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JRon
07-27-2006, 06:47 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/27/us/27chicago.html?_r=2&ref=us&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

Interesting article from today's Times. The state of Illinois passed a bill to raise the minimum wage to a living wage, and Wal-Mart subsequently released a statement saying 'It’s sad — this puts politics ahead of working men and women" - meaning that they are going to cut jobs instead of making less profit.

All too typical mentality in my opinion.

07-31-2006, 08:39 AM
Don't study, kids. Don't worry about anything!

The lawmakers are going to LEGISLATE you a'livin!

Nowhereboy
07-31-2006, 02:49 PM
Don't study, kids. Don't worry about anything!

The lawmakers are going to LEGISLATE you a'livin!

You are kidding right? $10 an hour is a living? Do the math. 40 hours a week is $400 before taxes. That comes to an annual total of $20,800. I can see college students dropping out left and right to earn that wonderful 20K.

Oh, and I'll bet that 20K goes real far in Chicago.

Stop buying the lies of the big companies. They don't care about you at all, why do you care so much about them?

JRon
07-31-2006, 05:08 PM
The entire service sector and all low-level jobs can not be serviced by high school students year round. In our system, SOMEBODY has to be employed to do menial jobs. To have a minimum wage legislated for them that does not allow them to support their families is disgusting.

So yes, we should "legislate them a'livin" so hard workers in this country can provide for their families.

08-01-2006, 02:53 AM
Don't study, kids. Don't worry about anything!

The lawmakers are going to LEGISLATE you a'livin!

You are kidding right? $10 an hour is a living? Do the math. 40 hours a week is $400 before taxes. That comes to an annual total of $20,800. I can see college students dropping out left and right to earn that wonderful 20K.

Oh, and I'll bet that 20K goes real far in Chicago.

Stop buying the lies of the big companies. They don't care about you at all, why do you care so much about them?


The job of "big companies" is not to care about you, that's your mommy and daddy's job. Get to work and stop your whining.

It is the job of companies to pay you for what your work is worth... which is determined by the free market.

A days pay for a days work.

Work is not welfare or charity. If you want more out of life, you should work and earned it. It should not be legislated to you, be it by "living wage" initiative or "work value" legislation because that is simply communism.

This "living wage" nonsense is nothing but a communist tenet which would have us all living in shared scarcity.

"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism, but under the name of liberalism, they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program until one day America will be a socialist nation without ever knowing how it happened."

- Norman Thomas presidential for the SOCIALIST PARTY OF AMERICA

specialk
08-01-2006, 03:23 AM
Allanah Star Wrote:

I have a suspicion who this TFan person is- it smells like YourDaddy-who was banned already.

Several people have tried this attempt like MixedPrettYGuy who is now CuteMixedGuy, but he has been in check (at least on here) otherwise he would have been gone, gone, gooooooooooooone. But there are others who are banned, lurk back and then they get chopped again.

I'll bet u anything I am right.

chefmike
08-01-2006, 03:41 AM
LMAO..our latest knee-jerk neo-nazi forgot to include the myth of so-called "trickle-down" economics in his limbaugh/hannity/oreilly talking points...

You know things are getting bad when even China can use our own statistics against us...and please refresh my memory...what was the budget surplus when the great satan Clinton left office? You fucking jackass...

China’s Report on US Human Rights Record in 2000
Information Office of China's State Council


III. Widening Gap Between Rich and Poor and Deteriorating Situation of Worker's Economic and Social Rights

The latter part of the 20th century was the most economically prosperous period in US history, with the economic growth rate rising steadily 118 months by the end of 2000.

However, the gap between the rich and poor widened and the living standards of the laborers went from bad to worse. Pressing issues such as poverty, hunger and homelessness proved difficult to solve.

The gap between the rich and poor in the United States grew at the same pace as the economic growth. Statistics show that the richest 1 percent of the US citizens own 40 percent of the total property of the country, while 80 percent of US citizens own just 16 percent.

Since the 1990s, 40 percent of the increased wealth went into the pockets of the rich minority, while only 1 percent went to the poor majority.

From 1977 to 1999, the after-tax income of the richest 20 percent of American families increased by 43 percent, while that of the poorest 20 percent decreased 9 percent, allowing for inflation. The actual income of those living on the lowest salaries was even less than 30 years ago.

An article in the February 21, 2000 issue of US News and World Report pointed out that the average income of the richest 5 percent of families in 1979 was 10 times of that of the poorest 20 percent of families. In 1999, the income gap had been enlarged to 19 times, ranking first among the developed countries, and setting a record since the Bureau of Census of the United States began studying the situation in 1947.

The income of the executives of the largest US companies in 1992 was 100 times that of ordinary workers, and 475 times higher in 2000.

According to an assessment by the US journal Business Week in August 2000, the income of chief executive officers was 84 times that of employees in 1990, 140 times in 1995, and 416 times in 1999.

the rest of this article here-

http://academic.udayton.edu/race/06hrights/GeoRegions/NorthAmerica/china03.htm

08-01-2006, 03:47 AM
LMAO..our latest knee-jerk neo-nazi forgot to include the myth of so-called "trickle-down" economics in his limbaugh/hannity/oreilly talking points...

You know things are getting bad when even China can use our own statistics against us...and please refresh my memory...what was the budget surplus when the great satan Clinton left office? You fucking jackass...


I'm not sure what the government budget has to do with China.

Please explain.

And your insults... thats only more childishness from you.



China’s Report on US Human Rights Record in 2000
Information Office of China's State Council


III. Widening Gap Between Rich and Poor and Deteriorating Situation of Worker's Economic and Social Rights

The latter part of the 20th century was the most economically prosperous period in US history, with the economic growth rate rising steadily 118 months by the end of 2000.

However, the gap between the rich and poor widened and the living standards of the laborers went from bad to worse. Pressing issues such as poverty, hunger and homelessness proved difficult to solve.

The gap between the rich and poor in the United States grew at the same pace as the economic growth. Statistics show that the richest 1 percent of the US citizens own 40 percent of the total property of the country, while 80 percent of US citizens own just 16 percent.

Since the 1990s, 40 percent of the increased wealth went into the pockets of the rich minority, while only 1 percent went to the poor majority.

From 1977 to 1999, the after-tax income of the richest 20 percent of American families increased by 43 percent, while that of the poorest 20 percent decreased 9 percent, allowing for inflation. The actual income of those living on the lowest salaries was even less than 30 years ago.

An article in the February 21, 2000 issue of US News and World Report pointed out that the average income of the richest 5 percent of families in 1979 was 10 times of that of the poorest 20 percent of families. In 1999, the income gap had been enlarged to 19 times, ranking first among the developed countries, and setting a record since the Bureau of Census of the United States began studying the situation in 1947.

The income of the executives of the largest US companies in 1992 was 100 times that of ordinary workers, and 475 times higher in 2000.

According to an assessment by the US journal Business Week in August 2000, the income of chief executive officers was 84 times that of employees in 1990, 140 times in 1995, and 416 times in 1999.

the rest of this article here-

http://academic.udayton.edu/race/06hrights/GeoRegions/NorthAmerica/china03.htm


I see the liberal brainwash in effect here.

Rather than work and fight for your place in the world, you've been trained to bitch and moan about how bad your situation is AND blame others!

LOL! With that mentality, it's no wonder some people are poor!

Stop your whining already.

chefmike
08-01-2006, 04:04 AM
Americans will never adopt socialism,but under the name of liberalism,they will adopt every fragment of the socialism until one day America will be a socialist nation without ever knowing how it happened"-Norman Thomas SOCIALIST PARTY OF AMERICA

Thats the best you can do?...LMAO...Joe McCarthy lives...

08-01-2006, 04:20 AM
Americans will never adopt socialism,but under the name of liberalism,they will adopt every fragment of the socialism until one day America will be a socialist nation without ever knowing how it happened"-Norman Thomas SOCIALIST PARTY OF AMERICA

Thats the best you can do?...LMAO...Joe McCarthy lives...


No actually, that's the best Norman Thomas could do. As much as I loath socialists, I can respect a scumbag who lets me know where he's coming from, rather than a scumbag who conceals his intentions through unions and "living wage" legislation.

JRon
08-01-2006, 03:47 PM
It is the job of companies to pay you for what your work is worth... which is determined by the free market.

A days pay for a days work.[/b]

A complete reliance in free market resulted in a little thing call stagflation a few years back.

No one here thinks we should get away from the market system (at least I don't), but that doesn't mean we can't pay workers with families the pay that their work is REALLY worth.

If you think our economy can survive without menial labor then you are out of your damn mind. We depend on their services, and should reward them with 10 dollars instead of 5 or 6 dollars an hour, instead of exploiting their services because we have the power to do so. They work in those jobs for a reason, yes. And that reason is probably, for the most part, that they aren't as smart as some one getting paid 60 grand a year. But that sure as hell doesn't mean they don't work as hard. As such, this is certainly not a "hand-out" by any stretch of the imagination.

Tfan, I'm sure that you would subscribe to the notion that "absolute power corrupts absollutely" when discussing communism, but the same applies for unregulated free market capitalism. It is a travesty for big corporations to exploit labor as they do now.

Quinn
08-01-2006, 04:57 PM
It is the job of companies to pay you for what your work is worth... which is determined by the free market.

A days pay for a days work.[/b]

No one here thinks we should get away from the market system (at least I don't), but that doesn't mean we can't pay workers with families the pay that their work is REALLY worth.

If you think our economy can survive without menial labor then you are out of your damn mind. We depend on their services, and should reward them with 10 dollars instead of 5 or 6 dollars an hour, instead of exploiting their services because we have the power to do so. They work in those jobs for a reason, yes. And that reason is probably, for the most part, that they aren't as smart as some one getting paid 60 grand a year. But that sure as hell doesn't mean they don't work as hard. As such, this is certainly not a "hand-out" by any stretch of the imagination.
Cosign.

-Quinn