TS escort murdered in Fulham

[Laphroaig]

Spotted this, this morning. A tragedy and depending on the circumstances, which are not yet fully clear, possibly a reminder of how dangerous the escorting business can be.

http://www.lbc.co.uk/police-appeal-over-murder-of-woman-in-fulham-107652

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/vanessa-santillan-transgender-escort-murder-5474149

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/murder-detectives-appeal-for-information-over-death-of-transgender-escort-found-beaten-and-strangled-in-flat-10159591.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-32188250

ps. I'm not sure if I should have posted this in here or the general section. Any mod, feel free to move it if necessary.

[legalman58]

A tragedy- let's hope the person responsible is caught- and sentenced to more than a few hours Community Service

[C00lK1D]

As much as anyone being murdered is a tragedy, I have no sympathy in this scenario. Every time you let a stranger into your home your risking your life, and to be fair the same risk is posed to a client. You look at her pictures, and see that her choice of career paid for louis vuitton handbags, and £400 boots, but what good are they to her now? was it worth it? Obviously not. I keep trying to tell someone I know the same thing, but some people just don't listen.

[Stavros]

As much as anyone being murdered is a tragedy, I have no sympathy in this scenario. Every time you let a stranger into your home your risking your life, and to be fair the same risk is posed to a client. You look at her pictures, and see that her choice of career paid for louis vuitton handbags, and £400 boots, but what good are they to her now? was it worth it? Obviously not. I keep trying to tell someone I know the same thing, but some people just don't listen.

I see this is your first post and can only hope it will be your last.

[martin48]

No one deserves, whatever their chosen lifestyle, to be killed.

[RobynBlakeTS]

As much as anyone being murdered is a tragedy, I have no sympathy in this scenario. Every time you let a stranger into your home your risking your life, and to be fair the same risk is posed to a client. You look at her pictures, and see that her choice of career paid for louis vuitton handbags, and £400 boots, but what good are they to her now? was it worth it? Obviously not. I keep trying to tell someone I know the same thing, but some people just don't listen.

Obvious troll is obvious

[RobynBlakeTS]

Thoughts with the family and friends. Poor girl :(

[Plaything]

RIP Vannessa.

You did it your way.

Duty Done.

Slainte.

[C00lK1D]

Get lost to Robyn, because I state my honest view I am a troll? I have a good friend who escorts, that I care a lot about and have warned of the dangers until I am blue in the face! I don't condone what has happened here, nor do I think she "deserves" it. Everything I have said above is fact, when you invite a total stranger into your home you risk your life, am I lying? Would you say I was lying if I told you jumping in font of a bus was dangerous too? And can you really say her lifestyle was worth her life? No matter how much money you make, what good is it when your dead?

[runningdownthatdream]

Get lost to Robyn, because I state my honest view I am a troll? I have a good friend who escorts, that I care a lot about and have warned of the dangers until I am blue in the face! I don't condone what has happened here, nor do I think she "deserves" it. Everything I have said above is fact, when you invite a total stranger into your home you risk your life, am I lying? Would you say I was lying if I told you jumping in font of a bus was dangerous too? And can you really say her lifestyle was worth her life? No matter how much money you make, what good is it when your dead?

So if i interpret what you wrote, I get: you're a john who fell for a working girl and wants her to give it up and be with you but she values her independence too much which leaves you feeling bitter and bereft of sympathy and/or empathy for any working girl that gets injured - or in this case murdered.

Sounds like you might be selfish and self-centred and I have no sympathy for you.

[Laphroaig]

when you invite a total stranger into your home you risk your life, am I lying?

And can you really say her lifestyle was worth her life? No matter how much money you make, what good is it when your dead?


To the first part, I'll remember that the next time I need a plumber or an electrician...

As to the second, in hindsight, maybe I poorly worded the thread title, but I made it clear in the opening post that the full facts are not yet known. Her death may be nothing to do with her lifestyle.

[Laphroaig]

No one deserves, whatever their chosen lifestyle, to be killed.


Well said, couldn't agree more.

[tarot]

Just brings home the risks involved to both escort and client .The escort and her safety - and the client and his privacy .
There are obviously people targeting escorts for robbery ect .But the the client is also in danger of police turning up to his home on impending investigation..
I'm really considering giving it all up .
,

[C00lK1D]

Running down that dream, you interpret partially correct, and I do emphasise partially. I don't consider myself to be selfish for warning someone of danger! How does that work? C'mon to fuck it's like if a kid plus chicken with a car, yeah I don't think he deserves to die, but I'm certainly not gonna shed a tear for him. I mean seriously, has the whole world gone fucking mental or am I just missing something?

[Lester316]

As much as anyone being murdered is a tragedy, I have no sympathy in this scenario. Every time you let a stranger into your home your risking your life, and to be fair the same risk is posed to a client. You look at her pictures, and see that her choice of career paid for louis vuitton handbags, and £400 boots, but what good are they to her now? was it worth it? Obviously not. I keep trying to tell someone I know the same thing, but some people just don't listen.


Get lost to Robyn, because I state my honest view I am a troll? I have a good friend who escorts, that I care a lot about and have warned of the dangers until I am blue in the face! I don't condone what has happened here, nor do I think she "deserves" it. Everything I have said above is fact, when you invite a total stranger into your home you risk your life, am I lying? Would you say I was lying if I told you jumping in font of a bus was dangerous too? And can you really say her lifestyle was worth her life? No matter how much money you make, what good is it when your dead?

I hope you re-read your posts and take note that you are projecting your own issues onto someone who is tragically no longer with us; just because you have a 'friend' doesn't mean this situation is similar in any way. You have no idea how she valued things or how she chose to live. Just because someone can afford to have nice things doesn't mean they must obviously value those material objects more than their personal safety; the facts are not out yet (and may never fully be) and it is not even remotely clear if her profession or the way she conducted it have any bearing on what has happened.

Also telling Robyn to get lost is uncalled for; she always comes across as honest and sincere in her posts in my book. Besides calling you out for trolling when you are being callously unfeeling when discussing a tragic circumstance is something I commend her for. You might want to state you have no sympathy for the departed but don't expect anyone here to respect that one bit.

[peejaye]

RIP I say, poor girl. If she enjoyed what she did then good luck to her and do NOT criticise, lots of escorts enjoy their work. They take risks by inviting strangers into their homes as we take risks travelling on a night bus or walking down a quiet street in a big city at 3am. It's no more dangerous! An absolute tragedy, sure anyone who met her must be feeling traumatised.

[Stavros]

Running down that dream, you interpret partially correct, and I do emphasise partially. I don't consider myself to be selfish for warning someone of danger! How does that work? C'mon to fuck it's like if a kid plus chicken with a car, yeah I don't think he deserves to die, but I'm certainly not gonna shed a tear for him. I mean seriously, has the whole world gone fucking mental or am I just missing something?

No, the world has not gone mental; and yes, you are missing something. It is called decency.

[SuzySnappz]

Get lost to Robyn, because I state my honest view I am a troll? I have a good friend who escorts, that I care a lot about and have warned of the dangers until I am blue in the face! I don't condone what has happened here, nor do I think she "deserves" it. Everything I have said above is fact, when you invite a total stranger into your home you risk your life, am I lying? Would you say I was lying if I told you jumping in font of a bus was dangerous too? And can you really say her lifestyle was worth her life? No matter how much money you make, what good is it when your dead?

Even aside from your being insensitive to this woman's death, escorting/sex work has been around forever, there is a legitimate need for it, and the solution is to work to make it safer for everyone, not to try to stop everyone from participating in it (which would be a lost cause anyway).

[rascal13]

Tarot, I was going to trot out that old chestnut about most victims knowing their killers to reassure you, but being the cynic I am, wanted to research it first. I've heard that a lot, but couldn't find hard evidence on a brief search.

It does make me wonder that (a) psychopaths have no sympathy for their victims, (b) they often seek power by claiming knowledge without actually providing more than the bare facts and (c) here we have someone openly expressing a lack of sympathy for this specific victim, and claiming a relationship indirect or otherwise with the scene.

Perhaps 'he' should have been reported rather than banned. May have just been a troll of sorts, lets hope so.

R

[TamR42]

Theres going to be a lot of worried guys out there if the police get hold of her phone. Going to be hard to explain to the wife police turning up at the door to help with enquiries.

I think i'm done with exports now. Just wish it was easy to meet TS girls in everyday life

[tarot]

For those that have wives and family , it would be very difficult to explain .Police turning up on the door to talk to you - could end up with losing everything .
This is the dark side of the business ,and all punters need to be aware of the risks .
It is a terrible thing that has happened to this poor girl , and may she rest in peace .But equally I would not want to see a punters life ripped to peices , because his number was on her phone .

[tarot]

I've just read that Trolls post .And yes he should of been banned.
I'm noticing a different ,more nicer attitude on this forum .It has become less aggressive ( myself included)and more polite .
I feel it's important to keep it that way .
Someones child has just been murdered , and a family somewhere is in greif

[Plaything]

She lived with the courage of her convictions.

More than most of us.

Trust she is in a better place.

Just as every cop is a criminal, and all who sin are saints.

Heads is tails.

She brought the shake, all hearts to break.

As previously suggested her death may have had nothing to do with her choice of life.

Who are we to judge?

Nothing else to say, other than RIP angel.

[wearboots4me]

Very sad story. Rest In Peace.

[Tapatio]

As much as anyone being murdered is a tragedy, I have no sympathy in this scenario. Every time you let a stranger into your home your risking your life, and to be fair the same risk is posed to a client. You look at her pictures, and see that her choice of career paid for louis vuitton handbags, and £400 boots, but what good are they to her now? was it worth it? Obviously not. I keep trying to tell someone I know the same thing, but some people just don't listen.

Please log out and never come back.

[maleforts]

Very sad indeed. rIP.

Maybe someone on this forum could help the police with out knowing they hold a tiny piece of information that could help bluild a picture. Does any one know what name she escorted under? May jog they memories if she didn't escort under her real name. May also lead to clients going to police before they get a knock at the door.

[alpha2117]

Terribly sad - a pretty young lady in her prime. RIP.

[blackheatUK]

Hi All,

Aweful story. She was an American from Miami FL who escorted over here. Search BackPage London UK for info.

Worked under the name TS Vanessa. look for ads posted Thursday 26th March at 12:19pm.

[christianxxx]

As someone who has known so many escorts, this is very very sad. She came to London to make some money, gain some culture, and see one of the most interesting & vibrant cities in the world. Whoever did this is a fucking monster.

[gslang]

most of her adverts have been deactivated. this website is site online:


http://www.vanessasantillan.com

[wearboots4me]

For those that have wives and family , it would be very difficult to explain .Police turning up on the door to talk to you - could end up with losing everything .
This is the dark side of the business ,and all punters need to be aware of the risks .
It is a terrible thing that has happened to this poor girl , and may she rest in peace .But equally I would not want to see a punters life ripped to peices , because his number was on her phone .

I have no wife to worry about, but I do worry about if a girl gets arrested and my phone number is on her phone. A guy on another forum said one time he got a call from a detective asking why his number was on a professional's phone. Ever since reading that, I think anyone involved in "the hobby" should get a prepaid phone, to be kept separate from everyday calling.

[Nikka]

I am reading this and I am shocked...........

[hairyguy]

this guy would have killed any other girl. her being an escort is an after thought. your logic dictates not to live life at all. when i date a girl, i let her into my home. i do not know her. she can kill me or vice versa. the ONLY difference between my scenario and this tgirl was that he was a paying client for sex instead of for a date (but still expecting sex as men always do). stay inside your home and don't meet people. because you know, they can kill you.

[Instrumental]

Get lost to Robyn, because I state my honest view I am a troll?

Don't take offense, she's assuming you're not that callous and stupid.

[Laphroaig]

There doesn't seem to have been much progress made in the police investigation yet, but a little more information here:

http://www.advocate.com/politics/transgender/2015/04/07/london-police-search-suspect-murder-trans-woman-visiting-us

[ras02]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3031850/Man-23-arrested-transgender-escort-strangled-beaten-death-400-000-flat-Fulham.html

[Vladimir Putin]

As much as anyone being murdered is a tragedy, I have no sympathy in this scenario. Every time you let a stranger into your home your risking your life, and to be fair the same risk is posed to a client. You look at her pictures, and see that her choice of career paid for louis vuitton handbags, and £400 boots, but what good are they to her now? was it worth it? Obviously not. I keep trying to tell someone I know the same thing, but some people just don't listen.


Get lost to Robyn, because I state my honest view I am a troll? I have a good friend who escorts, that I care a lot about and have warned of the dangers until I am blue in the face! I don't condone what has happened here, nor do I think she "deserves" it. Everything I have said above is fact, when you invite a total stranger into your home you risk your life, am I lying? Would you say I was lying if I told you jumping in font of a bus was dangerous too? And can you really say her lifestyle was worth her life? No matter how much money you make, what good is it when your dead?


Running down that dream, you interpret partially correct, and I do emphasise partially. I don't consider myself to be selfish for warning someone of danger! How does that work? C'mon to fuck it's like if a kid plus chicken with a car, yeah I don't think he deserves to die, but I'm certainly not gonna shed a tear for him. I mean seriously, has the whole world gone fucking mental or am I just missing something?

:violin

You're a douchebag, case closed. You're probably some sexually frustrated blue-balled loser who recently either got ripped off or had an unsatisfying experience with an escort and now you're using this horrible tragedy as an excuse to lash out at someone who's unable to speak in her defense. Do you feel better now???

[Getshorter]

I have no wife to worry about, but I do worry about if a girl gets arrested and my phone number is on her phone. A guy on another forum said one time he got a call from a detective asking why his number was on a professional's phone. Ever since reading that, I think anyone involved in "the hobby" should get a prepaid phone, to be kept separate from everyday calling.

You guys are seriously over estimating the resources of the metropolitan police force, the idea that they could have the time or inclination to personally pay a visit to every contact on somebodies phone is ridiculous.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/vanessa-santillan-murder-appeal-for-spanish-speakers-after-high-class-transgender-escort-beaten-and-strangled-10170225.html

[wearboots4me]

You guys are seriously over estimating the resources of the metropolitan police force, the idea that they could have the time or inclination to personally pay a visit to every contact on somebodies phone is ridiculous.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/vanessa-santillan-murder-appeal-for-spanish-speakers-after-high-class-transgender-escort-beaten-and-strangled-10170225.html


From the link, I take it you're in the UK. Here in America, police do sometimes investigate such things, depending on the local jurisdiction. I think prostitution is a low priority, but if they get complaints, or especially if they suspect drugs may be involved, they do take the time to investigate. And if you use a car to commit the "crime" the car is subject to forfeiture, so there is some financial motivation for them to pursue these things. Usually, if you don't get arrested at the scene, you're not likely to be arrested, but police have been known to call home phones and leave messages or tell whomever answers that a guy has been questioned in a prostitution investigation.

[wearboots4me]

I meant they might or might not investigate prostitution, of course they always investigate murder.

[rogueirish]

Her husband has been charged

[rodinuk]

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/man-charged-over-murder-transgender-woman-fulham-1501729

[rickhr]

As much as anyone being murdered is a tragedy, I have no sympathy in this scenario. Every time you let a stranger into your home your risking your life, and to be fair the same risk is posed to a client. You look at her pictures, and see that her choice of career paid for louis vuitton handbags, and £400 boots, but what good are they to her now? was it worth it? Obviously not. I keep trying to tell someone I know the same thing, but some people just don't listen.

You obviously take a risk visiting working girls. You should think a little more carefully before you make such a stupid comment and make it clear what a parochial bigot you are.

It is a pity as suggested that you did not make that your last post.

[Bigdunc]

Totally shocked reading this, a really pretty girl, taken too soon, RIP.
Only strange thing I noticed reading through and looking on backpages is someone posted one of her ads on the 9th may? Must of been her deranged boyfriend/husband.

[brummie]

Her husband has appeared in court today

[brummie]

She was murdered after being with a client in front of her husband
http://courtnewsuk.co.uk/newsgallery/?public_id=42196

[Laphroaig]

Thanks for the update, brummie.

[brummie]

Husband found guilty
http://www.courtnewsuk.co.uk/?news_id=42359