Why are there so many horrible video editors in TS porn?

[TSPornFan]

Editing videos are part of making a great porno. Clearly there are many things that need to be edited out of a shot. The most important thing to remove is the director giving directions. Another thing that needs to be removed is pauses to shoot pictures. Errors caught on tape need to be edited out as well. Of course there are other issues that need to be removed as well.

I rarely see editing errors in straight porn, but I can't say the same for TS porn. Still to this day every TS porn company has serious editing problems. There are far too many scenes with the director speaking and giving directions to the pornstars. Why wasn't this removed from the finished project? It's 2015 and there isn't an excuse for why this is so common in TS porn.

So many editing errors make videos appear to be unfinished products. It feels like the video was rushed and pushed out before test playing it.

[Tapatio]

Because folks will buy it regardless? Idk.

There are some companies that seem to have higher production values but historically porn has not been about art.

If it's art they call it erotica.

Consider te difference between a Mazda and a Maserati- why is the fit and finish so much nicer on a Maserati? But then why are there so many more Mazdas on the road?

Of course, you know this. I get the feeling you're a treasure trove of porn knowledge.

You'll make a skinflick Citizen Kane someday, Franklin.

[Tapatio]

I don't think its necessarily limited to TS porn, though it may be more prevalent- maybe thinner distribution and margins?

[Instrumental]

My main squabble with TS porn and porn in general is how often they omit proper credits for actors and actresses. It's a very simple thing that they omit as a standard almost.

[GroobySteven]

ROI.
I know you have difficulty accepting this (and I know what your response will be) but companies make very little on scenes, it's an economy of scale and if we could (or had the potential to) make more per scene, then we'd invest more into the editing, but it's not there.
So we edit nearly 200 scenes a month and get them out the best we can, I don't see it stopping people buying (so many people watch with sound turned down anyway) and very few people are as detailed orientated as you are, about their porn.

The exception is when some of our producer-directors do their own things, like some Radius DVD's or Buddy Wood's DVD's. Buddy spends countless hours doing a Peckinpah (editing until I have to hold a gun to his head to get the tape for release) and delivers easily the best DVD of the year, time and time again, yet NEVER gets recognized for it by AVN or Xbiz, so it's begs the question, why bother?

[iagodelgado]

Can I volunteer on this?

Please send me 1) the editing kit 2) the shooting kit and 3) a bunch of delicious girls.

In return, I can guarantee hours and hours of meticulous editing.

Zero profit margin is fine.

[EZWind]

I rarely see editing errors in straight porn,
...really....so, either a) we're not watching the same straight porn or b) you're not watching enough of it. All those things you mention about the director not staying the fuck out of it and the still camera flashes going off, etc...all are massively prevalent in straight porn as well....and it really pisses me off too.
So, the answer to your question

....Why wasn't this removed from the finished project?
...is easily explained by Lilly Tomlin as Ernestine.....we don't care....we don't have to. It takes time, energy and money to fix that shit...Unfortunately for us sticklers of detail...they are apparently satisfied enough w/ their bottom line while not bothering with it that they don't see the need to do it right. If the consumers stopped paying for the "unfinished product" that would change I'm sure....also, not holding my breath on that score
So, what's a po boy to do? a) make your own porn b) get yourself a video editing program w/ a pan/crop feature so you can eliminate all the close-ups of the stubbly faced dudes and their hairy sweaty assholes out of the frame...and also an audio track feature so you can erase all the off- camera bullshit from Silvera and those guys. That's what I had to do

[Anubis1779]

ROI.
(so many people watch with sound turned down anyway)



Really??? While I don't blast the volume, I definitely want to hear it, especially if there's some dirty talk going on!

In the past if I've been concerned with thin walls or someone hearing otherwise, I use headphones. Are people seriously watching silent films?

[Jamie French]

The only problem I have with any of that is the "why bother" part...

*Because it means I don't have to work at Burger King,
*Because I want the most jerk-offable porn I can create with the resources at may disposal.
*Because I'm not just a producer, I'm a fan.
*Because I get to sharpen my skill set.
*Because I'd be jerking off anyhow so why not spend a little extra time doing something useful that my name is going to be attached to.

I don't need an award for my efforts, the general clout and reputation along with the fact that I don't cringe when watching my own material PLUS a steady paycheck is just fine.


ROI.
I know you have difficulty accepting this (and I know what your response will be) but companies make very little on scenes, it's an economy of scale and if we could (or had the potential to) make more per scene, then we'd invest more into the editing, but it's not there.
So we edit nearly 200 scenes a month and get them out the best we can, I don't see it stopping people buying (so many people watch with sound turned down anyway) and very few people are as detailed orientated as you are, about their porn.

The exception is when some of our producer-directors do their own things, like some Radius DVD's or Buddy Wood's DVD's. Buddy spends countless hours doing a Peckinpah (editing until I have to hold a gun to his head to get the tape for release) and delivers easily the best DVD of the year, time and time again, yet NEVER gets recognized for it by AVN or Xbiz, so it's begs the question, why bother?

[TSPornFan]

...really....so, either a) we're not watching the same straight porn or b) you're not watching enough of it. All those things you mention about the director not staying the fuck out of it and the still camera flashes going off, etc...all are massively prevalent in straight porn as well....and it really pisses me off too.
So, the answer to your question


We're not watching the same straight porn.




It takes time, energy and money to fix that shit.

Your point is just wrong on so many levels. It does not take long to remove 20 seconds of the director speaking from the video. It doesn't cost extra money at all companies already have editing software or at lease they should have it. The only problem that can't be easily fixed is camera flashing during a scene. That does take more time, money and energy to fix. The simple most solution is to turn the camera's flash off ahead of time to avoid facing this problem.

[Jamie French]

I always mute porn... I get embarrassed for the performers when I have to hear 'em. Sex noises are goofy soundin'.


Really??? While I don't blast the volume, I definitely want to hear it, especially if there's some dirty talk going on!

In the past if I've been concerned with thin walls or someone hearing otherwise, I use headphones. Are people seriously watching silent films?

[Jamie French]

Hey powers that be, just let me do all the editing... I get it done right, fast and can use the extra cash. Surgeries don't buy themselves.

[EZWind]

...Your point is just wrong on so many levels. It does not take long to remove 20 seconds of the director speaking from the video.
...you're right...not long to remove 20 seconds. Now multiply that by the hundreds of times these instances occur in an hour anda 1/2 or two hour video. And don't forget, someone has to watch the thing from start to finish w/out FFW to find all the glitches in the first place. Multiply that by how many videos are produced each week...it adds up


It doesn't cost extra money at all
...how do you figure that? Someone is going to sit and watch thousands of hours of video and find and fix all the errors...free of charge? As much as I know about how these things are produced, I could be wrong....but that sure seems highly unlikely to me

[livepersona]

Everything usually boils down to time and money. I would bet that if there was more of a demand on a bigger scale it would be done to the same standards.

When my dick is hard and I want to do is see some tits and ass so that's all I focus on. Guess I've never even heard the directors because I'm focused on that ass.

Plus...I don't watch this shit for the acting.

[TSPornFan]

...how do you figure that? Someone is going to sit and watch thousands of hours of video and find and fix all the errors...free of charge? As much as I know about how these things are produced, I could be wrong....but that sure seems highly unlikely to me

Professional companies have video editors to add special effects and remove content such as a director giving directions. Directions are not always long at all if you pay close attention to it. It's normally 5 to 20 seconds of directions to switch positions or to say a line.

It looks really bad when the same scene or line is repeated without any editing. I was watching a video last night of a director saying cut and gave directions to the pornstars. It wasn't edited out so the lines were repeated.

[themaster]

...are you also going to tell us that the story dosn't make sense, or the actor wasn't selling when they orgasmed, or the acting was just bad?

And out of curiosity what do you do for a living?

[moonunit7]

Before you even get to the editing, how about filming the scenes properly. Video lighting isn't all that expensive and it's reusable. Sometimes I think they just give the camera to some bum on the street and say go up there and film these 2 people fucking. If you're going to have dialogue, buy a cheap shotgun mic and set it up on a stand. You can fit everything you need to do a decent production in an old suitcase and there are free videos online to teach you the basics of lighting and mic'ing a scene.

Since everyone has a video camera on their phone these days, it's even easy to do a 2 camera shoot. I think the camera operator(s), actors and editers should all be listed at the end of each scene, so we can give credit to those who do a great job and blame those who suck at it.

[TSPornFan]

Before you even get to the editing, how about filming the scenes properly. Video lighting isn't all that expensive and it's reusable. Sometimes I think they just give the camera to some bum on the street and say go up there and film these 2 people fucking. If you're going to have dialogue, buy a cheap shotgun mic and set it up on a stand. You can fit everything you need to do a decent production in an old suitcase and there are free videos online to teach you the basics of lighting and mic'ing a scene.

Since everyone has a video camera on their phone these days, it's even easy to do a 2 camera shoot. I think the camera operator(s), actors and editers should all be listed at the end of each scene, so we can give credit to those who do a great job and blame those who suck at it.

I've been noticing directors in straight porn and TS porn being unable to properly use a mic. A lot of scenes lately do not have sound in the left or right speaker because the mic wasn't set up correctly.

[dreamon]

Porn is a business, not an art show. They're in the business of making money. If the product produces revenue, they'll be happy. If there was a tangible benefit to higher production quality I'm sure they'd do it. However, the vast majority of people are watching porn to jerk off, not to view a cinematic masterpiece.

[moonunit7]

Porn is a business, not an art show. They're in the business of making money. If the product produces revenue, they'll be happy. If there was a tangible benefit to higher production quality I'm sure they'd do it. However, the vast majority of people are watching porn to jerk off, not to view a cinematic masterpiece.

This is bad business.
If I have a mediocre product to sell and it sells as expected, that's fine, but like most products, when the quality improves, so do the sales.

It's not about creating a porn masterpiece. It's about doing your job and taking some degree of pride in your work, no matter what you're doing or whatever industry. I'll bet if people had the "names" in the credits, the quality would improve quickly.