowed.

I chose to work my ass of, creating a career, and settle down to what i have and not to what i could have.

I really cant give no alliby to anyone that escorts because of needs.
Everyone has needs.
Simply, some of us fullfil our needs and make a living the hard way.
On the other hand, some dont

Thats all i have to say.

[BeardedOne]

Not going to try to discredit Yasmin here, but I'm going to just hang back for a minute too.

I think I'm going to adopt this as my general standpoint also.

I'm still brainwerking the analogous comparison of a McDonald's worker (Who may or may not be discriminated against for their gender) and a TS (Who is more than likely to be discriminated against for their gender - Or lack thereof in some views - and their sexuality as well).

:popcorn

[girlyg]

I'm still brainwerking the analogous comparison of a McDonald's worker (Who may or may not be discriminated against for their gender) and a TS (Who is more than likely to be discriminated against for their gender - Or lack thereof in some views - and their sexuality as well).

:popcorn

Current American labor laws prohibit employers from discriminating against employees on the basis of their sexual orientations but do not protect employees who are maybe, hmmm..., a little bit slow... but... not enough to claim disabilities... or don't speak good enough english... or are a little bit old and infirm but not enough to claim disabilities... or too young and unstable... :oops: :oops: :oops: Oops i said it... no offense anybody this is stereotyping.

[YasminLee]

People tend to jude base on personal experiences and their idea of who and what we represend. We should know that u can judge a group base on what they do and how they are as a whole, but where individuality and characteristic comes in, it evolve into something very complex.

there are posts of world hunger and suffering and that we should do better, know better, work harder while on our knees with the wrath of society. we can not compare what we are going through to other misfortunes in the world. This is a war of emotional surviving struggle and matters of the heart.
(in regards to this subject of suffering..all guys that had seen and supported me...sleep well...some of your money did not just go to my shoes, clothes, bags or surgery. we, together been donating a lot toward a peace temple in cambodia as well as a school to educate a couple of the local villages...)

i'm writing this now at an airport after a night of crying myself to sleep. I met a man. Something about him and the way he stare into my eyes. It touch my soul. His heart, his tender touch, his gentle eyes...So I let my guard down and fell for him. I would stop this industry to be with him and I told him. Not because i think that it's wrong, but rather i understand how he feels about it and what i wouldn't do for the person i love. I was gonna look for a job when i get home. I already paid and sign up for school. we're gonna work hard a couple years, save up some money and he was gonna build me a hut in the east asia somewhere...

[flabbybody]

lots of luck to you Yasmin. I'm glad something positive happened to you on your trip to New York. drop into HA every so often and let us know how you're doing.

[thebusiness]

I don't see escorting as a good option either but some REALLY don't have very many choices! Just because their are laws that protect against descrimination doesn't mean companies won't still do it and get away with it! My girl works a pretty good job on top of me giving her money(I fortunately have a lot) and even though she has friends and people who support and understand her at work, her supervisors and bosses hate on her every chance they get. They make her use a "special" restroom cause she not a woman so they don't want her in there and she's not a man and refuses to use the men's restroom she give a "special" one on the "other" side of the company, plus the pay CLOSE attention to everything she does that's not up to company standards while other get leeway! She would have quit a long time ago if it wasn't for my support, and that's at mostly every "good" job she's had! So can you blame them for wanting to escort? Plus YOU ARE THE GUYS WHO SUPPORT THIS "AWFUL" LINE OF WORK!! How many times on this forum have guys asked how much Yasmin or other girls charge per hour? How many times have you seen them say they'd pay anything to get fucked by them or suck them til they'd cum in their mouth? Then those are the same who don't like what they do for a living! Why wouldn't she want to make that 2g's off of you for a couple of hours of fullfilling "your fantasy"! What are you going to do..sweep her off of her feet and take her home to meet moms...NO! You all can force feed that world hunger shit down their throats all you want...it's not going to make their strugle any better! Everyone has their own strugle..my black people are still tryna rise to the top... so we sell drugs and hustle in these ghetto ass streets!

Good luck Yasmin and everybody else who's struggling to make a better life for yourself!

[Sunny Dee-lite]

I wish people could see beyond what we look like and what we were and so on and see how strong of a person it takes to be a transsexual! It is such a difficult thing to find that you are in the wrong body and mislabeled for being what you feel inside. I feel in so many ways noone can ever understand what it is to be us. To suffer everyday for just being who you are. People can say alot about people in porn or people who escort and guess what even the most normal t-girls with 9-5 jobs still have stuff said about them. But as i told Yasmine in very serious conversation yesterday, 95.9% of the world people are screwed-up and they are the ones that are tring to tell you how to run your life. I decided along time ago that only have one person in this world i can count on and i see her in the mirror everyday. Love will come and go, looks will come and go as well, but you will still have to deal with yourself in the end.

[BeardedOne]

Current American labor laws prohibit employers from discriminating against employees on the basis of their sexual orientations...

Yet it does not stop them from doing so. One of the most blatant cases was Cracker Barrell, which had its anti-gay hiring policy clearly stated in writing. The fines and lawsuits didn't do shit and it went as high as the annual meeting where several proxy wars ensued.

[girlyg]

Here's something I read the other day, that I thought was pretty awesome.
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=7114833&blogID=157374474&MyToken=ddb75f87-532f-4bf4-94b5-be00f2bbe084

That's all very Buddhist. Apart from the organized collective behaviors of wasting tremendous wealth throughout history to build giant temples, Buddha statues covered in gold and gems while people are dying on the streets, Buddhism is the most tolerate, least evil regilion of all. That's why the Thais are more relaxed towards Ladyboys. "You a man but want to be a woman? Poor thing. It's not the fault of 'the current' you. You must have done something wrong in your past life. Be nice this life and you won't be a ladyboy next life. Good luck. Poor thing..." That's the attitude. Now we are talking! Now let's all go to Thailand and party with happy ladyboys who want to be nice so that they won't be born into the wrong bodies next time... By the way, there aren't not so much social stigma associated with prositution either - it support a huge pillar of the country's economy any how. Respect for the whores for bringing in so much money for the family and the country.

[girlyg]

Current American labor laws prohibit employers from discriminating against employees on the basis of their sexual orientations...

Yet it does not stop them from doing so. One of the most blatant cases was Cracker Barrell, which had its anti-gay hiring policy clearly stated in writing. The fines and lawsuits didn't do shit and it went as high as the annual meeting where several proxy wars ensued.

And there is no law to protect the stereotypical McDonald workers. "Juan you are too slow! You are fired right now!" And Juan can't do nothing about it. We are talking about putting things in perspective here; we are not talking about that the world is so unfair, there are laws that people won't abide by - it's a given that the world is screwed up like this. Some people fight and gain their rights eventually, like the gay people; some people choose to whine and go escorting, like the transsexuals.

[girlyg]

By the way, there aren't not so much social stigma associated with prositution either - it support a huge pillar of the country's economy any how. Respect for the whores for bringing in so much money for the family and the country.In this country, our laws turn the world's oldest profession into an ineffective witch-hunt. Yet, ironically, sanctimonious people socially whore themselves shamelessly all the time. ;)

Imagine what a happier place the world would be if we could all just get laid properly? Beautiful women are high maintainence... Is this something new?! Well, big newsflash; beautiful TS's are even MORE SO!

It's the world's backwards attitudes and closeted sexual hangups that make prosititution a potentially seedy industry.

Co-sign!
My proposal: All global citizens between the ages of 18 and 81 regardless races, sexes or religion beliefs shall be at completely free will to participate in prositution or become a prositution provider. Any discriminative behaviors against prositution will be prosecuted by law. All prositution providers shall be qualified and licensed by international prositution committee following set global standards. Qualifications for prositution providers are as follows:
a: complete 3 months course of reproductive system anatomy, hygiene, and contagious diseases courses.
b: pass the "prositution STD physical exam" that is held once every 3 months.
c: prositution industry shall comply to all WTO free trade treaties and terms. price fixing, exploitation, or "dumping", shall be subject to international investigations and country or region involved shall be economically politically sanctioned accordingly.
d: providers can be incorporated and manager-managed, but pimping behavior is strictly prohibited and will be prosecuted by law.
e: international prostitution committee holds global fairs and events to promote healthy sex and better sex. it is the industrys mission to do so.
f:...

anybody has any additions? i will be able to come up with more after my nap :wink:

[girlyg]

Current American labor laws prohibit employers from discriminating against employees on the basis of their sexual orientations...

Yet it does not stop them from doing so. One of the most blatant cases was Cracker Barrell, which had its anti-gay hiring policy clearly stated in writing. The fines and lawsuits didn't do shit and it went as high as the annual meeting where several proxy wars ensued.

And there is no law to protect the stereotypical McDonald workers. "Juan you are too slow! You are fired right now!" And Juan can't do nothing about it. We are talking about putting things in perspective here; we are not talking about that the world is so unfair, there are laws that people won't abide by - it's a given that the world is screwed up like this. Some people fight and gain their rights eventually, like the gay people; some people choose to whine and go escorting, like the transsexuals.What a lame blanket statement that is. You're talking out of your ass. There are far more gay cruisers in parks and rest stops than there are TS's. And THAT is the low-end side of prostitution; the type of solicitations that attract drugs and violence. But what two consenting adults agree to, privately, is no one's goddamn business.

You are talking out of your ASS. Percentage wise, i have yet to find any one of my gay acquantances that has done any escorting while most of trannies that i eihter personally know or know of from my social network has done some kind of prositution. Honey it's a fact that was repeately mentioned here by other members as well that a disproportionally large percetage of transsexual community involves in prositution. Hey if it's between two consenting adults, I didn't say it's not good. It gets you what you want most, kudo to you - I'm repeating what I said here. I have nothing against it. But don't whine "oh I'm a victim of cirsumstances", or show it off as if it were the most glorious choice you can make in your life either. There is really more glorious things in life than that. If you love it, good for you. If you don't like it, quit it!

[girlyg]

Unless the whole united states is converted to Thai Buddhism, large percentage of prositution in any particular demographic group only causes sense of degradation and more social stigma towards that group. Nothing wrong with prositution in my opinion - let me repeat it, but if you want to fight for respect and general improvement of your social-economical status in this country, or any country other than a few, prositution is hardly hardly the way to go. That's what I am saying here. In a perfect world, everybody should be able to be with a prositute, or be a prositute, freely, but under proper health and hygiene regulations! I wonder how the market demand/supply mechanism will affect the prices in that case though :wink:

[sdman]

A lot of girls are being blame for working and I feel like some or even most of the guys here don't understand us. Do u ever wonder how can such a large percentage of any group are in this lifestyle?

Most of us start at a very young age, either in our teens or 20s. This is the most cofusion stage in our transitioning to adult hood period. we're talking people in general..it's confusing and frustrating..so take that and add realizing u should be a woman but was born male...u then have to make life decision..should i transition or not.

pros:
1.i get to be who I am

cons:
1. risk loosing family, friends
2. what will this do to me.
3.will i be happy
4.how will i get the money to transition.
a.nose 5,000
b.breast 5,000,
c.forehead 7-12,000
d.hormones 800/3months
e.adams apple, chin, cheek bones, and last but not least silicones...

that's a lot of money in an attempt to look as much as a woman as possible.

5. how will i make this kind of money.

there are so many things running though their head and worry....trust me..staying in school and continue being ridicule is last on there head...so here u go...

6.he hopes to be find love...only to find that most guys don't want u as a gf. at least not unless u look like the girls 100,000.00 surgery later....if they even want that...most guys we meet want the fantasy of being with us tgirl and back to their world the next morning...after a while u feel use, a lone and cheated.

most girls choose to escort as a solution after so many doors had already slam in their face..some jump right to it cause they were smart enough to realize from their friends experience...yes some of us are very smart, pretty, and probably find a regular job somewhere enough to survive...if u're a genetic girl...our expenses are not the same...we start our beauty with a canvas while genetic girls are born with them....

for those who don't know....when u pay for the girls..u don't pay for sex...u pay for not having to be in their life after u cum.....consider a fair contribution for what we have to go through...i feel like i can continue..but the reasons goes on....

IF U DON'T THINK IT'S HARD...TAKE A FEW WEEKS AND WALK IN OUR SHOES...DRESS UP...SEE HOW YOUR FAMILY WILL REACT...YOUR WORK...HOW DIFFERENT THE WORLD IS WHEN WHEN JUST SHOPPING AT THE MARKET FOR FOOD...

I know it must be hard soemtimes for you. But You are looking too sexy here I wish I could have some of that ass.

[Agincourt]

It's a drag for the girls. Living in Los Angeles and growing up in and around the Hollywood, West Hollywood area I've had friends and girlfriends from adolescecence to adult life who have wrestled with the same kind of thing. I started this reply thinking I would write a big long thing about my observations on the subject and shit, but I'm not going to. They have a lot to contend with and the decisions that they have to make are enormous. All my respect to you girls.

[BlackAdder]

Real smooth SDman...

Better put that helmet back on bud..oh and uhh....your drooling again.....


If your going to escort fine, most of us are cool with that...

But PLEASE dont whine, bitch, cry and complain about the fucked up shit escorting has done to you or to your life or to someone elses life...

You knew the risks, yet you still bit that apple........

[YasminLee]

girlyg...first of all hun...don't talk to me of the culture i live for almost 30 years and tell me how it is base on what people told u. Secondly, transsexualism is a whole new level of difficulty..trust me, most tgirls live that life before transittioning. People tend to be more ok with gays because they are normaly in their life one way or another. They understand them more then they do us. Plus, being gay is a lot easier hun. They don't have to go through the transsitioning like we do. That hormones can physically change our appearance in a matter of days..imagine what's it's doing to our inside...mentality, emotions...etc...stop trying to make a point so people think wow he really can put words together and listen...these are your girls...listen with your heart and hear their cries. after all, who can better explain us then us...

[Dina Delicious]

well ill tell you a little story about myself
i dont often let soo much info out about myself but i will
i graduated one of if not the top performing arts school in nyc did about 8 feature films and numerous commercials in my youth and i knew at a young age that i was transgendered and so i went in another direction had to sacrfice my lifes dream to perform be on the stage pratice a craft i was so well at i had to wave goodbye to it,it hurts me till this day cause there are NOT any working transsexual actors in this country period so i went on to something creative i became a haircolorist wich if you are good at it in nyc you can make 2,000 a week easy well i was good at it and i was making that amount of moneywhen i told my boss i wanted to transition they were all gay and lesbian mind you the following day i was met with all my tools in a black garbage bag and told they had no room for me so here i was crushed twice for just being me and trying to do the right thing
so alot of you dont know what goes on unless you are a WOMAN of transsexual experience
god bless all my sisters
cause ive seen it all

Dina Marie Delicious

[werwt22]

Hmmmm......I knew a post like this was gonna come up sooner or later. I dont wanna say too much and hurt anyones feeling or put them in some suicidal state of mind, but do you ever really think about how your going around selling your body? That's half the reason guys dont want most TS GF. "Legally" i can't testify to someone's state-of-mind, but how often are you in that frame of mind where you dont know who you really are and if you'll be satisfied after you take this fork in the road etc, etc...How can I be with someone who isnt even sure of who they are themselves. How can I respect someone who doesnt respect themselves, and truth is respect isnt given...it's earned and what's respectable about what you do? How many people do you have to "work" with to achieve the goal your going for? Taking all that into account, it's a big deal for a lot of guys therefore making you a cheap thrill/one-night-stand/floosey. Not calling you those names, just giving you a certain perspective. I'm not sayin I'm on that side of the fence and bashing you before I get a bunch of negative comments, but I'm giving you a truthful response and not hopping on the bandwagon to get in good with you.

[werwt22]

I know it must be hard soemtimes for you. But You are looking too sexy here I wish I could have some of that ass.

ROFLMAO @ SDman and Blackadder. Wow....lol. The convo was all deep and you tryin to get some ass out the blue....Hope you didnt think you were gonna pull her with that line. lol

[werwt22]

:sleep

ok? and? :roll:

[girlyg]

Hmmmm......I knew a post like this was gonna come up sooner or later. I dont wanna say too much and hurt anyones feeling or put them in some suicidal state of mind, but do you ever really think about how your going around selling your body? That's half the reason guys dont want most TS GF. "Legally" i can't testify to someone's state-of-mind, but how often are you in that frame of mind where you dont know who you really are and if you'll be satisfied after you take this fork in the road etc, etc...How can I be with someone who isnt even sure of who they are themselves. How can I respect someone who doesnt respect themselves, and truth is respect isnt given...it's earned and what's respectable about what you do? How many people do you have to "work" with to achieve the goal your going for? Taking all that into account, it's a big deal for a lot of guys therefore making you a cheap thrill/one-night-stand/floosey. Not calling you those names, just giving you a certain perspective. I'm not sayin I'm on that side of the fence and bashing you before I get a bunch of negative comments, but I'm giving you a truthful response and not hopping on the bandwagon to get in good with you.

[girlyg]

Hmmmm......I knew a post like this was gonna come up sooner or later. I dont wanna say too much and hurt anyones feeling or put them in some suicidal state of mind, but do you ever really think about how your going around selling your body? That's half the reason guys dont want most TS GF. "Legally" i can't testify to someone's state-of-mind, but how often are you in that frame of mind where you dont know who you really are and if you'll be satisfied after you take this fork in the road etc, etc...How can I be with someone who isnt even sure of who they are themselves. How can I respect someone who doesnt respect themselves, and truth is respect isnt given...it's earned and what's respectable about what you do? How many people do you have to "work" with to achieve the goal your going for? Taking all that into account, it's a big deal for a lot of guys therefore making you a cheap thrill/one-night-stand/floosey. Not calling you those names, just giving you a certain perspective. I'm not sayin I'm on that side of the fence and bashing you before I get a bunch of negative comments, but I'm giving you a truthful response and not hopping on the bandwagon to get in good with you.The truth hurts doesn't it?
Insist upon your being under previliged, and physically unique - hence, therefore, as the only possible consequence of being that physically unique - have all the right to be more mentally messed up... insist upon all your very special rights to be miserable, and you are - MISERABLE.
Poor thing - that's all I can say. I'll give you all the sympathy, attention, telling you you deserve to be a prositute, you absolutely have more reasons than anybody else to be a prositute, and you are - A PROSITUTE (not that I don't think prositutes deserve any respect I'm just being realistic - how much respect does our society pay to a prositute?).
What if people tell you otherwise from the very beginning? What if people tell you, "You are physically unique, but you are as capable as anybody else to achieve anything you want!" "Hormones do mess it up for you, people are always going to be prejudiced, but you are what you do not what people think?" ...

[girlyg]

well ill tell you a little story about myself
i dont often let soo much info out about myself but i will
i graduated one of if not the top performing arts school in nyc did about 8 feature films and numerous commercials in my youth and i knew at a young age that i was transgendered and so i went in another direction had to sacrfice my lifes dream to perform be on the stage pratice a craft i was so well at i had to wave goodbye to it,it hurts me till this day cause there are NOT any working transsexual actors in this country period so i went on to something creative i became a haircolorist wich if you are good at it in nyc you can make 2,000 a week easy well i was good at it and i was making that amount of moneywhen i told my boss i wanted to transition they were all gay and lesbian mind you the following day i was met with all my tools in a black garbage bag and told they had no room for me so here i was crushed twice for just being me and trying to do the right thing
so alot of you dont know what goes on unless you are a WOMAN of transsexual experience
god bless all my sisters
cause ive seen it all

Dina Marie Delicious

You can start an organization to rally all transsexuals and fight for your rights - that's the beauty of living in a democratic society like the united states. Why don't you take one step further to fight?

[BeardedOne]

insist upon all your very special rights to be miserable, and you are - MISERABLE.

And so I work for the fucking government.

We are all, in our own little way, prostitutes, pal. :x

[YasminLee]

some of the comments are just so unthoughtful...u state yourself only seeing the surface of our life...u make it sound so easy...why don't u just get together and rally...last time i was at one of this rally...sadly enough...where are u guys in this rally...why areN'T u fighting for the right to be with us...that's right...we do what we gotta do...be amazing, beautiful, flawless, intelligent survive all that hit us...and when we are done...we now are worthy to be CONSIDERED for u to maybe wanna see with us in public? SEEMS LIKE THAT'S WHAT SOME OF U GUYS HOPE FOR....have fun sitting on your ass...i will continue to fight for me and my girls...some of you guys are just sad with some of this comments can't even put your face on this post..little alone face the world with this....

[George Costanza]

for those who don't know....when u pay for the girls..u don't pay for sex...u pay for not having to be in their life after u cum.....consider a fair contribution for what we have to go through...

I always thought that you pay for the sex or her "time".

By your rationale Yasmin, sex would be free if we stayed in the girl's life afterward.

Sounds like a great idea!

[JoShe]

Yasmine, you're very courageous to bring this topic up. I've met lots of T-girls that have love in their hearts (you're one of them), and would gladly settle down with the right guy if he ever showed up. But I think the prostitution picture, at least here in Boston, is even more bleak than you describe. I suppose it's possible that some girls could get a straight job and social acceptance once they've completed the transition, if people around them don't know about it. But there are a lot of girls that, for whatever reason, don't ever have the intention to fully transition (i.e., become post-ops). I fear for their future; they will never blend in anywhere. If they are halfway attractive they can get into prostitution for a while. But what are they going to do in 10, 20, 30 years when they can't even do that? Or sooner, if they get sick. Many of the girls I know deal with that the only way they can: denial (and I can't blame them). Sadly, a lot of times one of the ways they don't think about the future is to get high. Prosititution makes getting drugs easier because of the slimy people you meet, and sometimes they figure, what the hell, I have nothing to lose, and I may as well enjoy myself while I can. I've lost some good friends that way, and I don't know what the answer is, or even if there is one.

[BlackAdder]

Damn Dina...im sorry to hear you had those experiences...theres still alot of screwed up shit from the gay and lesbian community towards transsexuals.....I never thought they of all people would be throwing stones, but ive since learned differently lol....


Arriana girl, youve become really bitter in the last year.....Were not all the same you know:)> Not all of us are chasers.

[BeardedOne]

Were not all the same you know:)> Not all of us are chasers.

Really. You know I can't run all that fast. :wink:

[signupjustforthis]

Yeah, I think its really hard to be pre - op or non -op. THe society doesn't recognize these people at all.

[YasminLee]

YES SOME OF US CAN PROBABLY GET A NORMAL JOB...NORMAL MEANING MAKE UP COUNTER OR A SECRETARIAL JOB SOMEWHERE...WHAT ABOUT PRO JOB...CORPERATE STUFF? WE CAN MAYBE BUT NOT ONE DAY I'M SURE WITHOUT PUTTING A STRONG FACE ON AND FIGHT FOR YOUR RIGHT TO HAVE THAT JOB...SOME OF YOUR GUYS REALLY IGNORE WHAT IS GONNA ON HERE AND THINK IT'S EASY TO BE STRONG...I'M SURE MOST GIRLS SOMEDAYS JUST WANNA HIDE AT HOME...I KNOW I HAD MY SHARE OF NOT WANNA BE CLOCKED, LOOK AT...A GUY SMILE OR PEOPLE GLANCE AND I'LL ALWAYS HAVE A DOUBT WHETHER THEY THINK I'M PRETTY OR GONNA LAUGH AND CALL ME A MAN...IT BREAKS OUR HEART...YES I'M ESCORTING RIGHT NOW...BUT FOR THE RIGHT GUY..I'LL GIVE IT UP IN A SEC. TO LOOK HIM IN THE EYES AND SEE THAT HE LOVES ME...UNDERSTAND ME..AND WILL CATCH ME WHEN I FALL...SOMEONE TO WAKE UP WITH ..WHATEVER HAPPEND WHEN I WALK OUT MY DOOR AND FACE THE WORLD, IF I'M WOUNDED..HE'LL BE WAITING FOR ME AT HOME TO PATCH ME UP BEFORE MY BATTLE THE NEXT DAY......

[thebusiness]

Yasmin,

Don't let these dudes get to you, mostly all of them have never been in LOVE with a girl like you to understand what you go through! They have never faced their families with a girl like you, never had to protect a girl like you from society... so why would someone like you so amazing as a person let them bring you down? All they have done is spent thousands to sleep with someone like you, anyone who would pay you money instead of love to spend time with you, ask yourself, are they worth your tears? I would love to talk to sometime about life, you seem to have a lot of soul and I dig that!

[BlackAdder]

Ugh.......can you put your tongue any further up her ass dude??


"BUT FOR THE RIGHT GUY..I'LL GIVE IT UP IN A SEC. TO LOOK HIM IN THE EYES AND SEE THAT HE LOVES ME...UNDERSTAND ME..AND WILL CATCH ME WHEN I FALL...SOMEONE TO WAKE UP WITH ..WHATEVER HAPPEND WHEN I WALK OUT MY DOOR AND FACE THE WORLD, IF I'M WOUNDED..HE'LL BE WAITING FOR ME AT HOME TO PATCH ME UP BEFORE MY BATTLE THE NEXT DAY......"


Sorry babe, but i just cant believe it to be true....Theres 6~ Billion people on the planet, you mean to tell me you cant find ONE...NOT ONE...person that you can be happy with like that???????

Yasmin, you could have your pick of guys......Either your straight up lying to yourself or your qualifications are unrealistic for mere mortals.

[YasminLee]

im not lying...i met someone a couple weeks ago...kinda hoping he's the one...before that i dated a few people...it's not as easy as u think for me or any orther tgirls to find a man. I always run to guys everyday that wanna have fun..but not ltr..i do mean the real deal.....i don't know what else to say...u have your right not to beleive me...as for picky..maybe i am....i want someone around my age..meaning under 35..attractive..sweet..faithful, open minded..and not care what the world thinks...

[signupjustforthis]

yeah i can relate to the "staying at home" ordeal.

[thebusiness]

My question is, why wouldn't they escort? They don't have a strong man by theirside to carry them(and I don't mean economically)... and fellas when it comes down to it THEY ARE "WOMEN"!!! They are exactly the same as the born women spiritually, emotionally and most of all mentally! Just because they have a penis doesn't make them as strong you are and I'm not saying women are weak but every WOMAN needs a strong man to support her no matter what kind of support that may be and these girls are no different! Yeah tthey can rally and protest, but do you know how long that takes? So what, are they supose to be broke and not what they want to be physically until society excepts them? They escort so they can change as fast as they can so they can be somewhat excepted in society... most don't do it cause they want money or don't know who they are... they do it for you, their families, and society, so you and they rest of the world will actually be surprised when they tell you they weren't born that way! Would you as a "straight" man want to walk around and be called "the dude who has a pussy?" FUCK NO! You think they like being called shemales? chicks with dicks? Does that not sound messed up to you? I think they would rather just be called women don't you think? It hurts their felling that they can't physically have the man of their dreams baby or even find the man of their dreams for that matter! What do most guys on this site say, " I don't like the girls who look like men!" so how does one who isn't already wealthy achieve that "real girl" look over a short period of time before they're too old and miss they're youth to enjoy it? Any answers? If they have this escorty thing in front of their faces as the quick fix do you really think they would turn it down? Would you turn it down?

[thebusiness]

And BlackAdder....

Who's up her ass? I have a girl... A TS GIRL so I know a lil bit about how life is for them... I may think Yasmin is attractive but that doesn't mean I want to sleep with her dude... I say she seems deep and I dig deep people in general... and just because someone is attractive and can choose from a large group of men doesn't mean they'll find THE ONE! Use your brain before you say anything about me bro! You're not on my level... this site is proof of how fucked up this world truely is!

[Agincourt]

Damn! I'm Forty-two. I've been told I act pretty juvenile though. Does that count for anything?

[BlackAdder]

Yasmin, Ive read how youve recently met someone and I truly do hope he loves you back the way you seem to love him. Any guy that truly loves his girl does NOT want them escorting..Now i know theres lots of different kinds of love, but i can only speak for the way *I* feel it, and i wouldnt want you in the business any longer....even if i was just dating you.

This however, i refuse to believe "it's not as easy as u think for me or any orther tgirls to find a man. I always run to guys everyday that wanna have fun..but not ltr..i do mean the real deal"

Your either not looking in the right places, not in the right place spiritually or emotionally, or for some reason those kinds of guys arent getting the "Im LTR Material!!!!" vibe from you. This may be related to your profession....no strike that, im almost certain it has at least a little to do with it. Among my circle of friends I know guys who want girlfriends...Who DONT want to date around and are sick of the game...and theyre relatively decent people. From my own perspective, its the GIRLS who dont want the relationship...either because they wont give up there easy money sources, or because there always looking around the corner for the next best thing.....Those girls will be awful bitter by the time there 45:)>



Hmmm....I maybe i posted hastily Business...but your post seemed like the typical chaser drivel that i see all the time here...I actually gave up posting for awhile because it got so bad lol.....Im definetly not a chaser, i disagree with the girls as often as I lend kudos...I dated a tgirl myself, and i talk to a few fairly famous ones almost every day- So its not like im a complete noob:). Finding "The ONE" is a completely flawed concept as well people. Youve GOT to realize there is not Idealized mate for you; Relationships are always give and take and theres always something youll have to compromise on.....Aside from building yourself an android or cloning an opposite sex version of yourself, perfection is unattainable.....Really, isnt finding someone that makes you happy enough??

[signupjustforthis]

thebusiness does not sounds like a chaser at all, he sounds like an intelliegent GENTLEman.

[SheMaleInventor]

Beautiful and mighty Yasmin brings the issue that the socio-economic disavantaged SheMales of the community need to have a better support sustem. This country is one of great priviledge. But the cavaet is that the priviledge is for a priviledged few.

Some time ago on a radio call-in talk program the topic was excluded people from public benefits. The host mentioned from his own knowledge that there were insurance carriers that covered the cost of SRS and its associated costs.

Not to long ago on a national radio news program a well to do shemale told how it cost her $45,000 to go thru the adoption process to get the kids that she had.

Keep up the greatness Yasmin!!!

LOVE James

[Friedrich_Nietzsche]

Yasmin,

Don't let these dudes get to you, mostly all of them have never been in LOVE with a girl like you to understand what you go through! They have never faced their families with a girl like you, never had to protect a girl like you from society... so why would someone like you so amazing as a person let them bring you down? All they have done is spent thousands to sleep with someone like you, anyone who would pay you money instead of love to spend time with you, ask yourself, are they worth your tears? I would love to talk to sometime about life, you seem to have a lot of soul and I dig that!


Did u had your cookie yet?

[BeardedOne]

Did u had your cookie yet?

Oh, c'mon, you know this guy could =OWN= Mrs. Field's if he so desired. :wink:

This isn't just a T-gurl issue. I spent quite a bit of time with a working GG in my long-forgotten, misspent yute (sic). The laundry list of reasons that they do it is endless (This girl was from a well-off family, well-educated, quick off the post, street smart, and had no surgeries or addictions to satisfy), and while we may never comprehend those reasons, they do it.

And, for us, it's hard work. We have to curb our jealousy, possessiveness, and worry so as not to hogtie and smother the one we care for. We have to put up with (As one poster here said) the 'vampire hours', and calls in the middle of the night from East Bumfuck because some john (I can't, by any stretch of the imagination, refer to this particular GG's tricks as 'clients') pushed her out of a moving car at the side of some secluded highway, yada, yada, yada, the list goes on. :x

Some of us break up. Some marry. Some attend funerals. Support them if they are your friends or 'lovers', patronize them with some amount of respct if you're their clients, but don't moralize, or try to justify, or attack them over their reasons of 'necessity' of thier line of work.

These gurls put up with enough shit in ther life without anonymous pornhounds, with no true insight into their individual feelings or situations, giving them bottomless grief over their life's decisions.

Jezzus fucking christ inna goddamned sidecar, am I done here? :soapbox

[BeardedOne]

Most of you are too ashamed to even show your faces...

Hey, Ari, you know I'm not a 'faceless cock bandit'. :)

I'm a faceFULL cock bandit. :lol:

[SnowJ]

Hey, Ari, you know I'm not a 'faceless cock bandit'. :)

I'm a faceFULL cock bandit. :lol:For the record, yes. Bearded One has been open enough to post a pic here, and on other forums. :) Too bad that's not the norm though. But maybe it is a good thing... I have a feling that "George Costanza" is not quite Brad Pitt. :lol:

You seem like a cool girl, arianna, but come on? Why put people down? Taking personal shots. I'm pretty sure there are people who would say you're no this girl or that girl pretty, but for the most part, I think most people here are considered of your feelings. Yet, you stay taking jabs at people.

[thebusiness]

What do you mean have I had my cookie yet?

Just for the record, I'M NOT TRYING TO BONE YASMIN LEE! Like I said before she is very attractive yes, but I have a girl! And even if I didn't I don't think I'm her type(from what I've read atleast) and I'm nobodies "client"... Never payed for sex in my life! I read back through that post and I can understand the comments but I have set it straight now...

I'm not going to post my pic on here but if anyone wanted to see what I look like I would be happy to show you... just got done with a photo shoot for my cover and all that fun stuff!

[tsluva]

im not lying...i met someone a couple weeks ago...kinda hoping he's the one...before that i dated a few people...it's not as easy as u think for me or any orther tgirls to find a man. I always run to guys everyday that wanna have fun..but not ltr..i do mean the real deal.....i don't know what else to say...u have your right not to beleive me...as for picky..maybe i am....i want someone around my age..meaning under 35..attractive..sweet..faithful, open minded..and not care what the world thinks...


be careful.
when "searching for" people look so hard
for Mr.Right that they begin making hopefuls
into something that they are not, that's when they
are likely to lead themselves into the biggest
disappointments.
it's kinda disturbing that U could fall for and get hurt
over a stranger you just met in one day.

[SnowJ]

Hey, Ari, you know I'm not a 'faceless cock bandit'. :)

I'm a faceFULL cock bandit. :lol:For the record, yes. Bearded One has been open enough to post a pic here, and on other forums. :) Too bad that's not the norm though. But maybe it is a good thing... I have a feling that "George Costanza" is not quite Brad Pitt. :lol:

You seem like a cool girl, arianna, but come on? Why put people down? Taking personal shots. I'm pretty sure there are people who would say you're no this girl or that girl pretty, but for the most part, I think most people here are considered of your feelings. Yet, you stay taking jabs at people.Most people here are ok w/ me. But, without any provocation, this guy has gone out of his way to pester me; on threads, with his dumb PM's, and now even on my Yahoo group. So wtf? Why should I be nice to this douchebag? Fuck him.

hehe. I didn't know that. Well, in that case, get him!

[girlyg]

.. and I'm not saying women are weak but every WOMAN needs a strong man to support her no matter what kind of support that may be

Why do you think every WOMAN specifically needs a strong man?! Do you still live in the last century? Yeah every PERSON needs some supports from our social network but that's completely different from "every woman needs a strong man". There is a stronger personality in every relationship and I've seen both women and transsexuals being the stronger one in the relationship. Sorry dude just because you are a man doesn't automatically make you strong.

[signupjustforthis]

Obviously not every man is strong, as is apparent on this forum. I dont think he meant it in a sexist way, i thought he was being sweet and being a real MAN. Obvoiusly not every woman needs a man, some are lesbians and some are perfectly fine without a man. But for most women, they would WANT a man who would love them for who they are, that would treat them like a woman , that would respect and SUPPORT THEM. Thats the ideals that most women have and you are just being a bitch by talking about exceptions. There are plenty of exceptions, and plenty of women can be happy without men but you cant ignore the fact that most women also want men who can love them and support them and BE THEIR MEN.

You are just picking on him for semantic reasons and its pathetic.

I think this guy is great , i wish i have a man like that.

[girlyg]

You are just picking on him for semantic reasons and its pathetic.

It's not semantic. It's logic. All women need a stronger man + Transsexuals are born to be exactly the same as women emotionally = all transsexuals need a stronger man in her life. The premise is false, therefore the conclusion is false. It's called logic.

Yeah, he's sweet. That's got nothing to do with his logics though. I kinda like to have a sweet guy like that so that I can bitch and bully all the time :? Yes I am the strong one.

[patsy1969]

FOR THE RIGHT GUY..I'LL GIVE IT UP IN A SEC. TO LOOK HIM IN THE EYES AND SEE THAT HE LOVES ME...UNDERSTAND ME..AND WILL CATCH ME WHEN I FALL...SOMEONE TO WAKE UP WITH ..WHATEVER HAPPEND WHEN I WALK OUT MY DOOR AND FACE THE WORLD, IF I'M WOUNDED..HE'LL BE WAITING FOR ME AT HOME TO PATCH ME UP BEFORE MY BATTLE THE NEXT DAY......

Yasmin, I would be a hypocrit if I would say I like you for your inside, simply because I do not know your inside. Everybody who only know you from sites like these are drooling over your body, including that stick and yes, a lot will not want to take you and meet the parents. It is idiotic, it is unfair, it is confusing, it is life.
However, it is so very good of you to speak out so that people realize tgirls are just like regular people; surprise they have feelings too!
If we ever meet, I would love to be with you; of course sex with you must be great, but jeez, you have looks genetic girls would love to have. Be proud of yourself you have all the reasons to be!

[signupjustforthis]

You are just picking on him for semantic reasons and its pathetic.

It's not semantic. It's logic. All women need a stronger man + Transsexuals are born to be exactly the same as women emotionally = all transsexuals need a stronger man in her life. The premise is false, therefore the conclusion is false. It's called logic.

Yeah, he's sweet. That's got nothing to do with his logics though. I kinda like to have a sweet guy like that so that I can bitch and bully all the time :? Yes I am the strong one.

Blah blah blah, shut the hell up.

Obviously, no one needs ANYONE to survive. So yeah, he shouldn't say "all women" need a man, because there is no one statement that will ever APPLY to EVERY WOMAN , that part is obvious. Normal people wouldnt even have to mention about that, because it's implied and it's common sense. The poster was making a generalized statement and that is FINE. :roll: Go find something else to do will you ?

And he didn't say women are weak, he said they need a strong man, that does not mean that women are weak. And just because you can bitch and bully a guy does not make you a "strong" person. It means you are a bully and a whinner.

[oriolo]

This is my my first time here writing so I apoligize if I'm broking any rule and also for my bad english :oops: . Life is tough and even more tough for some than others, and probably very tough for an escort specially a shemale. Even so they often go alone by themselves, facing all the problems alone.
Maybe a "working girl" is better with someone who understands her and gives her support that no one else gives, but that doesn't mean they are weak. Everyone, at least at some time, needs that. Since they often are brave enough to continue even if people "throw rocks" it isn't very difficult to see wich part will be the stronger one :wink: . I felt I needed to say this.

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

A lot of girls are being blame for working and I feel like some or even most of the guys here don't understand us. Do u ever wonder how can such a large percentage of any group are in this lifestyle?

Most of us start at a very young age, either in our teens or 20s. This is the most cofusion stage in our transitioning to adult hood period. we're talking people in general..it's confusing and frustrating..so take that and add realizing u should be a woman but was born male...u then have to make life decision..should i transition or not.

pros:
1.i get to be who I am

cons:
1. risk loosing family, friends
2. what will this do to me.
3.will i be happy
4.how will i get the money to transition.
a.nose 5,000
b.breast 5,000,
c.forehead 7-12,000
d.hormones 800/3months
e.adams apple, chin, cheek bones, and last but not least silicones...

that's a lot of money in an attempt to look as much as a woman as possible.

5. how will i make this kind of money.

there are so many things running though their head and worry....trust me..staying in school and continue being ridicule is last on there head...so here u go...

6.he hopes to be find love...only to find that most guys don't want u as a gf. at least not unless u look like the girls 100,000.00 surgery later....if they even want that...most guys we meet want the fantasy of being with us tgirl and back to their world the next morning...after a while u feel use, a lone and cheated.

most girls choose to escort as a solution after so many doors had already slam in their face..some jump right to it cause they were smart enough to realize from their friends experience...yes some of us are very smart, pretty, and probably find a regular job somewhere enough to survive...if u're a genetic girl...our expenses are not the same...we start our beauty with a canvas while genetic girls are born with them....

for those who don't know....when u pay for the girls..u don't pay for sex...u pay for not having to be in their life after u cum.....consider a fair contribution for what we have to go through...i feel like i can continue..but the reasons goes on....

IF U DON'T THINK IT'S HARD...TAKE A FEW WEEKS AND WALK IN OUR SHOES...DRESS UP...SEE HOW YOUR FAMILY WILL REACT...YOUR WORK...HOW DIFFERENT THE WORLD IS WHEN WHEN JUST SHOPPING AT THE MARKET FOR FOOD...

pro #1: you can ALWAYS be who you are, only GOD can judge you

cons:
1. family is a tough call; I think alot of people put their family up on this high pedestal as if no one else in their family has EVER done anything that would be seen as out of the ordinary; it's almost as if family members in AA or NA get a free pass compared to transsexuals.............on one end you have someone who loves themself and is working toward a goal, and on the other end you have someone who is [possibly] in a "I hate myself" position and is doing everything to destroy their body yet they get a free pass...................

I was actually going to go down the list but I just realized it won't be read, too many haters.............................lol

oh well

[werwt22]

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ok? and? :roll:Once again, bitter tricks come here to cry like bitches on each others' shoulders.

What's this convenient morality of yours based on? What your mommy approves of? :lol: Awwwww. ;) Does the poor baby somehow feel all dirty about being w/ the bad ol' shemale escorts? :roll: Boo-friggin'-hoo... Come out of your closet, and find yourself a virgin GF then, prince charming.

It takes two to tango, and what we're discussing here is a professional service. Anyway, how do we know for sure - and why should we care, for that matter - what type of skanky bitches your funds get you. You get what you pay for, ya know, big spender?

You know what? You have a lot of shit to say.....every thread i see you post in your talkin shit to someone. Do you always have to try and offend someone to get your point across? I actually have realations with a T-girl at the moment and we've had this conversation and I'm saying I have an idea of what Yasmin is speaking about. I just gave a certain perspective on how some men think, not me specifically, so how bout you stop bein an ass and read my post next time. =D :wink:

[Beckdemure]

I think many of the arguments used to condone the "working girl" mentality are the same as those used by the inner-city teen and joining a gang/becoming a dealer.

"Society made me who I am!"

And you can definitely make an argument in support this statement. The young, inner city male is often left to care not only for his mother, but siblings as well. There aren't many economic opportunities on the streets and the young, inner city male soon finds there is a ton of money to be made in "slanging rocks." As a society, we don't offer any help. The inner city school is often the most neglecte, poor facilities and highly underpaid teachers. This translates into a never ending cycle of poverty and creates more pushers.

Likewise, American civil code fails to protect the rights of the transgendered individual. Currently, most state and federal laws regarding the rights of the transgendered begin with the assumption that "sex = chromosomes". This means, while I look and feel female, in the eyes of the court I'll never amount to more than a male. In the strictest sense, the court can extend the reading of this into the workplace and school.

My chromosomes equal male, therefore I must maintain a male persona. I am not entitled to dress as I please. I may do so, but at my own risk. This is why sexual identity is not protected in the same manner as gender, sexual orientation, race, etc. The courts see it as something that as chosen, rather than ascribed at birth.

This lack of protection prevents many transgendered individuals from holding jobs outside of the fashion, cosmetic or entertainment business.

Luckily, I had the support I needed to make my transition without having to do something that I would not feel comfartable doing, but I can totally understand why so many girls enter the business.

[Quinn]

I think many of the arguments used to condone the "working girl" mentality are the same as those used by the inner-city teen and joining a gang/becoming a dealer.

"Society made me who I am!"


A message that always speaks to the weakness of its messengers. Whether they like it or not, individuals are always responsible for both who they are and what they choose to do, not society.

-Quinn

[Dina Delicious]

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[yodajazz]

A factor in them becoming working girls, is so many are picked on in high school. Kids who are trying to confirm their own identities by attacking others who are different. But this is a time when youth should be getting ideas about career preferences. Couple that with the struggle of transitioning in a non accepting society. Its got to be tough to concentreate on getting career skills.
But hopelfully, over time society should gain greater acceptance for classes of people who are different. Japan has a much older culture than here. The male actresses of the Kabuki theater, and the Geishas became to be considered resepctable over the centuries.

[Shining Star]

You know what? :violinThis Pity Me Pines attitude will only get you but so far. Yes, it is hard growing up gay or a trannie in an non-accepting/supportive surroundings, but that does not account for the entire story.

Many children coming from the same surroundings make up their minds they are not going to end up like their peers/adults and make plans to get out. Does this take strength? Yes, much inner strength, but it can and has been done.

Today there are more options for young gays/trannies than at anytime in history. You might not feel accepted at a Bible Belt Christian college, but trannies have and do attend such schools such as FIT, NYC, Columbia, Vassar, Hunter, and countless others.

Will grant you that many, many persons, some quite famous today "worked", at one time or another in their lives. But it was a means to an end, rather than a career. Look around, how many wealthy ex-providers does one see? Now many do you see even reaching middle age?

Working as a choice, that is leaving aside those forced into it, has always been a lazy profession. It is much easier to roll out of bed when one wishes, pick up the phone or hit the stroll when one needs funds, rather than do what the rest of the world does and hold a legitimate job.

Life is full of choices, and choices have consequences. Just as their are trannies who have gone to college/started businesses/ work for a living, there are "poor" people who came from bad backgrounds and do the same thing. As the Aretha Franklin song says "Pride, A Deeper Love"

Do not think many people object to trannies per se, well perhaps in certian areas, but more object to the behaviour/attitude most trannies seem to have. As a general rule trannies seem to have this off base idea of what a woman is supposed be, coupled with some pretty heavy illusions of grandeur. Look around, how many "normal" women does one see walking around in boad daylight with their bosoms hanging out, acting sexy? Such stuff just will not cut it in an office or any place of employment. Nor will the confrontational "street" attitude either.

There are allot of trannies out there who are not "working". Guys always complain, "why can't I find them"? Well for one thing most want nothing to do with the "scene", or anyone involved in it, this includes trannie chasers and other trannies. Many of these girls have worked too hard and too long to build something of their lives, and simply aren't willing to risk anything. Now I'm not saying some of these girls never worked, maybe they did; but again it was a means to an end, rather than a career.

Again, one must face the facts many working trannies, simply like the easy way of life. Many of these girls make vast sums of money, and have little or nothing to show for it in the end but lots of operations, closets full of clothes and stuff. Even the girls that claim they are only working to make money for the operation, are right back on Eros after the surgery, only this time under the GG category.

Knew a black trannie who worked two sometimes three jobs (as woman) and went to school at the same time. Asked her why she did all of this and didn't she worry about being "clocked". Her response was simple, " you can fool some of the people some of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time. Sooner or later someone is going to find out/guess you are "different" and there is not much you can do about it, so why should I worry?" She went on to relate how she had been fired from more jobs than she could count. Usually these were jobs she held for one week, or the job was good as offered one day, then a phone call saying "we went with another applicant" would come the next day. she always knew the real reason why she was not hired/fired, but what was there to do? She just kept keeping on. Finally fed up with all that nonsense she followed a path taken by many gays, and other minorities, she started her own business. Oh yes, she did finish college and has two degrees.

This girl was always able to find work, get on in general, because many people found her to be a nice person. There are people out there willing to help anyone suceed, but you have to meet them half way/give them something to work with. If someone says "I'll give you a job working in my shop", you cannot come in late every day, come to work with a bad attitude, insult straight women and try to pick up their husbands/bfs.

There are several trannies working at various Housing Works thrift stores in NYC. Some are pretty, some have implants, but full five o'clock shadow. Am quite sure these girls do not pull down the money working girls make, but guess what? They are quite happy. Like the girl I spoke of before, the really do not care what people "know" or say about them, they just get on with their lives. Will also tell you that beard line and all, everytime I see one of these girls they are always getting digits/leaving work to go on a date.

That last bit brings me to my next and final point: many men who are into trannies have allot more respect for/and are looking for trannies that do not work and or holding down jobs/going to school. These girls may not have all the glamour or beauty a "wealthy" trannie has, since they cannot afford all the surgery etc, but they have something else, self respect. People tend to like/fall in love with persons like themselves, and therefore even men into trannies prefer girls who have a lifestyle similar to theirs, that is they have legitimate means of employment. From what I hear, many guys want a "normal" girl who happens to be a trannie. By normal they mean no drama, no street attitude, just normal.

The sad thing about many of today's young trannies is they have been sold a bill of goods that says "working" as a life style is a legitimate means of living. Now this may be true in certian parts of society, but as the phrase goes: once at sea, always called a sailor. That is the longer one stays in the business and becomes associated with that said business, the harder it is to put it in the past. You hear it all the time: "...... the former prostitute". Heck you can graduate from Harvard medical school and discover a cure for cancer, and they still will stick that in there some where.

[Shining Star]

I've known and sadly buried more TS's than you can count, so don't get on your high horse with me. My comments are based upon over 20 years of being around the TS community. You wouldn't be so upset if the comments didn't strike a little too close to home.

Have also done volunteer work with trannies both at court and community centers. Work I've since given up because it does absolutely no good 99.9%of the time. It is mostly like talking to brick. Like you they have it all figured out, and the rest of us do not know what we are talking about. Or, it's quick with the snide remarks. Also like you they are full of anger and rage. Always fast with what they assume are wounding verbal attacks.

Tell me, when you heard of this persons plight, did you do something? Offer to or at least attempt to find her some place to stay? Assist her in finding her legal rights to any sort of state, local or Federal assistance?

As for your "friend", this thread was about "working" trannies, not social services. While her situation is sad, very sad indeed, cannot imagine you are advocating her "working" as away out of her situation. The last thing any young, emotionally distressed naif needs is to be thrown into that world.

[BrendaQG]

Well I am a TS and here is what I say about that.

I would tell your friend in Boca to try and get into school and live primarily off of student loans/grants whie getting an education. be sure to picka school that is truly transfriendly. (caution transfriendly =/= gay friendly. I went someplace gay friednly and transhostile and paid the price.) At such a university she would get her basic needs including medical taken care of as part of the price of admission. Which would be paid by the student loans with money to spare if she goes to an inexpensive school. Some girls around here in Chicago do exactly this. They also work if they need extra money say for living off campus or getting procedures done and such. If she does as I have said she will not only come out looking pretty good but having an education to build a legit career on for the rest of her life. As long as she dosen't major in some useless topic that is.

I would not tell anyone to do something I wouldn't.

[BrendaQG]

So sad. Being on probation when I was that young kept me away from that life and left me no option but school. Perhaps this one will just have to fall on her ass, be a TS in jail for a while, before learning the bad part of the trade.

Like I said it isn't an either or proposition. School Vs escorting. It is just as possible to escort as it is to flip burgers or whatever while in school.