Buyer Beware! Transsensual.com Is Streaming Only!

[TSPornFan]

FameDigital sent me a special offer to join Transsenual for $14.99. It sounded like a good deal to me so I joined the site. I quickly found out it is a streaming only site. This is NOT stated on the site. It mentions you can stream scenes. However, it does not say streaming only or no downloads. I was confused at first when the download links were not present.

I asked support and he quickly said the site is streaming only. He lied that it is stated on the site. He realized that he fucked up and ran out of chat. I spoke to a different rep and she said he was processing a refund. She was more honest than him. She said site does not mention it is streaming only and she will make sure staff will put a notice on the site.

If you want to download Aubrey Kate's and Jessy Dubai's scenes, then you are going to have to wait until they allow downloads.

[dreamon]

It mentions nothing about downloads on the website.

[TSPornFan]

It mentions nothing about downloads on the website.

It also does not say downloads are excluded. Most sites don't mention downloads as customers expect sites to offer downloads. Trans500 was very clean and said streaming only before they made the right change to downloads.

[RallyCola]

if it can be streamed, it can be downloaded. end of story.

[DeadGirl-Productions]

Keep promoting theft asshat.


if it can be streamed, it can be downloaded. end of story.

[RallyCola]

Keep promoting theft asshat.

shut up you moron. its not theft if you are a paying member and their own TOS states



1.5 "Services" shall be the ability to either stream and/or download images and scenes and navigate different areas of TRANSSENSUAL.

[TSPornFan]

if it can be streamed, it can be downloaded. end of story.

It's not that easy. There are some streaming sites with videos that can easily be downloaded. Ttranssensual tricks downloading apps/extensions. The site plays a short five second video and then loads the actual video. All of my extensions only recognized the short five second video.

[DeadGirl-Productions]

When you leave the range you don't get to take the golf course home with you. If it's streaming only, that means streaming ONLY - all else is theft.

(BTW, "Different Areas" could simply mean photos... certain things are kept vague to keep assholes at bay)

Call me a moron when I'm the one sitting around stealing porn rather than making a solid living having sex with other people's fantasies.

[Tapatio]

It also does not say downloads are excluded. Most sites don't mention downloads as customers expect sites to offer downloads. Trans500 was very clean and said streaming only before they made the right change to downloads.

Have you gotten laid yet?

[Instrumental]

When you leave the range you don't get to take the golf course home with you. If it's streaming only, that means streaming ONLY - all else is theft.

(BTW, "Different Areas" could simply mean photos... certain things are kept vague to keep assholes at bay)

Call me a moron when I'm the one sitting around stealing porn rather than making a solid living having sex with other people's fantasies.

Theft means taking something and consequently depriving another person of that item that was taken. If I download a stream, I haven't deprived anyone of their property and thus it is not theft. If I download a torrent, I have not deprived anyone of their property and thus it is not theft. If I watch a tube video, I have not deprived anyone of their property, and thus it is not theft.

[Tapatio]

Theft means taking something and consequently depriving another person of that item that was taken. If I download a stream, I haven't deprived anyone of their property and thus it is not theft. If I download a torrent, I have not deprived anyone of their property and thus it is not theft. If I watch a tube video, I have not deprived anyone of their property, and thus it is not theft.


This is millennial bullshit.

You deprive the artists and capitalists involved the right to profit from their work.

[Instrumental]

This is millennial bullshit.

No, it's fact. And the artists and capitalists rights aren't infringed at all. They are still free to sell their good at whatever price they please.

[Tapatio]

No, it's fact. And the artists and capitalists rights aren't infringed at all. They are still free to sell their good at whatever price they please.

But not to you, or anyone who downloads a torrent posted by the thief of the first instance.

Do it if you want- just call it what it is.

[Instrumental]

But not to you, or anyone who downloads a torrent posted by the thief of the first instance.
Also false. Not only do they still have the right to profit from us (often via various successful media services from Netflix to Spotify which have popped up in the internet age of world that still make them a viable and competitive option), I've bought plenty of music and movies that I first downloaded. If it's worth it, I have no problem supporting the artist or industry.

See: http://www.theguardian.com/music/2009/apr/21/study-finds-pirates-buy-more-music

I'm calling it exactly what it is and it's not stealing because we're not depriving anything from anyone.

[Tapatio]

Also false. Not only do they still have the right to profit from us (often via various successful media services from Netflix to Spotify which have popped up in the internet age of world that still make them a viable and competitive option), I've bought plenty of music and movies that I first downloaded. If it's worth it, I have no problem supporting the artist or industry.

See: http://www.theguardian.com/music/2009/apr/21/study-finds-pirates-buy-more-music

I'm calling it exactly what it is and it's not stealing because we're not depriving anything from anyone.

Sophistry, but that's OK for you.

[Instrumental]

Simply saying it is doesn't make it so, but I'll take your lack of rational arguments as a concession. =)

[RallyCola]

and so the ranting of a crazy "PERSON" has derailed what was shaping up to be a franklin rant over downloading porn into the legality of download what was legally paid for??? that is the main point here...not about downloading and trying something or illegally downloading a torrent or from a file locker...franklin paid for a membership and as the TOS does not say videos are not to be downloaded, he should feel free to save a copy of what he has streamed for his private non-commercial use.

Netflix for example specifically states it in their TOS.
e. You agree to use the Netflix service, including all features and functionalities associated therewith, in accordance with all applicable laws, rules and regulations, or other restrictions on use of the service or content therein. You agree not to archive, download (other than through caching necessary for personal use),

Therefore, I stand by what I said in the post that was deleted...the issue here is that Transsensual.com failed to add the requisite language to their TOS

[GroobySteven]

Also false. Not only do they still have the right to profit from us (often via various successful media services from Netflix to Spotify which have popped up in the internet age of world that still make them a viable and competitive option), I've bought plenty of music and movies that I first downloaded. If it's worth it, I have no problem supporting the artist or industry.

See: http://www.theguardian.com/music/2009/apr/21/study-finds-pirates-buy-more-music

I'm calling it exactly what it is and it's not stealing because we're not depriving anything from anyone.

It's absolute theft.
You've stolen directly from my company. We paid to produce that content and in turn, need to make the budget back in order to pay our wages and expenses. You've taken it for free, you've not paid to view it. It was stolen from us - and you are stealing it by downloading/watching on a tube when you know it's been stolen.
To use an earlier analogy, if you break into a golf course and play for free, then you are also stealing.

You can kid yourself as much as you want - but at least when I download a movie or watch a tube, I'm aware of what I'm doing.

[GroobySteven]

BTW as far as a pay site goes, I feel if it's streaming only and you find a way to be able to download it for your own personal use, then that is fair usage.
I'd support websites going to a fully streaming mode or a hybrid DRM system (can be downloaded but would stop working depending on what 'usage' you selected and paid for) but as it's not industry norm, I believe sites that don't allow downloading at the moment, will fail.

[Instrumental]

It's absolute theft.
No. But let's see how you explain how it is.


You've stolen directly from my company.
This is just reiterating your point, no explanation here.


We paid to produce that content and in turn, need to make the budget back in order to pay our wages and expenses.
This is true. Doesn't explain how it's stealing, but perhaps you tie it in later.


You've taken it for free,
True.


you've not paid to view it.
Yeah that's what it means to have taken it for free. Again, needlessly repeating yourself.


It was stolen from us
Reiterating your original point again with no explanation.


- and you are stealing it by downloading/watching on a tube when you know it's been stolen.
Again you've said it's stealing without any explanation as to how it logically fits. You're still in possession of the media that has been shared among others, therefore it hasn't been stolen from you. I suppose the hypothetical video could have been physically taken from a store (i.e. actual theft), but in the internet age, that is highly unlikely and I certainly don't know that.


To use an earlier analogy, if you break into a golf course and play for free, then you are also stealing.
I didn't break into anything and the first person to put a piece of media on the web for free is almost always a person who purchased it (or purchased a membership with access to it). Very rarely is it the result of a hacking. This analogy isn't apt.


You can kid yourself as much as you want - but at least when I download a movie or watch a tube, I'm aware of what I'm doing.
Not stealing that's for sure. That would require that you deprive a person of the item that you're taken. Downloading a video or watching a tube stream does not do so.

[broncofan]

It really does not matter whether it's theft under the common law or statutory version enacted by most states because copyright law is federal. If it violates federal copyright law then it is "infringement" which is basically the invasion of the property right of another. Because it's intellectual property, you can't actually deprive the owner of the content, but that doesn't mean you're not invading a property right. It just isn't larceny under common law because that only contemplates tangible property. But even the U.S constitution grants an express right to Congress to pass laws to protect intellectual property.

The golf course theft of services analogy is a reasonable one. If you sneak onto a golf course when nobody is playing and don't take any divots or leave ball marks you have deprived nobody of the ability to play. But property rights include the right to preclude other people from using the property or to control the terms of use and demand a fee.

[Instrumental]

It really does not matter whether it's theft under the common law or statutory version enacted by most states because copyright law is federal. If it violates federal copyright law then it is "infringement" which is basically the invasion of the property right of another. Because it's intellectual property, you can't actually deprive the owner of the content, but that doesn't mean you're not invading a property right. It just isn't larceny under common law because that only contemplates tangible property. But even the U.S constitution grants an express right to Congress to pass laws to protect intellectual property.

True indeed. Copyright infringement is the correct term. My point is simply that calling it theft or stealing is inaccurate. People like to call it that to sensationalize and make it seem worse since "copyright infringement" doesn't sound as sinister.


The golf course theft of services analogy is a reasonable one. If you sneak onto a golf course when nobody is playing and don't take any divots or leave ball marks you have deprived nobody of the ability to play. But property rights include the right to preclude other people from using the property or to control the terms of use and demand a fee.

Ah, but this isn't like sneaking on to a golf course. This is like making a replica of a golf course without depriving the owner of the original golf course access or any of the resources they use to run theirs. Sneaking on to the golf course would be comparable to a person hacking a website and taking content I think.

[MrFanti]

Can't wait until music & theft pops up....

[broncofan]

True indeed. Copyright infringement is the correct term. My point is simply that calling it theft or stealing is inaccurate. People like to call it that to sensationalize and make it seem worse since "copyright infringement" doesn't sound as sinister.



Ah, but this isn't like sneaking on to a golf course. This is like making a replica of a golf course without depriving the owner of the original golf course access or any of the resources they use to run theirs. Sneaking on to the golf course would be comparable to a person hacking a website and taking content I think.
It's hard to analogize because it's intangible property. When you make a replica of a video, you've captured the entire value of it....if you copy a golf course, most of the value would be in the resources such as land and so you haven't appropriated much. Anyhow, if nothing else it highlights the fact that someone can interfere with a property right even if they haven't damaged the property, which is close to the case when a very good golfer plays a course when nobody else wants to and is respectful of the grounds.

I think what you're saying is that it's sensationalism because the producer is still left with something. But the thing they started out with is the ability to market their creation. If people don't pay for it, they are not left with anything to market (or anyone to market to). It does sound like a close approximation of theft.

Edit: of course it does not meet the legal definition of theft because the legal definition of theft is intended to cover tangible objects that can be physically taken.

[broncofan]

You also said that the owner of the intellectual property right is not even deprived of the right to sell to the infringer. But in practice, if someone has already committed infringement by illegally downloading your work, you would like to rely on more than the honor system for recompense. If they've already downloaded your work for free they have no incentive to pay for it other than moral obligation which is not very strong when they did not feel the moral compunction not to commit infringement to begin with.

[Instrumental]

I think what you're saying is that it's sensationalism because the producer is still left with something. But the thing they started out with is the ability to market their creation. If people don't pay for it, they are not left with anything to market (or anyone to market to).

Same is true whether it's being pirated or not though. Businesses and entrepreneurs with good business sense will adapt to the market as many have done.

A person who has downloaded something often has incentive to purchase an item after having downloaded it besides morals. Often, companies sell bonus info, artwork, and other exclusive incentives along with the purchase of the primary item. Even digitally, companies will have coupon codes and other exclusive deals. You suggested that copyright infringement is a display of a lack of moral compunction, however I disagree in this regard. I think the ability to download media puts power into the consumer's hands and the moral failing occurs when the consumer neglects purchasing an item they otherwise would have bought had they been unable to get it for free.

[GroobySteven]

Same is true whether it's being pirated or not though. Businesses and entrepreneurs with good business sense will adapt to the market as many have done.

A person who has downloaded something often has incentive to purchase an item after having downloaded it besides morals. Often, companies sell bonus info, artwork, and other exclusive incentives along with the purchase of the primary item. Even digitally, companies will have coupon codes and other exclusive deals. You suggested that copyright infringement is a display of a lack of moral compunction, however I disagree in this regard. I think the ability to download media puts power into the consumer's hands and the moral failing occurs when the consumer neglects purchasing an item they otherwise would have bought had they been unable to get it for free.

You can word it any which way you wish, when you're taking content that you're not entitled to for free, then you're stealing it.
However, this is my forum, I pay the rent on the servers - and give it free to users (making the budget on advertising). As your a thief, you're not entitled to this site. So get the fuck outta here.

BANNED FOR LIFE.

[DeadGirl-Productions]

My golf analogy in it's original form is exactly apt.

Golf club members pay a membership fee to enjoy the amenities of the golf club. AT THE GOLF CLUB.
Porn site members pay a membership fee to enjoy the amenities of the site. ON THE SITE.

You don't get to take the course home with you when you're done and if a site says no downloading, the same applies there as well.

You wanna golf at home? Play a golf videogame, landscape your property, hell - start your own golf club.
You wanna porn outside of a site. Go outside and meet someone who's willing to fuck you, ya lazy so and so.

(whether or not the streaming only business model is financially viable is outside the scope of my analogy, BUT I've done it myself and was able to pay the bills... also, Ada Black's new site will be streaming only, so will be sure to post the results once this subject comes back around.)

[christianxxx]

If I start a site that is streaming only then that is because I SPECIFICALLY don't want anyone to download any of my content. So if you download the content and share it, then of course you are manipulating my content in a way that I expressly don't want you to do. Every fan knows this and every fan that downloads or views content that is supposed to be only streamed knows it as well.

[lifeisfiction]

There is a legal answer to this and it would surprise people, but I am not going there.

I signed up for the site and found it to be streaming only and cancelled within 15 mins. I think they should have been more clear on it. Not going to pay for something I don't like and there are other websites.
I personally don't like DRM, very limiting in my past experience and streaming only options it is not the same as a downloaded file. Especially when I want to watch a video in hd, downloading is a much more convenient option. So, I can't blame people for being upset. Especially when some companies have laggy servers so it is garbage.

I just wish they had said it was streaming only from the beginning.

[GroobySteven]

I just wish they had said it was streaming only from the beginning.

That's the crux of the matter. If they'd stated that.

I don't like DRM either, which is why it failed. It's not very good.

[Ernesto456]

well i bought a 30 days membership and feel absolutely ripped off. there is nowhere an obvious sign that this is a streaming site only. we talk about porn here. you watch it to jerk off and not for some educational reasons. right now the same shit. problems with your internet connection you are screwed. you are on the road have no high speed internet connection.. you are screwed.
so ok. never again will i buy membership from that company and i bought a lot on all there other sites like shemale idol and so on. even if they have great sites with great material because that is a ripp off! if you want to charge a bit more than do it but dont start this streaming only crap.

[I♥Shemales]

That's why i don't buy anymore

[GroobySteven]

That's why i don't buy anymore

So how do you view porn? Especially when you've a signature of 'I heart shemales' (albeit with a poor dead model on it).

[bluesoul]

Theft means taking something and consequently depriving another person of that item that was taken. If I download a stream, I haven't deprived anyone of their property and thus it is not theft. If I download a torrent, I have not deprived anyone of their property and thus it is not theft. If I watch a tube video, I have not deprived anyone of their property, and thus it is not theft.


this caught my eye because i've heard this same explanation used many times by others but never understood it (btw: i should have read the entire thread before reply but i got very excited and had to comment).

so you can download a torrent and if you like whatever you've downloaded you will buy it. okay. can you walk to a doctor to get your spleen replaced and pay him later if you like the job or do you have to pay for his services beforehand? after-all, if you walk out without paying for a doctors services you haven't deprived him of anything (besides his wages but he can set any price he wants for that right).

or how about a lawyer? my current attorney just increased his bloody retainer fee and guess what? i gotta pay the asshole before he even begins to think. can i use your line of thinking in this case and request he performs his services and based on his quality of work i'll think about paying him?

the problem i have with what you're saying, is your sense of entitlement. i don't get why you feel you should get something, that's obviously meant to paid for, for free, while maintaining the luxury of considering whether the person who produced said work should be compensated. if you don't like it, do you just save your money and move on? you still get to consume/view said product, but services rendered are never paid? where else can you do this?

[bluesoul]

well i bought a 30 days membership and feel absolutely ripped off. there is nowhere an obvious sign that this is a streaming site only. we talk about porn here. you watch it to jerk off and not for some educational reasons. right now the same shit. problems with your internet connection you are screwed. you are on the road have no high speed internet connection.. you are screwed.
so ok. never again will i buy membership from that company and i bought a lot on all there other sites like shemale idol and so on. even if they have great sites with great material because that is a ripp off! if you want to charge a bit more than do it but dont start this streaming only crap.


how often are you on the road or experiencing internet problems? if you buy a car and get a flat tire, you are screwed. if you have transmission problems and you can't drive, you are screwed. does that stop you from buying a car?

i don't think a porn company should make their product expecting every contingency such as one day you'll be on the road and needing to jerk off, or that your power will be shut off and the only thing on your mind is some cock and tits. think of it like this: netflix doesn't give a shit if you're taking a road trip or can't pay your electric bill. you stream it from their server or end of story. porn website = same story.

[bluesoul]

BANNED FOR LIFE.

i knew i should have read the entire thread before i replied :party:

[Nikka]

If I start a site that is streaming only then that is because I SPECIFICALLY don't want anyone to download any of my content. So if you download the content and share it, then of course you are manipulating my content in a way that I expressly don't want you to do. Every fan knows this and every fan that downloads or views content that is supposed to be only streamed knows it as well.

I sent u a Dm months ago about your movie with Sarina valentina that I wanted to DMCA but I wanted to know if u will be agree with that first, and you didn't even bother replying me...

[bigm25]

It sucks that Transsensual is streaming only... But that being said this whole conversation is absolutely ridiculous. The tube sites are destroying the entire porn industry. If it's free there will be no new content, and the performers won't get paid. What ever happened to appreciation of the performers and sites and producers? They provide a service everyone on this forum enjoys... They not only should be paid, they should be paid well, and thanked. Instead assholes steal their hard work and think they are entitled to porn for free. I wish there was a way to cut the cord on thieves and make them have to beat off to magazines only, no videos, no internet porn! :)

[danoblue]

I just got an email with a nice deal to join but since it's streaming only i will pass. I will only join a site with downloads.

I hope they change their policy.