Do you believe aliens exist and visit our planet Earth?

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

Hi everybody,

Top NASA officials (who became whistle blowers) believe in aliens.
The astronauts believe they exist.
Airline pilots and air traffic controllers believe in them.
Air-force pilots and personal believe in them.
Don't you??

Why not?
Hmm, i guess because you think they are all wearing tin foil hats? Right?

Neil Armstrong
"...There are great ideas, undiscovered - breakthroughs available to those who can uncover one of truth's protective layers" - Neil Armstrong
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUx1SURbb3g

Buzz Aldrin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpfvhdmhQy4


UFO sightings in outer space - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFO_sightings_in_outer_space)


Astronaut Edgar Mitchell Saw UFO Craft In Space
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nrp-ysOhU-w

U.F.O DISCLOSURE PROJECT - FULL VERSION.
This is a long one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUk



Your votes will be seen by others.








Babe,

http://www.netanimations.net/Moving-UFO-clip-art-hovering-in-a-wavering-spin.gif
xoxo

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

Dr. Edgar Mitchell ★ UFO Interview 2013 Aliens Are Real And Watching Us - The Day Before
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAyVSylJBuo


Babe,
xoxo

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

Na-nu na-nu, everybody,

Here is a different clip.
It's shorter - for the Attention Deficit Disorder afflicted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpGUocanRjc


Babe,
xoxo

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

Hi everybody,

This is a Huffington Post video which talks about President Dwight Eisenhower meeting with aliens in the 1950s.
From what i've read, the aliens were Commander Val Valiant Thor, Donn and Jill from below the surface of Venus.

Those USA presidents, tsk!...we should never believe THOSE guys, right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0HCw_WgVW8




Babe
http://www.merc.ca/vbulletin/images/smilies/starwars.gif
xoxo

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eppi639CUKw

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

Hi all,


https://books.google.ca/books?id=fr_XAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA129&lpg=PA129&dq=Maria+Ostric&source=bl&ots=Rot-fe2nwq&sig=NoSaljs_mGsDiIhA0D91flW-Tjs&hl=en&sa=X&ei=lZjZVLb8KYy_sQSpvIGYAQ&ved=0CFsQ6AEwDg#v=onepage&q=Maria%20Ostric&f=false



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuHJz-xPopU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usfQoFoAZUs




Babe
http://www.netanimations.net/Moving-UFO-clip-art-hovering-in-a-wavering-spin.gif

xoxo

[Stavros]

This is a Huffington Post video which talks about President Dwight Eisenhower meeting with aliens in the 1950s.
From what i've read, the aliens were Commander Val Valiant Thor, Donn and Jill from below the surface of Venus.


You might want to spend the time you waste promoting this drivel asking why people believe something so unoriginal and so false? If you do, you will discover that mystics have been around for more than a thousand years, and that those who were not just deluded used their 'special powers' to make money out of gullible people, from the savants of the Middle Ages, young virgins claiming to have been impregnated by Jesus, to a nutcase like Joanna Southcott -who as is always the case, was possessed of phenomenal secrets about the world, but secrets she could not reveal just at the moment but only to a select group of people (the Bishops of the Church of England in Southcott's case). When she died she left behind a box containing secrets that would change the world which only the Bishops should be allowed to see. But when it was opened, all that was found was a lottery ticket and a gun...

The Aethurius Society has for years been promoting the claim that Jesus and Buddha are time-travellers who came to earth from other planets, there is a ridiculous woman called Omnec Onec who claims to have come to earth from Venus, is over 400 years old and has a message of peace and love -and please buy her books (they are on Amazon)...she was on the Jerry Springer show but it seems that even with an IQ that cannot be measured and a facility in over 100 languages (which she has not been known to actually speak) she could not name the Vice-President of the USA, and when asked about the spaceship that brought her to earth refused claiming we earthlings are not yet ready for that level of knowledge, its a secret, and so on. The fact that she is in reality a fraud called Sheila Gibson, and used to work as a cashier and a bar maid is the kind of secret she does not want revealed.

There is no evidence that a Commander Val Valiant Thor ever existed, although there was a character called Captain Valiant Tor who appeared in an issue of the comic book Space Adventures in 1954 at around the time that Frank Stranges was publishing his Christian Evangelist pamphlets (eg GOD-Save My Child! _A Report on Juvenile Crime). The photos of Valiant Thor on the web clearly show two different people, one of whom -the blonde man in the Pentagon- has been identified as a Colonel in the Marines from I think Nebraska or Colorado who was on secondment to the Pentagon at the time.

Stranges is part of the movement which believes not just in extra-terrestrials but does so because it validates the claim that Jesus rose from the dead and is still alive and doing good work with civilisations in other parts of the universe - it is crucial to his message that you accept Jesus as the son of God, because otherwise the whole of the argument about life on Venus is rendered meaningless, because God created us all.

Note also, that while these people have an attachment to Jesus and Buddha -both 'Aryans' in the context of Third Reich mysticism- there is no room in their vision for Moses or Abraham or indeed, the Jews, and no place for Muhammad or Muslims. In a youtube clip Omnec Onec, the woman from Venus, confirms to her Norwegian interviewer that 'we' are White like you. Black people might as well not exist. But then courtesy of Walid Far'd and Elijah Mohammed, they promoted their own theory (through the Lost-Found Nation of Islam) that they were the first and chosen race whom God created.

Stranges also believes the theory that planet earth is hollow and that at the centre of the earth there are multiple civilisations, all far advanced from our own. The claim that a well known figure, Admiral Byrd slipped through the real hole at the 'North Pole' to visit these internal civilisations -needless to say he wrote about it in his diary but the diary has mysteriously disappeared- is undone by the fact that at the time he was said to be flying over the North Pole he was somewhere else, but why let facts get in the way of a good story?

Stranges has claimed that Commander Val Valiant Thor offered President Eisenhower a cure for cancer, which Ike declined because it would 'wreck the US economy' -yet this caring Venusian who speaks 150 languages did not then decide to come to Europe instead and donate or even sell his cure to the UK's National Health Service, or to ICI, Burroughs Wellcome, Hoechst, or CIBA -the largest pharmaceutical companies in the world at the time. He could have visited Richard Doll in Oxford at the time that Doll was pursuing the research that identified the link between smoking cigarettes and lung cancer...but no. Perhaps because the USA was the only place on earth known to Venusians in the 1950s?

You can read about all this guff from Rudolf Steiner, Madame Blavatsky, Aleister Crowley, the Aethurius Society, George Adamski, Frank Stranges and a yet greater multitude of worthless rubbish on the web, and none of it is true, but you are free to believe it if you want to.

Even Richard Dawkins believes that if there is alien life it will be far superior to our own, it always is, because the simple fact that unites all these bogus theories is that they seek a way out from our troubled present, and offer blissful solutions to personal and political problems that are little different from the solutions already offered by religion, and are made by people convinced they are being deceived by their own governments and that there are secret networks of influential people (Jews, obviously; Freemasons, the Illuminati, the Bilderburg Goup, Bohemian Grove etc etc) who are standing in the way between you and eternal prosperity and happiness.

If there is alien life, on Mars, for example, it is most likely to resemble a mollusc, or a cockroach or something that can survive in extreme environments on the minimal amount of nutrition, as has been discovered with life forms at the bottom of the Mariana Trench where nothing ought to be able to live.

Crucially, fundamentally, science has no role to play in any of this, because SCIENCE IS BULLSHIT. No evolution, but creative design. No rational explanation of how a space ship works, only secrets.

Rather than offer you multiple links to pointless excursions into fantasy, you can read a rational explanation of many of these New Age fantasies here -

the first link debunks the Hollow Earth fantasy, the Articles button at the top takes you to the others.

http://www.theironskeptic.com/articles/shaver/shaver.htm

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

Hi Stav,

Comic books?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khBDvYqgiUc


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OG_fs-liOUs

I'll have a look at your link, and the names you mentioned which i NEVER brought up in this thread, except Valiant Thor and Eisenhower.

I will say, though, that when people have insight or knowledge about top secret topics, they are usually discredited and then locked up in mental institutions, or murdered.

Thanks, (i think)
Babe,
xoxo

[trish]

I will say, though, that when people have insight or knowledge about top secret topics, they are usually discredited and then locked up in mental institutions, or murdered.You can say that, but if it were true, you could never collect the stats to prove it. How would you know whether a knowledge claim was true or not? How would you know how many people have top secret knowledge but never tell? There'd be no way know what proportion of those who have top secret knowledge get murdered. It'd all be top secret. So I guess we'll just have to take your word for it.

What one can say is that claims of physical substance (such as the hollow Earth claim) can often be easily discredited or verified (seismically in the case of the hollow Earth, as hollow spheres have an identifiable, characteristic "ring" which the Earth doesn't have).

Of course my name is Frangi Guptwami from the center of the Earth and I'm just trying to throw you all off-track.

Did you know the law of gravity precludes the natural formation of hollow planets, asteroids etc. Were the Earth hollow someone would had to have constructed it that way or have hollowed it out. Oh my God! That's where the asteroid belt comes from!! The asteroids are Earth's old interior!!!

No wait. That's not true. The asteroid belt is the remains of a destroyed planet that was once populated by people who were about to divulge the top secret fact that.....
.......AAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH .......

[Jericho]

I love the Lies & Myths forum! :shrug

[broncofan]

I noticed nobody responded to the poll. I am guessing that some people thought there would be two (or more) mutually exclusive, collectively exhaustive options phrased in an unbiased way. It could just be that people forgot to respond.

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

Hi everyone,

For those people who know a little about Steve Vai, he was given his big break by Frank Zappa.
Steve played in Zappa's band for a while and this song comes from a very Zappa-esque Vai album which he recorded as a tribute to his idol, Frank Zappa.

If you are a Zappa fan, you are really going to LOVE this.
You better smoke your joint before listening to this funny tune lol.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjHR-SI7Bv0

" Little, Green Men "

We know ya' come a long way. We hope that your ship is o.k.
We hope you're gonna' stick around, maybe to save the day.

Liw liw, liw liw, liw liw, liw

You look - a real keen even though you are green,
with those big, large heads - something off of the movie screen.

Liw liw, liw liw, liw liw, liw

Little, green men, they look so funny.
Funny, green men. I want one to have and to hold and to....
Silly, green men, where do they come from?
Should we run away? Should we start to pray? Or is it
a movie they're filmin'?

Liw liw, liw liw, liw liw, liw

Are the people on your planet usually in a frantic panic like they are here?
Most of the time.
(...I'm freakin' out...)

Wait a minute, you! Was is true about Einstein's theory and Darwin's too?
What about war, the soul, the mind,
Love, Death, God, Divine?

Little, little, little, little, little, little, little

Little, green men, they look so funny.
Funny, green men. I want one to have and to hold and to....
Silly, green men, where do they come from?
Should we run away? Should we start to pray? Or is it
a movie that they're filmin'?

Announcement:

Ladies and gentlemen of the world,

It is my utmost privilege to announce to you that these little, green men,
actually, do exist, for they are part of the eternal past and venture from
all regions of our galaxy to find homage in our earth's center.

Governments of the world have been very good at concealing these little visitors
and preparing the public with "loving movies" and "pleasant melodies"...
Ya' see?.. like this one. Ya' hear that?

Yes, controlled media as to cushion the impact of the arrival of our little friends.
Throughout history, many people have claimed to see "strange lights in the sky".

(Oh no!)

The truth of the matter is that these lights, and beings, will only reveal themselves
to those who are pure at heart, for these enlightened aliens leave permanent,
imprinted information on the psyche of those chosen humans only to be revealed
to our deteriorating planet at the point in which our civilization shall enter the new age of
'Light without Heat'.

(Various, cute aliens sounds.
"Here i gooooo! Get ready! Wheeeee!! etc etc. )

( Spoken: )
Little, green men about four foot-one.
Maybe they want to have some fun.

Little, green men about four foot-two.
Maybe he wants to mate with you.
(ooh, ah, eee, etc...simulated alien sex sequence)

Little, green men about four foot-three.
Maybe they wanna' be set free.

(Spoken quickly and difficult to understand)
We're hoping that the human race will become part of endless time.
We love you all, and want you to know that in your heart, and in your soul,
there is a power bigger than the world.

Little, green men about four foot.
Maybe they want to kick some butt.
(Aliens kicking-butt sounds)

Little, green men, they look so funny.
Funny, green men. I want one to have and to hold and to....
Silly, green men, where do they come from?
Should we run away? Should we start to pray? Or is it
a movie that they're filmin'?

Little, green men, they look so funny.
Funny, green men. I want one to have and to hold and to....
Silly, green men, where do they come from?
Should we run away? Should we start to pray? Or is it
a movie that they're filmin'?

E.T.I.O.U.
E.T.I.O.U.
E.T.I.O.U.
E.T.I.O.U.

Ba-v-ni-ni na-ni-new!
Ba-nu-ni-ni-na-ni-new!
Ba-nu-ni-ni-na-ni-new!
Bra-da-di-dat!



Babe,
:dancing:
xoxo

[Stavros]

Hi Stav,
Comic books?
I'll have a look at your link, and the names you mentioned which i NEVER brought up in this thread, except Valiant Thor and Eisenhower.
I will say, though, that when people have insight or knowledge about top secret topics, they are usually discredited and then locked up in mental institutions, or murdered.


I mentioned people other than Commander Thor to provide a context which shows there is nothing original in the claims made by Frank Stranges, and that it was part of a surge of claims about 'alien visitors' in the 1950s in which the aliens came here to save us (presumably from Venus) or to destroy us (presumably from Mars).

So just stick with Commander Thor, and ask yourself why, when according to Stranges, President Eisehower rejected the offer of a cure for cancer, Commander Thor did not step back into his spaceship and come to Europe, or go anywhere else to help humanity?

The example of Omnec Onec seems to me to present your dilemma in a nutshell -if you want to, you can believe she is a 400 year old Venusian who has come to earth to help us lead better lives with her vast knowledge and wisdom; to me she is an ex-barmaid called Sheila. It looks to me like she went from selling coffee to selling secrets, and evidently there is more money to be made from the inscrutable than there is from the soluble.

As to your last remark, Daniel Ellsberg when he was working for the RAND corporation in 1969 photocopied top secret documents on the Vietnam war which showed that the American military believed the war could not be won, in contrast to the view they expressed in public. The papers were leaked to the New York Times and were a sensation at the time -but Ellsberg was not arrested at 3 am and locked up in a loony bin, he did not die in a mysterious car accident, nor did he do a runner to Canada or Russia like Ed Snowden -he stayed, was put on trial, and won the case.

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

Stav,

Just a short note for you.

I don't believe the Rev. Frank Stranges' story.

I believe in Phil Schneider's story.

I am, at present, composing a response to a previously posted comment which will include a response to your first post.

[Stavros]

Stav,

Just a short note for you.

I don't believe the Rev. Frank Stranges' story.

I believe in Phil Schneider's story.

I am, at present, composing a response to a previously posted comment which will include a response to your first post.

Are you serious? You made a big thing in one of your first posts of Eisenhower rejecting Valiant Thor's offer of a cure for cancer -from Stranges; you refer now to Schneider who uses a photo of Thor which he got from...Stranges...you might as well admit it: there is no proof that alien visitors from Venus ever existed, Frank Stranges made it all up to sell some books and cassettes as part of his mission to convert people to his brand of Christianity.

Follow the money, and you will find your way to the truth.

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

Stav,

Do yourself a favor and click on the search feature and type in Frank Stranges and you will see all the threads and posts of who has mentioned Frank Stranges.
It's mostly you.

I mentioned his name a couple of times in this thread to say i do not believe his story.

You say i did agree with him and then two people use the "vote up" button to make it look as if what you claim is factual. What a mob. Get your facts straight.

[Stavros]

Stav,
Do yourself a favor and click on the search feature and type in Frank Stranges and you will see all the threads and posts of who has mentioned Frank Stranges.
It's mostly you.

I mentioned his name a couple of times in this thread to say i do not believe his story.

You say i did agree with him and then two people use the "vote up" button to make it look as if what you claim is factual. What a mob. Get your facts straight.

I would in most cases be alarmed at the ease with which you promote an idea, then claim you have done no such thing. In this thread and others where you mentioned Valiant Thor, your assertions were backed up by links which led either directly to one of Stranges' lectures on youtube or were based on the claims he made about meeting Thor in the Pentagon, Thor's meeting with Eisenhower and Nixon, the cure for cancer, and so on. In fact I am not alarmed because it seems every time you realise you have made a mistake, you decline to accept responsibility; this, it appears, is your modus operandi. You have not attempted to answer any of my questions, such as the question about Thor's cure for cancer and why, when it was rejected by Eisenhower, Thor did not take it elsewhere -it is not a trick question but a legitimate one, but perhaps you realise there is no answer, because Eisenhower never met a man from Venus, Venusians do not exist.
In fact it doesn't matter in this case because alien visitations are garbage, as utterly ridiculous as a former barmaid claiming to be a 400 year old Venusian. But if you believe in aliens, that is your choice, but you might be more credible if you stop claiming to believe in aliens while at the same saying you don't believe the people who told you about them.

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

Stav,

I am so sorry to prove you wrong and YOU are so WRONG.

YOU should never forget to take your Alzheimer's meds.
Your memory is failing you, badly.

Here are the posts from around the time when i FIRST mentioned Valiant Thor and how Eisenhower refused Thor's remedies for all Earth's diseases.

The first post is the FIRST ever mention of Commander Val Valiant Thor on the HA forum.

In the other posts, i mention Phil Schneider.

There is no video link of Rev. Frank Stranges posted by me.
Maybe you ended up watching one, but i never suggested it.

You do owe me an apology. Are you man enough to apologize?

When i am, wrong, i apologize. Heck, even when i NOT wrong, i apologize sometimes. That goes with being a Canadian.


http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showpost.php?p=1554726&postcount=1163

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showpost.php?p=1555371&postcount=1167

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showpost.php?p=1555390&postcount=1169

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showpost.php?p=1555595&postcount=1171

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showpost.php?p=1555625&postcount=1174

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showpost.php?p=1555644&postcount=1177

[Stavros]

Stav,

I am so sorry to prove you wrong and YOU are so WRONG.


The source of the claim that a Venusian called Valiant Thor visited Earth and met President Eisenhower is Frank Stranges, for you to say you never mentioned him, or that you don't even agree with him is undermined by your persistent claim that the encounter between Venus and Earth happened, that Thor offered Eisenhower a cure for cancer, and that we are all in denial about the existence of fantastically intelligent white guys (and dolls) who love Jesus and seek our redemption.

If you were to look thematically at this, you find the Christian Evangelist in Frank Stranges has merely re-packaged his message in tune with the obsession in the 1950s and early 1960s with UFO's and alien visitors and that he has been followed by Schneider and others, for the most part, it is all part of the same narrative, for you to deny a direct link on your part to Stranges is disingenuous.

It looks like this:

We are in peril/Only Jesus can save us
We are in peril/the Venusians have come to save us

We are in danger/ Satan is threatening us
We are in danger/the Martians want to destroy us

We can be brilliant and peaceful people if we turn to Jesus/
The people of the future, the Venusians, are fantastically brilliant and peaceful and are buddies of Jesus

The name of our redeemer is Jesus/the messenger from the future is Valiant

And so on. It is all there if you look. Just as there are a hundred and one frauds out there trying to separate you from your dollars if you will only buy their book of the phenomenal secrets known only to them, but secrets which will change your life.

[CD_Sasha]

I'm sorry but this is a weird thread. Nysprod, any thoughts?

[trish]

Dahlia may have a point: the USOS just might be alien ->
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZT9aFpWy9og

[Laphroaig]

I think I've just found proof of alien life on Earth on this very forum...

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?p=1578864#post1578864

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

Hi everybody,

Well, trish, the asteroid belt, from what i've read, was caused by a planet called, Tiamat, breaking apart when Nibiru made a crossing through our solar system many milleniums ago. I'm sure you can do a simple search online if you want learn about Nibiru hitting Tiamat (which you probably won't do because you seem to already think you "know" everything).
That is a sign of ignorance when someone refuses to accept new ideas.
That's what happens when one spends so much time in school learning what the education.

Well, actually, you did mention the "Destroyer" planet hitting another planet (which would be Tiamat). So i will give you only a half a point for that, because apparently there is life on the Destroyer planet (Nibiru), and the race on Nibiru who are called, the Annunaki, are the ones who, many believe, genetically modified primitive man to become who we have become. It's a long story predating all religions. As matter of fact, modern religions plagiarized THOSE early, once hidden (recently discovered), and, of course, obviously religiously-discredited accounts.

What i have read is that when Nibiru's solar system passed though what was to become our solar system, one of Nibiru's moons collided with Tiamat and caused it to split into two. Then, miilleniums later, when the Nibiru solar system, again, passed through our solar system, Nibiru struck the two pieces and that created the Earth, the asteroid belt and the comets we see.
Or maybe all of that happened even during the SAME Nibiru passing, i wasn't there taking notes.
I get this information from Zacharia Sitchin who had studied all about this obscure topic of Nibiru and the Annunaki and ancient civilizations - basically, EVERYTHING the religious leaders and political leaders DO NOT encourage us to learn about because it would blow their whole Holy, and political Schtick, respectively, clear out of the water.

I am pretty convinced, by what you write, that this information is totally new to you. I am not surprised by that.
It's like discussing the healing properties of food to a medical doctor - they usually don't buy it - they just roll their eyes and say, "There's no scientific proof to support that claim," as if they know everything about health because they've studied only drugs and how drugs affect the body.

Anyway...
As far as proving anything to you goes, trish, i am learning that because you already think you know about everything about the universe, no matter what i offer as proof will be ridiculed by you.
Sometimes, i am glad i didn't go to school because i would end up believing only what the educational system teaches people about what they want people to know.
You're becoming every confrontational, insulting and belittling, trish. I guess i'll have to prove all of that, too? Hm?

You have the right to ask whatever you want to ask, while i have the right to answer or not. Not answering a question is not an admission that i can't answer it, it just means that you are not looking at what i post with an open mind.

You've said earlier in that post, when i called fred, Freddie the Freeloader and posted the image of the mouse that, "THAT is not discussing" or something to that effect. And now, here you are trying to make me (or almost everything i write) seem totally stupid just because you don't agree. Duh! What's the point? If you can't discuss with me, why resort to insulting me with your disparaging comments and intensifying sarcasm? It's becoming a little much, and it's very unbecoming of you, sweety.

Look, where is the discussion when i post something and all i see are people demanding me to prove what i say and to answer a whole bunch of "tricky" insincere questions hoping i say something wrong just to have you and bronco and whoever demanding answers from me and insinuating that i know nothing of value? Calling me paranoid and whatever else. Crikey!
That is NOT a discussion, in my opinion!


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Now, here is one example of a former engineer/geologist who had worked at Area 51 for seventeen years who was "knocked off".
He claims there have been several attempts on his life because he was speaking out about all the top secret stuff he was exposed to while employed by the USA government. They finally got him. He is no longer with us.

He appears to have been the classic, very religious, science-geek-nerdy guy, who looked uncomfortable within his own skin during his speeches. He doesn't have the suave behavior of a TV personality, as he was not an actor.
So don't expect all the head movements of a trained television personality. He reminds me of some of the people i've met in my life who loved to spend all their working time and spare time in a lab, alone and didn't seem to fit into society too well, like that Sheldon Cooper guy from that TV show, the Big Bang Theory.
I'll admit Mr. Schneider didn't have the best personal magnetism but that should not reflect negatively on the information he presented.
I doubt he was ever planning to do all the speeches he'd made, he just did it because he felt people had a right to know.

Perhaps there are other unknown details about him. I have read articles which stated he had mental issues, and that would add credence to the things i've said about how the government discredits someone's mental health once they start blabbing away top secrets to the general public.

If Mr. Schneider showed the one photo of that Commander Val Valiant Thor character from Venus, i will believe him before i would believe Rev. Frank Stranges' version of a person he referred to by that same name.
Rev. Stranges was authoring books and making money with his claims - appearing on television.
I am really not sure who the handsome guy and the good looking female were whom he had presented in his books and videos.
I've read that Val Valiant Thor came with two other aliens, and one was reported to be his brother but i see no resemblance whatsoever with the character Frank Stranges offered up as Val Thor.
There was, also a female alien, named, Jill.
Who knows?
It would seem likely to me that any real photos of the real Val Valiant Thor would be quite rare. And there is only ONE known photo of Commander Val Valiant Thor and it was shown by Phil Schneider during his speeches, his dad was in the same conference room as Val Thor. You want proof? Who am i to offer up REAL proof of top secret government stuff, trish?
All i have is what i see on the net, and no one will ever convince me that the net is all faked crap. It takes a keen mind to distinguish the real from the fake - i consider myself as possessing a keen enough mind for that simple task, which is why i don't believe in Frank Stranges' claims.

People like to show other photos of big men, and they have in this forum already, and say that big men are common.
Well, show me a photo of another big looking man with a neck THAT size sitting in a Pentagon meeting with top nuclear scientists, and i might believe Val Valiant Thor was a fake. Good luck, with that, though!
If that guy was human, why was he the only one NOT wearing a suite and tie in the photo?
If he was a German scientist like people like to claim he was, well, Germans have tailors who can tailor a suit for any size man.
If he was a German scientist, he was earning a top government salary to afford to look dashing in a tailor-made suit for him to wear.

Frank Stranges' Val Thor seemed far too contrived to be the real deal. But then again, who is to say what is and what is not the truth? I just say what i believe. Why do i have to explain everything in minute detail and provide so much proof?
I'll tell you why i think you are doing this, you're hoping i make myself look like MORE foolish (i already know in your mind you think i am a fool).
You can deny that all you want. Anyone with only half a brain can see it.
Oh, i guess you think i have LESS than half a brain lol, Right??

Perhaps Rev. Stranges was hired to throw the public into confusion about Valiant Thor. The mere fact that a comic book character was named Valiant Thor is another attempt to ridicule the truth by creating a diversion.
Who would the American public believe in the 1950s or 1960s, trish?..a Reverend of the Church, or some scientist who "fell off his rocker" and was revealing top secret information about the D.U.M.B.s and violent Gray aliens with laser technology. Why was Schneider murdered, but yet, Frank Stranges was invited to go on TV and publish books? Because he was preaching the word of God using Thor, calling him an angel of God.

When the church gets involved, i become very suspicious. I wonder how much money Rev. Stranges had to hand over to the money grubbing Vatican or whoever to let him preach about Val Thor.
The church were so against any talk of UFO's at that time, and throughout all time even as far back as when the the First Council of Niceae excluded the Book of Enoch from the canonized Bible. The Book of Enoch is readily available online, free to read. What a story THAT is. You want to deny that aliens exist??

Anyway, who's to say who is real? Me?
I am only saying what i believe in.
Please, do not ask me to prove EVERYTHING i've read in my life.
I could overwhelm you with convenient internet links to which you would only say, "Hahahah! That's what the internet says! Hahaha! You're so gullible! Hahaha."
I've not much time for that.

I'll say one thing, though, i was never interested in science fiction or super hero comic books, ever, as i always considered them to be - "misleading" - for lack of a better word.
When i was a kid, i was reading about and studying about our solar system, i was definitely not reading Captain America or the Space Avengers or whatever it is kids (and some adults) read.
I guess, now, you will want to argue the validity of comic books seeing as there is this huge, global conspiracy to tip everybody off with subliminal messages hidden in science-fiction and super hero comic books? Oye Vay!!

Speaking of comic books, i used to only read the Archie comics for entertainment and that was because of Betty and Veronica lol.
On that note, i would be Betty and you would be Veronica, and i considered Veronica to much 'sexier' than Betty who was much fairer personality-wise, and was more pleasant than Veronica.

I like to offer more information than i should because i am a friendly, rather gregarious, person, who likes to share - but trish, you cause me to feel some regret because you're on my heels so much, lately, demanding i prove everything as if to say, if i don't respond, i am a phony are an idiot or... whatever - it's all negative, nonetheless.
I don't consider your posts of late so much as a "discussion" as much as i think that you are simply badgering me.
Why? Is that how you "discuss" - by badgering people who disagree with you?
I don't badger you.
I try to remain polite - "try" is the key word, there.
You seem to be preaching about what you have learned long ago in books printed by the educational system - while i am talking about what i have recently learned by whistle blowers. Nowhere in university books will you learn the teachings of whistle bowers lol.

Anyway, i would easily believe Mr. Schneider before i start to believe people on a forum who basically chase me around the forum, demanding proof, and then when i provide proof, i get criticized for it over and over again as not acceptable in their opinion or belief system.
I am not anyone's servant on their payroll.
Hey, i like a good discussion -- but the name-calling and disparaging comments can go, if you all don't mind.
LOL I can't wait to see the disapproving comments made by the "dynamic duo" after this post gets posted. The dynamic duo becomes "The Three Musketeers", sometimes, perhaps better would be the "Three Blind Mice".

"The truth is out there", as they say. And "The truth will set you free".
Don't blame me if you only view the internet as a "farce" of nature, where everything is a lie.
Blah blah bah bah blah i know.



Why did Valiant Thor only go to the USA?...is REALLY a great question, Stavros, and i can not answer that. I have no authority to explain why.
I, suppose, anyone could speculate and suggest that aliens were/are well aware of the USA's interest in aviation, and their dominance as a world
power - i suppose.

The USA is/was one of the most influential countries - everyone copies the USA. So, maybe that's why Thor went there - knowing whatthe USA dioes everyone wants to do (usually)...i have NO IDEA lol...AND WATCH, someone'll quote that sentence and ask me to go into minute detail to explain further about it, WHEN i JUST admitted that i am NOT SURE of why Thor only went to the USA. lol frikken hilarious!

"The Roswell UFO incident took place in the U.S. in June or July 1947, when an airborne object crashed on a ranch near Roswell, New Mexico." - Wikipedia
Maybe that got the attention of aliens.

I think it was in 1954 when Eisenhower allegedly had several meetings with members of an alien race.

According to Stranges, Valiant Thor supposedly landed in Virginia in 1957 and met with Eisenhower. HUH?
Rev. Stranges wrote a book called Stranger in the Pentagon in which he claims it was Valiant Thor and two other Venusians: Jill, and Donn, the brother of Val Thor lol.
Stranges and, i even think, Schneider both claimed that Thor had lived in the Pentagon for three years.

Phil Schneider claimed that Val Thor had been living in D.U.M.B.s for 58 years. I would believe Schneider first - i would place my bet on Schneider's claims.
Rev. Stranges makes it sound as if he and Val Thor were like BEST buddies, almost like "roommates" or "drinking pals" sort of. I dunno.
Rev. Stranges said that Thor talked about Jesus and all sorts of religious things we could only expect from a crazed TV evangelist.
Could be true! But it sounds way too contrived for my liking.

Schneider says he had only met Val Thor a few times during Schneider's seventeen year employment while they BOTH "worked" in the D.U.M.B.s.
And trish, i am so surprised that you have no idea about the D.U.M.B.s because they are HUGE places deep below. Humans built them. try to find our when thedumbs were built and see if you can link it to thor's visit

I never said i had all the answers, did i? No!
Anyway, enjoy one of Mr Schneider's many lectures and the Q & A segment after the lecture.

I don't claim any of this to be factual but it's all sounds real to me.
Below the videos are a few links that tell about Phil Schneider and his life and there are photos of the D.U.M.B.s. in the "hollowed out Earth".
'kay?
Anyway, moving right alonggggggg...
In the following sequential video clips, the late Phil Schneider, who i call, an American HERO, talks about Area 51, the Dulce Base, D.U.M.B.s, Groom Lake, and a violent encounter with Gray aliens deep within the underground base during which several of his fingers were "lasered" off by the Grays.

Of course, it's easy to find debunker's opinions about anything.

Part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs4emKd_fG4

Part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xw3bla4y7tA

Part 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE3RsHXdYIA

Part 4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CinaxTJMqq0

Part 5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xm75Ie5xNeo

Part 6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6PmJCddBOg

Part 7
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gft-k3GFsxY

http://www.whale.to/b/underground_h.html
http://www.ufodigest.com/mystery.html
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread970697/pg1
http://www.openminds.tv/phil-schneiders-incredible-et-claims/9982






Babe,
http://www.netanimations.net/Moving-UFO-clip-art-hovering-in-a-wavering-spin.gif
xoxo

[Laphroaig]

My last post was obviously intended as a joke but there is a serious point behind it. A large portion of the rumours surrounding the existence of aliens, mythical creatures, etc stem from pictures like those.

I should know. Many years ago I passed off a photo that I had taken of an unidentifiable animal that had washed up on a beach as "proof" that the Haggis really does roam the wilds of Scotland. You'd be surprised at the number of people I was able to convince...

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

Hi all,

Sorry, below in the quote, i finished an idea that i had left unfinished in the original text.
That's the problem with ONLY a ten minute window to edit after posting.
I thought i had it all done - but i forgot to complete that idea.
In red is what i added to the original text



That's what happens when one spends so much time in school learning what the government funded education teaches. They teach people to close their minds.



Babe,
xoxo

[trish]

What i have read is that when Nibiru's solar system passed though what was to become our solar system, one of Nibiru's moons collided with Tiamat and caused it to split into two. Then, miilleniums later, when the Nibiru solar system, again, passed through our solar system, Nibiru struck the two pieces and that created the Earth, the asteroid belt and the comets we see.

Yeah, you’re right. They sure don’t teach that in Celestial Mechanics 507. Wonder why? Probably ‘cause the Illuminati would shoot anyone who’d even dare broach the subject.

So if Nibiru’s system passed through our’s twice, that suggests the two systems were, and may still be, gravitationally bound to each other. Wonder why we never observed a second planetary system (with it’s own planets and its own star...maybe two) in orbit around ours? I’m guessing the reason may be that on its second pass Nibiru’s system was slingshot up to escape velocity. A likely velocity for such an escape would be in the range of 45 kilometers/second. (Here I’m using the formula for escape velocity from the Sun v = sqrt(2GM/R) taking R to be an inner orbital radius) That’s about 0.00015c where c is the speed of light. Pretty fuckin’ fast. Still, the solar system’s only about 4.5 billion years old, so Nibiru and it’s star couldn’t have gotten too far away in that time. It should be about 0.0007 lightyears away...well within telescope range. Yet the nearest star we know of is 4.24 lightyears away. Boy these guys are really good at hidings things, don’t ya think? Discuss.

[Laphroaig]

"I don't claim any of this to be factual but it's all sounds real to me."

Sums up the whole post and most of your others really...

Dahlia, remind us all again of the outcome of your little "voting experiment" on the Prospero thread. That's right, there was a perfectly rational explanation behind it. So much for your vaunted perceptive abilities. Too busy looking for the "conspiracy theory" to see the obvious that was staring you in the face.

[rodinuk]

Just write your draft submission in a text editor and edit there prior to posting.


That's the problem with ONLY a ten minute window to edit after posting.
I thought i had it all done - but i forgot to complete that idea.

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

Well hi, there, rodinuk,

It's nice to see you here. I'm not sure if i've ever met you, before.

I DID use a text editor but then, at the last minute, i added an incomplete sentence while posting in the thread, and i'd only noticed the incomplete sentence after posting it.
And then something happened, all the thread names "disappeared" and all i saw were underlines where the thread titles should be (that's happened before, too) so i had to reboot, and when i came back, editing time had run out.

I've been using a text editor ever since Lap the Scot suggested that to me in the member services area.

Thanks,

http://www.merc.ca/vbulletin/images/smilies/pink.gif
Babe,
xoxo

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To Lap,
I only use "Lap the Scot" because i can't remember the odd spelling of that whiskey that you use as your member name. No offence intended.

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShShcjpKXiY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3Ya6qI9kM0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wHw-xuToIc

[Laphroaig]

No offense taken, I've been called a lot worse... :)

[broncofan]

If I'm posting drunk I might accidentally call you Drambuie, another Scottish beverage with three vowels in a row. If I do, please don't take offense:D

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqf2iNjgbl4
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqf2iNjgbl4)
" Do Yourself a Favour "

Isolated junk yard
Letting out the garbage
Eating through the core of life
Sweet fragrance irritates
In a state room death awaits
Persecute your own self-pride
Suffocate the new high
Ride the thorny mule that cries
"Dig your grave and step right in"
Like a Judas pay the price
30 pieces for a ride
Here's the fire pass a chew

Do yourself a favour
Educate your mind
Get yourself together
Hey there ain't much time

Shredded know-how give away
Species of the human race
Those funky winds of ups and downs
Hall of grit is known too well
Heaven still is your hell
Poison slowly slowly drowns
Let the devil step right in
Lucifer's your only friend
Ain't a soul going to pity you
Hurdly over time to death
With open arms it waits I bet
Don't you wish you could reach ground?

Do yourself a favour
Educate your mind
Get yourself together
Hey there ain't much time

Don't you feel yourself going down?
Don't you feel yourself?

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8
Don't you know, before you go, you'd better educate yourself?


Babe,
xoxo

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

I used to LOVE Drambuie in my coffee - when i drank coffee and alcohol.
A scotch fermented with honey. Mmmmm

[Laphroaig]

If I'm posting drunk I might accidentally call you Drambuie, another Scottish beverage with three vowels in a row. If I do, please don't take offense:D

Drambuie is just about acceptable. Don't call me Buckfast though, vile stuff that turns you into a wee ned like this...
(warning, translator may be required.... "don't gies any yer shite")

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scNLfr1EP08

[trish]

Sorry, 45 thousand meters/second times 4.5 billions years is not 0.0007 lightyears, it’s 676000 lightyears. My mistake. It still not a far distance as far as stars go, but far enough to make Nibiru’s star difficult to spot. Sorry about the error.

Good luck though! The vids you posted give us a different time scale. Was it something like six thousand years? So 45000 meters/second times 6000 years is 0.9 lightyears. So either Nibiru’s star is orbiting the Sun right now (and we’re living within a binary star system) or it’s rushing away from us but less is than a lightyear away...closer than the closest star. Why don’t we see it?

Hmmm one other problem. You said Nibiru’s solar system passed through our solar system,

What i have read is that when Nibiru's solar system passed though what was to become our solar system,...

whereas the vids you posted seem to say it was just Nibiru and a couple of moons that passed through our system. Were that the case, I guess we shouldn’t be looking for Nibiru’s star after all, cause it never passed through our solar system. One does wonder though how a planet passing through interstellar space without a Star had enough energy to sustain life for more than a few Earth days if that. It would seem more likely that Nibiru, if it existed at all, was originally part of our solar system, but that would go contrary to the Sacred YouTube Videos. Another possibility is our system didn’t have a star and we just latched onto Nibiru’s star. The problem with that scenario is it doesn’t explain how all the planets are roughly in the plane of the ecliptic and revolve in the same direction around the Sun. Moreover, the Sacred Videos clearly show Nibiru passing through an already established solar system and tweaking already established orbits.

Don’t link vids...DISCUSS.

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

Hi trish,

Tsk! If you would spend LESS time aimlessly blabbing away, and challenging to me to back up every thing i write, and posting erred calculations, and apologies for the errors, to only impress (or confuse) people who really can't give a hoot about that stuff, you'd be listening to Mr. Sitchin's lectures and learning about ALL the comments and doubts you've expressed about Nibiru etc etc.

What...now you're going to start asking me for the PROOF behind Mr. Sitchin's studies and teachings? I am not him.

Watch his videos, he might even shine a little light on the writings of the earliest civilizations from whom early ("business-minded") men plagiarized to create the religious dogmas which PLAGUE our earthly citizens and has caused BILLIONS upon BILLIONS of meaningless murders - all committed in the many names of...a loving, caring God.

And if you are going to pretend that you can apologize about something as UNIMPORTANT as an incorrect calculation (which means nothing to nobody other than yourself), you might want to apologize for your several needlessly "rude" comments, that you've made at me. At least that would make you look less petty (winking, and clicking my tongue against my cheek at you), sweety.




Babe,
xoxo

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

Yeah, you’re right. They sure don’t teach that in Celestial Mechanics 507. Wonder why? Probably ‘cause the Illuminati would shoot anyone who’d even dare broach the subject.



(Spoken with a British accent)
Anyone care for a spot of Illuminati?
It's been picked fresh from an Austrian vine and has been, promptly, cold-pressed and fermented and aged to perfection for your illuminated enjoyment.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXJfz4azOQs

" Hey, Big Brother "

Hey, big brother, as soon as you arrive
You better get in touch with the people, big brother
And get them on your side, big brother
And keep them satisfied

Welcome to the beat of the city street
Walk on now and don't be shy
Take a closer look at the people you meet
And notice the fear in their eye, yeah
Watchin' the time passin' by

Hey, big brother, as soon as you arrive
You better get in touch with the people, big brother
And get them on your side, big brother
Keep them satisfied

Focus your eye on the filthy sky
Just as far as you can see
Everybody's gettin' kinda tired of waiting
'Cause nobody wants to cry, yeah
And nobody wants to die

Hey, big brother, as soon as you arrive
You better get in touch with the people, big brother
And get them on your side, big brother. yea
And keep them satisfied

Now that you've got the picture
What you going to do?
Now that you've got the picture
What you going to do?

Awesome guitar and sax solo

Oh yea ya ya ya
Hey, big brother. I know you're out there.
Are you watching me? Are you watching us?
Big brother, you're never goin' to get us.
Big brother, you're never goin' to get to us.
Are yo gonna let 'em get to you?
No no. Never get me!
Big brother's coming.
Don't let 'em get to you!

Hey, big brother?
Hey, big brother?


Babe,
xoxo

[Stavros]

Why did Valiant Thor only go to the USA?...is REALLY a great question, Stavros, and i can not answer that. I have no authority to explain why.
I, suppose, anyone could speculate and suggest that aliens were/are well aware of the USA's interest in aviation, and their dominance as a world
power - i suppose.

The USA is/was one of the most influential countries - everyone copies the USA. So, maybe that's why Thor went there - knowing whatthe USA dioes everyone wants to do (usually)...i have NO IDEA lol...AND WATCH, someone'll quote that sentence and ask me to go into minute detail to explain further about it, WHEN i JUST admitted that i am NOT SURE of why Thor only went to the USA. lol frikken hilarious!


Ask yourself why this mania for UFOs and alien visitors became so common in the USA in the 1950s and why Christian evangelists were so closely tied to it, and you may find an answer in the impact that the use of nuclear weapons at Hiroshima and Nagasaki had on the way people conceived of war, because these weapons were unlike anything man had invented before, and appeared to make the apocalypse a practical reality at the click of a button or a presidential command. This sense that we were/are minutes away from the end of the world reached its climax with the Cuban Missile crisis in 1962. In the USA, it was a gift for Christian evangelists whose warnings that the 'end of the world is nigh' and that you better be prepared to welcome back Jesus, chimed with a population that has been famously religious since the Pilgrims arrived in the 17th century,and was also a stark contrast to the cruel, atheist enemy, Communism and the USSR.

In Japan, the reaction can be to some extent read in the pacifist political culture that was developed after 1945 -one that still persists to this day, though it has come under strain-, and is to a degree compatible with Buddhism anyway, and the original version of the film Godzilla (I linked an article to this last year in the movies thread).

So you see, there are rational reasons to explain why Thor was only in the USA and did not bother to bring his cure for cancer to little England and lay it on the desk of pioneering cancer specialist Richard Doll -perhaps this fantastically intelligent white guy from Venus had never heard of Oxford University, or maybe it was because Doll was a scientist and not a preacher.
Lastly, if people were unable to make money from this garbage, it would not exist. George Adamski used to throw metal lids into the air and then photo them, describing them as UFOs; he made a lot of money selling books that were garbage from beginning to end. Omnec Onec the 400-year old Venusian, today makes money and travels the world to present her wonderful secrets, none of which contain the two words Sheila Gibson.

As for the Annunaki rubbish, the theory and its inventor, Zecharia Sitchin are rumbled here:
Zecharia Sitchin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zecharia_Sitchin)

Enjoy your weekend!

[trish]

Tsk! If you would spend LESS time aimlessly blabbing away, and challenging to me to back up every thing i write, and posting erred calculations, and apologies for the errors, to only impress (or confuse) people who really can't give a hoot about that stuff, you'd be listening to Mr. Sitchin's lectures and learning about ALL the comments and doubts you've expressed about Nibiru etc etc.

What...now you're going to start asking me for the PROOF behind Mr. Sitchin's studies and teachings? I am not him.
...
(the underscores are mine)

I'm only asking if Nibiru had its own star and if it did why can't we see it now? In the time it took you to berate me for being too challenging in my response you could've answered the question. You could've even worked through the math and learned something. You could've caught the error yourself and then discovered for yourself that Nibiru's star, if it had one, is now less than a light-year away. Then you could've asked yourself, "Why can't we see it?" Nibiru too should be less than a light year off. Do you think we might be able to find it? You're always seeking knowledge, right?

These are legitimate questions...provided you take take the Sacred YouTubes literally? Perhaps we're applying the wrong hermeneutic here. Perhaps the Sacred YouTubes are to be understood only as spiritual metaphor. Whaddya think?

I didn't ask you for proof. I'm not now. Though if you want, you can offer a refutation of my proof that Nibiru and its star can't be much further than a light-year away. Or as a knowledge-seeker, you could say you just don't give a hoot.

Whaddya think?
DISCUSS.

[dreamon]

It would be statistically irresponsible to assume extraterrestrial life does not exist. The likelihood is too high. As far as them visiting the Earth, who knows.

[broncofan]

So you see, there are rational reasons to explain why Thor was only in the USA and did not bother to bring his cure for cancer to little England and lay it on the desk of pioneering cancer specialist Richard Doll -perhaps this fantastically intelligent white guy from Venus had never heard of Oxford University, or maybe it was because Doll was a scientist and not a preacher.

Maybe he'd heard of Oxford University and wasn't that impressed:wink:

[trish]

I’m sorry, but I’m just so confused. You tell me a whole solar system passed through what was to be our solar system. It swept through once, and was apparently going slow enough to be pulled back and passed through again.


What i have read is that when Nibiru's solar system passed though what was to become our solar system, one of Nibiru's moons collided with Tiamat and caused it to split into two. Then, miilleniums later, when the Nibiru solar system, again, passed through our solar system, Nibiru struck the two pieces and that created the Earth, the asteroid belt and the comets we see.
Or maybe all of that happened even during the SAME Nibiru passing, i wasn't there taking notes.

Okay. You weren’t there taking notes, so maybe there was only one pass. Nevertheless, another star passing right through our solar system is not an unimportant event. One single planet might tweak the orbits of a few other planets if it came within their gravitational influence...but every planet would be within the influence of second, passing star. Wow-an stellar interloper would be incredible! Since stellar distances are so vast and the momentum of the interloping system was slow enough to allow for the gravitational interactions you describe, one would expect the star would still be shining brightly in our neighborhood today... with Nibiru still in tow.

Lo, when I watched the Sacred YouTubes I found no mention of another solar system passing through ours. They do mention a planet Nibiru which is part of our solar system which follows an elongated orbit (which appears in the Sacred YouTubes to be roughly in the plane of ecliptic). They show that Nibiru got so close to the planet Tiamat that one its moons collided with Tiamat and tore into two pieces etc. etc. Lucky for us the Anunnaki were there to see it all, and they did take notes.

So what am I to believe? One pass or two passes? Just a planet or a whole solar system? I didn’t say any of this didn’t happen (yet). Whatever happened definitely happened, I can’t deny that. But now we have two different versions. On one hand a planet, or the other a whole solar system. It’s so confusing? But clearly, whatever happened happened. Right?

Okay, I forgive you. You obviously made a mistake. When you were writing the post you remembered solar system, but clearly you misremembered. The Sacred YouTubes say it was just a planet. No harm done. The difference between a rogue planet and rouge solar system is a minor variation when it comes to good fiction. What I can’t forgive is you suggesting we watch all this bad fiction.

You know the universe is a stupendously wonderful place. Big bangs, black holes blowing bubbles in interstellar gas, wormholes, stellar nurseries, the chemistry life. You don’t have to make up shit to entertain yourself or worse yet read other people’s bad made up shit. You can apply yourself to learning something real. Take a mooc, they’re practically free. Interested in the origins of life and extraterrestrial life? Try reading Into the Cool by Eric Schneider and Dorian Sagan.
Or if fiction is your bag, read some good fiction. Want something really out there, try The Bone Clocks by David Mitchell (just don’t mistake it non-fiction).

I agree (in part) with dreamon. There’s a good statistical argument to made for the existence of extraterrestrial life. I even think it can be wholly different from what one might expect. Any place where there is a very long-lived energy flux might be a place to search for life in one form or another. Reproducing currents in the interior of a star, or the accretion disc of a black hole. There may be extraterrestrial life in the solar system. I’m hoping for microscopic lifeforms under the ice of Titan, maybe on Mars. It may be the case, but I currently see no evidence for it, that life originally drifted from elsewhere and seeded Earth. It’s called interplanetary panspermia. I’m less optimistic about deliberate extraterrestrial visitations to Earth, quite a bit less optimistic.

This is my last post today. Going out tonight. Catch you all later.

[fred41]

It would be statistically irresponsible to assume extraterrestrial life does not exist. The likelihood is too high. As far as them visiting the Earth, who knows.

Well, I believe while the probability is high that there is life somewhere out 'there'...I also believe the probability that there is intelligent life advanced enough to communicate with us (assuming also that they were able to survive their technological evolution) is much, much smaller.
Still...much, much smaller is still a lot.
Don't know if the Drake Equation still applies in schools, but here is Carl Sagan on it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlikCebQSlY

Here's an interesting article on the Fermi Paradox (if other intelligent life exists, why hasn't it contacted us yet?)...no spoilers, I haven't finished reading it yet...lol

http://waitbutwhy.com/2014/05/fermi-paradox.html


...anyway - there could be a lot; there could be some; and yes,...it could just very well be us....

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

See how unpleasant it feels when someone is not very nice? I don't like being like that.


Hi Trish,

I see no point in me regurgitating other peoples' research findings and trying to paraphrase it all for the sake of a discussion. You've seen i can write long posts that use my words, beliefs, ideas and so forth.
But to ask me to "discuss" these scientific findings as if i am the person who has all of this knowledge in my head like my phone number, is a big request.

I prefer to post the links i've found and if anyone is interested enough in knowing more, they can investigate for themselves. I can't explain it all. However, i think i can point people in the right direction.
I am afraid of making an error in the story and appear to be either misleading folks or causing them to waste their time which would be a "waste of time" caused by me.

To answer your question, some of your questions, though, i will try to do my best with my limited ability.

There is a "mini" solar system having a 3600 year, elliptical orbit around our sun.
It has existed for ages of time. It has passed through our solar system where we are now - before the Earth was formed - many times in the past ages. It does not always wreak havoc, as it all depends on how our planets are positioned when the mini solar system passes through ours.
That 3600 year elliptical orbit goes (i think) in the opposite direction as the planets do in our solar system.
In the mini solar system, there are several planets (maybe 5 or 7, i forget), and moons, all orbiting around it's OWN dwarf, dark star (a sister-star to our own Sun).
One of those planets is called, Nibiru, and is a large planet said to be like 7 times the size of Earth. I think the largest planet in the mini solar system is named, Nemesis, and is really huge compared to Nibiru.

Before Earth was formed, all the same planets as today were in our solar system, except Earth, which was, in fact, another planet called, Ti Amat, and was full of water.
During a passing of the mini solar system through OUR solar system, the moons of Nibiru, and perhaps, also, of the other planets in the mini solar system, collided with Ti Amat and split Ti Amat into two halves.
The mini solar system went back into space along it's own elliptical orbit for another 3600 years.
Now, trish, i am not sure if the two broken halves of Ti Amat were left orbiting in our solar system until the mini system came back again (after 3600 years) or if Nibiru, itself, collided with the two Ti Amat halves during the same pass through our solar system when the moons split Ti Amat into two halves - "I was not there taking notes."

However, when Nibiru DID finally collide with Ti Amat's two halves, during a passing through our solar system (and i do not know during which passing this happened), one half was forced into an orbit which became Earth, while the other half was smashed up into much smaller bits and "scattered" and became the asteroid belt and comets (remember, it's mostly water and Earth has lots of water and comets are like rocks mixed with water - muddy snow balls) and the asteroid belt is comprised of like, "stationary" rocks of ice (or whatever).
Now, since then, the mini solar system passed by many times but did not always cause damage.
In the Bible, it mentions in Genesis about the firmament (above and below), separating the "waters above" (asteroid belt) the earth from the water below (Earth's oceans).

The Bible tells the plagiarized story of this event as "In the beginning...blah blah blah...."
THAT, was all written by MEN much later, when, someone got the idea to control mankind by using ancient Sumerian scrolls or tablets and create a dogma - maybe it was Satan as that is his duty - to trick and deceive - but i'll digress from that topic.

Now, on Nibiru, lives the race of aliens called the Anunnaki (Hebrew) Anakim or the Biblical Elohim our true God(s)) who are aliens, and who created human kind by genetic modification of primitive man, at that time to work as a slave race in search of gold to save Nibiru's deteriorating atmosphere (long story).

Some of these Anunnaki were left on the Earth, as the mini solar system went back out into space, and they became known as the Watchers (Biblical Angels) who later "came in to the daughters of men (gold mining slaves)" when mankind were able to reproduce after successive attempts of gene modification.

That is why i am so anti-religion but i DO believe in a God (or race of Gods) which is why the Old Testament seems to have a nice God, and an evil, jealous, punishing nasty God.

Mr Sitchin really explains it all much more eloquently than i do.

Jewish, Muslim, Christian, and all the rest are man made religions or philosophies.
To worship any of them is a sin in the eyes of the one true God or race of Gods who gave our ONE human-race, life (i'll digress from that, also).
I think i've read somewhere that the Anunnaki have different races amongst them ie; Black (Negro); White; Red; Yellow, Black/Brown East Indian.
However, this is a thread which should be discussing whether or not we believe aliens visit our planet Earth, not where man stems from, BUT it's all related to Nibiru - where "God" allegedly lives.
For many years, Nibiru's dust cloud has been seen and written about by ancient people, who saw it coming towards Earth, as if it looks like a cross in the sky, which would explain THAT religious symbolism and it's origins.
I am really kind of baffled by Jesus, but in John 1:1 it says, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
In the New Testament, Jesus is referred to as, the Word.
And, right in the first sentence of the Torah, God is mentioned.
It could be reasonably argued that Jesus is God. And that Jesus was an alien if He is the Son of God, AND how God or the Elohim (aliens) is/are the God(s) who genetically modified primitive man to be us as slaves.
Now, these days, we're are all slaves to differing dogmas which create wars and hatred amongst God's children.
So complicated, yet, so related/connected to the Anunnaki race.
That's why i'd rather prefer to post links about Nibiru. BUT you wanted ME to explain some things and i did, so there - Pbbbb!. As always, i say too much.

I know i went waaaaay off topic from the topic discussion of this thread but Eleh Ha-chaim.

Anyway...
The first link is right up your alley. I HOPE you view it, as well as, all the other links i have provided and will provide.
Nibiru 101, trish. This video should answer many of your burning questions only IF you watch it. Grab a cup of mud and sit back for about an hour. This guy is your kind of people - smart.
I'm not smart like that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUHjf7ivmIM

This link shows an interesting image of Nibiru's mini solar system as it is either arriving at or departing from our solar system. Have a look at that. It will give you an idea of how it looks.
http://www.biblesearchers.com/prophecy/planetx/losttribes1.shtml





I'm only asking if Nibiru had its own star and if it did why can't we see it now?...

...I didn't ask you for proof. I'm not now...
The following links are home videos which normal, everyday (but informed) people have recorded at either sunrise or sunset from various parts of the world. They all show, i think it's, Nemesis as a SECOND Sun alongside our SUN. Check it out!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVsiTI3g0Ts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmAo5Hfe1ug

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ctb3mLhk3M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tfTLVtnCi8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHBvubuWjFg
There are tons of these videos readily available online.
AND yes, there are some fakes out there on the net which show videos filmed through double windows which results with a 'reflection', and they think that is the second sun lol.
I have carefully selected these links for you, WATCH them, all, please, my blackberry sweety-pie.





Though if you want, you can offer a refutation of my proof that Nibiru and its star can't be much further than a light-year away.
Oufff! Trish, you are so flattering when treating me as someone who is almost one-quarter-as-educated-as you.
I'll strongly suggest you watch the first video i've presented in THIS post in which the velocity of the Nibiru solar system is discussed in speed/per second, and you can probably figure it all out with a few calculations when it will arrive. That way you'll know when to start making your OWN hat made of lead.
Maybe Uncle Leo can do the same, as i strongly sense he could calculate well.
I don't have that many fingers and toes with which to calculate figures like that.

I am no scientist trish! I am just a uneducated, hungry mind. I would like for you to let me know how long it will take to arrive so i can make my lead hat and try to dig a hole deep enough to hide in so the HORRENDOUS effects of this system coming at us won't affect me ('good luck with that' i tell myself).

What is coming is what had caused the extinction of the dinosaurs, covered Altantis, AND also caused the Biblical deluge For more on THAT opinion, you will have to study Mr.Sitchen's theories. AND I DON'T care what Stavros' wikipedia article says about Mr. Sitchen, as wikipedia is very biased concerning "certain topics" that clearly go 'against the grain' of the common societal beliefs.

The passing of Nibiru was responsible for every myth humans refer to as ancient myths where destruction and certain extinctions occurred.
Our civilization will, no doubt, become a myth for future humanoid generations to ponder if the passing wipes us out, too.
Go ahead and laugh, with your engineering book on your lap. Laugh yourself silly, girl. I'd love to watch/see you laughing. Watching people laugh is a such a beautiful thing in life to behold.
As crying is the most heart wrenching thing to behold. Which is why i can't drink alcohol, because... all i do is cry when i get drunk...well, i mean...after the party has ended and i find myself alone - not good.

MOOC sounds cool but i might find myself arguing with the profs, too much.



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[Laphroaig]

Maybe he'd heard of Oxford University and wasn't that impressed:wink:

Quite right "Oxford is a complete dump"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKuHYO9TM5A

[Laphroaig]

Dahlia, I've had a quick look but can't find any evidence of exactly how Mr Stichin is qualified to make those "scientific assertions". In fact, calling them such is an insult to the scientific community in general (of which I am part and have been for over 20 years, with the qualifications to prove it).

ps. I don't mind you spelling my name wrong or even that you spelt whiskey wrongly (in Scotland, where we invented it, it's whisky, no e) but if you are going to quote someone and post his videos as "proof", at least get his name right.

[Laphroaig]

edit: Mr Sitchin....oops :) (apologies)

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

High Laphroaig and everbody,

U R such a nice Scotchman. I tink Scotch peeple frum Scotchland ar reely kool - well, sumtymes.

We shud get 2-gether won dey so eye kan feel up ur qilt an du sum funknee tings 2 ur weener.

We kan evin pley skrapble if u wood like dat.
Its okay if u yuse a dickshunary.
Howeber, u myght B mor conserned bi calling mi Dalhia wen eye introdused myselv as Babe.

Eye have bin called, Babe, fer ober ten yeers.
Eye no sum peeple like 2 tri 2 make me feel less dan a "babe", by calling me Dahlia, butt still, Babe, is my ofishal eskort name.


Babe

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

High Laphroaig and everbody,

U R such a nice Scotchman. I tink Scotch peeple frum Scotchland ar reely kool - well, sumtymes.

We shud get 2-gether won dey so eye kan feel up ur qilt an du sum funknee tings 2 ur weener.

We kan evin pley skrapble if u wood like dat.
Its okay if u yuse a dickshunary.
Howeber, u myght B mor conserned bi calling mi Dalhia wen eye introdused myselv as Babe.


I am, Babe, by the way.


Eye have bin called, Babe, fer ober ten yeers.
Eye no sum peeple like 2 tri 2 make me feel less dan a "babe", by calling me Dahlia, butt still, Babe, is my ofishal eskort name.


Babe

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

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Hi Fred,
You, know?...just the day before yesterday, i was thinking of you and was "sending" you a telepathic message, saying how i wished you would start posting, again, in my threads - BUT only IF you were less mean and sarcastic. I miss the nice fred.
It's funny that you posted.

[Laphroaig]

Babe, I will happily call you whatever you want as long as you realise that in the UK, babe isn't a name it's simply a term of affection similar to darling, love, honey, etc and we aren't that close sweety :kiss:

My psychic abilities must be increasing as I made a prediction to myself that you would use my little typo error to deflect attention from my question. What qualifies Mr Sitchin to make his "scientific research"?

Let me put it this way, you wouldn't let an unqualified electrician rewire your house so why would you allow an unqualified "scientist" to reveal the mysteries of the universe?

[trish]

...There is a "mini" solar system having a 3600 year, elliptical orbit around our sun.
It has existed for ages of time. It has passed through our solar system where we are now - before the Earth was formed - many times in the past ages. It does not always wreak havoc, as it all depends on how our planets are positioned when the mini solar system passes through ours.
That 3600 year elliptical orbit goes (i think) in the opposite direction as the planets do in our solar system.
In the mini solar system, there are several planets (maybe 5 or 7, i forget), and moons, all orbiting around it's OWN dwarf, dark star (a sister-star to our own Sun).
One of those planets is called, Nibiru, and is a large planet said to be like 7 times the size of Earth. I think the largest planet in the mini solar system is named, Nemesis, and is really huge compared to Nibiru.
This link shows an interesting image of Nibiru's mini solar system as it is either arriving at or departing from our solar system. Have a look at that. It will give you an idea of how it looks.
http://www.biblesearchers.com/prophecy/planetx/losttribes1.shtml

The following links are home videos which normal, everyday (but informed) people have recorded at either sunrise or sunset from various parts of the world. They all show, i think it's, Nemesis as a SECOND Sun alongside our SUN. Check it out!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVsiTI3g0Ts


Thank you Babe. That’s very helpful. Dwarf, dark stars have a limited mass range. If they’re lighter than the mass of about 13 Jupiters than they aren’t stars at all (i.e. they don’t sustain any sort of fusion). The artist’s conception in your “prophecy” link above definitely shows a dim but nevertheless glowing star. Anything bigger than 80 Jupiter masses will be a full fledged star. Midrange dwarves have the mass of about 46.5 Jupiters. That’s about 9x10^28 kilograms. Just for comparison the Sun is about 2x10^30 kilograms. This means the dwarf star is gravitationally much more important than Nibiru and Nemesis combined. It's the star that gravitationally binds them and in turn gravitationally binds the “mini-system” to our Sun.

It’s rather fortunate we “know” the orbital period of this system is 3600 years. There is a very old law that goes by the name of Kepler’s third law ( http://www.astro.umass.edu/~weinberg/a114/handouts/concept1.pdf ) which precisely relates the mass of a body in an elliptical orbit to its period and semi-major axis (farthest distance to a focus). According to this relation (I linked the formula so you can check the math on your own...it’s not fancy stuff...just plugging into the formula and having the patience to do the arithmetic...I used a calculator) the semi-major axis of the dark star’s orbit around the Sun is about 83 au. (Here I’m using the mass of an average dwarf.) That’s 83 astronomical units. An astronomical unit is the average distance between the Earth and the Sun (about 93 million miles). For comparison Jupiter’s semi-major axis is 5.3 au. So at it’s farthest, Nibiru and its dark star are pretty far away. Further than the Kuiper Belt (which extends from 30 au to about 50 au) but not nearly as far out as the Oort cloud (which extends from 5000 au to 100000 au).

Dark stars do indeed glow. If the one in question (the companion of Nibiru and Nemesis) were lighter than average it would glow less. But the Kepler relation would put it closer to us and make it easier to detect. If it were heavier than average its would glow more and make it easier to detect. So I’m sticking with the average case. A glowing dark star weighing in at 46.5 Jupiter masses, 83 au away wouldn’t be an obvious object in the sky. But given the sky surveys that now exist in the 21st century it’s difficult to think astronomers have been missing it all these years. If it’s there we would have found it. Funny no reputable astronomers have laid claim to the discovery of a dark star in our very own solar system. They must be under government threat. Maybe under threat from the Vatican’s Swiss Guard.

Lucky for us, you’ve found pictures of it. On the internet! It’s a huge disc in sky. Yikes! Obviously much closer than 83 astronomical units away. If a dark star were that close to the Sun we’d already be seeing evidence of its gravitational havoc on the orbits of all the known planets. Rest assured, that’s neither Nibiru, Nemesis nor their companion dark star.

[trish]

Here's an interesting article on the Fermi Paradox (if other intelligent life exists, why hasn't it contacted us yet?)...no spoilers, I haven't finished reading it yet...lol

http://waitbutwhy.com/2014/05/fermi-paradox.html


...anyway - there could be a lot; there could be some; and yes,...it could just very well be us....
Nice article. Thanks Fred.

[broncofan]

That was a good article posted by Fred. And I understand what the author is doing by making seemingly safe assumptions and then extrapolating from them to estimate the probability of there being intelligent life in the universe. The one assumption I don't think is safe though is that 1% of planets that have life will develop intelligent species.

It's difficult to say what the statistic should be since we only have a sample size of one to observe. Yet of the millions of species on this planet, only one developed significant ability to think in abstract terms and completely re-organize their own environment.

I've heard some biologists argue that even though natural selection is a random process it favors complexity. Different organisms undergo an arms race where predators develop sophisticated means of capturing prey and prey develop sophisticated means of thwarting predators. And so on for other environmental challenges.

But I fail to see how the ability to reason in abstract terms could be helpful until you have enough insulation from environmental hazards to allow significant planning. And it would only seem to be useful for survival if other more obvious means of surviving (in order to procreate) were not available. What would be more useful in avoiding getting eaten by a lion? A toxic poison that you shoot from your fingertips or intelligence. What would help you avoid them better? Extremely acute sensory perception or better processing ability? I would say more acute sensory faculties. I think intelligence is only useful once you develop the margin of error that civilization affords you. We use our critical faculties by recognizing patterns and learning from mistakes. Yet the rewards of possessing intelligence as we understand it only accrue once you reach a critical mass of technological development I think. Anyhow, I am just guessing that it was far from a foregone conclusion that this planet would develop intelligent species and maybe significantly less than 1%.

[broncofan]

And the use of the phrase random process for natural selection should be elaborated on. Selective pressures determine the changes in gene frequencies across generations. That's random but it moves in the direction of better defenses, better survival mechanisms, and thereby increased opportunity to procreate. I just think intelligence is very far down the list of important tools...that is until it's already evolved in other species or your own species.

[trish]

I came across this recently

http://nyti.ms/1Cl47bb

which suggests one aspect of the “filter” could be a global warming bottleneck. Other riffs on this theme have been popular in science fiction. I remember an old Star Trek (William Shatner old) in which it was suggest nuclear arms races were a similar sort of bottleneck that tested the meddle of young technological civilizations, determining whether they were or were not fit to survive. Any civilization that tried to help would be going against the Prime Directive.

I’m inclined to agree with bronco that the odds for intelligent life developing even given life has already developed on a given planet are pretty low. But I wouldn’t want to hazard a number.

On the other hand, I do think that intelligence (of various types) has survival value. We find all sorts of animals using tools, implementing hunting strategies and avoidance strategies, making shelters etc. Some of these behaviors may be hardwired, but it’s not clear to me that all of them are. Perhaps there are aspect of hunting strategies that are learned. Do backs of dogs, for example, pass on their hunting strategies or are they pure instinct?

I speculate there is a complexity threshold life has to cross before it can become ‘truly intelligent’––similar to (if not exactly the same as) the threshold a computing machine must cross before it may be regarded as the equivalent to a universal Turing machine. Once over that threshold, anything is possible––the only impediments are memory and speed.

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

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Hi trish (and the other two),

I am still trying to figure out what you meant when you wrote, "I forgive you."
Forgive me for what?





...Funny no reputable astronomers have laid claim to the discovery of a dark star in our very own solar system...
Maybe it is, not yet, in our solar system?
What do you think of Dr. Harrington's comments?

Watch the whole thing because there is more text on the screen after the part where it states, "Nibiru does not exist" or something to that effect.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpHU36uJnMc#t=63
Dr ROBERT HARRINGTON CONFIRMING.... PLANET-X (7X)


Robert Sutton Harrington - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Sutton_Harrington)
"Harrington became a believer in the existence of a Planet X beyond Pluto and undertook searches for it, with positive results coming from the IRAD probe in 1983. Harrington collaborated initially with T. C. (Tom) Van Flandern.[1] They were both "courted" by Zecharia Sitchin and his followers who believe in a planet Nibiru or Marduk, who cite the research of Harrington and van Flandern as possible collaborating evidence, though no definitive proof of a 9th planet has surfaced to date."



http://ad.usno.navy.mil/wds/history/harrington.html
"Robert (Bob) Harrington died on Jan. 23, 1993 after a short, but determined, battle against esophageal cancer."
Hmm, Joan Rivers "syndrome"? Or perhaps Rivers suffered from "Harrington's syndrome"? Very little is said about what happened to him.
My conspiracy theory senses are tingling again. Sorry.







...They must be under government threat. Maybe under threat from the Vatican’s Swiss Guard.
The Swiss Guard is the government threat? My gosh! After seeing that, i am pretty sure that's a tongue-in-cheek comment.
Swiss Guard, indeed!
Oh trisk!...(that's my cute way of saying tsk and trish, at the same time.


Instead of the Holy poop's personal body guards, i would venture to propose that these people...Air Force Space Command - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Force_Space_Command)
...are the ones keeping a lid on this Nibiru topic and stifling any qualified personal who might be willing to admit it (or have admitted to it).
They do control NASA, after all.





...Lucky for us, you’ve found pictures of it. On the internet! It’s a huge disc in sky....
What would you suggest those "twin Suns" might be?
So many people are filming them at sunrise and sunset.
In some videos, we can actually see the planets of the mini solar system following each other, like a cluster, just before our Sun rises and then blocks the mini solar system from view.


Did you view all the videos?

Did you view the very first link lasting one hour, called PlanetX 101?

I'll admit the large "twin suns" almost side by side in some of the videos seem pretty close, and yet, at the same time, we aren't seeing any real destruction happening one Earth.
I really hope you are not being tongue-in-cheek with me. Lol, it kind of appears like it, a bit. Especially, after you've referred to the "Sacred youtube" so many times, indicating to me that you, perhaps, doubt most of it.
Oh trisk! I feel like you are humoring me. I hope not. That would be like being "politely not taking me seriously".
I don't want to firmly suggest you are, if you are not, but those choice of words play on my mind, a bit.




...If a dark star were that close to the Sun we’d already be seeing evidence of its gravitational havoc on the orbits of all the known planets.
Do we know for certain that "NASA" would inform us of planets being displaced at all?
Could it be already affecting the Earth's...uhm...what's the word i want...uhm...maybe "situation" fits into my sentence? "Earth's situation".

I've been hearing lots of talk about volcanoes erupting all over the place. Also, reports of the tectonic plates shifting around lately, and the talk of slight pole shifts (already), and these tsunamis that have been happening more and more frequently.
Nibiru whistle blowers are telling us that the powers in charge won't tell us anything until Nibiru is right on tip of us (meaning at the very last minute) to reduce any global panics.

Did you watch the video i posted about the whistle blower revealing the D.U.M.B.s and all the food they are growing down there and storing down there?
And all the F.E.M.A. camp comments in the same video, and, and, and, etc, etc?
Can just ANYONE obtain those photos of the D.U.M.B.s? I know i did, but i'm looking for them.
We don't see this on the television news or hear about ANY OF IT it all being discussed on news/talk radio stations.
Even you three don't talk about it in this thread a whole lot. You're kind of like "tap dancing" while wearing cabaret hats and while holding canes the dancers use in their dance Schtick.

Did you listen to the Phil Schneider videos i had posted?

Did you look at the link below the last last Schneider video, in which the government reporter, i think it was, wrote all about Schneider's life and claims? It's pretty amazing stuff.



Fred's video is interesting, yes, if you like seeing a guy do advanced math calculations on camera and trying to, theoretically, say if aliens exist based on the results of his calculations.

What about what the astronauts say?

What about what Dr Edgar Mitchell's lecture where he stated that the old timer astronauts confided in him about the alien crafts which they saw while in space?
They were up there, in space. They should know whether they saw aliens crafts or not. No?
He even mentions the two alien bases that were located on the moon when the first Apollo mission landed up there? All a lie? Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin lied?
Those are American heroes astronaut telling us what other astronauts told Dr Mitchell about what they saw up there.
Those are American heroes - blowing the whistle for our sake.
Can't you hear the bells and whistles sounding?
Maybe they all just lied to each other?
Why?

Why not mention the U.F.O DISCLOSURE PROJECT video and discuss all the official admissions from those top ranking people who are all in-the-know and who have all admitted that aliens do exist?


I watched another old video, recently, that was dug up, where the whistle blower talks about several, 7-foot-tall, grey aliens sitting in a U.N. conference auditorium and THEY were dictating THEIR demands and policies to the U.N. officials!


Who ARE you three people, anyway, trish, bronco, and fred, to not even mention all of these admissions? yest here you are in one of the biggest forums on the net, confusing every one with high tech jibber jabber that no one really understands.

Why doesn't Lap the Scot join in with you three and start talking all über sophisticated?
He's admitted he's been in the science field for the passed twenty years!
As what, Lap?...showing 13-year-olds how to dissect frogs?...explaining atoms, protons and electrons?...explaining magnets and making clay volcano structures with vinegar and baking soda inside a test tube which is burrowed into the cavity of the clay volcano to explain how a volacano errupts??



Now, i see William Shatner and Star Trek being mentioned?!!
Whaaaaat?
You three Musketeers seem to know so much and say so much, but at the same time, seem to how to "kind of" say so little about the topic...kinda.
What the heck is going on here??
What the heck are you three talking about, anyway?
What the frack is this? lol
Who in God's name are you three?














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[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

Dear mod,

Aww, shucks!
I almost got it! right! I need more time.

I need to correct that.It was so difficult and i almost made it lol.
I can't do this spacing correctly in a text editor.

Babe,
xoxo

[plankton]

Yes.

[rodinuk]

Try writing concise posts instead - less is more ;)


Dear mod,

Aww, shucks!
I almost got it! right! I need more time.

I need to correct that.It was so difficult and i almost made it lol.
I can't do this spacing correctly in a text editor.

Babe,
xoxo

[Stavros]

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What about what the astronauts say?

What about what Dr Edgar Mitchell's lecture where he stated that the old timer astronauts confided in him about the alien crafts which they saw while in space?
They were up there, in space. They should know whether they saw aliens crafts or not. No?
He even mentions the two alien bases that were located on the moon when the first Apollo mission landed up there? All a lie? Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin lied?
Those are American heroes astronaut telling us what other astronauts told Dr Mitchell about what they saw up there.
Those are American heroes - blowing the whistle for our sake.
Can't you hear the bells and whistles sounding?
Maybe they all just lied to each other?
Why?

Are there/were there alien bases on the Moon? No. The myth is debunked here:
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/debunked-alien-base-on-the-moon-triangle-of-dots-photo-artifact.2965/

Did Armstrong and Aldrin ever say they saw alien spacecraft or anything resembling alien life on their mission? No. The myth, using transcripts real and imagined is explained here:
http://ronrecord.com/astronauts/armstrong-collins-aldrin.html

It is curious that the same tool used to concoct fairy tales about aliens -the world-wide web- provides rational explanations for them.

[trish]

[CENTER]
What the heck are you three talking about, anyway?

The Drake Equation and the Fermi Paradox.
Did you read https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlikCebQSlY ?

Did you read http://waitbutwhy.com/2014/05/fermi-paradox.html ?

Did you read http://nyti.ms/1Cl47bb ?

Have you started Into the Cool yet, by Schneider and Sagan?

Another good book for the layman is Celestial Mechanics: The Waltz of the Planets by Alessandra Celletti and Ettore Perozzi. Alessanrdra is a positively brilliant mathematical physicist at the University of Rome Tor Vergata. Her book is brims with intelligence and enthusiasm. It begins with Lucretius and covers the classics Brahe, Kepler, Galileo, Newton, Lagrange, Laplace, perturbation theory and the discovery of Neptune. But it also gives us a look at modern KAM theory, chaos, the theory of orbital resonance, resonance in rings, shepherd moons and even collisions between asteroids and planets.

[Laphroaig]

Babe

I don't know which text editor you're using but try open office (link below). Almost all the functionality of Microsofts famous product but open source and completely free.

https://www.openoffice.org/

[trish]

What would you suggest those "twin Suns" might be? Below are a number of mirages. You can obtain a ton of them by just Googling “double Sun mirage” and selecting “images.”

The first user three layers of sugar solutions (of differing concentration) in a glass. The light reflected from the cat is refracted through the different layers at different angles so that when they reach the eye we see three upright images of the cat and three inverted images.

The other photos show mirages of the sunset caused by atmospheric layers of varying temperature and density and turbulence. The Sun warms the Earth and it warms the air adjacent to its surface. This warm air rises and cooler denser air sinks. This is one source of turbulence. On a calm day, an equilibrium can sustained that creates refractive layers. The same optical principle that creates the cat mirage is responsible for the multiple images of the Sun in these photos.

If you don’t like that explanation, you don’t need to invoke the existence of a second Sun, a dark dwarf, Nibiru or Nemesis. You could go with this guy’s explanation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pbv8c09u08I . He believes the Earth is encased in a glass ball. Literally! Not quite as nutty as you Babe, but he makes up for it by being a bit scary.

[Laphroaig]

[CENTER]


What the heck is going on here??
What the heck are you three talking about, anyway?
What the frack is this? lol
Who in God's name are you three? [/FONT][/SIZE]



[quote=Dahlia Babe Airhead who finds herself really, really, really confused]

Haven't you realised yet? It's all one big conspiracy... ;)

Actually, what they are discussing is no more complicated than the theories that you are proposing. Just more realistic...

[fred41]

Another good book for the layman is Celestial Mechanics: The Waltz of the Planets by Alessandra Celletti and Ettore Perozzi. Alessanrdra is a positively brilliant mathematical physicist at the University of Rome Tor Vergata. Her book is brims with intelligence and enthusiasm. It begins with Lucretius and covers the classics Brahe, Kepler, Galileo, Newton, Lagrange, Laplace, perturbation theory and the discovery of Neptune. But it also gives us a look at modern KAM theory, chaos, the theory of orbital resonance, resonance in rings, shepherd moons and even collisions between asteroids and planets.

Thanks Trish...downloaded the free sample from Amazon and got sucked in enough to buy it. Like the style it's written in and, erratic attention span aside, I think I'll make it through...lol.

[fred41]

Let me put it this way, you wouldn't let an unqualified electrician rewire your house so why would you allow an unqualified "scientist" to reveal the mysteries of the universe?

lol...or visit a faith healer instead of a qualified surgeon when your appendix is about to burst ( well, I wouldn't...I'm still addicted to living, thank you very much.)

[trish]

Thanks Trish...downloaded the free sample from Amazon and got sucked in enough to buy it. Like the style it's written in and, erratic attention span aside, I think I'll make it through...lol.I never expected to actually sell that book here on HA :) It is a good one though. I read it a few years ago. I remember a fortnight or so sneaking out of my office for a half hour and sitting outside with a copy on my iPad. It must've been late Spring. Hope you like it.

[trish]

On a totally unrelated note, check out this amazing YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnbJEg9r1o8

Not entirely unrelated: it doesn't explain the double sun mirage, but it does connect optics and fluid motions in way that -to me-show the real world is much more amazing than any you can make up.

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

Hi trish,



On a totally unrelated note, check out this amazing YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnbJEg9r1o8

Not entirely unrelated: it doesn't explain the double sun mirage, but it does connect optics and fluid motions in way that -to me-show the real world is much more amazing than any you can make up.

Cool video.

Here is one, also off topic, involving water.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usZ8MQzbglk

Babe,
xoxo

[Laphroaig]

Totally agree with you Trish (and your earlier comments). This world, never mind the universe, is so full of incredible (real) phenomena that there is absolutely no need to make up alien conspiracies and other crap to make life more interesting. Anyone who bothers to keep up with the scientific developments will realise that incredible discoveries are being made on a daily basis and many are far more fascinating and have more real word implications than any ridiculous conspiracy theory.

Babe, I suggest you take out a subscription to Nature or Science magazine and really learn something useful.

Edit: as you posted at the same time as me, on the subject of water, these have always amused me.

http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html

https://www.math.psu.edu/tseng/H2Ojoke.html

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8eRzOYhLuw

Ciao ragazzi,

Now, a musical "interlube" for all you boys. Just to keep you interested.

Look at this little Italian alien!
Voglio questa ragazza.
Mama mia!


http://www.animationplayhouse.com/barani1-10.gif

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8eRzOYhLuw
" Break Free "
(feat. Zedd)

If you want it, take it
I should've said it before
Tried to hide it, fake it
I can't pretend anymore

I only wanna die alive
Never by the hands of a broken heart
Don't wanna hear you lie tonight
Now that I've become who I really am

This is the part when I say I don't want it
I'm stronger than I've been before
This is the part when I break free
'Cause I can't resist it no more

You were better, deeper
I was under your spell
Like a deadly fever, yeah, babe
On the highway to hell, yeah

I only wanna die alive
Never by the hands of a broken heart
Don't wanna hear you lie tonight
Now that I've become who I really am

This is the part when I say I don't want it
I'm stronger than I've been before
This is the part when I break free
'Cause I can't resist it no more

No more, baby, ooh

Thought on your body
I came alive
It was lethal
It was fatal
In my dreams it felt so right
But I woke up every time

Oh, baby

This is the part when I say I don't want it
I'm stronger than I've been before
This is the part when I break free
'Cause I can't resist it no more

Live vocals (She CAN sing)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_Q11QIdINQ

http://www.animationplayhouse.com/barani1-10.gif
Break Free
("Analysis" connecting it to the Illuminati)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8rSWX3yJcQ


Babe,
xoxo

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

Hi again boys,

My gosh! What's with all the alien topics in today's pop music? Hmm.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYMkuOUAg3M

"Holla At The DJ"

Fresh off the flight with my brand new shoes on
They ain't even out yet, let me introduce 'em
I do my two step, hey right in front of ya
Meet me at the door, it's kinda crazy cuz I'm popular

Holla at the DJ and tell him turn it up
Holla at the DJ and tell him turn it up

You see me turn it up
And make it supersize
We about to burn it up
Just call me firefly

So what, so what
Talk about it
You want, you want
Yeah they wanna know about it
They want, they want
They wanna see about it
They wanna stand around the club all night and think about it

Amplify the recipe
Every time you look at me
I love it when I hear the sound (oh yeah)
Turn the music up for me
DJ, are you listening
Let the beat drown us out (oh oh oh oh oh oh...)

Holla at the DJ and tell him turn it up
Holla at the DJ and tell him turn it up
Holla at the DJ and tell him turn it up
Holla at the DJ and tell him turn it up

Land in my spaceship, we didn't come to play
Take over your area, we do this everyday
Call yourself a Martian, well I'm from Jupiter
Spin around you so fast, you can never catch me up

Holla at the DJ and tell him turn it up
Holla at the DJ and tell him turn it up

Cuz I like when the beat drop
Play that record for me
Clap my hands make me dance
Rockin' on the floor

So what, so what
Talk about it
You want, you want
Yeah they wanna know about it
They want, they want
They wanna see about it
They wanna stand around the club all night and think about it

Amplify the recipe
Every time you look at me
I love it when I hear the sound (oh yeah)
Turn the music up for me
DJ, are you listening?
Let the beat drown us out (oh oh oh oh oh oh...)

Holla holla, h-holla holla, h-holla holla
Play that record for me
Holla holla, h-holla holla, h-holla holla
We rockin' on the floor
Tell the DJ turn it up

Amplify the recipe
Every time you look at me
I love it when I hear the sound (oh yeah)
Turn the music up for me
DJ, are you listening?
Let the beat drown us out (oh oh oh oh oh oh...)



Babe,
:dancing:
xoxo

[Laphroaig]

You'll never beat David Bowie

Space Oddity

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D67kmFzSh_o

Ashes to Ashes
www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMThz7eQ6K0

Life on Mars

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v--IqqusnNQ

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

Hi trish,

I've commented on fred's Sagan link. Why ask if i've seen it? Do you really read my responses or just quickly skim over them?

-------------------------------------

I, personally, can not see any connection linking thermodynamics (T.D.) to the existence of ancient alien civilizations who, by now, are many eons ahead of us (ape-men/alien hybrids) on any level of technology and intellect, nor do i see how T.D. relates to the existence of a dwarf brown-star heading our way - once again.
Perhaps, when Nibiru gets close enough to Earth, we can start discussing all about how T.D. comes into play - but by that time, it will be like those eight musicians on the Titanic who played to people who were really more concerned with panicking and saving their own lives rather than listening to enjoyable music as the ship sank - meaning, no one will sit and listen when the times comes when T.D. comes into play.
I wonder what those eight musicians were smoking when the Titanic was sinking, to be so utterly oblivious to their eventual doom. I want a puff of that stuff when Nibiru rears it's ugly face because from what i’ve been hearing, it won’t take very long for Nibiru to flip us upside down - about thirty minutes or so. The Quran even mentions how north will become south and south will become north.

------------------------------------------

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/18/opinion/sunday/is-a-climate-disaster-inevitable.html?smid=pl-share&_r=0
These are numbered, quoted excerpts from the segment of the article from your link you had posted.

1. "...The fact that nearly every pinprick of light you see in the night sky hosts a family of worlds raises a powerful but simple question: “Where is everybody?” Hundreds of billions of planets translate into a lot of chances for evolving intelligent, technologically sophisticated species. So why don’t we see evidence for E.T.s everywhere?...."
Okay, well, i think earthlings have been seeing E.T.s, and the “powers that be” are covering it all up. They are not covering anything up?..go passed the warning signs posted at Area 51.

Listen to the astronauts speak (years later) after they'd retired from service - they are talking about E.T.s and UFOs.

2. "...From a half-century of exploring our own solar system we’ve learned a lot about planets and how they work. We know that Mars was once a habitable world with water rushing across its surface. And Venus, a planet that might have been much like Earth, was instead transformed by a runaway greenhouse effect into a hellish world of 800-degree days."
Only fifty years of exploration?! That is enough time to really determine the origins of every thing in every galaxy in the cosmos. Still just guesses, i think.
How do we not know that when Nibiru passed through our "general area" before, that that was what had caused "once watery Mars" to "dry up", and Earth-like Venus to be transformed to have hellish 800 degree days?
Check out this silent animation (i had previously posted earlier) which illustrates the effects of Nibiru's passing. It's only three plus minutes.
Read the annotations at key parts of the video to see what "might" (or will) happen to us (and to Mars and Venus) and, perhaps, has probably happened several times in the passed ages when Nibiru makes its passes.
Scientists really have no idea as to what had happened before the many previous Nibiru passings before mankind came into existence. Humans only guess. We are not "all seeing". Maybe it's all wrong.
As i've said about myself, but this time, for the scientists - "They were not there taking notes when it all happened."
Watch the video this time!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3Ya6qI9kM0
Maybe the orbits of the planets in our planetary system were entirely different from what they are now. Who knows? No one was there "taking notes". Scientists speculate and then just accept it all to be factual in order to have a starting point from which to start theorizing "how it all works".

I don't believe Darwin's theory - at all. There was a too big of jump in intelligence - almost overnight we started making tools.

We, Mr. Sitchin included, do not know for sure exactly how many times Nibiru passed, how old that system really is, and what had maybe "knocked" it into it's present orbit. He can't say what each passing created, destroyed, and/or displaced during passings. Maybe it came from another galaxy somehow.
Mr. Sitchin only translates what the Sumerian tablets say. He can not say from where Nibiru came and how it came to be.
I think it's fair to say that our scientists theorize to create a starting point of a workable system.
I am not a scientist as i've mentioned - and so, i could probably be talking like a major fool right now. I am just offering my opinions.


3. "By studying these nearby planets, we’ve discovered general rules for both climate and climate change. These rules, based in physics and chemistry, must apply to any species, anywhere, taking up energy-harvesting and civilization-building in a big way...."
Only by studying of our nearby planets, and the scientists have decided on "general rules" for every unknown planet and any species?
Oh look, does this number 3 quote specify that there are alien species? Hmm!
Sound pretty cocky when we have no idea what exactly is out there.
If they have all the answers, what are they still looking for? Different answers?? Why?...the ones they had once decided upon from yesteryear(s) don't hold water? They ain't happy with what they “lurned”?

4. ...With this perspective, we also gain an essential truth. We are one form of life, on one planet, in a universe of countless planets. Through hard-won scientific gains, we’ve begun discovering the patterns and laws governing planets together with the life they host. Ten thousand years from now the Democrats and the Republicans and their squabbles over climate change will be long gone. But the laws of planets and life we’re now revealing won’t have changed. Not on this world or any other."
Is this another admission that other planets host alien life forms?
Here they say "...we've been discovering...", but, in quote number 3, they say, ”...we’ve discovered general rules for both climate and climate change. These rules, based in physics and chemistry, must apply to any species, anywhere...”
They don’t appear to sure, at least, not to my uneducated mind.

-----------------------------------

http://waitbutwhy.com/2014/05/fermi-paradox.html
"SETI (Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence) is an organization dedicated to listening for signals from other intelligent life. If we’re right that there are 100,000 or more intelligent civilizations in our galaxy, and even a fraction of them are sending out radio waves or laser beams or other modes of attempting to contact others, shouldn’t SETI’s satellite array pick up all kinds of signals?
But it hasn’t. Not one. Ever.
Where is everybody?"
Oh? And what about the WOW signal? That was “once”.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Neo_1LGVqE

At this point, you should be making the obvious assumption that i am not agreeing with the explanations of the Fermi Paradox because it states that we have never been visited by aliens - ever.
I think we have been many times for many centuries or longer.


Babe,
xoxo

[Laphroaig]

Area 51 is a military base.
Find me a military installation that doesn't have warning signs on it and I'll be impressed.

edit: If you don't believe Darwin then there REALLY is no hope for you.

[Stavros]

Britain's Roswell incient -Rendlesham Forest in 1980 re-visited in today's Telegraph.
Warning: Americans involved...why do aliens insist on visiting military bases and not, say, sewage farms or bakeries?

I like this post in the comments section:

Also as an amateur astronomer I've yet to see any strange objects in the sky, millions of professional and amateur astronomers look at the sky every night yet non one sees little green men, only people coming out of pubs or people hanging out their washing.
I wonder why?


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/film-news/11415831/Rendlesham-Forest-UFO-incident-truth-conspiracies.html

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

You'll never beat David Bowie

Space Oddity

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D67kmFzSh_o

Ashes to Ashes
www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMThz7eQ6K0

Life on Mars

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v--IqqusnNQ








Hi Laphroaig,
Good choices. You forget the lyrics, though.

I do like this old gem, too.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9URM_5R-vWk


" Calling Occupants Of Interplanetary Craft "

In your mind you have capacities you know
To telepath messages through the vast unknown
Please close your eyes and concentrate
With every thought you think
Upon the recitation we're about to sing

Calling occupants of interplanetary craft
Calling occupants of interplanetary, most extraordinary craft

Calling occupants of interplanetary craft
Calling occupants of interplanetary craft
Calling occupants of interplanetary, most extraordinary craft

You've been observing our earth
And we'd like to make a contact with you
We are your friends

Calling occupants of interplanetary craft
Calling occupants of interplanetary ultra emissaries

We've been observing your earth
And one night we'll make a contact with you

We are your friends
Calling occupants of interplanetary quite extraordinary craft

And please come in pace we beseech you
(Only of love we will teach you)
Our earth may never survive (So do come we beg you)

Please interstellar policemen
Won't you give us a sign give us a sign that we've reached you

musical break

With your mind you have ability to form
And transmit thought energy far beyond the norm
You close your eyes, you concentrate, together that's the way
To send a message we declare World Contact Day

Calling occupants of interplanetary craft
Calling occupants of interplanetary craft
Calling occupants of interplanetary, most extraordinary craft

Calling occupants
Calling occupants

Calling occupants of interplanetary, anti-adversary craft

We are your friends




Watch the aliens come and enslave us, now, maybe even eat us.





Babe,
xoxo

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

Hi everybody,

Here is a man who can telepathically summons alien crafts to appear.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zU5BDycDVM




Babe,
xoxo

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

Hi everybody,

Here is a man who can telepathically summons alien crafts to appear.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zU5BDycDVM




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pphUoZ1L1Gg




Babe,
xoxo

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9URM_5R-vWk

" Calling Occupants Of Interplanetary Craft "

In your mind you have capacities you know
To telepath messages through the vast unknown
Please close your eyes and concentrate
With every thought you think
Upon the recitation we're about to sing

Calling occupants of interplanetary craft
Calling occupants of interplanetary, most extraordinary craft

Calling occupants of interplanetary craft
Calling occupants of interplanetary craft
Calling occupants of interplanetary, most extraordinary craft

You've been observing our earth
And we'd like to make a contact with you
We are your friends

Calling occupants of interplanetary craft
Calling occupants of interplanetary ultra emissaries

We've been observing your earth
And one night we'll make a contact with you

We are your friends
Calling occupants of interplanetary quite extraordinary craft

And please come in pace we beseech you
(Only of love we will teach you)
Our earth may never survive (So do come we beg you)

Please interstellar policemen
Won't you give us a sign give us a sign that we've reached you

musical break

With your mind you have ability to form
And transmit thought energy far beyond the norm
You close your eyes, you concentrate, together that's the way
To send a message we declare World Contact Day

Calling occupants of interplanetary craft
Calling occupants of interplanetary craft
Calling occupants of interplanetary, most extraordinary craft

Calling occupants
Calling occupants

Calling occupants of interplanetary, anti-adversary craft

We are your friends






Robert Bingham summons UFOs to appear.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VesL8ReaQSI






Babe,

http://www.animated-gifs.eu/emoticons-aliens/0001.gif

xoxo

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

Hi again boys,

(I think i forgot the post the Coco Jones video link on the previous page, eh? Hmm, sorry about that.


My gosh! What's with all the alien topics in today's pop music? Hmm.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYMkuOUAg3M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7m4aUuNmWM

"Holla At The DJ"

Fresh off the flight with my brand new shoes on
They ain't even out yet, let me introduce 'em
I do my two step, hey right in front of ya
Meet me at the door, it's kinda crazy cuz I'm popular

Holla at the DJ and tell him turn it up
Holla at the DJ and tell him turn it up

You see me turn it up
And make it supersize
We about to burn it up
Just call me firefly

So what, so what
Talk about it
You want, you want
Yeah they wanna know about it
They want, they want
They wanna see about it
They wanna stand around the club all night and think about it

Amplify the recipe
Every time you look at me
I love it when I hear the sound (oh yeah)
Turn the music up for me
DJ, are you listening
Let the beat drown us out (oh oh oh oh oh oh...)

Holla at the DJ and tell him turn it up
Holla at the DJ and tell him turn it up
Holla at the DJ and tell him turn it up
Holla at the DJ and tell him turn it up

Land in my spaceship, we didn't come to play
Take over your area, we do this everyday
Call yourself a Martian, well I'm from Jupiter
Spin around you so fast, you can never catch me up

Holla at the DJ and tell him turn it up
Holla at the DJ and tell him turn it up

Cuz I like when the beat drop
Play that record for me
Clap my hands make me dance
Rockin' on the floor

So what, so what
Talk about it
You want, you want
Yeah they wanna know about it
They want, they want
They wanna see about it
They wanna stand around the club all night and think about it

Amplify the recipe
Every time you look at me
I love it when I hear the sound (oh yeah)
Turn the music up for me
DJ, are you listening?
Let the beat drown us out (oh oh oh oh oh oh...)

Holla holla, h-holla holla, h-holla holla
Play that record for me
Holla holla, h-holla holla, h-holla holla
We rockin' on the floor
Tell the DJ turn it up

Amplify the recipe
Every time you look at me
I love it when I hear the sound (oh yeah)
Turn the music up for me
DJ, are you listening?
Let the beat drown us out (oh oh oh oh oh oh...)



Babe,
:dancing:
xoxo

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

If you don't believe Darwin's theory, then there REALLY is no hope for you.




http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j398/da9is6/OhNonotthischildishcrapagain.jpg



Thank you, very much. I hope by saying that, that you somehow feel better about yourself.
Please, tell me?...what else do you think I should believe in?



sheeple.jpg Photo by da6is9 | Photobucket (http://s228.photobucket.com/user/da6is9/media/sheeple.jpg.html)


I would appreciate it, very much, if you would stop insulting me for NO valid reason, please.

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

Hi everybody else,


Don't believe in Ancient Aliens? Watch this I Dare You.
pt 1 of 6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8IOhoF_jBM
part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhTRtczqgj0
part 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDITtbrFj80
part 4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gP0jJflKoDc
part 5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhvu4d7hzG8
part 6 of 6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCEpDM1gWwA


Babe,
xoxo

[broncofan]

Hi everybody else,


Don't believe in Ancient Aliens? Watch this I Dare You.

You know how tough it is for me to ignore a dare.

[trish]

If you don't believe in evolution, then who made the aliens...and the aliens who made the aliens?

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

Oh Trisk,

You mean, you think aliens evolved from primates?

So, what you're saying is that, maybe, Darwin suggested that aliens evolved from primates?

Hmm, if primates can evolve into aliens, why are humans so far behind, then?

Wow!

I learn something new everyday?

Babe,
xoxo

[broncofan]

If you don't believe in evolution, then who made the aliens...and the aliens who made the aliens?
That's easy. A third set of aliens. A group of aliens made aliens who made aliens.

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

You know how tough it is for me to ignore a dare.

Hi Uncle Leo,

Well, i suppose you should go and troll in that guy's youtube channel, then, because he's the one who wrote that challenge - not me.

I just copied it because it's part of those videos.

[broncofan]

Oh Trisk,

You mean, you think aliens evolved from primates?

So, what you're saying is that, maybe, Darwin suggested that aliens evolved from primates?

Babe,
xoxo

I bet you she's not saying that. I bet she's saying that extra-terrestrial beings evolved from simpler extra-terrestrial beings, in the same way that speciation on planet Earth took place, but with different selective pressures. But we'll see her response.

[broncofan]

I forgot to sign off-the amazing kreskin

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4niFp4Nk6a0


" Sir Nose d'Void of Funk "

I am Sir Nose'd
D'Voidoffunk
I have always been
Devoid of funk
I shall continue to be
Devoid of funk
Starchild
You have only won a battle
I am the subliminal seducer
I will never dance
I shall return, Starchild

Syndrome
Twe-dumb, humdrum
(x2)
I will never dance (x2)

Syndrome
Tweedle-dee-dee-dumb
Humdrum
Don't succumb
(x3)

Better luck next time
I can dig it!
This is the Starchild
On another day
Chasing the noses away
Protector of the Pleasure Principle, yeah, ha, oh

Syndrome
Tweedle-dee-dee-dumb
Humdrum
Don't succumb
(x2)

(This is Starchild)
Three blind mice (let me put on my sunglasses)
See how they run (so I can see what they ain't lookin' at)
They all ran after the farmer's wife
Turned on the fun with the water pipe
Have you ever seen such a sight in your life? (ho!)
Those three blind mice (yeah)
Those blind three mice

Ho! I love those meeces to pieces!
Oh, speaking of the Zone of Zero Funkativity
Better known as the Nose Zone
Has anybody seen ol' Smell-o-vision?
Where is Sir Nose'd?
If why'all see Sir Nose
Tell him Starchild said:
"Ho! Put that snoot to use you mother!
'Cause you will dance, sucker"

Baa baa black sheep
Have you any wool?
Yes sir, yes sir
A nickel bag full
Ha, ha ha ha ha!

Better luck next time!
Pay attention!
Syndrome
Tweedle-dee-dee-dumb
Humdrum
Don't succumb
(x4)

Three blind mice
See how they run
They all ran after the farmer's wife (I wonder why)
Turned on the fun with the water pipe
Have you ever seen such a sight in your life?
Those three blind mice (ho!)
Those blind three mice

Yeah, I love those meeces to pieces!
Better luck next time!
La la la la la, la, la la la la
Yeah, it's in my mind

Syndrome
Tweedle-dee-dee-dumb
Humdrum
Don't succumb

Starchild
Protector of the Pleasure Principle
Ooh, hoo hoo hoo hoo
Yeah, I'm up to ??? on them there meeces

No one knows where the Nose go
When the door is closed (huck-a-buck)
(x2)

Oh there's throwing a ????
Baa baa black sheep
Have you any wool?
Yes sir, yes sir
A nickel bag full
Ha, ha ha ha ha!

Pay attention!
Bum-bum
Yum-yum
dumb
Protector of the Pleasure Principle
Has anybody seen Sir Nose D'Voidoffunk?
Tell him he will dance
He must dance!
I'll shoot him with the bop gun

Three blind mice
See how they run
They all ran after the farmer's wife
Turned on the fun with the water pipe
Have you ever seen such a sight in your life?
Those three blind mice
Those blind three mice

Oh, those meeces!
Better luck next time
I think they're gonna blow my mind, ha, ha, ha

Three blind mice (ho)
See how they run (hey)
They all ran after the farmer's wife (farmer's wife)
Turned on the fun with the water pipe (the water pipe)
Have you ever seen such a sight in your life?
Those three blind mice (oh)
Those blind three mice

I am Starchild
Syndrome
Tweedle-dee-dee-dumb
Humdrum
Don't succumb

Oh, gonna blow my mind
Pay attention!

Three blind mice
See how they run
They all ran after the farmer's wife
Turned on the fun with the water pipe
Have you ever seen such a sight in your life?
Those three blind mice
Those blind three mice

Syndrome
Tweedle-dee-dee-dumb
Humdrum
Don't succumb
(x2)

Oh, there's a picture within a picture behind a picture
They're building a nose I think I recognize

Baa baa black sheep
Have you any wool? (have you seen Sir Nose?)
Yes sir, yes sir
A nickel bag full

Come on out, Sir Nose
Yeah, come on out and dance
Dance!

Do you know what you can do with your funk, Starchild?
You will never see me dance
I am Sir Nose D'Voidoffunk
I will never dance!
Better luck next time

Have you ever seen such a sight in your life?
Three blind mice

I hate those meeces!
Oh, I do hate those meeces, hehhehheh

Have you ever seen such a sight in your life?
Three blind mice

Oooh, curses!
See how they run
They all ran after the farmer's wife
Turned on the fun with the water pipe
Have you ever seen such a sight in your life?
Those three blind mice
Those blind three mice

Better luck next time
Curses, curses
I'll get your for this, Starchild

Have you ever seen such a sight in your life?
Three blind mice

Put that funkin' out, Starchild!
Syndrome
Have you ever seen such a sight in your life?
Three blind mice

Syndrome
Tweedle-dee-dee-dumb

Have you ever seen such a sight in your life?
Three blind mice

Syndrome
Tweedle-dee-dee-dumb
Humdrum
Don't succumb

Yum-yum
Tweedle-dee-dumb
dumb dumb
Don't succumb

Have you ever seen such a sight in your life?
Three blind mice

Syndrome
Tweedle-dee-dee-dumb
Humdrum
Don't succumb

Have you ever seen such a sight in your life?
Three blind mice

Syndrome
Tweedle-dee-dee-dumb
Humdrum
Don't succumb

Have you ever seen such a sight in your life?
Three blind mice
(x2)




Babe,
xoxo

[trish]

That's easy. A third set of aliens. A group of aliens made aliens who made aliens.
I see, it's aliens...all the way down.

Babe, why don't YOU answer the question instead of passing the buck to some long and boring YouTube? (You're a bit like Ben that way) You're a real person right here in this thread who claims not to believe in evolution; why not test your assumptions and interact personally?

Is it the whole concept (of evolution) with which you disagree (speciation through natural selection and random mutation) or is it just Darwin's account of human origins with which you disagree ('cause we absolutely know we have alien origins)? If the latter, did the aliens evolve or did they have alien origins too? How far back can you go with this alien origins idea?

Bronco interprets my question correctly when he writes
I bet she's saying that extra-terrestrial beings evolved from simpler extra-terrestrial beings, in the same way that speciation on planet Earth took place, but with different selective pressures.

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

Hi Trisk,

I see! So on the topic of Darwin's Theory of Evolution, which i rejected, you asked me:
"If you don't believe in evolution, then who made the aliens...and the aliens who made the aliens?"

And Bronco (Uncle Leo who is AKA The Amazing Kreskin) interpreted your question, correctly?...when he tried to save you by saying:
"I bet she's saying that extra-terrestrial beings evolved from simpler extra-terrestrial beings, in the same way that speciation on planet Earth took place, but with different selective pressures."

That would be a whole different "ball game" played on a whole different "baseball diamond" on a "different planet" where "aliens live and evolve".
But wait a minute...you don't believe in aliens! lol Hmmm. Or do you? Hmm. lol

Nonetheless, even if you did believe in aliens, Darwin's theory wouldn't apply to aliens. I don't think Darwin's theory involved aliens because he based his theory of evolution on primates evolving into humans.

Maybe...there WAS an evolution theorist with a name like, oh i dunno, say..."Commander Vil Villiont Torno" from a very far off planet who once theorized that his alien race evolved from a primitive lower form of alien species from THEIR alien planet. That would make it, more like, the famous Vil Villiont Torno's Theory of Alien Evolution, wouldn't it, now?

After all, if aliens genetically modified the genes of Earth's primates to look like the aliens in their alien image and likeness, to serve as an inferior race of alien/primate hybrid, why would a superior alien race use one of Earth's primates to build an alien race superior to humans but still VERY inferior to their own genetic DNA?
That would mean aliens would become like primates.
No! Darwin's theory of primate-to-human-evolution is being discussed here, no such topic of "Darwin's theory of alien-to-earth-primate to become an alien race" should be even mentioned. Geezus!!

I feel like i am in a wrestling ring and you two are like a tag-team, two against only me. When one of you slips up, the other one suggests a way to get the foot out of your mouths. lol

Admit it, aliens exist! Period!
Why would sexy trish even mention aliens' evolution just after i said i rejected Darwin's theory? Darwin 'was an earthing, not an alien. AND he was not even THINKING about aliens when concluding his theory of evolution.

You two could not have POSSIBLY watched an hour-long video series in less than ten minutes but you still come to debate with me the facts i present. I strongly sense that you two just love a good debate without even looking to the stuff i post.
My former Jewish boss used to have a name for that - when the rabbis would debate a topic and debate it to death lol like a battle of wits, where the one who gave up, having nothing left to say, lost the debate.
It was fun. I liked it.
I forget the correct Jewish term she used to call it. It's what the rabbis do when they discuss the Jewish Bible, Mishnah, Talmud and add their own commentaries.
It was long ago i was just a teen, at the time.

Annnnnywayyyyyy. Perhaps we WERE evolving into humans from primates, but there is still that HUUUUUGE jump of brain power where early man started to really think...which was when the Anunnaki began genetically modifying whichever early stage of human-like creature it was at that time, in order to create a slave worker who was smart enough to take orders but still VERY inferior to the master's intelligence.
AND THAT is where Darwin's theory gets lost in the genetic pool.
That is what i meant when i said i disagree with Darwin's theory of evolution.

If the Anunnaki hadn't have stepped in, we might still be living in the open fields under and in tree-tops and not in caves, making fire.
So where we ended up as humans was not due the evolution process as much as it was because of a Divine intervention.

Does the book of Genesis not mention the story of the creation of Adam and Eve?...or did i miss the verses where Darwin's name was mentioned?

Now, you know what i meant when i rejected Darwin's theory even though i said, "I don't believe - at all."

Let's not :deadhorse

Babe,
xoxo

[broncofan]

All extant species are the product of evolution, not just primates. Natural selection operates even before species branch into other species that are incapable of breeding with one another. So even the simplest prokaryotic organisms undergo changes in gene frequency across generations, the only pre-requisite to this being different rates of reproductive success among members. There's no reason to believe that IF there is life on other planets, they do not have units of inheritance such as genes that are represented to different degrees based on reproductive success.

There are a bunch of issues we're conflating. It is different to say there might be life on other planets than it is to say that we know there is life on other planets, that life is intelligent, has the technological capability to visit other planets and has visited ours. I hate to put words in her mouth, but I think it's clear she was not talking about a confirmed alien species. She was asking you what you thought the origins of these various alien species would be if they exist.

Edit: I will stop answering for Trish since she is more than capable of answering for herself. I did this when you misunderstood Fred that one time and it annoyed you but I am trying to clear up a misunderstanding...I hate misunderstandings:)

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

Hi everybody,

Meet The Amazing Kreskin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhaN0lz1Ces

Babe,
xoxo

[broncofan]

Hi everybody,

Meet The Amazing Kreskin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhaN0lz1Ces

Babe,
xoxo

I was pretty good that day.
:tongue:

[Stavros]

Hi everybody else,
Don't believe in Ancient Aliens? Watch this I Dare You.

Or we could dare you to confront the fantasy concocted by 'Klaus Dona' to sell books -in the section of his video on the 'genetic disk' he even distorts what he was told by one of the real experts he consulted in dating the disk, thus the mineralogist at the Natural History Museum in Vienna, Dr Vera Hammer stated:

I was asked in the year 2001 by Mr. Klaus Dona, who curated the exhibition “Unsolved Mysteries” in the same year in Vienna, to make XRD analyses (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-ray_Diffraction) of some of the exhibited objects. Most of the objects include new materials and I told him that this were fakes, but this is not what he wants to hear… Even other scientists from our Museum told the owners of the objects, and Mr. Klaus Dona, that all that stuff is not what they believed. Some of the exhibited objects were curiosities by the nature, others man made new stuff which you can buy in any touristic shop in that areas. But anyway, our comment about the so called „genetic disc“ was only that it consists of feldspar, quartz and mica, which was proved by XRD measurement. My former director who was petrologist said, that this rock could be lydite (a grey to black fine grained schist) or an artificial product made of this minerals. I never classified the disk or any other of these objects to a special cultural period or give any statement of age, which in fact are not part of my competence. So, this was the only information we gave, not more! All interpretation of symbols and signs, age or anything else arise in the head of the owner and/or the curator of the exhibition! There was no author given in the catalogue about “Unsolved Mysteries”, so in fact, I don’t know who writes all that nonsense!”
Dr. Hammer’s statement pretty much concludes this whole thing. The one and only official researcher who is mentioned as having studied the Disk tells us it is a fake.


You can read more about the 'spiritual archaeologist' called Klaus Dona who has no known researchers, covers up his sources but really wants you to buy his books, here (scroll down for 'The Genetic Disk):


http://archyfantasies.com/category/weird-archaeology/

[trish]

If you don't believe in evolution, then who made the aliens...and the aliens who made the aliens?



You mean, you think aliens evolved from primates?
...
I learn something new everyday?

You do? I can’t testify to that. But to get back on track, I was just asking a question. If you don’t believe the various alien species of whom you speak are the product of natural selection operating (perhaps in an alien environment) through a noisy reproductive channel on inheritable traits (i.e. evolution), then you may have thought of another explanation for extraterrestrial speciation. Since you claim extraterrestrials are responsible for the terrestrial species known as homo sapiens, it occurred to me you might be thinking some other species of extraterrestrials are responsible for the existence of the alien species that are responsible for us. So, is that what you’re thinking?


Nonetheless, even if you did believe in aliens, Darwin's theory wouldn't apply to aliens. I don't think Darwin's theory involved aliens because he based his theory of evolution on primates evolving into humans. Darwin’s first book was called The Origin of Species. Bronco in a previous post gave a accurate and concise description of how it works. In The Origin of Species Darwin reminds us that the various breeds of domestic animals (the manmade breeds of dairy cows, cattle, sheep, dogs, pigeons etc ) have been artificially produced by a deliberate selective process. He suggested that in the wild, nature selects for those inheritable traits that benefit the breed’s survival. Those divergent populations that came from the same stock but no longer breed with each other because of geographical, behavioral or reproductive barriers can sometimes be regarded as distinct species. This is what is known among biologists as Darwinian evolution.

Darwin’s second book was The Descent of Man, which presents in minute detail the evidence that was available at the time for the case that homo sapiens was similarly produced by natural selection.

These can be regarded as two distinct theories. Although it’s unlikely, someone might accept Darwin’s theory as a reasonable account of most terrestrial speciation, but exempt other species claiming for them artificial causes. So even though you think homo-sapiens are not the product of natural selection, you might endorse the greater part of Darwin’s Origin of Species. I’m curious if that describes your position (I think from what you say later in the above post it does), or are you scraping evolution entirely?

One should be careful not to construe evolution as a theory of the origin of life. That is an entirely different issue. Most biologists are inclined to look for the origin of terrestrial life in the thermodynamics and chemistry of Earth’s early oceans and terrain. There is no consensus on how specifically this would have worked. Some, but a very few, think life on Earth had extraterrestrial origins: perhaps dormant, microscopic seeds drifted through space or hitched a ride inside a meteor that was kicked up off the surface of Mars or another planet by a collision with an asteroid. But the theory of interplanetary panspermia doesn’t really solve the problem of life’s ultimate origin, it just kicks that problem of origins back to a prior origin.

If there is extraterrestrial life (and I think likely there is) one would like to know its ultimate origin? My guess is life in the universe has multiple origins. Complex molecules, eddies and currents etc. form whenever there are enduring energy fluxes (the flux of energy streaming across the solar system from the sun, the flux of energy that propagates across the accretion disc of a quasar etc.). The longer the river of energy flows (the Sun has been shining for about 4.5 billion years) the more complex the phenomena that thrive within the stream-–checkout, for example, the spontaneous formation of Bernard cells and other chaotic phenomena. Once self-reproducing molecules (or other self-reproducing phenomena appear) natural selection has something on which it can operate.

In any case, even though Darwin never speculated in print about extraterrestrial life and speciation on other planets, it’s easy to see that if there is life on other planets and if it reproduces, then natural selection would have carved it into various species which are identifiable by their particular adaptive, inheritable traits. That’s Darwinian evolution.



Maybe...there WAS an evolution theorist with a name like, oh i dunno, say..."Commander Vil Villiont Torno" from a very far off planet who once theorized that his alien race evolved from a primitive lower form of alien species from THEIR alien planet. That would make it, more like, the famous Vil Villiont Torno's Theory of Alien Evolution, wouldn't it, now?I don’t doubt that if there is somewhere in the universe lifeforms intelligent that think about their origins, they may have come up with a theory of speciation by natural selection acting on units of inheritance. You’re right: it probably doesn’t bare Darwin’s name. But the theory by any other name would function just a well. There might be another planet home to a transplanted species that completely forgot their origins. They might find out when they discover that no other animal species on their planet shares any of reproductive code. We, on the other hand, have genes that fit very well within the genealogical tree of terrestrial life.


After all, if aliens genetically modified the genes of Earth's primates to look like the aliens in their alien image and likeness, to serve as an inferior race of alien/primate hybrid, why would a superior alien race use one of Earth's primates to build an alien race superior to humans but still VERY inferior to their own genetic DNA? That would be silly, but I don’t need to defend it because this scenario is not a logical consequence of my claims.


I feel like i am in a wrestling ring and you two are like a tag-team, two against only me. When one of you slips up, the other one suggests a way to get the foot out of your mouths. lol
I don’t recall Bronco making any slips. Nor do I don’t recall bronco stepping in to repair any of my arguments. But if a flawed argument were presented, say by me and then repaired by Bronco, wouldn’t it in the end be a good argument? We’re not playing a game of Gotchya, we’re trying to present valid criticisms and put forward reasonable propositions.


Admit it, aliens exist! Period! A few posts before this, (it may have been in a response to Fred) I gave my opinion that it is very likely this universe is home to extraterrestrial life. I even expressed the opinion that it may in places take forms very unlike what we expect.


Perhaps we WERE evolving into humans from primates, but there is still that HUUUUUGE jump of brain power where early man started to really think...which was when the Anunnaki began genetically modifying whichever early stage of human-like creature it was at that time, in order to create a slave worker who was smart enough to take orders but still VERY inferior to the master's intelligence.
AND THAT is where Darwin's theory gets lost in the genetic pool.
That is what i meant when i said i disagree with Darwin's theory of evolution. So you don’t disbelieve in Darwinian evolution. We’re not so far apart after all. At the risk of putting words in your mouth (correct me if I’m wrong) you seems to think it likely that most terrestrial species evolved from prior populations through the action of natural selection––but you think aliens interfered with that process in the case of homo-sapiens. Out of curiosity, do you think the species of alien who interfered with us, are themselves the product of natural selection acting within the environment of their origins?


Does the book of Genesis not mention the story of the creation of Adam and Eve?...or did i miss the verses where Darwin's name was mentioned?I agree, the Book of Genesis doesn't lend a lot of support to Darwin. It is a curious book. The Book of Genesis, as it survives, relates two literally contradictory stories of Adam and Eve. One where Eve was formed from Adams rib after the animals were created and another where Adam and Eve were created together (not one from the other) before the animals were created. As it stands, Genesis doesn't lend a lot support to anybody’s particular theory of human origins.

[martin48]

Are there other life forms in the universe (let’s not use the term “alien”)? Most likely given the sheer size of the universe and its age.
Will such life forms be carbon based as on Earth? Again most likely, as very few elements can contribute to complex specialised molecules. Silicon-based life is also possible as at appropriate high temperatures and pressures, silicates can be quite complex and possess some functionality.
Will their planets be like Earth – oxygen-rich atmosphere, reasonable temperatures, etc, plenty of available water? Most probably, as quite a few basic properties of elements and atomic structure have to satisfied for complex systems to evolve.
Will such like forms evolve through Darwinian processes? What other alternative is there, except the random mutations in some heredity code that enhances survival? So, I suppose, we can assume that any advanced life form out there will be stuck in the mire of sex and all its hang-ups!
Should we go looking for them or advertise our presence? I would recommend caution.

[Laphroaig]

http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j398/da9is6/OhNonotthischildishcrapagain.jpg



Thank you, very much. I hope by saying that, that you somehow feel better about yourself.
Please, tell me?...what else do you think I should believe in?



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I would appreciate it, very much, if you would stop insulting me for NO valid reason, please.

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.

You really don’t understand that the scientific community isn’t a unified group of people all nodding sagely and agreeing on the same theories, then the rest blindly following. There are the same rivalries, competition and arguments as there are in any walk of life.

Scientific and technological development is based on challenging accepted theories and dogmas. If that didn’t happen then we would all still be living with Stone Age technology because “that’s the way it’s always been done”. Then, we would never have discovered electricity, computers wouldn’t exist and worst of all for you, there would be no internet and therefore, no youtube! How would you survive…

The big difference between scientific theories and conspiracy theories is that in order to be published, science has to go through a rigorous peer review process to determine its accuracy. I’ve been involved on both sides of the coin and it isn't easy getting publications accepted. Even after publication, they are still open to revision if new evidence comes to light. For conspiracy theories there’s no such filtering process and the two main criteria are simple, is it entertaining and the most important one, already alluded to by others, will it make money for me?

Yes I believe Darwin’s theories. They may not be perfect (nothing is) but they’ve been independently verified by a huge number of separate studies since their original publication and have survived many attempts to discredit them.

Like others on this thread, I believe that, given the immense size of the universe (not to mention the theory that there might be multiple universes other than our own) there’s a good chance that life does exist elsewhere. What form it could take, I have no idea. What I don’t believe is that they have ever visited Earth and the idea that one “has had tea with the President” is quite frankly ludicrous and laughable.

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

To see images, click on the link
http://www.openminds.tv/phil-schneiders-incredible-et-claims/9982



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Posted by: Michael Schratt June 1, 2011

Michael Schratt (military aerospace historian) has lectured across the country on the subject of "Mystery Aircraft", and classified propulsion systems buried deep within the military industrial complex. A recent guest speaker at the “OSHKOSH” AirVenture 2006/2007 event, (the world’s largest air show), Michael has developed a number of contacts who have had first hand experience dealing with classified “black programs”, including former USAF pilots, retired Naval personnel and aerospace engineers who have maintained a TOP SECRET Q “MAJIC” clearance. A private pilot and military aerospace historian, he currently works as an aerospace draftsman/researcher near Tempe AZ.
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Phil Schneider’s incredible ET claims

Among the most controversial figures in the field of ufology, is Phil Schneider (government Geologist/structural engineer). Phil appeared on the lecture circuit in May of 1995, and his talking points included: UFO’s, Aliens, One World Government, The New World Order, Black Budgets, Deep Underground Military Bases (DUMB’s), and stealth technology. Seven months later, he was found dead in his Portland apartment on January 17, 1996 after an apparent “suicide”. The circumstances surrounding his death remain highly suspicious, and the incompetent efforts by both police and medical examiners cry out for justice. Did Phil Schneider really take his own life? Was foul play involved? Did “the powers that be” silence Phil out of fear that he was revealing too many “skeletons” in the government/defense contractor closet? Plans for a “tell-all” book revealing the “horrible truth” never materialized, and essentially all of Philip’s evidence which consisted of lecture material, “alien” metals, higher math books, photos, and an original manuscript were stolen after his death. If the incredible claims made by Phil Schneider eventually turn out to be accurate, this devoted patriot should be honored for his dedicated service to mankind. This article will endeavor to present a skeptical but fair review of the life and background of Phil Schneider, as well as his more controversial lecture talking points.

Philip Schneider was born on April 23, 1947 at Bethesda Naval Hospital. His father Oscar Otto Schneider was a Captain in the U.S. Navy. He eventually met his wife (Cynthia Drayer) in 1986, and was married in Carson City Nevada. They had one daughter (Marie), and were divorced in 1990. Regarding his career and background, Phil claimed that he was employed by the Lockheed “Skunk Works” in Burbank California, and that he worked on the SR-71. He also stated that he worked as a Government geologist (specifically for NATO), and that he had seventeen years of experience involved with black projects. He held a Level 3 (Rhyolite 38 ) security clearance. Having such a high level of clearance, Phil was authorized to report directly to one of three individuals: The President of the United States, Director of the CIA, and the associated base commander where he was employed. Between 1977 and 1981, he worked for Morrison-Knudsen (DOD construction contractor). Concurrently, between 1978 and 1981, Phil worked directly for the Department of the Navy, Office of Naval Intelligence. He spent months at Area 51, and was known as an “interpreter” for a “guest” of the government, which turned out to be a reptilian alien. Phil’s work on Deep Underground Military Bases (DUMB’s) took him to Russia, Vietnam, New Guinea, and Saudi Arabia. His work involved the boring of deep shafts (from one to three miles) into the earth, and to analyze the rock structure for the purpose of building underground facilities. He had become an expert in his field. These cavernous spaces were created by exploding shape charges in porous rock, which would essentially “blow the room into existence”. He had also done some photographic work for the military.

Throughout his lecture tours across America, Phil stated that his father Oscar was involved with both the Philadelphia Experiment, and Operations Crossroads. Oscar had been a Captain in the Navy, and served as a medical doctor. He also stated that his father made a death-bed confession indicating that he was a U-boat Captain in Germany during World War II. Extensive research by historians has been unable to link the name Oscar Schneider to any fleet associated with the Third Reich. The Philadelphia Experiment dealt with the feasibility of making U.S. Navy warships invisible to enemy radar. Documents saved by Phil’s ex-wife indicate that Oscar Schneider had a “COSMIC” security clearance, and that he participated in the autopsy of the crew members of the U.S.S. Eldridge (DE-173). During his marriage to Cynthia Drayer, Phil claimed that the military industrial complex had succeeded in miniaturizing some of the technology associated with the Philadelphia Experiment which could make a soldier disappear. This led to a portable device that could be worn on a person’s belt. Operation Crossroads was a series of nuclear weapons tests conducted at Bikini Atoll during the summer of 1946. Claims by Phil Schneider that the Bikini Atoll tests were a cover for a much more sinister TOP SECRET program have never been independently verified. According to Schneider, Bikini Atoll was bombed due to the existence of a massive underwater alien saucer base. Apparently, up to 500,000 saucers were destroyed in the “test”. Photos of alleged “UFO’s” departing the area at tremendous speeds at the precise time of detonation mysteriously vanished after his death.

It was after the murder of Phil’s friend Ron Rummell, and death of his father (Oscar Schneider) in 1993 that he became galvanized to speak out on government black projects, the alien agenda, and the devious plans of the New World Order. By the end of 1995, he had numerous attempts on his life. One attempt included the partial sawing off of the lug-nuts on his Ford Taurus. This caused one of the wheels to fly off its axle, resulting in the vehicle flipping over and hitting the guard-rail. Undeterred, Phil routinely alerted audiences at his lectures that he was breaking the law by discussing classified information, and was in breach of his national security oath. Disgusted with the fraud, waste, and abuse associated with his employment in black projects, Phil cut up his ID badge, and mailed it back to his employer. He regularly opened his presentations with the words: “I love my country more than I love my life”. On display at Phil’s various lectures were alleged samples of “alien” metals, and photos taken by his father depicting UFO’s departing the area of an atomic bomb test. Phil was a true “nuts-and-bolts” engineer type who was fascinated by stealth technology, and mineralogy. He also held a deep interest in with the work of Nikola Tesla with respect to time variance mathematical equations.
Essentially, Phil Schneider’s material can be broken down into six distinct points:
1. The Black Budget

2. Deep underground Military Bases (DUMB’s)

3. The “Dulce Wars”

4. Advanced aircraft and Stealth Technology

5. The “Alien Agenda”

6. The New World Order (Global conspiracy to create a One World Government)


The Black Budget

According to Phil Schneider, for every year that goes by in the “white world” (defined as the world the general public lives in), forty-four years of research and development progresses in the so called “black world”. For example, if we take the date of 1947 (formation of the CIA, and alleged “alien” UFO crash at Roswell NM), this would mean that by 2011, defense contractors would have already made 2,816 years of progress with respect to cutting edge weapons research and advanced aerospace technology. Indeed, if this is the case, the general public is truly living in a “dream-world”, still forced to utilize antiquated internal combustion engines, and liquid rockets. Phil also stated that the military’s Black Budget is $508 Billion dollars per year, which is equivalent to eleven tons of one dollar bills.


Deep Underground Military Bases (DUMB’s)

During his lectures, Phil stated that there were at least 131 Deep Underground Military Bases (DUMB’s) which have been built in the United States since 1947. In fact, according to Phil, the United States has been building underground bases day and night unceasingly since the 1940’s. By late 1995, according to Phil, there were 1,477 (DUMB’s) throughout the world. Phil also mentioned that there were approximately three DUMB’s per state, and that the cost of each facility was between seventeen and twenty-six billion dollars. Many of these bases are over one mile deep, and have over four cubic miles of material removed. According to Phil, the bases are connected via a tunnel system that incorporates high speed mono-rail magneto “levaton” trains. In fact, according to a Los Angeles Times article dated June 11, 1972 the Rand Corporation has developed a tube-shuttle system that could take passengers and cars from New York to Los Angeles in a half an hour at speeds up to 10,000 mph. The tunnels are created using nuclear powered laser drilling machines that can make up to seven miles of progress per day (see U.S. Patent 3,881,777 above issued May 6, 1975). The reality of a massive underground tunnel system is further supported by the ground breaking research of author Richard Sauder in his book Underground Bases and Tunnels. As Phil points out, the total number of DUMB’s does not match the total number of government officials that would need to be evacuated in case of a national emergency. This indicates that these underground facilities are being utilized for another purpose. According to Phil, sixty-two of these bases are used for housing short and tall “grays”, along with extraterrestrial craft.


The “Dulce Wars”

During August of 1979, Phil Schneider (government geologist, Skunk Works engineer and black ops contractor) was commissioned to take part in a deep drilling operation at Dulce NM. During the sinking of the initial four shafts, it became clear that many of the lasers and mechanical components of the tunnel boring machine (TBM) were coming up broken. Mr. Schneider and a number of other geologists were elected to travel down the shaft via a basket to determine what the problem was. Upon arriving at the bottom of the shaft (which was 2-1/2 miles deep), a “horrible” discovery was made. It became immediately apparent that they had broken through into a large cavern that was infested with aliens. The creatures were described as a type 1 seven foot tall “grey”. Mr. Schneider was able to kill two of the creatures but was hit by a light green Cobalt radiation beam that was fired by one of the aliens. Badly injured and burned, but still alive, Phil was placed in the elevator basket and began the long trip to the surface, while an intense fire-fight continued to rage in the cavern below. In the commotion, a total of 66 secret service agents along with members of the FBI and black berets were struck and killed by the aliens. Phil was one of only three survivors of the event. This alleged confrontation has come to be known as the as the “Dulce Wars”.


Advanced Aircraft and Stealth Technology

Regarding TOP SECRET stealth aircraft, Phil Schneider made a number of absolutely incredible claims. Some of these claims appear to be inconsistent with the findings of established and well respected aerospace publications such as Janes Defense Weekly, and Aviation Week Technology. According to Phil, 157 F-117A Stealth Fighters were built which used LIDAR (Light Detection and Ranging), and CEIR (Computer Enhanced Imaging Radar), that has a resolution of one inch to 30,000 miles. Phil also stated that the remaining ninety-eight Stealth Fighters were signed over to the United Nations. At least two of these statements are completely false. Internal Lockheed (Burbank) records indicate that a grand total of fifty-nine F-117A Stealth Fighters were built, with the last one being delivered in the summer of 1990.

After retirement on April 22, 2008 a few aircraft were donated to museums, one was scrapped, and the remaining airframes were put into permanent flyable storage at TTR (Tonopah Test Range) in Nevada (see above photo). There is absolutely no record of any secret squadron of Stealth Fighters which were handed over to the U.N. In addition, Phil stated that the F-117A included as its arsenal, rockets, four large bombs, cruise missiles, cannon fire, and provisions for a second crew member in the nose. Each one of these statements is categorically false. The Stealth Fighter never had provisions for “hard points” which would facilitate in the launching of rockets. These attachment points would increase the RCS (Radar Cross Section) of the aircraft, thereby defeating its original intended purpose of evading enemy radar. The bomb bay in the F-117A was specifically designed to carry only two bombs (GBU-10 Paveway II laser guided). There simply is not enough room to carry four, let alone a significantly larger cruise missile. Phil’s statement that the F-117A incorporates provisions for a second crewmember is totally false. With all the room being taken up by the pilot, avionics, weapons, hydraulics, and the laser target designator, there is simply no space left for a second seat.

In addition, Schneider claimed that the F-117A was the first aircraft to utilize a special helmet worn by the pilot which incorporated “Psycho-energetic range finding technology”. This technology Schneider states was copied from the Russians. Essentially, the pilot thinks in his own language, which automatically arms his weapons. This statement is false. The helmets worn by Stealth Fighter pilots are standard issue USAF equipment. Lockheed was quick to realize that “re-inventing the wheel” would significantly increase the overall cost of the F-117 program. Therefore, pre-existing off the shelf components were used throughout the aircraft. A Forward looking Infrared (FLIR) system built by Texas Instruments was used for low level navigation and weapons aiming. This was used in conjunction with a color Multi-Function Display (MFD) manufactured by Honeywell. No “wizz-bang” techno helmets here.

In a few of his lectures, Phil claimed that the coatings on the F-117A glow red hot after each mission, and that they drip off (referred to as “Aurora drops”). Phil also stated that there is a “secret periodic table of elements”, and that the skins of the F-117 were made from Element 123 aka Unbitium (Ubt). However, it is known that the structure of the F-117A is primarily built out of aluminum with a few engine/exhaust components made from Titanium. The exterior skin the F-117A is comprised of RAM (Radar Absorbent Material). Originally, this material was applied to the structure of the Stealth Fighter by way of large flexible sheets. Later on, the process was fully automated, and computer controlled spray nozzles were used. The exact composition of this material remains classified. However, it is known that RAM partially consists of thousands of tiny iron ferrite balls which help to absorb radar. Therefore, since the exact composition of RAM remains a closely guarded secret, there may be a sliver of truth in Phil’s statement regarding Element 123.

Another unsubstantiated claim made by Phil is that a material known as “Mirranite” is used in the construction of stealth aircraft. Phil also stated that both the F-117A and Northrop B-2 Stealth Bomber incorporate “alien metals” beyond Element 109. A search of the known periodic table of Elements yielded no such “Mirranite”. Also, it is well known that Carbon Fiber composites were used extensively in the building of the B-2. Phil states that the jet engines which power the Stealth Fighter use a nuclear reactor for high altitude flight. This seems totally absurd due to the fact that the F-117 is known to use two off-the-shelf General Electric F404-F1D2 turbo-fan engines. This is the same power-plant which is used on the F/A-18 Hornet. Down-sizing a nuclear reactor to fit inside the fuselage of such a small aircraft would be hard enough, not to mention radiation shielding issues, and contaminated radioactive nuclear fall-out material which would have exited the elongated exhaust ports.

According to Phil Schneider, the so called “guardians of stealth” are known as the MJTF (Military Joint Tactical Force). This consists of three groups of “Black Berets”/Delta Force teams. Since this cannot be independently verified, Phil’s claim regarding the authenticity of the MJTF must remain open to further examination. Multiple times during his lectures, Phil dropped the following two bombshells: 1) There are twenty-nine prototypes of stealth aircraft under development by the United States. 2) There have been two space shuttle prototypes built which can exceed 40,000 mph. Keeping in mind the billions spent on the military’s black budget, these two points seem feasible. Lockheed Martin and McDonnell Douglass (now Boeing) had multiple classified follow-on shuttle concepts which may have been funded in the early years of the Reagan administration. Schneider also claimed knowledge that “secret space shuttle missions” are flown once a week for the purpose of machining alien hybrid metals (scalenohedronel crystalline) into ingot and bar form. Once back on earth, the material is heated up (white hot), and rolled into very thin paper sheets which are used on the skins of various stealth aircraft. This seems unlikely unless a “secret space program” flew missions which were launched from Nevada’s secretive Area 51, or a remote launch complex somewhere out in the Pacific Ocean.


The Alien Agenda

According to Phil Schneider, the “Alien Agenda” was known by the U.S. government as early as 1933. The purpose being was the complete take-over of the world by aliens by the year 2029. Original notes from Schneider indicate that between January of 1947 and December of 1952 sixteen UFO crash/retrievals took place. Four occurred in Nevada, ten in New Mexico, and two in Arizona. These crashed/downed saucer retrievals resulted in the recovery of 117 alien bodies, with four being captured alive. The government contractor known as EG&G served as a consulting firm on alien related projects. Security and recovery of extraterrestrial or alien spacecraft was handled by a special military detachment known as the “Blue Berets” which fell under the jurisdiction of “Project Pounce”. It was said by Schneider that seven benevolent species of aliens are currently living on earth, as well as four evil species (partially confirmed by former CIA pilot John Lear, and retired Command Sergeant Major Robert Dean). A total of four treaties were signed between the aliens and the U.S. Government. The dates for these treaties were as follows: 1944, 1954, 1962, and 1979. In 1954, the “Greata” treaty was signed between the Eisenhower administration, the U.S. Navy, and a species of Grey aliens who originated from Zeta Reticuli. In essence, the Greata treaty was an agreement between the U.S. Government, and known malevolent aliens. The agreement allowed for the abduction, study, and genetic sampling of humans in exchange for alien technology.

It was later discovered that the Greys were abducting far more human subjects than originally planned, and that the entire alien situation had “gone off the rails”, and was beyond the capability of the U.S. Government to contain. This constituted the “terrible truth”, and provided further justification for the now 64 year old cover-up. The pre-determined meeting allegedly took place at Edwards Air Force Base. Persistent attempts by ufologists and historians alike have failed to conclusively prove the authenticity of this elusive story. As an interesting side note, just one year later on October 8, 1955 General Douglas MacArthur made the following cryptic remark before a young group of graduating cadets at West Point: “You now face a new world, a world of change. We speak in strange terms, of harnessing the cosmic energy, of ultimate conflict between a united human race and the sinister forces of some other planetary galaxy. The nations of the world will have to unite, for the next war will be an interplanetary war. The nations of the earth must someday make a common front against attack by people from other planets.”

Schneider also claimed that the ultimate goal of the SDI “Star Wars” program was to protect the earth from an alien threat. Apparently, according to Schneider, Offut AFB (Nebraska) is home to recovered alien bodies and craft along with the long rumored underground WPAFB facility at Dayton Ohio. Phil claimed firsthand knowledge that the United States Government had “piles of wrecked UFO’s”, and that these craft were being shot down at the rate of seven per month. In Russia, there were “football fields” full of junked UFO’s which were being shot down at the rate of one per day. Schneider also claimed knowledge that entrance into the Roswell craft and other extra-terrestrial vehicles was accomplished by dipping the craft into a super-cooled vat of liquid nitrogen, thereby making the hull of the craft brittle. In its weakened state, a pneumatic hammer was used to break open the outer hull. In very small collection of original notes by Phil Schneider, provided by his ex-wife Cynthia Drayer, it has been revealed that “Hittite like” cuneiform inscriptions were found on portions of the Roswell debris. In addition, lunar artifacts from the Aristarchus crater as well as artifacts on Mars were apparently shipped to Area S4 and 29 Palms Marine base in California. These artifacts are believed to have been procured during secret space missions that were outside the scope of the Apollo and Viking programs.

In private conversations with alleged Philadelphia experiment survivor Al Bielek, Phil stated that he was present at one particular meeting which included high level United Nations officials. The meeting was held in an undetermined underground location, and NOT the U.N headquarters in New York. According to Phil, this facility included large expansive meeting rooms (identical to the U.N.), and a specific “raised seating area”. In this elevated section sat multiple seven foot tall Grey aliens who were “dictating policy” to U.N. officials. Apparently the “Alien Agenda” had gotten so far out of hand, that the U.S. Constitution no longer held any legal standing, and international leaders were at the mercy of the Greys.


The New World Order

Among his most conspiratorial subjects, Phil Schneider constantly warned of a “global take-over” by the power elites, which would enslave humanity into a totalitarian dictatorship “police state”. In this “New World Order”, citizens would willfully hand over their civil liberties and freedoms in exchange for Government protection against “manufactured” terrorists threats. To facilitate this diabolical plan, and to “neutralize” any “patriots”, Schneider claimed that 64,000 black helicopters were built. However, he never revealed which defense contractor manufactured these helicopters, or where they were based. It’s believed that these black helicopters were built to monitor “domestic terrorists”. In addition, Phil stated that 107,200 prison boxcars have been built. These boxcars were said to incorporate 143 pairs of shackles each (enough for 15 million U.S. “dissidents” who refused to go along with the plan). These citizens would be shipped to one of the 600 pre-existing “FEMA detention camps” which were funded under the Reagan Authorized Rex 84 Project “Garden Plot”, and Operation “Cable Splicer”. The validity of such claims regarding “prison boxcars” remains a hotly debated subject on multiple conspiratorial websites.


The death of Phil Schneider

On January 17, 1996 an officer from the local Clackamas County Sheriff’s Department broke into Phil Schneider’s apartment. The officer was accompanied by Al Pratt who was leading regular bible study groups with Phil. Al had seen Phil’s car parked in the driveway, but there had been no answer at the door. Upon entry into the room, Phil’s body was discovered arched under an adjustable high-rise bed. His head was resting on a nearby wheelchair. It had been in the apartment for a week before it was discovered. Initially, the cause of death was determined by detective Randy Harris to be a stroke. However, this explanation is suspect for a number of reasons. In an unprecedented move which is against Oregon State Law, detective Harris released the body to Mount Scott Funeral Home without it first being examined by a coroner. Two days after Phil’s body was found, a startling discovery was made by the mortician at the funeral parlor. When Phil’s body was being prepared for cremation, a rubber surgical tube was discovered embedded in the folds of his neck.

The tube was wrapped three times around his neck, and was doubled knotted. Funeral director Rob Gasgill was furious at the discovery of an apparent murder weapon on his property. This is a gross oversight on the part of the Sheriff’s Department, and would have been discovered much earlier if a coroner had been called to the scene. This clearly should have triggered a full scale murder investigation. Eventually Cynthia Drayer (Phil’s ex-wife) ordered an autopsy which was performed by Medical Examiner Karen Gunson. However, according to Cynthia, the autopsy report contained “so many discrepancies, that it almost felt like it was not the body of Philip.” The report was inconsistent with what Cynthia knew regarding Phil’s physical body. Gunson made no mention of the metal plate in his head, or that his right lung had been removed. Dr. Gunson declared the cause of death to be “strangulation by ligature asphyxiation”. In other words, Phil Schneider’s death was labeled a “suicide”.

Although divorced at the time of his death, Phil’s ex-wife knew him well enough to determine that he would never commit suicide. He had strong religious convictions which forbade suicide. Cynthia is convinced that Phil was committed to living his life, and wanted to see his Daughter Marie grow up. In addition, Phil had future plans with his friend Mark Rufener to collaborate on a “tell all” book project which would reveal the truth about UFO’s, aliens, the black budget, and the New World Order. This explosive bomb-shell book was also to include a list of DUMB’s with their associated latitude and longitude coordinates. Unfortunately, Phil Schneider was murdered before this book could be published. Cynthia recalls that during one particular Thanksgiving meal, a sinister remark was made by George Schneider (Phil’s brother). The subject of Groom Lake came up, and Phil was discussing how George was a test pilot who flew TOP SECRET aircraft out of Area 51. George became noticeably anxious, and told Phil to stop talking about such things or “he might just end up dead”.


Phil Schneider’s legacy

Ultimately, Phil Schneider left behind many more questions than answers. A significant amount of material that he presented remains impossible to independently verify. His conspiratorial views of an imminent government take-over, with its associated “alien agenda” are now established pop-culture themes explored throughout countless blogs in cyberspace. Was he involved in the building of deep underground military bases? Financial records and documents saved by his ex-wife Cynthia Drayer indicate that he indeed was. Did he participate in the so called “Dulce Wars” of 1979? Until further supporting evidence is revealed, this question must remain in the so-called “gray basket”. However, Phil’s relentless crusade for additional government accountability is something that all Americans should take to heart.

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[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

Hi All,

Here is a video i found.
The guy who made the videos, well, his first language is not English, so excuse his English.



THE MOON, an alien UFO base, a satellite that doesn't belong to us.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uf4xv0IW4Ig





Brain Damage/Eclipse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sy8iUI_ayuo



Babe,
xoxo

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

Throughout his lecture tours across America, Phil stated that his father Oscar was involved with both the Philadelphia Experiment, and Operations Crossroads. Oscar had been a Captain in the Navy, and served as a medical doctor. He also stated that his father made a death-bed confession indicating that he was a U-boat Captain in Germany during World War II. Extensive research by historians has been unable to link the name Oscar Schneider to any fleet associated with the Third Reich. The Philadelphia Experiment dealt with the feasibility of making U.S. Navy warships invisible to enemy radar. Documents saved by Phil’s ex-wife indicate that Oscar Schneider had a “COSMIC” security clearance, and that he participated in the autopsy of the crew members of the U.S.S. Eldridge (DE-173). During his marriage to Cynthia Drayer, Phil claimed that the military industrial complex had succeeded in miniaturizing some of the technology associated with the Philadelphia Experiment which could make a soldier disappear. This led to a portable device that could be worn on a person’s belt.



Invisible Soldier at 02:45
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3ZkGjgQ9Kg

Invisible tank
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=py1P2vVfnl8


Is there a connection?

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r82fW--XFVw

[martin48]

Just to say, I like the avatar - "something cool to slip into, sir"

[trish]

During August of 1979, Phil Schneider (government geologist, Skunk Works engineer and black ops contractor) was commissioned to take part in a deep drilling operation at Dulce NM. During the sinking of the initial four shafts, it became clear that many of the lasers and mechanical components of the tunnel boring machine (TBM) were coming up broken. Mr. Schneider and a number of other geologists were elected to travel down the shaft via a basket to determine what the problem was. Upon arriving at the bottom of the shaft (which was 2-1/2 miles deep), a “horrible” discovery was made. It became immediately apparent that they had broken through into a large cavern that was infested with aliens. The creatures were described as a type 1 seven foot tall “grey”. Mr. Schneider was able to kill two of the creatures but was hit by a light green Cobalt radiation beam that was fired by one of the aliens. Badly injured and burned, but still alive, Phil was placed in the elevator basket and began the long trip to the surface, while an intense fire-fight continued to rage in the cavern below. In the commotion, a total of 66 secret service agents along with members of the FBI and black berets were struck and killed by the aliens. Phil was one of only three survivors of the event. This alleged confrontation has come to be known as the as the “Dulce Wars”.When Phil completed his 2 1/2 mile ascent and finally emerged into the bright sunlight, he gazed upon his shadow and announced, "We're gonna have at least six more weeks of Summer."

[Laphroaig]

[CENTER]


Throughout his lecture tours across America, Phil stated that his father Oscar was involved with both the Philadelphia Experiment, and Operations Crossroads. Oscar had been a Captain in the Navy, and served as a medical doctor. He also stated that his father made a death-bed confession indicating that he was a U-boat Captain in Germany during World War II. Extensive research by historians has been unable to link the name Oscar Schneider to any fleet associated with the Third Reich.


Advanced Aircraft and Stealth Technology

Regarding TOP SECRET stealth aircraft, Phil Schneider made a number of absolutely incredible claims. Some of these claims appear to be inconsistent with the findings of established and well respected aerospace publications such as Janes Defense Weekly, and Aviation Week Technology. According to Phil, 157 F-117A Stealth Fighters were built which used LIDAR (Light Detection and Ranging), and CEIR (Computer Enhanced Imaging Radar), that has a resolution of one inch to 30,000 miles. Phil also stated that the remaining ninety-eight Stealth Fighters were signed over to the United Nations. At least two of these statements are completely false. Internal Lockheed (Burbank) records indicate that a grand total of fifty-nine F-117A Stealth Fighters were built, with the last one being delivered in the summer of 1990.

After retirement on April 22, 2008 a few aircraft were donated to museums, one was scrapped, and the remaining airframes were put into permanent flyable storage at TTR (Tonopah Test Range) in Nevada (see above photo). There is absolutely no record of any secret squadron of Stealth Fighters which were handed over to the U.N. In addition, Phil stated that the F-117A included as its arsenal, rockets, four large bombs, cruise missiles, cannon fire, and provisions for a second crew member in the nose. Each one of these statements is categorically false. The Stealth Fighter never had provisions for “hard points” which would facilitate in the launching of rockets. These attachment points would increase the RCS (Radar Cross Section) of the aircraft, thereby defeating its original intended purpose of evading enemy radar. The bomb bay in the F-117A was specifically designed to carry only two bombs (GBU-10 Paveway II laser guided). There simply is not enough room to carry four, let alone a significantly larger cruise missile. Phil’s statement that the F-117A incorporates provisions for a second crewmember is totally false. With all the room being taken up by the pilot, avionics, weapons, hydraulics, and the laser target designator, there is simply no space left for a second seat.

In addition, Schneider claimed that the F-117A was the first aircraft to utilize a special helmet worn by the pilot which incorporated “Psycho-energetic range finding technology”. This technology Schneider states was copied from the Russians. Essentially, the pilot thinks in his own language, which automatically arms his weapons. This statement is false. The helmets worn by Stealth Fighter pilots are standard issue USAF equipment. Lockheed was quick to realize that “re-inventing the wheel” would significantly increase the overall cost of the F-117 program. Therefore, pre-existing off the shelf components were used throughout the aircraft. A Forward looking Infrared (FLIR) system built by Texas Instruments was used for low level navigation and weapons aiming. This was used in conjunction with a color Multi-Function Display (MFD) manufactured by Honeywell. No “wizz-bang” techno helmets here.

In a few of his lectures, Phil claimed that the coatings on the F-117A glow red hot after each mission, and that they drip off (referred to as “Aurora drops”). Phil also stated that there is a “secret periodic table of elements”, and that the skins of the F-117 were made from Element 123 aka Unbitium (Ubt). However, it is known that the structure of the F-117A is primarily built out of aluminum with a few engine/exhaust components made from Titanium. The exterior skin the F-117A is comprised of RAM (Radar Absorbent Material). Originally, this material was applied to the structure of the Stealth Fighter by way of large flexible sheets. Later on, the process was fully automated, and computer controlled spray nozzles were used. The exact composition of this material remains classified. However, it is known that RAM partially consists of thousands of tiny iron ferrite balls which help to absorb radar. Therefore, since the exact composition of RAM remains a closely guarded secret, there may be a sliver of truth in Phil’s statement regarding Element 123.

Another unsubstantiated claim made by Phil is that a material known as “Mirranite” is used in the construction of stealth aircraft. Phil also stated that both the F-117A and Northrop B-2 Stealth Bomber incorporate “alien metals” beyond Element 109. A search of the known periodic table of Elements yielded no such “Mirranite”. Also, it is well known that Carbon Fiber composites were used extensively in the building of the B-2. Phil states that the jet engines which power the Stealth Fighter use a nuclear reactor for high altitude flight. This seems totally absurd due to the fact that the F-117 is known to use two off-the-shelf General Electric F404-F1D2 turbo-fan engines. This is the same power-plant which is used on the F/A-18 Hornet. Down-sizing a nuclear reactor to fit inside the fuselage of such a small aircraft would be hard enough, not to mention radiation shielding issues, and contaminated radioactive nuclear fall-out material which would have exited the elongated exhaust ports.


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Ok Babe, now you are getting desperate. As far as I can see you are taking "evidence" from a proven lier (see above examples from your own post) to further the case for the existence of aliens.

Stealth ships do exist but they are not exactly a secret.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2603374/The-U-S-Navys-futuristic-ship-Just-Christened-Its-Most-Futuristic-Ship-Ever.html

"Schneider claimed that the F-117A was the first aircraft to utilize a special helmet worn by the pilot which incorporated “Psycho-energetic range finding technology”. This technology Schneider states was copied from the Russians."

Have you read the novel "Firefox" by Craig Thomas or watched the Clint Eastwood film of the same name, based on it? The above "technology" has been directly lifted from there.

ps. invisible to radar is not the same thing as invisible to the naked eye. You seem to be getting the two things confused, oh and the "Firefox" was invisible to radar as well...

[Laphroaig]

On the subject of element 123, Unbitium (Ubt). Quite simply, it's not been found yet but it's been given the placeholder name of "Unbitrium" for when it is discovered.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Gcchemistry/Unbitrium

As for Mirranite, it's curious that in Star Trek, "Murinite" is element 123. I'll leave you to draw your own conclusions...

http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Murinite

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

Hi all,

(I don't know all of the right words to use but)... I have read somewhere in Star Trek sites, a while ago, that Gene Roddenberry was given some"technological advice" from either top scientists or science advisers from NASA or people from some place like that, in order to help him make the show seem more authentic so the show would definitely stand out from other sci-fi shows from that time.
Other sci-fi shows like My Favorite Matrian didn't have anything like the stuff seen on Star Trek.
We can assume no one would be able to identify anything that was real at the time because some of the Star Trek gizmos were so "classified?" and unknown that people would just think they were cool sci-fi ideas. Of course they didn't always use the proper "scientific terms" for everything, but in some cases, they DID use the same terms, as some of it was real stuff that was being reversed engineered and was being studied from real alien crafts Don't ask me what because i am not a big Treky.

It appears to us as though Gene Roddenberry 'thought up' all of this stuff by himself. Not so.
Go ahead and laugh, if you want. It's what they want you to do - but first - take a quick look at Gene Roddenberry's backgound.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_Roddenberry#Military_service_and_civil_aviati on_.281941.E2.80.931949.29
"In 1941, he joined the United States Army Air Corps, which in the same year became the United States Army Air Forces. He began training at Goodfellow Field (now Goodfellow Air Force Base) in San Angelo, Texas with other Civilian Pilot Training alums and graduated as a second lieutenant in September 1942, Class G.
He flew combat missions in the Pacific Theatre with the "Bomber Barons" of the 394th Bomb Squadron, 5th Bombardment Group, of the Thirteenth Air Force and on August 2, 1943, Roddenberry was piloting a B-17E Flying Fortress named the "Yankee Doodle," from Espiritu Santo, New Hebrides, when mechanical failure caused it to crash on take-off. In total, he flew eighty-nine missions for which he was awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross and the Air Medal before being honorably discharged at the rank of captain in July 1945." - Wikipedia.

Now you want to think that his air force friends weren't giving him little ideas, here and there, while "chewing the fat" about the old days in the service?

Take a look at all the ex-military people who appeared in the casts of Star Trek.
Scroll down near the bottom of the page.
This page is pretty interesting because it shows how Roddenberry incorporated his military background into Star Trek.
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/database/military_references.htm

Oh yea, Phil Schneider was such a liar about his claims about special metals and other top secret stuff he discussed with his military father who happened to hold a high level Cosmic Security Clearance because Star Trek happened to mention some ideas based on top secret stuff?
The same way Stavros mentions that there was a comic-book super-hero named Valiant Thor and so because of that, the real life alien Commander Val Valiant Thor couldn't possibly exist even though Phil Schneider showed an actual photograph of that guy sitting in the same room with his dad, Oscar Schneider.

Man, you self-proclaimed "scientists" sure are out of the loop lol when you start disbelieving real, high-level, ex-government and military personnel and astronaut whistle blowers who were all there and saw it all, just because your favorite television shows, B-movies, and comic books portrayed some of the "truth" as science "fiction".

Phil Schneider was telling everyone, in his audiences about an unknown element which, according to Lap the Scott, was mentioned in Star Trek episodes.
Now we see the tricorder being developed.
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/ames/researchpark/news/partners/2013/scanaduscout_prt.htm

And more....
http://mentalfloss.com/article/31876/12-star-trek-gadgets-now-exist

Trish, most of the questions you've asked me concerning my views on Darwin's theory of human evolution and "evoution" have already been addressed in this thread. Please, go back and re-read my words, perhaps with less...uhmm...frustration or...i don't know the right word to use.
In any event, i won't re-type everything.
Just because you lost your time quoting me and asking me to re-explain, doesn't mean i want to lose my time when i've already mentioned it all. I wrote a long response the first time.

I never said i didn't believe in "evolution" per se. I was clearly referring to Darwin's theory, and that was already mentioned by me in this thread.
Once i stated i don't believe in Darwin's theory, you immediately brought up "evolution" of aliens (and i addressed that too, already) and bronco mentioned evolution of species which is not really connected to Darwin's theory of human evolution (i think). You and bronco both started discussing "evolution" as if i said i didn't believe in evolution.

I have never studied Darwin's theory in any great depth. I did read about it, and as time went on, i've learned other things that basically shot his theory down, in my mind - meaning, the whole discussion of ancient civilizations and the whole Anunnaki story and how these stories were plagiarized to create "Bible stories". That whole topic has really made me begin to question Biblical stories and my opinions of all religions, in general. Something doesn't look right to me when the leaders of the Holy dogmas, who supposedly base "everything" they teach on "truths", refuse to accept what could bring them down. You know?...there's a dead mouse in the pudding and they silently remove the dead mouse and say,
"No! There wasn't a dead mouse in the pudding. God will damn whoever said there was a dead mouse in the pudding! We don't believe or accept that there was a dead mouse in THE PUDDING".
And then, under their breath, they mutter to the one who found the mouse,
"Flush that damned mouse down the toilet before they see it!"

Why?? Why hide the truth? Why hide the possibility OF a real truth? For the Holy economy?...My God!...are we ever screwed AND without a condom.
Them, there, hiding historical facts or knowledge from us just so they can continue the lies and the charade which built up the civilization to be as misguided as we are, is totally wrong. Instead of them making things right, they perpetuate the lies that will bring about a total one global government one day. It's happening - just look around with your EYES OPEN, this time.

Trish, Your groundhog day comparison to Phil Schneider being pulled up in the basket was completely hilarious (you should consider doing stand-up comedy - i am still laughing lol) although (big frown) it's really mean because he was severely wounded in that alien encounter.
Laughing at someone almost dying is not a good quality as YOU should well know. Hmmmmm.
I've recently found a video of him showing the chest wound from the alien's laser. He lifts up his shirt and shows the camera the HUGE scar.
What...now?...someone will say he had open heart surgery and that's what caused the scar? My gosh!
Did you see his left hand and the missing fingers? Someone will say he was cutting carrots and missed?

Your video link of the guy explaining a double reflection of an image of the sun is interesting when explaining the two suns of the same size. Thanks for finding that as it does answer the question i had asked.
But he doesn't really explain when there are people recording videos of a smaller sun and planets in a cluster moving with a star appearing first, then being covered up by OUR Sun rising soon after. I would think scientists would have mentioned that refraction/reflection youtube video.
So i am not sure if that still applies to a smaller further away sun first rising followed by the huge Sun as it apparent not does with Nibiru.


Bronco, no one is able to say how or from what and whom aliens evolved, if they even evolved. Don't ask me from where they've evolved or whether i think Darwin's theory of evolution pertains to their evolution - it would only appear very pretentious and pedantic trying to convince people of my ignorant beliefs on THAT topic - and i would think the same thing about anyone (hint hint) who even would waste time typing things that would try to say that alien evolution is even remotely similar to any terrestrial "evolution" be it a bug or a germ or a bacteria etc.
The average human (even highly educated ones) know nothing about the evolution of "intelligent" alien species.
Perhaps the guys at the "multi-functioning" Military Base called area 51 could elaborate more on from where these aliens had evolved, as those guys interviewed the creatures and probably know all about them. But of course, that's all been faked, right.

Laphroaig, the author of the article of Phil Schneider's amazing ET claims had even said,himself, that his report was a skeptical one. Let's not forget who pays him, too.

Those science mags you want me to read are giving you the steady, slow flow of old science that is presented as "new". They are spoon feeding you according to the system from which you were educated you still follow.
Maybe you can't handle anymore information than that, you make it seem.
I don't know if you've seen this movie about Roswell before but you could always watch it.
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showpost.php?p=1579839&postcount=77
I don't think that there is any other "military base" that the public is more interested in knowing about than Area 51. Too many whistle blowers are saying that it's much more than "just a military base".
It seems to everyone else but you Lap the Scott, that area 51 is a lot more than just a military base. That must come from reading too many science magazines.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48LAxdnW46Y
I suppose you went THERE, too, and stood at the front gate, and that verifys all you may have heard about Area 51? I will spank you one day for being so naughty and haughty.

Schneider's dad, Oscar, had a history in the military and was no mere foot soldier. He had Cosmic level security clearance, so he would know of certain things that not one of us would know about. Oscar is sitting in that same that photo that shows the-big-necked Val Valiant Thor. gain, i have no idea who the business-suited-Val-Thor is but i did give my opinion on the whole Rev. Frank Stranges version of the story. (So let's not go there again, [to Stavros]).

There are, also, several amazing lectures and statements by Al Bielek. Here is an interesting 2 hour and 40+ minutes interview in two parts with Al Bielek in which he discussed aliens, time travel and so much more. Rivoting!
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/montauk/esp_montauk_0.htm

Time travel
http://beforeitsnews.com/beyond-science/2013/09/time-trave-claiml-al-bielek-travels-to-the-28th-century-2443678.html

And here, Al Bielek talks about Oscar and Phil Schneider, tall grey aliens, and more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuvgTiqlfNk#t=2340

Phil Schneider was working in conjunction (with a secret physicist whose name was never disclosed) on what is commonly known on television as a "Star Gate". Phil Schneider was no crack-pot by any means. He was a serioyus character who knew what he was talking about. I am surprised that the "HA committee on all topics scientific" are so closed minded.
Having listened to a few lectures, i really think that "secret physicist" working with Phil Scheider was, in fact, Al Beilek.

And the technology mentioned, that could make subs, soldiers, and soon, tanks to disappear was being re-developed (or reversed engineered) by humans in the days of Oscar Schneider was not a long time ago, really.
People intersted in learing something really should listen to Al Bielek's interview in which he talks about the Schneiders.

That sort of technology doesn't just get thought up "just like that one day by accident" even though they might want us to think that.
Phil Schneider and other top level personnel who became whistle-blowers mentioned how aliens wore a gadget that could make them invisible.

I don't mean to insult any of you, but you are in no position to act like you know more than any of those eye witnesses.
And i have no idea how you benefit by going out of your way to discredit these great men in this thread by calling them liars, or kooks, when you probably only heard of them for the first time here. Just because i bring it up, it's all sillyness?
I don't know why you think you know everything just because you are in the field of science. I highly doubt that neither of you are at the high level of knowledge of those whistle blowers. And, again, as i've said to trish before, it's very ignorant to refuse to accept anything just because you haven't heard of it before.

Why would i choose to read science magazines which are controlled, when i can, instead, listen to real scientists, physicists astronauts, and so many others who became whistle blowers?

A real scientist considers and examines the possibilities of the unknown as that is what science is all about - discovery!
It's a challenge to the scientific mind to apply the scientific method.
Open your minds to new ideas instead of patting each other on the back for being as ignorant as the other is by quoting old ideas and old book titles.
I don't care if fred41 or bronco falls in love with a book trish suggests or whatever, as that just proves my "Theory of the Evolution of Ignorance" or if you prefer a more simplistic term, let's call it, the "Pass It Around" theory - no original thought required - just follow along and i will say you're as smart as me".
The "Committee of Ignorance".

It's a wonder how you all got to be so "smart" being as close minded and fairly ignorant as you all appear in this thread.

If you think the people in charge of Area 51 and NASA and the Space Agency are being transparent about what they know, then you are really the hopeless ones.

I am not convinced at all by much that has been written in here by others, except for the video trish posted as to why we can see "two" large suns side-by-side. But again, i will repeat that if this is such basic knowledge, why are scientists still talking about the existance of Nibiru and the second sun? They overlooked it?

Stanton Friedman mentions Frank Drake's equation (dartboard science), Carl Sagan, Enrico Fermi, SETI, Stephen Hawking.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyWQ4W3Rqm0

I'd rather listen to men like Mr. Friedman and Phil Schneider, than to read a "science magazine" if i want to learn something, thanks just the same...i wouldn't want to limit myself by reading what you are reading which causes you to laugh at the stuff i'm discussing.



Babe,
http://www.animated-gifs.eu/emoticons-aliens/0007.gif
xoxo

[trish]

Trish, most of the questions you've asked me concerning my views on Darwin's theory of human evolution and "evoution" have already been addressed in this thread. Please, go back and re-read my words, perhaps with less...uhmm...frustration or...i don't know the right word to use.
In any event, i won't re-type everything.
Just because you lost your time quoting me and asking me to re-explain, doesn't mean i want to lose my time when i've already mentioned it all. I wrote a long response the first time.
Once i stated i don't believe in Darwin's theory, you immediately brought up "evolution" of aliens (and i addressed that too, already) and bronco mentioned evolution of species which is not really connected to Darwin's theory of human evolution (i think). ... Really?

My questions were in a detailed response to that long post to which you refer. They arose from issues about which you were obviously confused. It’s fine with me if you prefer not to respond to them, but please don’t pretend that you already settled these confusions. You’re obviously still confused.


Trish, Your groundhog day comparison to Phil Schneider being pulled up in the basket was completely hilarious (you should consider doing stand-up comedy - i am still laughing lol) although (big frown) it's really mean because he was severely wounded in that alien encounter.
Laughing at someone almost dying is not a good quality as YOU should well know. Hmmmmm.So Phil says he is a geologist, an engineer and a black ops contractor. Lockheed, according to Phil, decided to hire this (self-taught) geologist to work on a Top Secret Government Contract. No, not Top Secret––the classification was COSMIC. That turned out to be a big mistake, ‘cause Phil obviously can’t be trusted to keep a secret. According to Phil, Lockheed sent him and a bunch of geologists down a drill hole to diagnose a problem with the drilling equipment. At the bottom of the hole Phil discovers a cavern. Phil finds that it’s swarming with aliens––to be specific: type 1 greys. They attack him. He takes out two of them. Then he’s shot with what was readily identified as a green cobalt radiation beam :rolleyes:. His comrade geologists threw him into a basket and sent him up the shaft while apparently more than sixty six armed Secret Service agents are sent down to do battle with the greys. Secret Service Agents? Was the President there? We know they were Secret Service Agents, ‘cause Phil said so. We know it was more than sixty six, because that how many Phil says died in the ensuing battle. Phil was quite a hero. We know, ‘cause Phil said so. Not only do we have Phil’s word for it, there are some rocks which aren’t what Phil said they were. We know this is all true, ‘cause Phil told this story over and over again in his books and lectures which he sold and delivered for a modest living––after he gave up more lucrative pursuits like geology, engineering and black-oping. One thing for sure, Phil tells a good joke, and he deserves a good laugh.

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

Hi Trish

I never once stated i was confused about Darwin's theory.
I never said Phil Schneider had cosmic security clearance. You seem to get it wrong - too busy assuming what you THOUGHT i wrote.

The difference between you and me is that when you suggest i read links, i actually, read them and i even comment on them.
But you, you seem to ignore what i post and just say i am confused, and then Lap chimes in with bronco and then you all seem to think if three disagree with one that the three are correct.

I either answered/commented on evolution or i directly responded, and you missed it. And you still asked me to re-explain because you seem confused about what i had written

Sorry, but i still like ya.

Babe,
xoxo

[CD_Sasha]

This thread alone is as big as a bible.

I want to hear AshleyCreamer's and LISEAN's opinion on this poll. Maybe also hear TopAsh's opinion.

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

So Phil says he is a geologist, an engineer and a black ops contractor. Lockheed, according to Phil, decided to hire this (self-taught) geologist to work on a Top Secret Government Contract. No, not Top Secret––the classification was COSMIC. That turned out to be a big mistake, ‘cause Phil obviously can’t be trusted to keep a secret. According to Phil, Lockheed sent him and a bunch of geologists down a drill hole to diagnose a problem with the drilling equipment. At the bottom of the hole Phil discovers a cavern. Phil finds that it’s swarming with aliens––to be specific: type 1 greys. They attack him. He takes out two of them. Then he’s shot with what was readily identified as a green cobalt radiation beam :rolleyes:. His comrade geologists threw him into a basket and sent him up the shaft while apparently more than sixty six armed Secret Service agents are sent down to do battle with the greys. Secret Service Agents? Was the President there? We know they were Secret Service Agents, ‘cause Phil said so. We know it was more than sixty six, because that how many Phil says died in the ensuing battle. Phil was quite a hero. We know, ‘cause Phil said so. Not only do we have Phil’s word for it, there are some rocks which aren’t what Phil said they were. We know this is all true, ‘cause Phil told this story over and over again in his books and lectures which he sold and delivered for a modest living––after he gave up more lucrative pursuits like geology, engineering and black-oping. One thing for sure, Phil tells a good joke, and he deserves a good laugh.

Hi again trish,

You even have most of all that wrong. You don't listen when people speak, and you seem to not read what people write.
Sorry, but look how fast you took to respond.
Lightening fast responses from someone (you) who can't be bothered to learn what others (not me) but other physicists say.

You are more informed than Al Bielek was and Stanton Friedman?...and the others ones were clowns?...too?
My gosh.

You really have to listen to Phil, and Al Bielek explain the situation as to WHY Phil started to leak information.

But you won't do that - you're too..."stuck up".


Babe,
xoxo

[Laphroaig]

This thread alone is as big as a bible.

I want to hear AshleyCreamer's and LISEAN's opinion on this poll. Maybe also hear TopAsh's opinion.


Sasha, You're welcome to join in. :)

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

Yeah Laphroaig needs more egg throwers
If you don't like it move on to the naked pics.

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

Hi all,

Many of the responses in this thread clearly indicate how people believe cover ups.
Sad.

It's okay folks, trish and Lap say that all the real scientists are wrong - except them. lol
I just can't figure out WHY it is so important to trish, bronco and Lap to prove the scientists to be wrong.


Babe,
xoxo

[Laphroaig]

Babe

These are genuine questions for you.

Why do you believe the Alien theories and what is it about them that makes them more convincing to you than the rational scientific explanations that you've been given in this thread?

You've stated before that you know how sift the truth from the false information on the net, so how do how do you decide what is true and what isn't?

[Laphroaig]

Yeah Laphroaig needs more egg throwers
If you don't like it move on to the naked pics.

You never know, someone might be on your side, miracles can happen...

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

Hi all,


Snowden Leaks, "Tall White Aliens Control USA!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQJrrcweoNA


Babe,
xoxo

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

Phil Schneider's Last Speech ~ Two Months Before His Assassination ~ Aliens & Underground Base.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Slgb5U-OqFM


Babe,
xoxo

[Stavros]

[QUOTE=Dahlia Babe Ailhad;1581625]
The same way Stavros mentions that there was a comic-book super-hero named Valiant Thor and so because of that, the real life alien Commander Val Valiant Thor couldn't possibly exist even though Phil Schneider showed an actual photograph of that guy sitting in the same room with his dad, Oscar Schneider.
-- Ok, Dahlia I confess I made an error. In writing that post from memory I called the cartoon character Valiant Thor when his name in Space Adventures is Val Tor. See the difference? The photo of Thor you refer to is of an officer who was attending that meeting -I saw him named somewhere but didn't note it down, and anyway, the man in that photo is completely different from the other alleged photos of our elusive Venusian Commander. You consistently refuse to acknowledge that Frank Stranges was a Christian evangelist who used the concept of Venusians/Planet of Love to confirm that Jesus rose from the dead and lives in eternal life. There is not much more to say about it, because there is not a shred of evidence to support the claim that ETs came from Venus, any more than Sheila Gibson can claim to be a 400 year old Venusian with special powers, other than an ability to part fools from their money.

I have never studied Darwin's theory in any great depth. I did read about it, and as time went on, i've learned other things that basically shot his theory down, in my mind - meaning, the whole discussion of ancient civilizations and the whole Anunnaki story and how these stories were plagiarized to create "Bible stories". That whole topic has really made me begin to question Biblical stories and my opinions of all religions, in general.
--Dahlia, if you took a more rounded interest in anthropology you might be aware that many religious texts from different parts of the world, incorporating dietary rules, modes of dress, rituals associated with birth, marriage, death and burial/cremation, the transition from childhood to adulthood, and all the big issues like why are we here and how did we get here, show similarities which to Claude Levi-Strauss indicated that humans have a structural affinity which can be discerned in myth, language and ritual, so the claims made by one religion that others are false is merely part of the development of that religion for that local culture, which in turn helps explain the hostility shown by religious groups who share the same geography. Elements of Islam have been taken from Judaism and Christianity, while incorporating pagan rituals that were practised in Arabia before Muhammad was born. There is no conspiracy here at all, but the evidence that has been gathered does not support the influence of extra-terrestrials, all of it shows that it is the work of earth-bound humans -including, of course, a belief in ETs

A real scientist considers and examines the possibilities of the unknown as that is what science is all about - discovery!
It's a challenge to the scientific mind to apply the scientific method.
Open your minds to new ideas instead of patting each other on the back for being as ignorant as the other is by quoting old ideas and old book titles.
--You ask the right questions about ETs, but when you get the right answers, which show that your claims are either false or unverifiable, you turn against the truth and insist that you are right. It really is very very simple, if ETs existed, we would know about it. The USA is not the only country in the world, and you still can't explain why all those ETs from galaxies far far away are white guys -have you never wondered why Aliens are never Black? And all those ETs who are buddies of Jesus and Buddha, but have never heard of Moses, Abraham or Muhammad -or L Ron Hubbard, why do you think that is?

I have not denied the existence of alien life outside Earth, but I have suggested it does not come in the form of super intelligent white guys who love Jesus, and I doubt it looks like a giant, malevolent mosquito. The truth is often disappointing, like life itself.

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

oh brother. So negative.

[Laphroaig]

I think this sums it all up nicely. :)

[CD_Sasha]

You never know, someone might be on your side, miracles can happen...

LMAO, sorry but that had me chuckle in this train ride

[Laphroaig]

oh brother. So negative.


What's negative about believing in human endevour, enterprise and discovery rather than believing that it was all handed down to us by aliens?

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ua4t-xPLVA

“ Two Little Men in a Flying Saucer “

Two little men in a flying saucer flew down to Earth one day
Looked to left and right of it, couldn’t stand the sight of it and said let’s fly away
They took a look at a Western movie, somebody heard them say
If a horse can be a star, think how dumb the people are
We’d better fly away

Then they shook their little green antennas, scratched their purple hair
Said this planet is an awful menace, let’s go back to where we came from

Two little men in a flying saucer just didn’t care to stay
Said it’s too peculiar here, headed for the stratosphere and quickly flew away

Now they took a left in Ebbets Field in Brooklyn when the Dodgers played a baseball game
Heard all the screaming, said we must be dreaming ‘cause this planet is insane
During intermission, heard a politician making speeches as they traveled by
But they departed faster than they started ‘cause the holler blew them sky high

Two little men in a flying saucer flew down to Earth one day
Listened to a radio, saw a television show and said let’s fly away
They got their fill of commercial jingles and they were heard to say
All the people seem to be living in a nursery we’d better fly away

Traveled all around and once they’d seen us said let’s head for space
We were better off on Mars and Venus, goodness what a place to live in

Two little men in a flying saucer just didn’t care to stay
Crossed a crowded thoroughfare, saw the hats the women wear and quickly flew away
And quickly flew away

One look and then they flew away.

Babe,
xoxo

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

I think this sums it all up nicely. :)


The
Truth
Hurts
Babe





What truth hurts?


What's negative about believing in human endevour, enterprise and discovery rather than believing that it was all handed down to us by aliens?


Did i say that anything was "handed down to us by aliens"?
It seems the scientists have said that.

Humans made a mess of it, perhaps. I would say that.

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

What i find so negative is that people search for fault instead of truth.

[Laphroaig]

What truth hurts?


Did i say that anything was "handed down to us by aliens"?
It seems the scientists have said that.

Humans made a mess of it, perhaps. I would say that.


For the first question, You need to find that out for yourself.

hint: youtube won't give you the answer.

For the second, you claim that aliens genetically engineered humans to make them more intelligent. That would take much of human development out of our hands.

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ttyt5FLBBM

" Hat Too Flat "

We come in on the morning scan
All the way from far Arcturus
Bringing with us peace and good will
From the margins of space and time
Our women are slung down low to the ground
They're very good you've probably had one
Our men are brave, studly and wise,
A pleasure to behold
Right away we walk the walk
More or less we talk the talk
But every time we make our play
Their eyes get wide they run away

'Cause the hat stays too flat
My hat is way too flat
My English she is much better now
But my hat remains too flat
The man smells a rat
And that's the end of that
My English it is more better now
But my hat is still too flat

Fair Arcturus Fashion forecast:
Skirts will be shorter
Legs stay long
Virtual raincoats are coming back
Hats as always continued flat

Back at home the machines work hard
We folk like to take it easy
Honing our awareness of
The finer things in life
Here when I go down to my job
I work hard for what seems like a long time
I look at my watch: fifteen minutes
It felt like half a day!
Pretty soon we break for lunch
Me and the boys now I'm one of the bunch
But no one wants to sit with me
So tell me what can the matter be?

The hat stays too flat
My hat is way too flat
My English she is much better now
But the hat is just too flat
A little thing like that
They don't get past the hat
My English it is more better now
But my hat remains too flat

Babe,
xoxo

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

The Vatican doesn't deny aliens exist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_BBSgO8o4U

Look how mankind is SO unbelievably arrogant.
They want to BAPTIZE even the aliens!!
I hate to think what would happen when the aliens REFUSE to be baptized and maybe decide to baptize the Vatican, instead.
What would the pope do, then....order the aliens be shot?? LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Uu4zX8S2Kc

Babe,
xoxo

[trish]

I never once stated i was confused about Darwin's theory. Nor did I ever once say that you did. What I said is that you WERE confused about Darwin’s theory of evolution, and that I have tried (and apparently failed) to correct those confusions in post #100 (Sasha’s right, this thread’s as long as the Bible!). It’s the difference between being confused and admitting you’re confused. Here’s an example of one such confusion->


Once i stated i don't believe in Darwin's theory, you immediately brought up "evolution" of aliens (and i addressed that too, already) and bronco mentioned evolution of species which is not really connected to Darwin's theory of human evolution (i think).
Darwin’s theory of evolution is a theory about speciation. Speciation is the process by which one species evolves from another. Darwin’s suggestion is that speciation proceeds by selection acting upon the hereditary traits of a population of organisms. In a domestic setting this selection can be artificial (e.g. we may choose to plant those seeds which produce the biggest or sweetest fruits––in the hope that sweetness or size are hereditary). In the wild, nature “selects” those hereditary traits that benefit survival. A second element of the theory relies on the observation that the fidelity of reproduction isn’t one-hundred percent and consequently new traits may occasionally appear within a population and “offer” themselves for selection. In Darwin’s second book, The Descent of Man, he applies this notion of natural selection to the arrival of the species to which you and I belong, namely Homo sapiens. Thus, indeed, Darwin’s theory of speciation has everything to do with his theory of “human evolution.”

Another example of a confusion can be seen in the following exchange. In post #87 I asked, “If you don't believe in evolution, then who made the aliens...and the aliens who made the aliens?” Your response in post #88 was
Oh Trisk,
You mean, you think aliens evolved from primates?I hope you can see now that my remark entails no such craziness. It’s difficult to surmise how confused someone has to be to even come up with such a reply.

It’s okay to be confused. Especially about Darwin’s theory of speciation. A lot of people have been. Our dispute isn’t even about the truth of theory––only about what it says. So it’s an easy thing to clear up. You’re an intelligent person. You can be self-correcting.

Our larger dispute is on the scientific merit of the claims you made in this thread concerning the planet Nibiru, the Anunnaki, green cobalt radiation beams etc. I gave you some arguments (based on gravitational theory) that (to my mind) render the existence of Nibiru and its dark star extremely unlikely. My opinion on the scientific merit of the Nibiru story aligns with that of the scientific community at large. I realize that alignment with scientific authority is a negative in your book. But I see no reason to take offense. We can cheerily disagree and continue demonstrate the silliness of one another’s assumptions.

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

Cast your vote and move on. Stop arguing with me for having my beliefs.

[trish]

What i find so negative is that people search for fault instead of truth.

We converge upon the truth when we sound out our hypotheses eliminate the false.

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

The Vatican doesn't deny aliens exist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_BBSgO8o4U

Look how mankind is SO unbelievably arrogant.
They want to BAPTIZE even the aliens!!
I hate to think what would happen when the aliens REFUSE to be baptized and maybe decide to baptize the Vatican, instead.
What would the pope do, then....order the aliens be shot?? LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Uu4zX8S2Kc





You know?...i see exactly that happening: the Vatican will proclaim the aliens are being hostile because they are refusing to be baptized.
And that will cause hatred against the aliens because the Vatican will say aliens are the anti christ. They will stop at nothing to maintain control over their "flock" of "sheeple".
By the aliens agreeing to be baptized would make the pope and the church higher than the aliens.
It would be like Jesus or whoever returning to reclaim His "throne", and the Vatican will set out rules and regulations and if He (or the aliens) do not go for it, THAT's when the final wars will begin.

The Vatican will baptize the aliens lolol Ha ha ha! I'll be watching TV that day, that's for sure.

Babe,
xoxo

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

Hi everybody,

I am going to watch the 2012 movie called, Prometheus, now.
I found it on a site for free.

It's all about...

"Following clues to the origin of mankind a team journey across the universe and find a structure on a distant planet containing a monolithic statue of a humanoid head and stone cylinders of alien blood but they soon find they are not alone."



Babe,
xoxo

[trish]

Prometheus was a Titan who sidestepped the war with the Gods by never declaring his fealty to either side, though one gets the feeling he favored Cronos more than Zeus. Some myths credit Prometheus with the creation of the human race and later with stealing fire from the Gods and giving it humans. For this treason, Zeus sentenced Prometheus to eternal torture. In one story Prometheus is chained to a rock. Every day an eagle swoops down and tears out his liver. In the evening the liver grows back and the cycle begins again.

I think both these tales are echoed in the opening of the movie Prometheus. We see a lone god-like being pouring some sort of recombinant material into a stream. The god himself, then deliberately falls in after it to become a part of the a terraforming project. We see him being torn apart and used to form something new...something organic...perhaps us.

I rather liked the film, though the critics seemed not to. I quite liked the android character who was obsessed with the film, Lawrence of Arabia (not a good sign in an android of superior intelligence and strength). I was hoping the second installment would confirm my hypothesis that the god-like extraterrestrial in the opening was a Prometheus-like figure who was acting against the wishes of the other gods by inventing men.

On the other hand, this reading could be entirely off base and the whole movie is really about how the acid-regurgitating, triple-jawed aliens from Ridley Scott’s earlier movies came into being.

Enjoy. (Oh, and don't forget to send a donation to the artists and all the behind the scenes workers who made the film possible.)

[AshlynCreamher]

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/283/235/7e3.jpg

[CD_Sasha]

Even the bear believes in this thread

http://m.quickmeme.com/img/80/80d72d6c60b8cf1d83856947c5796ae2795de6cee62e8dd59d 5baf106b9de8ae.jpg

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

Hi everyone,

Well, if you ever watched the movie, Aliens, you will probably enjoy Prometheus.

I found it to be just another monster movie filmed in the dark, with an ending of false hope. I almost fell asleep twice it was so dark (i mean dark set). It felt like bed-time throughout the film.
It started off so cool and then it just turned into another monster-like sci-fi movie.

I can't discuss things with people who don't view what i post, and who then try to discredit what i say with misquotes and take my comments out of context to try to make a point that is off topic.

Anyone who reads this thread from the beginning will see i was spot on, while others only tried to sidetrack the points. When someone posts a video and says, "see this" and no one watches it but just goes on with the misquotes and so on, it's clear as day.
Enough is enough!

I still see people trying to say i was mistaken or confused. lol


Now, i see peanut gallery comments with bears.
Great input.

NEXT!!

Babe,
xoxo

[broncofan]

Such a child Dahlia. When people disagree with you it's because they didn't read what you said. When they refute what you said, it's because they have taken you out of context, though you can't explain what the context should have been. Had you phrased the poll in an unbiased way, without the second answer having a conclusion followed by a counter-argument appended to it, the results might have been very different. But it's perfectly okay for you to be dishonest while shrilly saying that nobody else seeks the truth with the vigor you do.

[trish]

Babe, every time I directly quote you I copy and paste your exact words into the quote box––like this


I never once stated I was confused about Darwin's theory.
I never said Phil Schneider had cosmic security clearance. You seem to get it wrong - too busy assuming what you THOUGHT I wrote.Sometimes I use an ellipsis but only because you're so verbose. I never said that you said you were confused. Had you done so, I would've regarded it as significant progress. Nor did I ever say that you claimed Phil had a Cosmic Security Clearance. I never attributed that to Michael Schratt either. Indeed I faithfully quoted (in post #108 ) Michael's version of Phil's rhapsody on the Dulce Wars, just so everyone could read the incredible, self-glorifying story word for word for themselves one more time (complete with the green cobalt radiation beam and the sixty-six dead Secret Service agents), before I put it into my own words with commentary (post #112). I like to think Phil would've loved my modest embellishments...and maybe even have adopted them. True story: the last time I headed up a Skunkworks project for Lockheed, I was given Multiple Cosmos Cosmic Quantum Clearance...I just assumed that Phil had the ...well, I shouldn't be talking about it...not without getting paid for it...that story's gold.

[martin48]

I would like to believe many things, but that doesn’t make them likely – let alone true.

Scientific knowledge progresses by guesses; these conjectures are then subjected to severe critical tests, which they may or may not survive. Tests include peer review, others being able to repeat the observations or redo the experiments. You must acknowledge existing knowledge, and you must present sufficient information for some one to repeat the experiment.

A crucial point is that conjectures can never be proved; those conjectures that turn out to be highly resistant to testing are not proven ‘true’, but they are a better approximation to the truth than others. “Proof” is only possible in mathematics – and even then there are axioms.

Hence, science progresses as a process of elimination or falsification. In addition, the argument about whether a given conjecture solves problems better than its competitors constitutes the core rationality of science.

You can disagree with science’s philosophy – assume the least, test by experience and above make predictions. Science informs us that if we apply a flame to a mixture of hydrogen and oxygen, we will get a big bang. Faith-based approaches can not predict. They cannot tell what God will do next, but only look back and say “That was God’s work.”

You can believe what you wish – especially if it gives you comfort, but don’t misuse the evidence of science, or nitpick parts of it. It is like saying that I accept six of the Ten Commandments, and additionally in number 6, what God meant to say was that it was OK to murder black teenagers if you are a cop, etc.

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showpost.php?p=1581985&postcount=25

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

"There's still, kind of, a reptilian side of our brain..." -Barrack Obama

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQ7x8hFYMUQ

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

Move the video timer to 1:47
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWsFOb0aByU

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

The Fourth Kind - 2009

Full movie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDF5M27ZHVs

[Stavros]

The Fourth Kind - 2009
Full movie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDF5M27ZHVs

A critique of this desperately awful film was published in The Guardian in 2009, I recall tracking it down when I first saw the film a year or so ago and was suspicious from the start. The article begins:

The Fourth Kind (http://www.thefourthkind.net/) is, in so many ways, a really awful film. Directed by Olatunde Osunsanmi and released in the UK over the weekend, it purports to be a dramatic reconstruction of events that took place in the city of Nome, Alaska, involving the disappearance of local residents. If you were to accept this film at face value, you would be left in no doubt whatsoever that these disappearances were the result of "close encounters of the fourth kind" – abduction by aliens.
The film employs several far-from-subtle techniques in an attempt to convince viewers that what they are watching is based entirely upon documented evidence. Both the trailer and the film itself open with an assurance to that effect, direct to camera, from the film's star:

"I am actress Milla Jovovich and I will be portraying Dr Abigail Tyler. This film is a dramatisation of events that occurred October 2000. Every scene in this movie is supported by archive footage. Some of what you are about to see is extremely disturbing."
At least the latter statement is accurate, although not for the reasons intended by the filmmakers.
Both trailer and film frequently cut between allegedly real footage of hypnotic regression sessions carried out by psychologist Dr Tyler on her patients and dramatic reconstructions of these same sessions, sometimes employing a split-screen technique to show both simultaneously to "prove" that the reconstructions are 100% accurate. This approach seems to have backfired badly on the filmmakers as most reviews of the film are highly critical of this unconvincing "archive footage".
Kyle Hopkins wrote an excellent piece for the Anchorage Daily News (http://www.adn.com) debunking the movie. He conceded that there is a long history of disappearances and suspicious deaths in Nome. They have been investigated by the FBI who "mostly blamed alcohol and the cruel Alaska winter". Hopkins goes on:

According to promotional materials from Universal, the film is framed around a psychologist named Abigail Tyler who interviewed traumatized patients in Nome. But state licensing examiner Jan Mays says she can't find records of an Abigail Tyler ever being licensed in any profession in Alaska. No one by that name lived in Nome in recent years, according to a search of public record databases.
Still, there is a shred of "evidence." Try Googling "Abigail Tyler" and "Alaska." You'll get a link to a convincingly boring Web site called the "Alaska Psychiatry Journal" – complete with a biography of a psychologist by that name who researched sleep behavior in Nome. Except the site is suspiciously vacant, mostly a collection of articles on sleep studies with no home page or contact information. Ron Adler is CEO and director of the Alaska Psychiatric Institute. Denise Dillard is president of the Alaska Psychological Association. They said this week they've never heard of the Alaska Psychiatry Journal, or of Abigail Tyler.
Hopkins also points out that Nome is not, as portrayed in the film, a city surrounded by beautiful mountains but is instead "a flat tundra town at the shore of the Bering Sea".


Rest of the article is here:
http://www.theguardian.com/science/2009/nov/09/the-fourth-kind-sleep-paralysis

[CD_Sasha]

Sorry, I just wanted to recap that we all believe in aliens. Last night, Darth Vader came to my house and told me if I don't ask Lorraine out to the enchantment under the sea dance, he'd melt my brain. :nervous:

[Dan_cl]

Sorry, I just wanted to recap that we all believe in aliens. Last night, Darth Vader came to my house and told me if I don't ask Lorraine out to the enchantment under the sea dance, he'd melt my brain. :nervous:
wTF? Those games are getting to you I think lol

[CD_Sasha]

This particular thread is Sci-Fi make believe.. I figured I'd toss a Back to the Future reference :P

Not a video game

[trish]

"There's still, kind of, a reptilian side of our brain..." -Barrack Obama

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQ7x8hFYMUQ

I can only guess that posting the above link in your thread devoted to extraterrestrial life means you believe it somehow offers evidence that we’re being visited and manipulated by space aliens driving late model UFO’s. Many of the commenters (with whom I imagine you agree) think that this vid shows the President letting slip some top secret intel on the existence of our overlord aliens. I can’t really know what you think, because all you did was just plop down the link.

Of course it is a well known anatomical fact concerning the human brain that it has the appearance of a triune system. The three major parts are the basal ganglia, the limbic system and the neocortex. The basal ganglia shares most of the anatomical features (and presumably the corresponding functions) one finds in the brains of modern reptiles. For this reason some popularizers refer to the basal ganglia as the reptilian brain. However, it is a brain-structure that is common to all organisms that share a common ancestor with birds and reptiles. It is presumed that this structure is responsible for automatic responses (like fight or flight), instinctual behaviors, etc. whereas neocortex is the seat of language, reason etc. ( Triune brain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triune_brain) )

You can read about these notions in any of a number of books and magazine articles scarfing off the popularity of neuroscience and psychology. What functions the basal ganglia truly serves remains to be detailed. I'm not arguing the truth of these functional notions about the anatomy of the brain. I’m just arguing that these notions (about the reptilian brain, the limbic system and the neocortex) are popular (...so don’t give me any flak about using a wikipedia article to illustrate them). What I am arguing is that they are a part of our popular culture. The reptilian brain is a handy (and sciencey) metaphor for our baser instincts. This is clearly the metaphor for which the President was reaching.



...
Snowden Leaks, "Tall White Aliens Control USA!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQJrrcweoNA
...

Odd! Why wasn’t this the first thing Snowden leaked?

http://www.nationaljournal.com/defense/no-edward-snowden-did-not-blow-the-lid-off-the-alien-conspiracy-20140113

[Ben]

Do aliens exist? Most likely... taking into account the vast size of the universe -- or multi-verse.
Have they visited planet Earth? Unlikely. But who knows....

NASA Prepares For Alien Arrival:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADunD1JkzMo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADunD1JkzMo)


Martin Rees - What Would an Infinite Universe Mean?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=4buDbMTxISg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4buDbMTxISg)

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

...this vid shows the President letting slip some top secret intel on the existence of our overlord aliens....

Hi trish,

BINGO!! You WIN the prize!!
Face it! Without a teleprompter, who knows what he is capable of "blurting" out.

If you think he was talking about neuroscience, then you give him far too much credit. I doubt he knows anything about neuroscience to say something like that off the cuff.

I think it's all part of the alien disclosure that is coming soon to a TV set near you. Stay tuned.

That's what i think. I am allowed to have an opinion, right? I mean, without being called a name?

Babe,
xoxo

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMdYzCqJx5s

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEjQow3EIyg

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

Astronaut Gordon Cooper

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvPR8T1o3Dc

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVbQxFPNigI

[trish]

If you think he was talking about neuroscience,..Well if you think that I said he was talking about neuroscience (after I explained my point very carefully), then you win the prize for the dumbest dipshit on the internet. I said he was using a well worn, popular metaphor.


I think it's all part of the alien disclosure that is coming soon to a TV set near you. Stay tuned. That's what i think. I am allowed to have an opinion, right? Yes, but if you have it out loud, then others have the right to judge your opinion.

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

you win the prize for the dumbest dipshit on the internet.


....

[martin48]

Surely not, take Mariah Carey

"Whenever I watch TV and see those poor starving kids all over the world, I can't help but cry. I mean I'd love to be skinny like that but not with all those flies and death and stuff."

They care .....

[trish]

...BINGO!! You WIN the prize!!
Face it! Without a teleprompter, who knows what he is capable of "blurting" out.

If you think he was talking about neuroscience, then you give him far too much credit. I doubt he knows anything about neuroscience to say something like that off the cuff. ...

To get some reading on how popular the reptilian brain metaphor is (as a stand in for our baser instincts), you might try using Google Ngram.

https://books.google.com/ngrams

“When you enter phrases into the Google Books Ngram Viewer, it displays a graph showing how those phrases have occurred in a corpus of books (e.g., "British English", "English Fiction", "French") over the selected years.”


I typed in “reptile brain” and “base instincts” and got the graph below. The phrases track each other, as if they’ve been somehow tied to each since about 1860 (when biologists first started communicating with each about homologous anatomical features and their evolutionary functions). But the correlation between the two phrases doesn’t really establish itself until somewhere around 1960 (which is when Paul MacLean called attention to the speculative psychological functions of the triune brain). The popular use of both phrases peaked almost together in the early 1980s (Carl Sagan popularized the triune brain and its reptilian component in his 1977 book The Dragons of Eden, which came out in paperback a few years later). By the late 1990s the usages plateau but are still prevalent, indicating that the reptile brain had by then become a worn, yet common metaphor for our baser instincts. (MacLean wrote a popular book on the triune brain, but it the idea was too tired to really take off again).

Clearly, you don’t need to know neuroscience or even be talking about neuroscience to use the reptilian brain metaphor. You might be talking about marketing ( http://www.risdall.com/blog/2013/05/20/how-to-appeal-to-the-reptilian-brain/ ) ( http://randomthoughts.club/youtube.php?video=u8yWevsIfaE ), or new age philosophy ( http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/06/16/how-to-by-pass-your-reptilian-brain-and-restore-your-creative-power/ ) or you might be talking to The View about racial and gender prejudice ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQ7x8hFYMUQ )

The President was quite clearly using the reptilian brain metaphor in its tired old standard American English form. But to insinuate he is incapable of talking without a teleprompter or about neuroscience or any of a number of complex topics is insulting (something you said you didn't do). You give, and you shall receive in kind.

[AshlynCreamher]

Ancient Aliens Created 13 Crystal Skulls

http://www.crystalskulls.com/images-pr/gathering.jpg

The crystal skulls are human skull hardstone carvings made of clear or milky white quartz, known in art history as "rock crystal", claimed to be pre-Columbian Mesoamerican artifacts by their alleged finders; however, none of the specimens made available for scientific study have been authenticated as pre-Columbian in origin.


Paranormal claims and spiritual associations
Some believers in the paranormal claim that crystal skulls can produce a variety of miracles. Anna Mitchell-Hedges claimed that the skull she allegedly discovered could cause visions, cure cancer, that she once used its magical properties to kill a man, and that in another instance, she saw in it a premonition of the John F. Kennedy assassination.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FK2dDAsL6bI


Ancient wisdom
All 13 crystal skulls said to have come into the possession of the Mayan people, one of the ancient world's most sophisticated and mysterious races before their civilisation crumbled more than 1,000 years ago.

They were supposedly lost for many centuries in the jungles and oceans of Central America but legend has it that they contain ancient wisdom vital for the survival of mankind. They were also thought to contain answers to some of the greatest mysteries of the universe.

According to Mayan teachings, all 13 skulls would be rediscovered one day and brought together for their wisdom to be made available.


http://media.giphy.com/media/tyttpHduQdg3d6O8jAs/giphy.gif

[broncofan]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2867236/Don-t-read-hogwash-Newly-unearthed-letter-enraged-Albert-Einstein-Marie-Curie-1911-advises-female-scientist-ignore-critics.html

I am reminded of the allusion to the reptilian brain in a letter Einstein wrote to Marie Curie describing her critics. He called her critics reptiles...probably an early allusion to the fact that reptiles are not viewed as the most reflective of animals.

President Obama seems to do pretty well in nationally televised debates without a teleprompter. Out of six debates with McCain and Romney, he was believed by a majority of viewers to have won five of them.

[fred41]

lol...damn ,
I remember when I was a kid, magazines and newspapers, like The National Enquirer did articles on the skulls, claiming they were from the lost civilization of Atlantis. Skeptic magazine did an article or two on them (I LOVE that magazine...they now have an app and you can buy it for your tablet from Amazon. I did just that-the newest issue is on 'food myths'...but it could get a bit pricey if you were to buy all the back issues too, though I will probably do that...at a snails pace [I read slooowwww]...) debunking all the myths about the skulls. You can just check Wiki...the skulls are dated to the 19th century...probably Germany, including Anna Mitchell-Hedges' skull (the crystal one, not her own).

But the Batchild...he's real and he's alien. :)

[Jericho]

I want to believe, but...
Why do they always abduct rednecks from Buttfuck, Nowhere?

Time to own up, Billybob, dyeing your mullet green and fucking your cousin in the arse when he's drunk is taking the joke TOO FUCKING FAR!

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

R.I.P. Leonard Nimoy (Mr Spock)

[CD_Sasha]

It's sunny outside..maybe with some luck, we can spot a UFO or even a unicorn.

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

It's sunny outside..maybe with some luck, we can spot a UFO or even a unicorn.

Hi CD Sasha,

Yea, i see you. How's about you be CweeDdee and cast a vote for yes or no in the poll.
See, there's a UFO an alien AND a unicorn all in the same shot.






For CD Sasha.jpg Photo by da6is9 | Photobucket (http://s228.photobucket.com/user/da6is9/media/For%20CD%20Sasha.jpg.html)








Babe,
http://www.picgifs.com/animal-graphics/animal-graphics/unicorn/animal-graphics-unicorn-276301.gif

xoxo

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

Hi everyone,

Whoopie Goldberg: "In the 1967 movie,
Guess Who's Coming to Dinner, Sidney
Poitier says to his father. 'You think of
yourself as a Negro man and i think of
myself as a man and that's the
difference.' "
"Is that still relevent, today?", Whoopie asks,
and then adds, "I ask you - what ARE we?
Who ARE we?"

Barrack Obama: "Well, we are Americans.
We share common hopes. We share common
dreams. We share common aspirations. We're
going through common struggles. I mean, the
fact of the matter is, is that everybody here,
and i look out of this audience - and it's
representative of the country - everybody here
is connected in some fashion. Uh...and our
success and our children's success...uh...is
tied up...uh...together, and so...i think most
Americans feel that way.

But, what is still true is, is that...uh...there's
still a, kind of, reptilian side of our brain, right?
...i...err...ah...uh...that...that...part of our brain,
that if somebody looks different or sounds different,
that...there's a part of us that is cautious...and...
what we have to do is fight against that - and
that's part of what Shirley (?) was trying to say
in the speech, if you actually read the whole speech,
she was acknowledging, 'I have my own biases based
on my experiences but if i am able to look inward
and reflect, then i can get beyond my biases'.

And that's an exercise that all of us have to
undergo day-in day-out and it's a constant
struggle and...ah...ah...you know, it's something
that...there's nobody in America who doesn't have
to, at some point, think about their own racial
attitudes, but if we do, i think there's no reason
we can't overcome."

Broken down:
Obama: "...if somebody looks different or sounds
different, there's a part of us (the reptilian side
of our brain) that is cautious...and...what we have
to do is fight against that urge to be cautious."

And that answers Whoopie's question, "Who are we?
What are we?" ?

And then, trish awards me with "the dumbest dipshit
on the internet" prize because i merely suggested that
if she was saying that Obama was referring to
neuroscience, that i think she gives him far too much
credit.

Hmm, speaking of using the lowest part of the human
brain, trish, you sure have demonstrated your ability
to do so on several occasions since i've come to HA.
You spare no time to call me disparaging names to
either...make me feel bad about myself?...to stifle my
opinions?...to bully me?...or to just reign supreme as
the most educated?
What could it be? I think all of the above, plus more.

I don't see any awards being handed out, trish.
So, calm down and just be a member like everyone else
who posts their opinions and so forth. Not everything
has to pass before your über judgmental eyes and be
scrutinized as correct or incorrect, worthy or unworthy.

And you highly consider yourself to be a hetaera? I really
fail to see it. You lack in the courtesan department due
to your self-proclaimed higher-than-thou self-esteem.
Your arrogance shines through more than any grace you
try to emit. Substitute prostitute for hetaera and that
shoe will fit your foot much more snugly.

I'm often ask myself, "What is trish's purpose in my threads,
picking apart my paragraphs and looking only for fault
to debate, i mean, if she has such a low opinion of me
and my opinions?" as she clearly seems to.
I see more of an intellectual "bully" who preys on people
with a lesser education for the sole purpose of appearing
highly intelligent and über sophisticated. WOW! You're so
smart, trish!
Calling me "dumbest dipshit", amongst other things you've
called me, is a prime example of your inability to communicate
intelligently and most importantly - gracefully.
Yes, indeed, a prime demonstration of a your uncontrollable
reptilian side of your brain.
Thank you so much for enlightening my ability to see
the real you.
I knew who you were before when i had to read many of
your subtle insults to my intelligence, and your constant "jives"
and "tongue-in-cheek" rudeness, but to stoop to such a low
level is quite...sobering, indeed.
Enough now.
If you do not like the topic of this or any thread, don't
engage in it if only to discredit it and people's comments,
especially mine. Otherwise, you're just trolling.
Imagine that, eh?...YOU, trish the "high-class",
"sophisticated" "hetaera", trolling.
Wow!
My goodness! Your BAD!

I try to prevent my reptilian side of the brain from
causing me to make rash, rude decisions. I try, at least.
Your self-pride is so incredibly high, and your addiction
to always being correct are not personality traits worth
cherishing.
You, trish, are constantly on a hunt to seek out the faults in
others, or is it just me?
I, actually, pity humanity because - we are not all
perfect - and there's you, trish, with your gavel - ready
to judge and even to insult anyone who errs or refuses to
agree with your opinions.
And ready to pat anybody on the back for agreeing with
many of your foolish comments, as you are, also, not
perfect, as you also make errors. Don't think we don't see
them all.
I think many are just too polite to point them out to you.
Maybe many are intimidated by your very sharp tongue.

It would be refreshing to read how someone can point out
an error you've made (and without "accusing" you of it, or
ridiculing you for it) but to just post something that you
didn't think about which proved a point (or a comment) you've
made to be incorrect, and to actually, see you say, "Oh yea,
you're right. I missed that. Thanks", and then see you chuckling
at your error (as we all err and need to laugh at that).
But you can't do that as you need to always be right, and
even at the expense of other people's feelings and their
own self worth.
Is it so important to be correct that you must hurt people's
feelings in trying to prove it?

And even though people don't rub it in your nose, you consider
their grace or politeness towards you as a sign of stupidity
or daftness.
You look at that as an indication that they must have missed
it when they proved you wrong (when actually they didn't
miss it) just because you refused to acknowledge that they
proved you wrong or how you, maybe, spoke too soon
about something.

I have often praised your high level of education, but i can't
offer any praise for your humility as i believe you have very
little for others - unless they agree with WHATEVER (even silly)
notions you offer. You must have been an only child who
always got your way.

The whole triune brain topic that YOU brought up is so
steeped in neuroscience that it's hard to NOT say it's
just that - neuroscience.
You used a neuroscientific term (triune brain) to explain
the reptilian side of the brain in Mr Obama's strange comment,
and you have even dropped names of famous neuroscientists
just to say it's NOT neuroscience. Duh!
I don't care how a metaphor which clearly stems from
neuroscience can become a word or phrase which means
exactly what it is supposed to mean but is now commonly
used in society as a mere metaphor.
It still originated from the study of neuroscience.

So i suppose i do owe Mr. Obama an apology for
underestimating his knowledge of the human mind? He has
it from me. As well as, an apology for my prematurely jumping
to any conclusions about a slip up. I do think that he was
referring to something that stemmed from the study of
neuroscience - the reptilian side of our brain, even if he
perhaps had no idea if he was doing so. YOU brought THAT
to my attention by the mere mention of the triune brain.
lol What a dope.

And, perhaps, i do owe an apology to the readers who
may have been mislead by my error in posting that Obama
video. However, i am a little confused as to why the reptilian
side of our brain was even mentioned when responding to
Whoopie's questions about racism and who and what we
are (as a race of humans, if she referred to humanity as a
whole, or perhaps just Negroes when she said, "we").
Obama, the great orator, seemed to use the reptilian
brain metaphor only to explain how people should refrain
from racism...
"...struggling from being cautious about people who look
or sound different"...
but he didn't address the "who and what are we?" part
of Whoopie's questions. Unless Whoopie, as well as, the
audience and the millions of TV viewers in the USA weren't
very sure of their American nationality, and she and the
whole audience were satisfied to hear him confirm, "We are
Americans."... and so forth and so on.
And Mr Obama's response caused many people's eyebrows
to raise in unison, especially in this day of a soon-coming
alien disclosure, when he commented about the "reptilian"
side of our brain.
He didn't say that WE HAVE a reptilian side, he said,
"...there's still, kind of, a reptilian side of our brain...".
He only "hinted" at it, when it is, in fact, unmistakably there.
That's where, i think, people (me included) became suspicious.
If it's there, say it's there if he knows about the triune brain.

I think i would prefer listening to him with his trusty
teleprompters telling him what to think and say than to
listen to him "winging" it. At least he might make more sense
if what is being said was written by him (or by some "higher
power") well in advance, and was well thought out.
He is, after all, the only president in USA history to use
these karaoke teleprompters like a puppet being controlled
by "invisible" strings.

I possess enough humility to openly admit i was wrong or
that i was ignorant of something that i've never heard
of before.
That does not make me stupid, nor deserving to be called
"the dumbest dipshit on the internet".

Even the mere mention of the triune brain and then further
dividing it up into its three separate components, basel ganglia,
neocortex and reptilian is discussing neuroanatomy - not as
you wrote - human anatomy.

I feel as though you, trish, are, sort of, "competing" with me,
somehow when i am not even competing. You devote a heck
of a lot of time trying to make me look stupid, inadequate
and most importantly, as though i am not very educated.
I am not all that educated, i make no secret of that fact.
However to call me names like the dumbest dipshit on the
internet is very low-level behavior.
If you don't like what i post, i should not have to endure
your abusiveness, and just because i post my opinion should
not make me subject to, or even a "target" for that type
of harsh insult.

I was listening to David Icke lecture on the topic of the
reptilian brain earlier today, and he described you to a tee.
Move the timer to 12:50 and listen to what he says about
reptilian behavior in the human mind. It's how i am beginning
to view you based on your behavior towards me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2blbcrRxC1E
And it continues into the next (part 4) video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXWSsTwsUGU.

Now, trish, i, actually, like when you step in and say this or
that thing i said is incorrect because it causes me to research
what you've pointed out, and i learn new things - i don't get
all snappy about it. I encourage that.
But lately, i find you really sarcastic, rather hateful and now,
quite directly insulting.
I don't even tolerate that on a working job where i am paid
money to be there to do work.
I've walked out of professional kitchens more than once because
the chefs were like those rude, overbearing chefs who seem
to think that employees, actually, need to be there to endure
the chef's crappy attitude pushed under my nose. I don't need
that from any boss as i would start to hate myself, and i certainly
don't respect that from someone on a forum which is supposed
to be fun and entertaining in my spare time.
It seems this forum is your life as you are always here and
ready to shoot down opinions of certain others you don't like.
Who needs that? You?



Hi everybody,


...I tend to write long posts when i have something to
say, so i hope people like to read a little bit. If not, please
do not read what i write only to complain about it. Move on
to what you like to read. I don't want to bother anyone and
by the same token, i don't want people bothering me...

...I have a long life story, as do most people, i think.
My life has been a real adventure, so far. I'm not sure how
far i will get but i am hopeful - i've made it THIS far, so i'll
keep my fingers crossed (maybe you can all cross yours for
me, as well). I wish nothing but the best for everyone.


...If i want bad attitude and lots of insults, i can simply
visit my family, right?!...

...I am here, mostly, to be noticed; here to flirt; here to
entertain; here to learn from others; here to have fun; here
to express myself - i hope all of that is okay, in here.

...If i don't like things that others have written, i will
not respond negatively...

EDIT (Feb 26, 2015): Unless i am constantly and unnecessarily AND unfairly attacked.

Babe
xoxo,

[trish]

Whoopie Goldberg: "In ah the 1967 movie,
Guess Who's Coming to Dinner, Sidney
Poitier says to his father. 'You think of
yourself as a as a Negro man and I think of
myself as a man and that's the
difference.' "
"Is that still releven’, today?" I...I ask you - what... what ARE we?
Who ARE we?"

Whoopie is asking whether African/American people today can identify as people or do the inequities to which that 1967 film refer persist and force them today to identify as black? Who are we? People or black people? The subject is racism, prejudice and identity. That is the context in which Mr. Obama responds. He says all citizens have common interests and goals but we still have to overcome our baser instincts (the reptilian side of our brain is the handy metaphor here) to see citizens with ethnicities different from our own as having opposing interests. Whoopie was talking about and Obama was talking about....they were all talking about racism,prejudice and identity, not neuroscience (and definitely not about the alien influences on human brain development which is where you wanted to take this thing).

Just curious: When you transcribed Whoopie’s question you edited out her hems and haws, but did not edit the President’s reply in the same way. Was that deliberate or accidental?

[trish]

Reading back over the last few posts this morning, I realized I wanted to say just a few more things:

Had Mr. Obama said, regarding racial prejudice, that we have to overcome our hardwired instincts to distrust ethnicities other than our own, he would not have been talking about computer science but rather using a by now tired old metaphor that has its origins in a popular conception of the brain that draws on computer science. It certainly would not be evidence that reptilian aliens have been wiring our brains and the President just stupidly let it slip in front of the whole world on The View.

I hope it's really really clear from this post and posts#173, #164, #161 and #154 that I personally think that (in the posted video link) Mr. Obama was not talking about neuroscience and that I said as much in each of the posts just mentioned. Let me put that in the third person for you. From Post #154 on, Trish has been saying that Obama was NOT talking about neuroscience. Let’s review the post that got your tail-feathers all out of whack, #161 wherein I say


Well if you think that I said he was talking about neuroscience (after I explained my point very carefully), then you win the prize for the dumbest dipshit on the internet. I said he was using a well worn, popular metaphor.

Yes, but if you have it out loud, then others have the right to judge your opinion.

If you still think that I said Obama was talking about neuroscience (after I explained my position very very carefully), then you are indeed the dumbest dipshit on the internet.

You bring up a second issue: can one expect to post their opinions in these forums without having those opinions criticized or without being judged for the opinions one holds. I would think not, though ultimately it is in each case a decision left to the monitors. If you do not want to be judged for ill, I advise you to not pollute threads like the one memorializing Oświęcim-Auschwitz or the one memorializing the late Leonard Nimoy with your childish and inappropriate whining...and do try to refrain from drawing your material from anti-semitic websites (as in your painful thread entitled Six million Jews).

[Stavros]

Meanwhile, a rational debate continues. This is from today's Independent and begins:

Searching for life beyond Earth: Scientists debate danger of messages to 'hostile' aliens

It was near Green Bank, West Virginia, in 1960 that a young radio astronomer named Frank Drake conducted the first extensive search for alien civilisations in deep space. He aimed the 85-foot dish of a radio telescope at two nearby, sun-like stars, tuning to a frequency he thought an alien civilisation might use for interstellar communication. But the stars had nothing to say.
So began SETI, the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence, a form of astronomical inquiry that has captured the imaginations of people around the planet but has so far failed to detect a single “hello.” Pick your explanation: They’re not there; they’re too far away; they’re insular and aloof; they’re zoned out on computer games; they’re watching us in mild bemusement and wondering when we’ll grow up.

It continues here:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/searching-for-life-beyond-earth-scientists-debate-danger-of-messages-to-hostile-aliens-10078189.html

[trish]

Thanks for the link to Joel Achenbach’s article in the Independent. The questions he raises (not for the first time) is it wise to signal our presence to the universe in the hopes of being noticed by extraterrestrial technological civilizations and does just anyone have the right to send up that signaling flare given we’re all taking the risk? What makes this an especially interesting question at this time is the fact that over 1800 exoplanets that have been discovered within the last decade and there are probably tens of thousands more that lie within those same distances yet to be discovered.

The article brings up a number of related issues.

One issue is, “Have we already revealed ourselves?” The idea is that before the age of cable and satellite TV, broadcast television and radio have already sent signals into deep space. I think probably not. The nearest exoplanet is on the order of 50 lightyears away. The broadcast signal that originated from Earth fifty years ago is spread out over a sphere a 50 light-year radius. That signal strength is now diminished by factor proportional to the area of that sphere. It would be a quite a feat to discover “I Love Lucy” in a such a weak signal masked by all the noise in the universe. To put it in reverse, I don’t believe we currently have the technology to view a TV show were it broadcast 50 years ago with 1965 broadcast technology on an exoplanet 50 lightyears away. We may have shown our hand, but I rather doubt it.

Would an exoplanetary civilization be hostile? Life as we know it is mindlessly adaptive. Survival adaptations include techniques that exploit whatever mineral and organic resources that are within reach. We have only to look at our own history to see what can happen when civilizations meet. Maybe they’ll want to trade with us, teach and learn. Maybe they’ll want to exterminate us and enslave us. Maybe they’ll want to convert us and rule benignly over us. I think all of these and various combinations of these possibilities are very real –– provided they have the ability to bridge the fifty light-year or more distance between us. Warp drives and wormholes are theoretically possible, mathematically beautiful constructs, but imo they are very likely unrealizable (as they contradict a number of rather reasonable relativistic energy conditions). Traveling at one tenth the speed of light (which is dangerously fast) it would take them over five hundred years to get here. We’ll probably fry ourselves to death under an atmosphere of greenhouse gasses before the first wave of "ambassadors" arrive. The thing that really get my goat is all the free TV those freeloading aliens are getting while I have to pay COMCAST to watch reruns of I Love Lucy.

Even though, in my judgment, the risk is small, I don’t think just anyone by themselves has the moral authority to go ahead and send Moose code to exoplanets with their green laser pointers. I suggest we delegate that authority to a government leader with high intellectual integrity and an intimate knowledge of science –– how about James Inhofe?

[trish]

I don’t think just anyone by themselves has the moral authority to go ahead and send Moose code to exoplanets with their green laser pointers.See below for illustration of Moose Code.

[broncofan]

Even though, in my judgment, the risk is small, I don’t think just anyone by themselves has the moral authority to go ahead and send Moose code to exoplanets with their green laser pointers. I suggest we delegate that authority to a government leader with high intellectual integrity and an intimate knowledge of science –– how about James Inhofe?
The risk is small that our signal is received by a civilization that can then reach us. However, if they have the technological capability to receive our signals and to travel to our planet within a single lifespan when we're 50 light years away, we should be wary. This would make them many orders of magnitude more advanced than we are. Given what we know about life, would we want to have contact with a species that much more advanced (yes they could teach us a great deal, but there's a greater chance I think they would be antagonistic)? What use have we had for other species we've been able to exploit? Shoes, clothing, food...

[Stavros]

The rational debate continues today in The Independent (full article is here:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/space/11443057/How-alien-life-might-look-on-Saturns-moon-Titan.html

This is what alien life might look like, but sorry, not 'Nordic types' possessed of superbrains and an enduring love of Jesus...

How alien life might look on Saturn's moon Titan

Scientists have come up with a cellular lifeform which could exist in the chemical conditions on Saturn's moon Titan


http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03215/alienlift_3215939b.jpg

[martin48]

Well, it's life, Jim. But not as we know it".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCARADb9asE

What "good" will come from advertising our presence to possible aliens?

What "harm" will come from ...?

I can think of some harms but not many goods

[trish]

You guys are so pessimistic. Life on Earth is advertising itself all the time. The song of birds, the peacock’s plumage, the croaking of frogs, the bright wings of butterflies. Surely if we put our ad in the cosmic-craigslist, we’ll attract some hot green babes who’ll want to mate with us. Or maybe some shy, rich daddies to spend their money on us.

The problem is we have no idea what the risk is in comparison to other risks we take. Take the family out for a Sunday drive and you might get them all killed. Spend all day Sunday cooped up with them, and you might all kill each other. I will admit, risking the lives of everyone on the planet takes more balls than merely risking the lives of everyone in your immediate family; but what with all our nuclear weapons and secret biological weapons labs, someone on this planet must already have quite pair.

Should we discover and contact a technological civilization light-years beyond our system, I would like to think the rarity and wonder of each other’s existence would set the tone of our relationship. But that’s only what I would like to think. The hardwired, reptilian part of my brain, the basal ganglia, is more cautious...more suspicious. Not only instinct but reason pushes me toward caution: I’m inclined to think that both of us and them are living populations, prone to exponentially expand into all available niches, and have at our fingertips and pod-tips all the survival techniques developed by eons of evolution that allow us to exploit other life forms to fulfill our needs.

On the other hand, I would be so fucking excited should we ever make contact, I would be the first volunteer to be beamed up. But I’m not holding my breath. Certainly not bettin’ the ranch. I think there’s life all over the place out there (like the hollow little blue and green balls with an enduring love of Jesus that may inhabit Titan). But my uneducated guess is that the chances of contacting a technological civilization is the same order of magnitude as steppin’ off the curb in Swett, South Dekota and getting run over by a taxi.

[trish]

It’s interesting to speculate on what a conversion would be like if each message sent traveled for fifty years before it was received. That would be a minimum of a century between each message and its reply. If the replies were composed by committees as dysfunctional as...say... the U.S. House of Congress, it may take an additional fifty years to get each message written. It would be a very slow conversation. We can’t even keep our language from mutating on us in those time scales. It might be easier to just play a long distance game of chess.

Someone must’ve thought about the strategies one might adopt to optimize the flow of such conversations. Perhaps the most effective format would be something like a cosmic Facebook. Each civilization keeps sending updates: pictures of our meals, the latest fads, fashions, music, stories, films, news, scientific advances etc. Every once in a while to spice things up we can have a flame war. But given the distances between us, they never escalate into anything physical.

...unless we reveal too much about our neurophysiology. The aliens might be able to embed a mind virus in one of their messages and convert the entire human race into mindless zombie slaves who willingly throw every single intragalactic chess match. Oh, the horror!

[martin48]

Cosmic Facebook would look like this. Hence proving there is no intelligent life in the Universe :)

[trish]

Love the space cat. Cat pictures could have a whole new resurgence!

Actually, I was the one being pessimistic. Whereas there may be a hundred (at least 65 ) exoplanets within 50 light-years of us, there are some which are closer. Gliese 876 (only 15 light years away) is a red dwarf that is known to have a planetary system. Two super-Earths are now known to orbit Kapteyn’s Star only 12 light-years from us. The planets are known to us as Kapteyn a and b. ( http://arxiv.org/abs/1406.0818 )

A spacecraft raveling at one-tenth the speed of light (an expensive and hazardous speed), it would take 120 years to traverse the distance. Cosmic-Facebook communication would be somewhat less tedious. There would only be about half a century to wait between message and reply.

[martin48]

I think the nearest earth-like planet that is about the same environment as Venus is only about 20 ly away. Of course, any inhabitants would not be using Facebook, but MySpace! As we have all given up on our MySpace accounts we will never know about their existence.

Fifty years to get a "like" - I'd wait for that

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

Hi to all the Gentle Men and nice people,

Why are you not voting in this poll?
Are you still not convinced that aliens exist?
Are you afraid of the scorn/ridicule factor if you vote "yes"?

Yes, i am only talking to YOU there, Mr Lurker,
hiding in the shadows of the forum. It's time to come
out and talk to me, now...i'm chewing ♪bub♪ble ♪gummmmm
and my mouth tastes like ♪sweet ♪can♪dyyyy.
I, for one, do not bite nice guys, trust me - and if i
did bite, you would probably love it because i don't bite hard.

Here is another great video to help you decide.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1WWRJinIU4




Babe,


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[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

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the 13 crystal skulls explained by http://yoursmiles.org/hsmile/alien/h01116.gif bashar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tp28usmo5n0[/quote]

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[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

Just copy the Basher 13 crystal skulls youtube link to see that video.
The video DOES exist.




I'm Worthless, stupid, extremely ugly and undeserving of the air in my lungs, right?
Babe
http://tgirlforums.com/yabbse/images/imported/2014/01/16.gif

[Stavros]

Just copy the Basher 13 crystal skulls youtube link to see that video.
The video DOES exist.


YouTube is also a good source for a short film which shows that the Maya or ancient aliens had nothing to do with one or thirteen crystal skulls, which was, quite simply, a marketing campaign designed to make money for the people concerned...short film debunks this nonsense here-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZydCQnSh3os

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22ZovjTPz30




http://a1star.com/images/ufo3.gif

alien says:
well, i'm a stranger here in this place called earth
and i was sent down here to discover the worth
of your little, blue planet, third from the sun.
Come on and show me what you've done.

humans say:
we got the aeroplane, we got the automobile,
we got sky scraping buildings made of glass and steel,
we've got synthetic food that nearly tastes real,
and a little white pill that makes you feel, hey,
a whole lot better when you get out of bed -
you take one in the morning for the long day ahead.
We got everything everybody needs to survive.
Surely, the good life has arrived.

alien says:
i think your atmosphere is hurting my eyes
and your concrete mountains are blacking out the skies.
Now, i don't say that you've been telling me lies
but why do i hear those children's cries?

I'm a stranger here, i'm just looking around.

I see the aeroplanes carrying the bombs.
Why, you've even found people to drop them on.
You know you can't keep what you take by force.
But, it's only my first impression of course.

Well, i'm a stranger here on your planet earth

humans say:
we got the rivers and the mountains and the valleys and the trees.
We got the birds in the sky and the fish in the sea.
We got the....

alien says:
oh, you crazy fools, don't you know you had it made -
you were living in paradise.
But take it from one who knows...
Who knows the gates of heaven can close.
I only pray that you take my advice,
because paradise won't come twice.

Well, i'm a stranger here in this place called, earth,
and i was sent down here to discover the worth
of your little, blue planet third from the sun.
I think i'll go back home where i come from.
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babe,
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xoxo

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

Hi all,

Astronaut Gordon Copper talks about UFOs in 1951 and of one that landed right in front of him, on Earth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsEd_b1C8DY




Babe,
http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-alien002.gif
xoxo

[Stavros]

Looks like Gordon Cooper's belief's are not Copper bottomed -there were no UFO's in any of the three incidents usually referred to -one was the Southern Hemisphere's version of the aurora borealis, another was a weather balloon, the third natural phenomena.

You can read about it here-
http://www.zipworld.com.au/~psmith/cooper.html

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

Hi Stavros (and everyone like Stavros who enjoys defaming AMERICAN HEROES),




http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3b/Mercury_Suit_Gordon_Cooper.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgJh0yP6Kxw


I really can't understand why so called "intelligent" people "choose" to believe any NASA reports or hired employees when they are known to be prohibited to reveal anything to the public about the existence of UFOs and/or aliens.

From "The Hunt" section of the link you've provided, Stavros, it says the following:

"In an OMNI interview published in March 1980, Cooper was asked about the reports of astronauts seeing UFOs in space.

He replied, "It got so bad that there were deliberately falsified tapes of communications with the astronauts, where UFO material was simply edited in." "
I can't see how that is not a misquoted line or, perhaps, it was taken out of context. I say that because no where has Mr Cooper EVER verbally stated that UFOs didn't exist. Besides, why would tapes of communications in NASA's possession be edited to include any mention of UFOs if NASA has always denied to the public and still deny that UFOs exist, in the first place? Does not make any sense.

I think what Mr Cooper was maybe talking about is how people who, later, got a hold of those tapes, wanted people to believe that UFOs existed and so THEY edited-in any mention of UFOs.
From what i see in his video statements, Mr Cooper's mind was well in working order. He was very sharp-minded, and he was quite direct in his wording.

I will make it clearly noted, here, that this following part of that paragraph from your link drastically strays from the OMNI magazine interview with Mr. Cooper, to say how the author says Mr Cooper, in a private letter to him (the author) admits Mr Cooper denies the UFO sightings.
The article continues:
"Cooper explicitly denied that there had been UFO sightings on his two flights. In a 1978 letter to me, Cooper stressed "the non-occurrence of a sighting on Mercury 9. I have the original on-board tapes in my possession which also refute this."
And you Stavros, once sat there and tried to convince the forum that i posted Frank Stranges videos when i never did. Doesn't make it true just because SOMEONE says something about what someone else said or did. Trust the source. I trust Mr Cooper, and the people of the forum should trust me when i say i did or said whatever i claimed to have done. I am not a liar. I admit when i make a mistake.

However, here is an actual excerpt from that March 1980 OMNI magazine interview with Gordon Cooper. He doesn't deny anything. As a matter of fact, Mr Cooper does reiterate how honest and outspoken he has always been about the subject of his UFO encounters (i think once he retired from military service).

You, Stavros, are propagating the lies told by those lying journalists and NASA officials. I have no idea why you would do that. Do you somehow feel like it's your duty to do so? To what end?...what would you gain by doing so?...Know-it-all status?
The Military Industrial Complex is a powerful institution which wields a lot of clout. They can influence what is said in books and magazines, it seems. They have the whole world actually denying what they see with their own eyes. And the brainwashed sheeple just agree with them.
Media PROPAGANDA, my friend. It's all media propaganda, and you eat it up like Cheerios in a bowl of milk with slices of strawberries as you watch reruns off Roger Ramjet.

Here is the excerpt of the interview with Mr. Cooper.
http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc526.htm
Interview with Gordon Cooper (excerpt)
OMNI Magazine, March 1980

Summary: An excerpt of an interview given by former astronaut Gordon Cooper - Mercury 9, Gemini 5 - to OMNI Magazine in 1980, where he is asked about astronaut sightings of UFOs and about his own UFO sighting when he was an Air Force pilot in Germany in the 1950s.

The following is an excerpt of an interview given by former astronaut Gordon Cooper - Mercury 9, Gemini 5 - to OMNI Magazine in 1980. While it shows that Cooper does have a belief in 'UFO's, it should - one hopes - resolve the issue of whether he did or didn't encounter any "Unidentified Flying Objects" during his space missions.
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Excerpt of interview with Gordon Cooper: OMNI, March 1980, p. 106


OMNI: What about the repeated allegations that the astronauts saw many UFOs?

COOPER: It got so bad that there were deliberately falsified tapes of communications with the astronauts, where UFO material was simply edited in. To my knowledge, the only astronaut on any of the Mercury, Gemini, or Apollo missions who ever saw anything that might have been a UFO was Jim McDivitt, but he didn't get enough pictures to prove anything substantial. That's the only case, in spite of all the stories you hear.

OMNI: Didn't you go after some UFOs as an air force pilot in Germany in the 1950s?

COOPER: Yes, several days in a row we sighted groups of metallic, saucer-shaped vehicles at great altitudes over the base, and we tried to get close to them, but they were able to change direction faster than our fighters. I do believe UFOs exists and that the truly unexplained ones are from some other technologically advanced civilization. From my association with aircraft and spacecraft, I think I have a pretty good idea of what everyone on this planet has and their performance capabilities, and I'm sure some of the UFOs at least are not from anywhere on Earth.

OMNI: Aren't you concerned about the reaction of people who may read this?

COOPER: I've always been honest about my views on this subject. Because the astronauts have been so badly misquoted by irresponsible journalists, it's up to each of us to say what he believes in. I'm engaged in a lawsuit against people who used my name for a commercial venture, quoting me to the effect that I'm dedicated to forcing the government to tell the truth about UFOs. I never said that at all. If any UFO information is being suppressed, it's certainly not in the U.S. Air Force, because I was at a high enough level to know about it.

In defense of the military attitude, I can't really blame them for being negative when I consider ridiculous things that have been said and written and the fact that the military is responsible for national security. It's a little embarrassing to acknowledge they can't explain some things.

OMNI: ...Are people psychologically ready to face it if UFOs should prove to be manned by visiting aliens?

COOPER: People want to know what's going on in the world around them, and I think they're prepared for the truth, whatever it is. A lot of people don't believe anything about UFOs because of the absurd treatises that have come out on the subject. And a lot of people are afraid of the unknown. But the more we know, the greater the likelihood of treating UFOs in a friendly fashion.

From the same section of your posted link, under the paragraph called "The Hunt", it says the following:
"On a pass across the US, the astronauts were told that Cape Kennedy radar was tracking another object "two to ten thousand yards" from their spacecraft. They were asked if they had seen anything, but they replied in the negative. "And that is the last that the public knows about what was sighted during the Gemini 5 flight", intoned Sandler. The story subsequently appeared in UFO magazines and newsletters."
There was a strong ridicule factor back then (even today). If anyone said they saw a UFO, they were oestercized. Many were forced from their jobs and laughed out of their neighborhoods. It was perhaps safer to just say "negative' to the question.

I am not sure if radar detection could say exactly how high a craft was by looking at the radar screen, back then. Two to ten thousand yards in horizontal distance is one thing, but it doesn't say how "high" the "other object" (UFO craft) was above their planes. Maybe the pilots looked to the left and right of them and saw nothing, but maybe the "other craft" was ten thousand yards above them and completely hidden by clouds. Right? You believe everything you read, there, Stavros? Boy, it sure does seem apparent that you are really easy to fool - just put in print and you'll believe. You seem to lack a certain depth perception, like a few others in here.
OMNI magazine was known to be a science AND science-fiction magazine. Gordon Copper and the other astronauts who are/were AMERICAN HEROES are NOT science fiction characters.
You would rather believe the anti-UFO shills than believe actual VERBAL testimonies of those AMERICAN HEROES who say what they saw. My goodness.
If Gordon Copper was alive and was telling you what HE saw, you would throw these articles in his face like he was a liar?
You actually think i post these videos just so you or others can TRY to debunk them? Geez. I once said that if you look, you can find a video debunking practically anything.
The same way you had it ALL wrong when you accused me of not knowing what I WAS saying about the Valiant Thor topic. You tried to convince ME and the forum that you proved me wrong. You were so MISTAKENLY sure that i was a Frank Stranges believer even when i had never even mentioned the guy's name.
I mentioned Phil Schneider's account of the Valiant Thor story, and you tried to say i was referring to the Rev Frank Stranges' version. You, later, apologized for it, ohhh, but not right away, though - because you would have preferred i wasn't bright enough to have known what i had actually written. Pfft!! Egooooooooo.
You would rather your false information be known as the truth. You would rather trick people with misinformation than to let me appear as though i am "on the ball".
Re-dick-u-loss, man. "Hey, Mack, get to back of the line"
I doubt you even read the crap you post, you just post it to be seen, hoping i won't read it. You post misinformation hoping people will believe you. What's the point?
Come over to my side of the table, and look just a little bit smarter and better informed. I'll even place my nice, warm palm on your upper thigh and gently squeeze it now and then.

An old saying goes like this:
"A wise man speaks when he has something to say but a fool speaks when he just has to say something."

I really don't know why so many of the people in here have so much frikken difficulty admitting they were wrong or were mistaken or maybe that they've read something wrong and then spoke too soon.
I can easily admit when i was wrong or mistaken, and i laugh at it because it fun to be wrong - it's a opportunity to show humilty and self awareness. I am no ego-maniac like SOME of the self-proclaimed geniuses, in here, who are nothing more than self absobed ego-maniacs (oh and i know i you are reading this).
Geez, and i was called self important and self absorbed? Holy frikken frock! Holy muckin' fruckin' rickin' ruckin'.
HOLY rickin' ruckin' muckin' buckin' frackin' racking....well...you get the idea.

I won't even read the rest of that misinformation link that you've posted. It's fraught with LIES and is meant only to spread bull shyte about the truth.
And you try to convince people with that false shyte. Gee whizz!

There seems to be a VERY small group of about five members, in here, who seem to think that everything has to be challenged because that's how it is in the scientific community. And if you disagree with them, they call you names.
Well, THIS IS NOT a scientific community.... HELLOOOOOOOO! Knock! knock! Hellooooooo.

Be happy nerds - NOT unhappy nerds attacking me with drawn calculators.

Just pull down your trousers and put "it" into my mouth and you'll see your dick go where YOUR DICK HAS not GONE BEFORE....why am i hearing the Star Trek Theme song, in my head now?...oh yeah...now i remember. I was listening to this earlier...enjoy. He's quite excellent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUpfzxOG-og




Babe,
http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-alien003.gif
xoxo

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

Hi to the recent and future poll voters,

First, i just want to say a great big "thank you" to all the members who've voted in the poll in this thread, so far.
It's really interesting to see who votes yes or no.

Secondly, i wonder what's taking every one else so long to vote. Does it hurt to vote? Will you need a back rub, or something after clicking the mouse? I rub backs as well as other things (wink wink).
Are you still not sure what to believe?

WHAT ABOUT ALL YOU LURKERS OUT THERE - hiding in the shadows?
Close your big, blood-shot eyes, and with all your might, imagine me holding up the official Romper Room magnifying glass and....no...wait!...wait!... no no, not yet. Keep your big, blood shot eyes OPEN so you can finish reading what i am saying here.

Okay, with the big magnifying glass in my hand, i am holding it up to the screen and looking though it...Annnd, i can see Paul, Ricky, Roger, Johnny, Franco, Chip, Jacob, Robert, Tony, Phillip, Owen, Walter, Bobby, Chris, John. Oh yes, i can see you, too, Peter and Nolan. I can see Liam and Sean in Ireland, you naughty lads, stop playing with yourselves. I can see Lucas, Jack, Luke, Jayce and James. I can see GrumpySteven you big bully, shame on you. I can see Richard in England. And Gabriel, Henry, Dylan, Dominic and Sebastian, Evan, Max, Joseph AND Joey. And think i see...is it?.. oh yes, it's Julian. Hi Julian.
Yes, i can really see you all with my wonderful magnifying glass. And i think you are ALL very, very naughty, little boys - touching yourselves down there like that! Tsk! Tsk! Such "bad", little boys - so cute, too!
Don't be afraid to vote in the poll and even to participate in, at least, MY threads and discussions.

Are you "afraid" of me, you scaredy cats? Don't be, i am as harmless as a pussy...(ahem) cat.
(Putting down my magic magnifying glass, now.)

I am pretty sure there are some members who feel that if they should vote in the poll in...God forbid...(gasp!)...MY THREAD (eeeek)... (oh my gosh!)...that it...hmm...for lack of a better word, i'll say..."glorifies" me, somehow...or "validates" me, somehow. That's just really silly thinking on your part, folks. Kind of, childish, too.

Voting in a poll about UFOs and aliens does not mean i am sexier than any of you just because you took the time to vote. Or how you all actually paid a little attention to "dumb dipshit", "self important", "childish" little me.
Geez, just look at my new avatar and signature pics. So sexy, huh?!

You've got NOTHING to lose and EVERYTHING to gain. So, come onnn, gentlemen. I DARE YOU to step out and be friendly!!



Babe,
http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-alien001.gif
xoxo

[Laphroaig]

So Babe, what you are basically saying is that you want everyone to agree with you, believe everything you post, ignore all the other contradictory evidence and just blindly follow you.

Strange, considering you label everyone who challenges you of being closed minded and behaving like a sheep. baa

"You would rather your false information be known as the truth" - Dahlia Babe Ailhad

Applies equally to most of your own posts...

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

Hi everyone,

I saw this tonight. And i thought to share it so everyone can say,
"WOW, BABE! What a find! WOW!! You're so wonderful!"

To which i would humbly say to the masses of adoring fans,

"Yes, yes, i know. I know, Thank you...and to think i was turned into the "dumbest dipshit on the internet". Okay, first, i want to thank God, that almighty alien in the BIGGEST spaceship around. And, i want to thank my mom and dad for beating me so hard over the head and fracturing my skull when i was only a 3 month old infant. And i REALLY want to thank the doctors and nurses in the Children's Hospital intensive care unit where i was for two weeks, they really helped me. And i want to thank the academy, and of course, and all of my peers for making it all possible and ...."

And, then, after i would finish my speech, i would walk away with my hand up in the air the like the Queen of England does and i would rotate my wrist from left to right and right to left...you know the way like she does it (i always wanted to do that) and of course i'd be smiling, you know....
Anyway, enough of that! One day, i'll get to do that.

This first clip is an interesting video i found, i think.
It's worth a view. I like the angel/alien type of creatures and the reference to a...well, i really don't want to spoil it for anybody.

Then, the second clip is of a really cool and, kind of, "scary" Katy Perry music video in how it's, sort of, preparing the children of today for what's soon to come to be every day life in the future.
Of course all the old-fogies will scoff and complain like they've been doing because they lack vision (their noses are stuck in books written by the establishment and then raised in the air because they know it all lol), JUST TEASING, sorta! <--- secret message.

Anyhooooo. Have a look. I think it's interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n01BQuZfsZg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5Sd5c4o9UM

" Extraterrestial "

[Kanye West raps]
I got a dirty mind
I got filthy ways
I'm tryna bathe my eyy, eyy, in your Milky Way
I'm a legend, I'm irreverent
I be reverend
I be so far u-u-u-u-up, we don't give a fuu-uu-uuck
Welcome to the danger zone
Step into the fantasy
You are not invited to the other side of sanity
They calling me an alien
A big headed astronaut
Maybe it's because your boy Yeezy get ass a lot

[Katy Perry]
You're so hypnotizing
Could you be the devil
Could you be an angel

Your touch magnetizing
Feels like I am floating
Leaves my body glowing

They say be afraid
You're not like the others
Futuristic lover
Diff-erent DNA
They don't understand you

You're from a whole other world
A different dimension
You open my eyes
And I'm ready to go
Lead me into the light

Kiss me, ki-ki-kiss me
Infect me with your loving
Fill me with your poison

Take me, ta-ta-take me
Wanna be a victim
Ready for abduction

Boy, you're an alien
Your touch so foreign
It's supernatural
Extraterrestrial

You're so supersonic
Wanna feel your powers
Stun me with your lasers
Your kiss is cosmic
Every move is magic

You're from a whole other world
A different dimension
You open my eyes
And I'm ready to go
Lead me into the light

Kiss me, ki-ki-kiss me
Infect me with your loving
Fill me with your poison

Take me, ta-ta-take me
Wanna be a victim
Ready for abduction

Boy, you're an alien
Your touch so foreign
It's supernatural
Extraterrestrial

This is transcendental on another level
Boy, you're my lucky star
I wanna walk on your wave length
and be there when you vibrate
For you, i'll risk it all

[Kanye West raps again]
I know a bar out in Mars
Where they driving spaceships instead of cars
Cop a Prada spacesuit about the stars
Getting stupid ass straight about the charge
Pockets on Shrek, rockets on deck
Tell me what's next, aliens sex
I'mma disrobe you, than I'mma probe you
See I abducted you, so I tell ya what to do

[Katy Perry]
Kiss me, ki-ki-kiss me
Infect me with your loving
Fill me with your poison

Take me, ta-ta-take me
Wanna be a victim
Ready for abduction

Boy, you're an alien
Your touch so foreign
It's supernatural
Extraterrestrial

Extraterrestrial
Extraterrestrial
Extraterrestrial

Boy, you're, you're an alien
Your touch so foreign
It's supernatural
Extraterrestrial



Songwriters
PERRY, KATY / MARTIN, MAX / GOTTWALD, LUKASZ / COLEMAN, JOSHUA EMANUEL

I know i leave your heads spinning.
But that's just because the letters are spinning.

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http://www.glitter-text.net/graphics/words/images/glitterwords79.gif
xoxo

[broncofan]

The worst, most self-absorbed, attention seeking behavior in history. I'm sorry you were harmed as a child Dahlia. It's inexcusable that anyone could harm a child and I hope you find peace and prosper despite the terrible things that were done to you.

I have no idea why you tie that in with the few negative things people have said to you in exasperation...for they are dealing with a person who can't take criticism, who repeats minor insults as though they were life-changing events, and who pretends to be the victim even while offending others; for the love of all things sacred, other people have been insulted on this forum without mentioning it in every post, in their signature, on their profile, in graphics...

As for your thread, the best discussion has not involved your youtube videos but rather the scientific basis for believing there might be life on other planets. Please more of that, and maybe some commentary on how you would vote if the poll were not so poorly done so we can keep an unofficial tally.

[Laphroaig]

Babe, it's not gone unoticed that whenever you come across a point that you can't simply answer with an internet link or youtube clip and actually have to think for yourself, you ignore it and either post a musical interlude or story about your childhood to distract and deflect attention.

If you were abused as a child then that is terrible and unforgivable and you have my sympathies but it doesn't excuse your behaviour on here.

I'm going to say this with the best of intentions but I know you'll take it as an insult anyway. You really need to seek professional help to work through the issues you have with your parents, your childhood and how you interact with people. Internet forums like this are not going to help you. It's clear that you don't much like the world you live in at the moment but creating an "alternate reality" in your head based on internet rumours, conspiracy theories and youtube clips, then trying to persuade everyone that it's real isn't helping yourself in the long term.

My genuine concern for you is that like a child finding out that Santa Claus doesn't exist, when you finally do discover the truth, you will be devastated. Unlike children, I'm not sure you would recover.

"The truth may be out there, but the lies are inside your head" - Sir Terry Pratchett

[rodinuk]

I'm offering the chance to the OP to improve the poll - as I have superpowers (hey that's out of this world :D ) I could edit it to add additional question(s) allowing non-loaded responses.

This might attract a better take-up...

[martin48]

I wont diagnose another’s mental condition from a distance, but you need to take stock of your feelings and thoughts. Talk to friends – talking is good




Babe, it's not gone unoticed that whenever you come across a point that you can't simply answer with an internet link or youtube clip and actually have to think for yourself, you ignore it and either post a musical interlude or story about your childhood to distract and deflect attention.

If you were abused as a child then that is terrible and unforgivable and you have my sympathies but it doesn't excuse your behaviour on here.

I'm going to say this with the best of intentions but I know you'll take it as an insult anyway. You really need to seek professional help to work through the issues you have with your parents, your childhood and how you interact with people. Internet forums like this are not going to help you. It's clear that you don't much like the world you live in at the moment but creating an "alternate reality" in your head based on internet rumours, conspiracy theories and youtube clips, then trying to persuade everyone that it's real isn't helping yourself in the long term.

My genuine concern for you is that like a child finding out that Santa Claus doesn't exist, when you finally do discover the truth, you will be devastated. Unlike children, I'm not sure you would recover.

"The truth may be out there, but the lies are inside your head" - Sir Terry Pratchett

[Laphroaig]

I wont diagnose another’s mental condition from a distance, but you need to take stock of your feelings and thoughts. Talk to friends – talking is good

Agreed.

I'm fully expecting and prepared to receive a volley of abuse from Babe the next time she's online for my post, but I'm not the first on here to point out her apparently delusional state.
Whether from friends or professionals, she needs a reality check and it has to be done "offline", not on an internet forum.

[trish]

I saw this tonight. And i thought to share it so everyone can say,
"WOW, BABE! What a find! WOW!! You're so wonderful!"

To which i would humbly say to the masses of adoring fans,

"Yes, yes, i know. I know, Thank you...and to think i was turned into the "dumbest dipshit on the internet". Okay, first, i want to thank God, that almighty alien in the BIGGEST spaceship around. And, i want to thank my mom and dad for beating me so hard over the head and fracturing my skull when i was only a 3 month old infant. And i REALLY want to thank the doctors and nurses in the Children's Hospital intensive care unit where i was for two weeks, they really helped me. And i want to thank the academy, and of course, and all of my peers for making it all possible and ...."
If you aren’t being facetious, then you have my sincere sympathy. Facetious or not, I do not regret anything I’ve said to you because I spoke with deliberation and within a context (albeit sometimes with exasperation). E.g. I never called you the dumbest dipshit on the internet: that was the conclusion you chose to draw from an if-then-statement with a premise that was easy to negate.


I really can't understand why so called "intelligent" people "choose" to believe
I really don’t understand why people “choose” to believe anything at all? For me, belief is something that happens or it doesn’t. I look at the evidence, examine the arguments and will either find it convincing, not convincing or dissonant. One can believe there are greys living in giant caverns miles beneath the surface of the Earth, they attacked Phil Schneider and killed sixty six armed Secret Service agents in the Dulce Wars...or one can not believe it...or one can believe it never happened. I do not choose to believe it never happened: the hilarious dissonance of the story compels me to disbelief.

Beliefs constrain action. Often in good ways. If I believe at this moment it’s not safe to cross the street, I won’t cross the street until I think it’s safe. I won’t just chose to believe it’s safe. I’ll look and the evidence will decide. I can be wrong. I may overlook a vehicle speeding around the corner.
If I believe Phil Schneider’s story is false, I won’t bother arming myself with semi-automatic weapons and hand grenades on my next spelunking trip. I may be wrong, but right now I think I’m safer if I leave the armaments behind.

[Stavros]

You, Stavros, are propagating the lies told by those lying journalists and NASA officials. I have no idea why you would do that. Do you somehow feel like it's your duty to do so? To what end?...what would you gain by doing so?...Know-it-all status?


Whether you believe that ETs and UFOs have visited Earth or not, you seem to be immune to the complete absence of undeniable evidence that these events have happened; you ignore the motives of those whose only real interest is to make money from other people's curiosity, or who have a religious agenda, just as you ignore every simple proof that the UFO was a weather balloon, or that the alien from Venus is a dude from Colorado, or that a 400 year old Venusian woman with special powers used to be a barmaid from Chicago.

Face the facts and consider this, an adaptation of a famous quote from John Maynard Keynes, in which I have dropped the gender specific part of the question:

When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do?

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

Hi rodinuk,

Thanks, but no, i think the poll is fine the way it is.
What i think is, actually, preventing folks from voting is the ridicule factor that is so very present in this thread. Too many forum bullies, insulting, to no end.

You can certainly use your mighty powers to ask the many haters of THIS thread, and of me, to stop harassing me. Maybe then, other people would feel MUCH more comfortable with expressing their beliefs about the thread topic.

This thread has been dominated by some pretty rude, intrusive people who seem to think they can continually harass someone for expressing her views. And they don't let up, do they? They just keep on coming back with more. I don't welcome such insults or low-level confrontational behavior.

When a comment is made which i have not already addressed, i'll address it, like i've done with Stavors' link about Mr Coopers's either being a liar or a fraud or whatever he's tried to say with his slanderous link against Mr Cooper.

I don't see why i have to be faced with such nasty criticism and actually be expected or forced to deal with some of the obviously insincere comments. I don't think i deserve it all.
I don't come to a forum to fight or argue, and it certainly seems to me that the main antagonists in this thread only wish to insult me in anyway they can to invoke a fight or argument which will result with me being banned, AGAIN.

I have used the function, offered by the site, to ignore most of them, by now, anyway, because i can't read such continuous hatred and feel good inside of me. If they don't like what i post, maybe they should create their own threads on the topic of UFOs and aliens and use that as a channel for their beliefs - i will not go there to bash their opinions.
Maybe if their UFO thread(s) can out-do my thread's popularity (or view count), perhaps they will have made their point.
But i tend to think people know, and like, how i write, as i like to entertain, and i DO respectfully respond to peoples' comments with grace and respect, well, until they exhaust it by continuously trying to find fault with me. I call that jealousy, plain and simple.

I am basically a harmless, little, cutey pie who is not nasty, at all, in nature. My heart is pure, as are my intentions.

I can take criticism easily if it's presented politely, but lately, i've seen the wolves in sheep's clothing going for my throat and i CAN'T figure out WHY.
They act as though this thread (or maybe my presence) insults their very existence.
I will simply turn my head to that, and continue to address the better behaved, gentlemen members of HungAngels.

I've been dealing, pretty much, with the bottom feeders, in my opinion. I am not saying that every person who has commented on my posts, or who have spoken to me are "bottom feeders", but the ones who continuously try to engage me in stupid fights or silly debates certainly are (in MY opinion).
I don't do well with bottom feeders as we obviously read from different menus. I like to take the high road not the low road.
It seems that the type of men i am more accustomed to dealing with are the higher class gentlemen who know better than to get involved in such open forums where the forum rules are often overlooked when it comes to harassment, bullying, name-calling and insults.

Real gentlemen would never think of throwing the things that i have stated about my past right into my face with the intent to publicly insult or further hurt me, like i have just witnessed. I only offered that little tidbit of personal information to show the forum how these wolves really are. I knew they would jump on it with both feet. Such ungentlemanly behavior from such swine was totally expected.
I am a survivor in life. I should have been dead a long time ago. Sorry to disaappoint many of the louder,ruder members (and one particular mod) in here.

I have only shared a molecular part of my personal turbulent existence and already these wolves only use such information to try to hurt and embarrass me (sighs).
Such backhanded sympathy is neither requested nor required.

Thanks, anyway, rodinuk, for offering to rephrase my poll questions. You are a sweety (i think).
However, it was ONLY broncofan (of course) who had mentioned that he would vote only if the poll questions were not "loaded", and yet, he still voted, didn't he? As if a poll in a frikken forum ABOUT UFOs lol has to be phrased in JUST the right way is utterly hilarious, really.
Some people obviously really need to get lives.
Of course i think he voted only because he was so sure no one would vote, and that his NO vote would contribute to the NOs outnumbering the YES votes. And he calls me a child, lol (giggles).

And any one can rate my posts down to try to influence any members viewing my member profile who will see so many negative post ratings and think, "Ooooh, what a nasty biatch this Dahlia Babe Ailhad must be." So wrong!!
That is an obvious abuse of a forum function done only to create hatred towards a member. And i am called a child? My gosh!

But all anybody has to do is to actually READ what i've written and they will notice NOTHING nasty with 99.99% of my posts.

It's true, though, i do have a child-like nature.
I am pure in my heart and in my thoughts and intentions.
When i see a very young baby on a bus, say, under 5 years old, i can always make them smile with only eye contact and a couple of silly faces, as children can see right into your soul just by looking into and studying your eyes - and they do just that - children study the eyes to see inside the soul. Watch them next time.
Kids love me because i am child-like. And i like having that quality.
I can be serious, too, but to me being "serious" does not entail destroying others.
And if people don't want their insults re-posted, then why not JUST STOP insulting others.
Otherwise, stand by what you've written. You composed and posted your insults, not me.

Anyway, back to you, there, rodinuk, sorry, i got a little side-tracked, there.
Rod, with some moderation for a while, i think this thread will be just fine.
I welcome you to go into my account and view my ignore list and take note to whom and whose comments i will no longer not be responding.



Babe,
http://tgirlforums.com/yabbse/images/imported/2014/01/15.gif <-- I don't want to do this.
xoxo




To the bottom feeders,
Please note:
If you post comments that i don't respond to after several days, you've probably been ignored by me, and you should probably move on to pester other "targets" of your disapproval. I have no time or desire to fight with you. I got sucked into it a few times, thinking some of you were being sincere, by you tricked me into fighting when i didn't even know you were actually fighting with me. It's clear now to me, and i have cut you all out of my view.
If you want to sit there and try to convince the forum that i can't deal with issues like an adult, and accuse me of not responding to your criticisms or comments, then i invite ANYONE to read this thread, or any thread i've created, from the beginning, and see for yourselves, my genuine willingness and grace to participate.
After a while, though, i must turn the page when all i see is hatred from you people.
I do not come here to be hated, and if you do hate me, then, that is a feeling YOU have to deal with, because i have no desire to experience YOUR self hatred projected onto me, and no desire to deal with your apparent lack of self-respect.
EVERYONE is watching you!!

So, gone on, bottom-feeders. Go on and rate all my posts down, as if i give a hoot lol.
If i could rate my OWN posts down, i would rate them all down - every last one of them.

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

What do you do?

Hey Starvos,

I've showed you what i do. I study your presented "facts". I've only seen (so far) mostly the misinformation you've provided, and then i've presented what i found right back to you.

Don't you even read what i post or are ya too busy playing the "argument game" for the mere fun of it?


Babe,
http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-alien006.gif
xoxo

[broncofan]

I have to address the things you said in your post Dahlia.

Just for the record, I voted no because that is my belief, even though the answer was clearly phrased in a way to discourage other people from voting the same way. I decided it was better to vote (afterall the counter-argument included in the answer does not change the meaning of the response just the way it's framed). I abhor the way you conducted the poll only because it's dishonest, but then you do not have a problem being dishonest.

You say you can take criticism but only if it's said in a particular way. I've seen zero evidence of that...that you can take criticism but only if there's a solar eclipse or if the person follows the criticism with a stream of compliments to negate it. Fact: You can't take criticism. You can't buck disagreement. You insult people as much as they insult you except your insults tend not to ring true.

What you presented about your childhood was presented as the classic no-win scenario. The people who expressed sympathy were expressing sympathy you didn't want or need. Those who said they thought talking about it with professionals might be helpful were exploiting it. But why did you bring it up? Does it somehow make a point relevant to this thread? Oh I see, to show the forum how these "wolves really are". Another experiment, except the responses all were appropriate and compassionate.

Why is it do you think nobody ever agrees with your personal behavior (forget the views)? Despite all of your self-serving talk about being a kind person and everyone else deserving shame, why is that nobody else' perception?

[broncofan]

What you presented about your childhood was presented as the classic no-win scenario.

Had nobody said anything at all about it, I bet you'd have noted that and said that people had no consideration for what you went through. It was a social experiment with a pre-determined conclusion.

[Laphroaig]

Babe,

I assume I’m on your ignore list so you can’t read this. We both know of course that you won’t be able to resist having a look though. ;)

I stand by everything I’ve said in both this thread and the “6 million Jews” thread. All of my posts have been open and honest and are there for everyone else to read and judge for themselves the same as yours are. There’s no insincerity or hidden meanings within them as you seem to be suggesting. Anything further you read into them is entirely down to your own interpretation.

I certainly don’t “hate” you and find it quite offensive that you could even consider that. I and others have tried to educate you but have effectively met with a brick wall of denial and a complete "head in the sand" attitude that has led to a degree of frustration and at times irritation with you. I accept that you truly believe that Aliens exist, have visited Earth and have lived among us for years. It’s your refusal to consider even the possibility that much of the “evidence” you post to prove this has perfectly natural and/or rational explanations and your refusal to engage in a proper debate that absolutely staggers me. Under different circumstances I might actually admire your resolute determination to stick to your beliefs even in the face of irrefutable proof and insurmountable odds. Custer’s Last Stand and the Charge of the Light Brigade spring to mind. What they both have in common of course is that they too were ultimately doomed.

As for any insults that have been thrown around, If I offended you at any point then I apologise. However, you threw a fair few insults in my direction and at least I kept what I said in the open and didn’t resort to a tantrum by PM…

One last question, will you now only allow and respond to posters in your threads who agree with your point of view? If so, that’s not going to lead too much of a discussion, is it?

Now admit it, you’ll be lonely and bored without us. :)

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

Hi every(pleasant)body,

Poor Robin Wiliams was trying to explain "conflict" but the two-headed hairy monster(s) just didn't understand because they are too nice with one another.
It did all work out in the end, though.
If only he was still around, he could have used this thread to illustrate conflict. Only thing is, like the two-headed monster, i don't want to participate in any conflict.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gl3e-OUnavQ

Anyhooossss, all of yooooosss.
LOOK what i've found! Oooooooh, i am justa curling my little toes in joy at this find as a section of it comes FROM MY OWN CITY.
YES!! It DOES! It discusses the Hotel Bonaventure UFO incident from years ago when a UFO was hovering over one of our major Montréal hotels.
Maybe their room wasn't ready - i dunno.

Most of it is in the Québec French language but don't worry, there is a "Hanglish" translation overdubbed hinto da veedio. Ahh tabaouette i tink high ham losing ma Henglish, eer.

Non, non, der is no French strippers in dis veedio, hokay?! Ehn, i am dont saying ockey like wit da puck on da h-ice, high av saying "HOKAY".
Hokay? You hunderstand me, now?

Hokay, put on your Frensh berét and grab your bol of poutine and ...les go to Montréal to listen to da Frensh policeguy talking habout da big yoo ef ho dat was overing hover da big otel.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5Hj8pUU-HU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5Hj8pUU-HU)


Babe,
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xoxo

[Stavros]

Hey Starvos,

I've showed you what i do. I study your presented "facts". I've only seen (so far) mostly the misinformation you've provided, and then i've presented what i found right back to you.

Don't you even read what i post or are ya too busy playing the "argument game" for the mere fun of it?

You started this thread on alien life, but show no genuine interest in it, or any of the scientific arguments about our cosmos and what we know about it, and whether or not alien life forms exist somewhere -which, if you look again, you will find most of us agree is possible. It is evident that your primary interest is in what you believe is a conspiracy by the US government to prevent you from knowing 'the truth' -that aliens have visited Earth- even though on all of the evidence, including the so-called 'evidence' cited in many of your links, this is just pure fantasy or part of a money-making scheme. In real life, yes, there are government cover-ups, mostly to avoid exposing the embarrassment of incompetent officials and agencies and the waste of money that goes on in Washington DC, London, Paris, Ottawa, Moscow. Just this week in the UK we have had the former head of policing at a football match in 1989 in which people died, admitting that on the day he was not competent to do the job, and has lied about those events for 26 years, something of far greater seriousness and importance than an ex-barmaid from Chicago claiming to be a 400-year old Venusian with the special insight into how we Earthlings can be nice to each other, and asking you to pay her to know how...
...none of which will do anything to change your passionate search for something that is not there.

[Laphroaig]

It occurred to me, Babe, that a number of your claims surround the fact that you believe that Aliens are secretly controlling the Government of the USA from behind the scenes. Assuming this were true, that would make the Aliens themselves responsible for the cover ups and for much of the mess this planet is in, not the Government, as you claim. The Government would merely be blameless puppets controlled by their Alien masters. Can you then really blame the Aliens for covering up all the evidence of their existence? If I was them, I’d be quite embarrassed by the terrible job they are doing of managing Earth. I'd want to hide the fact and divert the blame onto someone else.

Discuss. (of course you can’t because you’re not reading this ;) )

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

Good morning Stavros and (most) everyone else,

Every time i type your name i am reminded of that 1970s television show starring Telly Savalas as a detective named, Kojak.
There was another detective in the same precinct, named Stavros, on that show at whom Kojak would always scream to retrieve something. Stavros was played by George Savalas, Telly's real-life brother.

On youtube, you can search for a full episode of Kojak and you can hear Kojak screaming at Stavros to get stuff. It was a dramatic show, not a comedic show.

I'd like to scream at you Stavros, sometimes, to tell you to "WAKE UP! PAY ATTENTION!!" lol

How can you say that i am NOT interested in a discussion? I have most respectfully replied to practically every response, and in immense detail, sometimes. When someone presents a link, i've actually taken time out of my day to read those many links, and some of those links were way out in left field and really boring topics for me to read (thermodynamics for instance), and i've even quoted the text from the borrrrrring text and responded to their points in some detail. And what did i get back in return, nothing but more "mindless" arguments. Some were good i'll admit.
It seems they just post names of books expecting me to be absent from the forum for days or weeks while i read 4 or 5 book suggestions lol. I am not that gullible, y'know?...(Oh, i should go read that book too?...oh okay, duhhhh, i'll go read these book JUST for you" lol.) Get real! They can't even read my comments, it seems, but i am supposed to go out and read books on what THEY think is relevant.
Sadly, though, the more dominant people have been basically needlessly "arguing" with me about "what i believe in" and they have even resorted to saying i am "hopeless" for not believing in Darwin's Theory of Evolution just because they do (totally uncalled for), and calling me "the dumbest dipshit on the internet" for basically disagreeing with another's opinion (internet bullying). Un-frikken-believable, man.

Stavros, i have commented on your comments which most were all proven to be inaccurate, but i, rather, doubt you even read the stuff you post, or what i post, for the most part. You "seem" to look at the main point and then go digging on the internet for anything to try to debunk it. Then you accuse me of getting it all wrong.
THAT, my dear, is not showing interest in having an intelligent discussion, in my opinion.
As far as "arguments" go, i don't wish to "argue" because that only leads to name calling, as we have clearly seen with these dominant-type "forum warriors" who seem to think "it's their way or take the high-way"...hmmm, actually, THAT approach would be much more respectful behavior than what they have demonstrated with their low-level, high-school-corridor defamation" of my character and self-worth. That, is, also, not what i call "intelligent discussion". I call that intelligent and cleverly calculated bashing of someone's persona and of my self-impression, and i don't play that nasty hurtful "game" either.
There are so many evil names that i can call many of the members, in here, if i chose to speak my mind as freely as many others do. I've read their words as they attack others and rate posts down just for expressing themselves, what a volatile place this can be. I am not here to hurt anyone.

I had, mistakenly, considered fred41 to be a low-life troll, but he turned out to be quite a gentleman, in a way, as he doesn't FORCE his hatred onto others. He just ignores them. Sincere kudos to fred41 for not trying to destroy another person's self-image. THAT is respectful. Many people should learn from that gentlemanly behavior - like, if you have nothing nice to say, then don't say it...i am sure he doesn't like me, but i am so glad he doesn't feel as though he has to shove his hatred down my throat because of it.
Fred41 takes the high road (when it's brought to his attention that he's offended someone). Now, there's a well-brought up guy. I like that. It's too bad for me if i may have offended him, as he really "seems" to possess a very gentle soul, after all. But that's what happens when some people run with a pack of "rats", trying to fit in - they get mistaken for a rat.

Anyway, Stavros, i am quite not sure exactly from where you are coming from most of the time, you seem to just want to argue for the sake of arguing like the few others do. If that's the case, sweety, i won't be responding to you, either, in the near future because i get pretty bored of someone constantly trying to discredit me, or make me appear as someone who is not "adult enough" to communicate with, or that i "don't pay attention" to what so-called "decent people" posts.
I feel as though i pay a little bit TOO much attention to the comments to which i pay attention.
I am an extremely sensitive person and that is not always a good thing, but it's who i am - who i turned out to be in life.

I spent most of my life alone trying to catch up with "ma lurnin'" and trying to figure out what was going around me in social interactions as i never really went to school and experienced all of that "socializing" that you all did in high school and college, as i never went to high school as a teenager - ever. So i missed out on that aspect of growing up. It certainly doesn't make me a dummy, or someone unworthy of basic courtesy. It makes me a person who has a very different outlook on life as i see things through different, rose-colored lenses.
For someone, like me, who's led a pretty much abused, rather underprivileged upbringing in life, i sure did end up once being a part of an incredibly prestigious (call it a) "society". A place most of you only hear about on TV, in movies or in the news. Not that i was a "key player" or anything like that, but i was exposed to some of it and was a member of it, and i've even kept my ID card as proof (they wanted it back, but i kept it as a proof to where i have been in my life), which i sometimes "show-off" lol to my close friends who are not a part of my (escort) personal life. I can't get into any of that in any great detail because there are too many "unknown, hidden characters" in forums like these.

Stavros, your very first comment to me in December 2014 was a pleasant one if i remember correctly, but, as soon as i brought up that Valiant Thor topic, you've been posting to me like i am some sort of air head dumdum, and i am becoming quite tired of it all.
As far as i am concerned, most, not all, but most of your "points of" (what you call) "discussion" in this thread have been rather negative and very argumentative. The kind of comments i dislike.

AND, no, i don't need to have people only agreeing with me. It's certainly okay to have people disagreeing with me (if done politely).
BUT it's NOT okay (with me) when they keep on and on and on disagreeing with me and everything i say over and over and over again and calling me names when i don't agree with them, or if i maintain my opinion.
People should give it a frikken rest, already.
If you disagree, do so, then leave. Don't hang around spitting at me and expect me to bare my claws and attack you like i've read in here, just recently.
I don't like to feel like a captured animal placed in a cage and have fools rattling my cage JUST to see how angry they can make me or to see how i will behave - now that's frikken childish. Refusing to play the role of captured, caged and tortured animal is NOT childish. That is having self dignity. And, knowing what others are trying to do ESPECIALLY when they've frikken openly admitted it on the forum in this thread - which is about UFOs and aliens - i have to deal with the teen-aged mentality of someone saying, "I am expecting and fully ready for her abuse" - Hey laddy, go easy on the coffee, there. That is the behavior that should be moderated as i am being openly victimized. I will not agree to be your plaything unless it's a sexual one, and you will pay dearly for that privilege to be with "dumb dipshit" little me.

Stavros, it's the tones, after all, which create the music.
Continuous discordant intervals of musical tones makes the composition difficult to bear as it lacks harmony, unless we are discussing counterpoint, in which case, there is a specific formulaic balance of discordance which can actually make the composition much more appealing to the ear as it offers a variety of tones and makes the harmonious and discordant intervals much more rewarding. It's like Thai cuisine and how they balance the sweet with the sour with the salty and the fiery elements of each dish.
I am not seeing much of that type of balance, in here, lately. It's become, in my opinion, a Babe-bash-fest - "Let's all get her and show her how stupid she really is, and how childish we think she is, and we'll all make everyone think she is self important and self absorbed".

An escort who is not self absorbed? Geez does that even exist?
I do not consider myself as "self important" or "better than anyone" what-so-ever. I just feel confident about myself and that's about it. You people feel as if i need to be knocked down a few pegs so that i DON'T feel as self confident as i do?
I have been accused and BANNED for "absolutely irritating self promotion"? WHERE? With flirty sign-offs using animated .gifs, and flirty, sometimes suggestive words in some of my posts?
I have not even begun to advertise myself as an escort, yet, meaning with an actual escort profile or a website. What will happen then? I'll be banned for having a website, or an online escort profile to PROMOTE myself and my sexual services?

Anyway Stavros
{Spoken with a high-class Belgravian (London) accent}
"Breakfast is served, sir! Your bowl of fruity-colored Cheerios, sir. If you need anything else, sir, i shall be waiting for the bell, sir."
As you watch my bum swaying from side-to-side from under my French maid uniform, i see the reflection of your eyes in the mirror near the door switching from my butt to Roger Ramjet on the television.

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xoxo


Roger Ramjet episode
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nsQWgqlEAo

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[wearboots4me]

The poll should have had a few more answers to choose from. I think it's possible there are aliens, maybe even likely, but I can't prove they've ever visited here. Alien life forms may not necessarily be senitient beings, it could be bacteria sized organisms, who knows?

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

Hi wearboots4me,

Welcome to the thread.
NEW MEAT to taste! Mmmmmm, yummy yummy.

Thanks for your much appreciated post.

I think they either exist and have been visiting planet Earth for a very long time - MUCH longer than before the USA dropped those atomic bombs on Japan in 1945, because there are just too many historically documented artifacts that have existed in almost every culture on Earth which illustrate alien crafts and beings. Even the Bible talks of the Elohim and Nephilim.
If people believe that, then the poll response should be a simple "yes"

If people don't believe they exist and have been coming to earth then the poll response should be a simple "no".

I disagree that the poll should have different choices because my questions are simple.
I did consider offering various choices, trust me. But i've decided to keep it simple - they do exist and visit, or they don't?

There has been, and still are new, sightings worldwide to say they come here.
And if THEY visit here, then THEY must exist! Right?

Whatever they are, if they visit, they visit and they exist.
How can someone admit that UFOs are seen the skies all over the planet but in the same breath say, they do not exist?

Know what meannnn, jelly beannnn?



Babe,
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xoxo
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[broncofan]

The poll should have had a few more answers to choose from. I think it's possible there are aliens, maybe even likely, but I can't prove they've ever visited here. Alien life forms may not necessarily be senitient beings, it could be bacteria sized organisms, who knows?
If I were writing it I would write

I think extra-terrestrial beings have visited Earth

I do not think extra-terrestrial beings have visited Earth, regardless of whether extra-terrestrial life exists.

The only thing this would not clarify is the distinction between believing that aliens have visited Earth but not believing the most common testimonials and folklore. For instance, maybe you think various unexplained phenomena (stonehenge etc.) are indirect evidence of interference by intelligent beings, even though you do not believe various other tales of ufo spottings or high level conspiracies. But I think this is the cleanest bifurcation we could make.

As you say, another good question is, do you think it's probable that life exists outside of Earth. I think many of us think it's probable.

[Laphroaig]

The poll should have had a few more answers to choose from. I think it's possible there are aliens, maybe even likely, but I can't prove they've ever visited here. Alien life forms may not necessarily be senitient beings, it could be bacteria sized organisms, who knows?


Pretty much echo's my opinion. 22 pages of thread summed up nicely in just 3 lines... :)

[rodinuk]

I do not give an (unidentified) flying fuck either way :whistle:

[Stavros]

I'd like to scream at you Stavros, sometimes, to tell you to "WAKE UP! PAY ATTENTION!!" lol

How can you say that i am NOT interested in a discussion? I have most respectfully replied to practically every response, and in immense detail, sometimes. .




Your posts remind me of that comment Montaigne once made -I was going to write you a short note but I did not have time, so I have written you a long one instead...

In fact you do not discuss the points I raised, and the Valiant Thor issue provides an example, because it was clearly part of the Evangelical work that Frank Stranges was doing that mattered most to him, with the alien visitation being an essential part of his Christian message at a time of Cold War intensity; but you have never addressed either the historical context in which Valiant Thor arrived to save mankind, nor the underlying Christian foundations of the idea. In addition, you have not to my knowledge discussed the real possibilities of alien life in the universe, perhaps because a Martian version of a prawn doesn't have the allure of a superbly intelligent Venusian with a cure for cancer he doesn't want to share with non-Americans.

If you present a thread here which is based on such a lack of evidence, produced by a generation of charlatans, frauds, fantasists, anti-government whackos and hustlers looking to separate you from your money, don't be surprised if you attract negative comment. And I have never seen an episode of Kojak, and don't intent to now.

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

Hi wearboots4me,

Oops, i just realized an error in my text which i have corrected with a slightly larger red font, and i also added something in red to address your bacteria life-form comment.



Hi wearboots4me,

I think they either exist and have been visiting planet Earth for a very long time - MUCH longer than before the USA dropped those atomic bombs on Japan in 1945, because there are just too many historically documented artifacts that have existed in almost every culture on Earth which illustrate alien crafts and beings. Even the Bible talks of the Elohim and Nephilim.
If people believe that, then the poll response should be a simple "yes"

If people don't believe they exist and have NOT been coming to earth then the poll response should be a simple "no".

I disagree that the poll should have different choices because my questions are simple.
I did consider offering various choices, trust me. But i've decided to keep it simple - they do exist and visit, or they don't?

There has been, and still are new, sightings worldwide to say they come here.
And if THEY visit here, then THEY must exist! Right?

Whatever they are, whether they are in the form of bacteria, humanoid, animal form like bunny rabbits or kangaroos, plant based entities lol...WHAT EVER they are, if they visit Earth, then they must exist.
I think there are many kinds of aliens.

How can someone admit that UFOs are seen the skies all over the planet but in the same breath say, they do not exist?



If people believe aliens exist in other galaxies BUT do not come to Earth, then their poll response should be "no" because the poll question here is mostly based on "do they visit Earth?"

If any wants different poll questions, go create another thread more to your satisfaction. I really like the poll questions in this poll JUST the way they are.
As a matter of fact, i've ressurected an old thread in the general discussion forum which basically asks what you want.


Babe,
http://www.merc.ca/vbulletin/images/smilies/lips.gif
xoxo

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

Your posts remind me of that comment Montaigne once made -I was going to write you a short note but I did not have time, so I have written you a long one instead...

In fact you do not discuss the points I raised, and the Valiant Thor issue provides an example, because it was clearly part of the Evangelical work that Frank Stranges was doing that mattered most to him, with the alien visitation being an essential part of his Christian message at a time of Cold War intensity; but you have never addressed either the historical context in which Valiant Thor arrived to save mankind, nor the underlying Christian foundations of the idea. In addition, you have not to my knowledge discussed the real possibilities of alien life in the universe, perhaps because a Martian version of a prawn doesn't have the allure of a superbly intelligent Venusian with a cure for cancer he doesn't want to share with non-Americans.

If you present a thread here which is based on such a lack of evidence, produced by a generation of charlatans, frauds, fantasists, anti-government whackos and hustlers looking to separate you from your money, don't be surprised if you attract negative comment. And I have never seen an episode of Kojak, and don't intent to now.




See? You are just wasting my time and you seem to take great pleasure in that.

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

I do not give an (unidentified) flying f*ck either way :whistle:
................................................"Look!! http://www.empireonline.com/forum/image/asc.gif"


Hi again there, rodinuk,

Yea, okay, but, but the poll doesn't ask if anyone "cares".
It only asks if you believe or not.
Right?

So, whether you care or not...what do you believe roddy moddy with your hot toddy?
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The operative verb here is, believe, not, care.



Cast your vote, darn it! Cast your vote!!
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I suppose i should say it before someone else does:
"Rod believes he doesn't care."
(Babe slaps her knee and laughs - "Snort!, Har! Har Hardy-Har! Har! Snort!", and then says, "Oww-Wow! That hurt!", as she rubs her slapped-too-hard knee.)

Oooooch! Someone kiss my knee all better, please? It hurts! And while your at it, i think i feel a headache coming on and i'll be needing my bum rubbed, too, please, because that makes my headaches go away.
WHAT!?! What are you DOING!?!(Shaking you out of an apparent dream like trance.)
Just don't sit there, staring at me with your jaw dropped! Rub it!! Quickly! Hurry, do it in circular motions like my Uncle Frank used to do. I have a headache now - make it go awayyyyy! )Whine! Whine!)



Someone, rub my bum bun?
Make my headache go away?


Babe,
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xoxo

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

Hey all you unhappy poll voting campers,

LOOOOOK at thissss!
Look what Babe, has found for you.
Gosh, i'm so SWEET.

I just gave mySELF a cavity.

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=16579



No one hears you screaming in outer space.


Babe,
http://tgirlforums.com/yabbse/images/imported/2014/01/35.gif<--This is how i look.

xoxo

[trish]

OMIGOSH YOU'RE SO WONDERFUL!!!

No one hears you screaming in outer space.Unless someone left the channel open. But the channels to Dahlia are closed to all dissenting opinions.


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[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

Hi everyone,

I've been listening to Credo Mutwa for a several years now, off and on, and i think he is such a nice man.
These videos come from several years ago.

He's 94 now (in 2015).
I am not sure for how much longer he will be with us. I'd love to give him a nice, warm hug if he'd let me, and i'd love to sit there listening as he speaks and i'd fetch his tea or whatever he drinks for him.

He will be a voice in the past soon, although i hope he can live to be very, very old so he can see how the world turns out before he becomes just another memory gone from our lifetime.

He is worth a listen, so i hope many of you can sit back and listen to this slow paced but very informative interview/lecture/ call it what you will. This is the video series that i first discovered of him, several years ago.
An incredible human being.

He is introduced by David Icke in these videos.

Credo Mutwa
Part 1 (3 hours 33 minutes 58 seconds)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4apWOUNOx64

Credo Mutwa
Part 2 (2 hours 52 minutes 18 seconds)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=va4V1SA2eyk



Babe,
http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/school/teacher-smiley-emoticon.gif
xoxo

[martin48]

I am sure that Credo Mutwa honestly holds his views, and if he wishes to collaborate with David Ilke on the existence of a reptilian super race - then it is harmless fun. What is dangerous about such people is the use of their ill-founded faith to cause harm. Credo's views on the treatment of AIDS is one example. The problem is not that such charlatans exist but they affect gullible people in power to follow their baseless ideals.

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

Hi Martin,

Well, i really think David Icke has come a long way from the days, so long ago, when he first came onto the media-scene saying how he thought he was Jesus lol. He has certainly paid dearly for that TV appearance.

Since then, through his own self perseverance and determination, he's become quite a respected public figure to those who have not been brainwashed by the media.

I really don't want to see this thread becoming some great big debate all about AIDS, now, just because you brought that up, and how i posted this link (below), as such a topic as that can easily be discussed in much further detail in an already existing thread if one exists, or perhaps in a new thread that you could create if you want to, about the treatment of AIDS, so all the BigPharma shills can discredit Mr. Mutwa and his findings.

There is much more to life than BigPharma.
I, myself, am a self healer whenever possible, and i do not use any drugs to treat my illnesses, which i'm quite happy to say since i have become extremely informed about proper nutrition and self-healing, i don't have an illnesses to treat.
My doctor is always VERY surprised when she sees my general check-up blood-test-results. She keeps telling me, "I don't know how you can be so healthy".
Anyway, that is a topic which will probably never be discussed by me, seeing as the FDA and other BigPharma organizations strongly dislike people who handle their own well-being and talk about how we do so (as it's BAD for their business).

I, myself, only go to the doctor to get my blood checked, and then i ask for a print-out and i take care of what needs to be done, myself. Meaning, i do not let allow any doctor to keep my results hidden from me, as they usually just sit across the desk saying things like, "Well, everything seems to be fine", when in many people's cases, there are looming problems very visible to the doctor in the blood test results, which the doctor is just waiting to see finally erupt into a "treatable" disease that they can treat with drugs.
Any one can try to deny that all they want, but i have seen THAT happen with family members and others, too, who trusted their doctors because those people don't care - until it's too late.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vusamazulu_Credo_Mutwa (hhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vusamazulu_Credo_Mutwa)
"Traditional treatments of HIV/AIDS
Credo has been an active and vocal advocate in the use of traditional African medicines for the treatment of HIV/AIDS, cancer and tuberculosis. He created a trust called the Vulinda Trust in 1999 to preserve traditional knowledge and to promote the use of these traditional medicines. The primary focus of his research has been on a South African plant called unwele in Zulu (Sutherlandia Frutescens). Unwele is traditionally used as a well being tonic, however has demonstrated anticancer activity through in vitro studies. Research of the efficacy of Sutherlandia Frutescens in the treatment of HIV/AIDS is ongoing and phase IIb trials are being conducted at the South African Herbal Science and Medicine Institute (SAHSMI)."


Anyway, i've only posted these videos because Mr. Mutwa discussed the reptilians who live underground in part 1, not to discuss AIDS as that is really off topic, isn't it?
I've only posted the whole series of part 1 and part 2 for anyone to enjoy his wisdom, knowledge and persona.
In part 2, however, he discusses many other topics such as human sacrifice rituals.
It's really very interesting to those, like me, who possess an inquisitive and open mind.

I hope i've addressed the only points you wanted to make in your post, and i respectfully hope it can end there. Thanks for the comment, though, although it's, kind of, off topic, when looking at the thread title and poll questions.

I wanted to be the first to comment on your post to, shall we say, "nip it in the bud" before it gets too out of hand, which is what the trolls in this tread thrive on.

Getting back ON TOPIC, though, why have you not, yet, voted in the poll, Martin? Still not sure which way to vote?





Babe,
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xoxo

[broncofan]

I am aware that I am probably on ignore by Dahlia but that is a good thing because then she cannot say my comments are affecting the direction she takes this thread. But it appears that in addition to all of the wonderful views she has about history, and about government conspiracies, she also thinks people should not receive the treatments for HIV with the highest success rates (she insinuates as much without being forthright which is her modus operandi). People can live for decades on anti-retroviral drugs, whereas people who do not take them often die painfully, in denial up until their death about the causes of their worsening condition.

Once they are dead their HIV denier confederates claim they were murdered (perhaps via pneumonia), died of natural causes, or that they overdosed on over the counter vitamins. But she wants to make sure we don't go too far afield talking about the other low credibility views espoused by the legion of crackpots she promotes. Just the low credibility views that are currently up for discussion. So does anyone have anything to say about lizard people? Let's not talk about natural selection, astronomy, space travel or modern medicine...instead let's discuss the unconfirmed sightings, backroom meetings, and reptiles.

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

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Hi everyone,

Here's a nice song which mentions silver spaceships.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1e3m_T-NMOs

"After The Goldrush"

Well, I dreamed I saw the knights
In armor coming,
Saying something about a queen.
There were peasants singing and
Drummers drumming
And the archer split the tree.
There was a fanfare blowing
To the sun
That was floating on the breeze.
Look at Mother Nature on the run
In the nineteen seventies.
Look at Mother Nature on the run
In the nineteen seventies.

I was lying in a burned out basement
With the full moon in my eyes.
I was hoping for replacement
When the sun burst thru the sky.
There was a band playing in my head
And I felt like getting high.
I was thinking about what a
Friend had said
I was hoping it was a lie.
Thinking about what a
Friend had said
I was hoping it was a lie.

Well, I dreamed I saw the silver
Space ships flying
In the yellow haze of the sun,
There were children crying
And colors flying
All around the chosen ones.
All in a dream, all in a dream
The loading had begun.
They were flying Mother Nature's
silver seed to a new home in the sun.
Flying Mother Nature's
Silver seed to a new home.





Babe,
http://a1star.com/images/ufo.gif
xoxo

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

Hi everyone,

Look at this!
A frikken children's animated video with a song about aliens visiting Earth.
I am NOT alone.
This alien topic is becoming more and more mainstream.

I think many of you folks (you know who you are) spend too much time looking at t-girl pics and bickering about silly topics. You're out of the loop.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P51A7wezH50

Two aliens are flying in a saucer
Two aliens are heading to the Earth
They are too far but they are getting closer
Their tentacles are moving back and forth

One is thin and tall
The other's fat and small
But they are not ugly at all

Those aliens don't look like ugly monsters
Those aliens are cute as they can be
In fact they look like funny little hamsters
And they are coming here to meet me

One is thin and tall
The other's fat and small
But they're not ugly at all

They visit us to play with little children
Time spent with them is like the sweetest dream
They drink sweet juice and eat delicious chicken
They love cupcakes and strawberry ice cream

One is thin and tall
The other's fat and small
But they are not ugly at all


Parents are teaching their children about it, now.

LOL, i suppose the whole world is crazy except you few.


Babe,
xoxo

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

Hi everyone,

WOW! Look at this!

Even frikken Sesame Street is teaching children about aliens existing and visiting Earth.

Boy, oh boy, it's seems many of you "are NOT smarter than a 5 year old" when it comes to aliens? lol Think about it! lol!

Kids are being taught this stuff on TELEVISION - the brain-washer.

I love the Sesame Street martians with the way the speak. So cute.

I wonder what preschool children and thinking about all of this.
What exactly is being taught in kindergarten, and later, in 1st grade of school?

Geez, maybe many of you should be writing letters to the Sesame Street writers and complaining about all of this.

"OMG! Harry! They're BRAIN-WASHING My Three Sons! DO SOMETHING, Harry!"

"It's okay, Martha, it's on television."

"Oh,Harry, as usual, you're right, again, dear. Father Knows Best."



Babe,
http://yoursmiles.org/hsmile/alien/h01161.gif
xoxo

Watch them in sequence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eO33o0se_Aw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5X7ztdd_6E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Te70C_4getQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TStPNqex3uA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_trSIBCgF0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTc3PsW5ghQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZJi_NStV9k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fY5y9a05ceQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaL1A2c97hg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgEJZ1dFCog

[trish]

I am aware that I am probably on ignore by Dahlia ...I'm reminded of HAL refusing to open the pod bay doors. Not being as fully functioning as HAL was, she's already singing, "Daisey, Daisey..."

[broncofan]

This alien topic is becoming more and more mainstream.

Yeah I noticed. When you get rid of all the people who disagree, it's exactly the median view.

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

Hi everyone,

Meet Mork,

Mork's an alien, by the way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdOxzI6YNwE


Na hoo! Na noo!
Babe,
xoxo

[Laphroaig]

Hi everyone,

WOW! Look at this!

Even frikken Sesame Street is teaching children about aliens existing and visiting Earth.

Boy, oh boy, it's seems many of you "are NOT smarter than a 5 year old" when it comes to aliens? lol Think about it! lol!

Kids are being taught this stuff on TELEVISION - the brain-washer.

I love the Sesame Street martians with the way the speak. So cute.

I wonder what preschool children and thinking about all of this.
What exactly is being taught in kindergarten, and later, in 1st grade of school?

Geez, maybe many of you should be writing letters to the Sesame Street writers and complaining about all of this.

"OMG! Harry! They're BRAIN-WASHING My Three Sons! DO SOMETHING, Harry!"

"It's okay, Martha, it's on television."

"Oh,Harry, as usual, you're right, again, dear. Father Knows Best."




Watch them in sequence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eO33o0se_Aw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5X7ztdd_6E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Te70C_4getQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TStPNqex3uA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_trSIBCgF0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTc3PsW5ghQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZJi_NStV9k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fY5y9a05ceQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaL1A2c97hg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgEJZ1dFCog

:dead-1:
I wouldn't concern yourself with the possibility of the children being brainwashed. My 5 year old niece is perfectly capable of distinguishing between fantasy and reality.

ps. To everyone else on Babe's ignore list, welcome to the Club. At the moment it's very exclusive but I'm sure it will grow rapidly with time.

[Laphroaig]

Yeah I noticed. When you get rid of all the people who disagree, it's exactly the median view.


Of one person...

[broncofan]

:dead-1:
I wouldn't concern yourself with the possibility of the children being brainwashed. My 5 year old niece is perfectly capable of distinguishing between fantasy and reality.

ps. To everyone else on Babe's ignore list, welcome to the Club. At the moment it's very exclusive but I'm sure it will grow rapidly with time.
She claims that she can accept disagreement but so far it's only a theory. We have not actually encountered the environmental factors or anomalies that need to take place before someone can disagree with her without stoking a mad bout of paranoia. Perhaps it can only happen in the low gravity environment of the moon. Maybe in the methane rich environment of one of Jupiter's moons.

But pretty soon, this forum is going to look like outer space to Dahlia.

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkbWF-kDK8Y


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meZDEjhV7rE&list=PLmy5xayfatHHD0-wKJOYdN6LJgLHD82S9

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

Hi every one,

I love this episode.

Marvin the Martian and Bugs Bunny.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srgWnW81bCQ


Babe,
http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs38/f/2008/366/6/2/Bugs_Bunny_Hillbilly_by_DCRmx.jpg
xoxo

[martin48]

Happy to vote if you include a button for "None of the above'"



Hi Martin,

Getting back ON TOPIC, though, why have you not, yet, voted in the poll, Martin? Still not sure which way to vote?

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

Aww martin,

Now you're just not being any ANY fun at all (pout),

Don't worry sweety, you won't get grilled by me if you vote either way.
Everyone has a belief.
I know you are probably afraid to vote.
I don't blame you with how this thread has greatly degenerated, so far.

For all it's worth, and it's not to try to influence you, BUT, last summer, i was standing on my back balcony, and i saw in the distance two ufos.
One was flying behind the other, and the one in the rear was accelerating up to the one in front, and then when it reached it, it would stop and wait until the first once was ahead again, and then it would repeat the action. It was strange.
I ran in to get my camera but it was night time, and they were pretty far away, so i was thinking nothing would show up on the cam.
And they were pretty far away and appeared as lights smaller than pea sized objects because of the distance. When i finally got back to my balcony, they were gone.

I, often, wonder if i had ever been abducted at some time during my childhood.

Anyway, i hope you will cast a vote just the same. It couldn't hurt - could it? I mean it's just a mouse click.


Babe,
http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/kiss/sexy-blonde-kiss-smiley-emoticon.gif
xoxo

[trish]

In his newest book, The Copernicus Complex, Astronomer Caleb Scharf warns that the Copernican Principle, as a scientific thesis, is neither well formulated nor well reasoned. One application of the principle argues that because we can’t be unique, there must be life everywhere in the universe. It is an argument that appeals to physicists more than biologists.

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2011/07/16/a-skeptical-look-at-aliens/

http://praxtime.com/2013/11/25/sagan-syndrome-pay-heed-to-biologists-about-et/

One problem is scale. Surely Earth may be unique in that it’s the only planet on which Homo sapiens has evolved. But is it the only place in the cosmos in which life has evolved, or sentient life? We have just on data point: abiogenesis occurred apparently once on Earth (when it was a much different place) and four billion odd years later a species of organism has evolved which can asked, “Are we alone?” Can we really rely on the Copernican Principle and our desire for a little cosmic excitement (a date, a movie, a probing abduction...anything) to supply a rational answer?

In 2012 physicists David Spiegel and Edwin Turner published a Bayesian analysis that provides a negative answer to that question. I understand (I have not personally fought through the paper http://arxiv.org/pdf/1107.3835.pdf ) that Spiegel and Turner show the probability of extraterrestrial life depends depends on how one assigns a value to the prior probability, but most assignments lead to pessimistic conclusions. Here is a readable link explaining their result:

http://www.princeton.edu/main/news/archive/S33/52/89I01/index.xml?section=science

People who are truly interested in the truth never childishly stop their ears and loudly sing annoying tunes to keep from hearing dissent. Here is an opposing view:

http://www.livescience.com/15222-universe-analysis.html



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[trish]

Interesting piece in livescience on true believers and the planet Nibiru:

http://www.livescience.com/33380-comet-elenin-planet-nibiru-doomsday-2012.html




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[martin48]

Oh, shit, Trish! I must of missed the end of the Earth and I'd being looking forward to it for so long.

There'll be another one along soon.

Why do they never predict good things, only bad ones?

It's OK, found this - still time for me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23YWBv-7lmE&list=UUdPio646UQMa0syAycUeffQ





Interesting piece in livescience on true believers and the planet Nibiru:

http://www.livescience.com/33380-comet-elenin-planet-nibiru-doomsday-2012.html




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[trish]

Oh, shit, Trish! I must of missed the end of the Earth and I'd being looking forward to it for so long.

There'll be another one along soon.

Why do they never predict good things, only bad ones?

It's OK, found this - still time for me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23YWBv-7lmE&list=UUdPio646UQMa0syAycUeffQ
Good News: Every day is the first day of the end days.
Also in the news: http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=92323


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[martin48]

But you rise to the bait, Trish

(Now make a double entendre of that! Dare you)



Good News: Every day is the first day of the end days.
Also in the news: http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=92323


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[broncofan]

But you rise to the bait, Trish

It's only bait if the person has put it there for the sole purpose of provoking, but those posts were written with serious intent, however provocative.

[trish]

But you rise to the bait, Trish

(Now make a double entendre of that! Dare you)Or sink to the bait. Crawl to the bait. Frequently I kneel to the bait.

[trish]

It's only bait if the person has put it there for the sole purpose of provoking, but those posts were written with serious intent, however provocative.
At one point yesterday, I decided not to contribute to this thread anymore. But today I figured: Hey, it's only the OP who has chosen not to listen to a third of the thread's participants; everybody else is still listening. We can paint the flowers any damn color we wish.

[Laphroaig]

A couple of interesting articles about the possible discovery of life existing in space here:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/alien-life-found-above-derbyshire-proves-were-descended-from-extraterrestrials-say-scientists-9782153.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/microbial-life-found-living-on-the-exterior-of-the-international-space-station-say-reports-9682850.html

Whether the claims are true or not, I'm surprised there hasn't been bigger headlines about them. Must do some more digging...

[trish]

A couple of interesting articles about the possible discovery of life existing in space here:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/alien-life-found-above-derbyshire-proves-were-descended-from-extraterrestrials-say-scientists-9782153.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/microbial-life-found-living-on-the-exterior-of-the-international-space-station-say-reports-9682850.html

Whether the claims are true or not, I'm surprised there hasn't been bigger headlines about them. Must do some more digging...

http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2013/09/20/et_claims_of_alien_life_in_earth_s_atmosphere_are_ unfounded.html