Should a Post Op TGirl tell a man she had an operation?

[jamesedwards]

Should a man who thinks a TGirl who is post op know she had an operation?

I think she should because if he wants children and then a doctor tells him she can't have children beeeeeccccaaauuuuussssseeeee !!!!

That could get really ugly.

I read recently where a female had a Fallopian tube and no uterus and she was born with a cock. Once you have a Fallopian tube you are born a woman it's just a mishap. She lived as a woman and looked like a woman. but when you have an operation that's different.

[GroobySteven]

If the man, had sex with the girl and didn't realize that she'd had surgery, then he probably shouldn't be part of the gene pool anyway.

Do I believe people should be open and upfront about their history prior to sex? YES.

Do I believe people should be open and upfront about their history prior to dating? NO.

[fab]

Yes.
Then the man will love for who she really is.

[Ecstatic]

Do I believe people should be open and upfront about their history prior to sex? YES.

Do I believe people should be open and upfront about their history prior to dating? NO.

Well said, Steven. While I think it is the woman's decision, I agree that past history, prior to sex--and certainly prior to marriage or the equivalent--should be open and honest.

[jamesedwards]

Your answer was very confusing to me Grooby. I don't get it.



If the man, had sex with the girl and didn't realize that she'd had surgery, then he probably shouldn't be part of the gene pool anyway.

Do I believe people should be open and upfront about their history prior to sex? YES.

Do I believe people should be open and upfront about their history prior to dating? NO.

[jamesedwards]

Yes.
Then the man will love for who she really is.

True. :werd:

I meet a TGirl and she still had her dick, and she is what you called a passing Tgirl, she is pretty. I wanted to fuck her had no idea she was a TGirl and she wanted to fuck also and she told me straight up, she had a dick and she like hammering guys so if I wanted to play lets play. but she was up front. The sex was dynamite! She had fantasies she wanted to live out and we did most of them. But she told me what was.

[omnifarious]

In a serious, long-term relationship - yes.

[fireblad]

I read recently where a female had a Fallopian tube and no uterus and she was born with a cock. Once you have a Fallopian tube you are born a woman it's just a mishap. She lived as a woman and looked like a woman. but when you have an operation that's different.

Thats really wierd. Did the woman actually think she was a woman even though she had a cock as a child?

[AshlynCreamher]

Never under any circumstances should a post op ever tell anyone anything about her past - go forth and enjoy being a woman.

[jamesedwards]

In a serious, long-term relationship - yes.

Ok, I heard that.

[LI SEAN08]

For me its all about the illusion of getting on my knees for a hotty and having her put her shecock between my lips. Ive already fucked 2 post ops in my life, and both wer dry, and kept having to add lube. I rather have a real pussy to fuck.

[jamesedwards]

Never under any circumstances should a post op ever tell anyone anything about her past - go forth and enjoy being a woman.

Let me ask you this, if she is in a relationship and that man finds out and he gets angry do you think it is ok? He will feel deceived?

[CoolAwesomeBXDude]

definitely a yes

[jamesedwards]

Thats really wierd. Did the woman actually think she was a woman even though she had a cock as a child?

Yeah she is clinically a woman she had fallopian tubes but no ovaries, it's a weird thingy, but once you have the tubes you are a woman. And she looks like one. I was trying to find the link where I read it, should of saved it.

[jamesedwards]

For me its all about the illusion of getting on my knees for a hotty and having her put her shecock between my lips. Ive already fucked 2 post ops in my life, and both wer dry, and kept having to add lube. I rather have a real pussy to fuck.

Oh dammmmmmm that's messed up. Let me ask you or any Post ops out there, do they still cum through their now new pussy when they have sex?

You said it was dry huh? I would imagine that it's a surgery thingy and in the place wouldn't be able to produce liquid, unless the doctors made sure of that type of function.

[GroobySteven]

Your answer was very confusing to me Grooby. I don't get it.

Surgery is very good and the reconstructed vagina can look and feel excellent. However, is still looks and feels very different to a non-constructed vagina. My comment, if someone did go with a post-op and they didn't guess, then probably better that they don't procreate.

[jamesedwards]

Surgery is very good and the reconstructed vagina can look and feel excellent. However, is still looks and feels very different to a non-constructed vagina. My comment, if someone did go with a post-op and they didn't guess, then probably better that they don't procreate.

Your first line I got it, but the second I didn't get and what I have in bold, if a TGirl is post op and had a guy if they had sex they will never be able to procreate. Did you mean they shouldn't have sex?

[GroobySteven]

Your first line I got it, but the second I didn't get and what I have in bold, if a TGirl is post op and had a guy if they had sex they will never be able to procreate. Did you mean they shouldn't have sex?

No, I meant if he was that stupid he shouldn't be having children and contributing to the gene pool anyway. You asked "because if he wanted children".

It was pretty much self-explanatory and really ... should it have to be explained?

[jamesedwards]

No, I meant if he was that stupid he shouldn't be having children and contributing to the gene pool anyway. You asked "because if he wanted children".

It was pretty much self-explanatory and really ... should it have to be explained?

Gotcha now, yes you wrote something that wasn't clear, anything that's not clear should be done until it's clear, wouldn't you agree? You're statement now verses the above is totally different. if it was that self explanatory I wouldn't have had to ask again.

How does it make a guy stupid if a TGirl looks like a woman and has surgery, he won't be able to tell unless he gets a doctors note saying the woman he is with is not a woman but a TGirl.

This is a question that's good because there might be a TGirl going through this right now.

[GroobySteven]

Gotcha now, yes you wrote something that wasn't clear, anything that's not clear should be done until it's clear, wouldn't you agree?

It was completely clear, what I failed to realize was the inability to grasp a simple concept by a member of this forum. If English isn't your first language then fair enough.

[GroobySteven]

How does it make a guy stupid if a TGirl looks like a woman and has surgery, he won't be able to tell unless he gets a doctors note saying the woman he is with is not a woman but a TGirl.

This is a question that's good because there might be a TGirl going through this right now.

You are continuing to show a lack of something ...

You do realize that a vagina constructed with sexual re-assignment surgery isn't the same as a vagina right? I've just explained this.

[bigpapi81]

Never under any circumstances should a post op ever tell anyone anything about her past - go forth and enjoy being a woman.

I have been with post op girls, no man will ever be fooled, a post op vagina and a real one look smell and taste VERY DIFFERENT

[jamesedwards]

You are continuing to show a lack of something ...

You do realize that a vagina constructed with sexual re-assignment surgery isn't the same as a vagina right? I've just explained this.

Yep, I do know that, and see how clear you said it here? smh
Trust me I don't lack anything, but I am very detailed in what someone says and how they use words.

[jamesedwards]

I have been with post op girls, no man will ever be fooled, a post op vagina and a real one look smell and taste VERY DIFFERENT

Well, ummmmmmmm every vagina don't taste the same and I have seen Post Ops that if I didn't know they were Post Ops I couldn't tell they had an operation. If a good surgeon did it, I don't think a dude would be able to tell. :werd:

This Post Op looks very natural.

http://img1.imagehousing.com/56/c800b26abf084b2e2628b5154ba996e2.jpg (http://www.imagehousing.com/image/1218533)

http://img1.imagehousing.com/81/7943d9e6786ce056805872d1e1b6a5a9.jpg (http://www.imagehousing.com/image/1218534)

[GroobySteven]

They look great but they don't look realistic enough that most people would be fooled.

[GroobySteven]

Yep, I do know that, and see how clear you said it here? smh
Trust me I don't lack anything, but I am very detailed in what someone says and how they use words.

You're def. lacking something - probably good to stay out of the gene pool also. :whistle:

[fred41]

Hmmm...

[fireblad]

Hmmm...

I think you would have anything mate.

[fred41]

I think you would have anything mate.

lol...oh yeah...but the pic wasn't in reference to that.

[fireblad]

lol...oh yeah...but the pic wasn't in reference to that.

The asian is a fake.

[fred41]

Is the air in here getting thin or something....maybe it's oxygen deprivation.

Someone better check the canary.

[broncofan]

Is the air in here getting thin or something....maybe it's oxygen deprivation.

Someone better check the canary.

What do you have against canaries?

[fred41]

What do you have against canaries?

As long as they keep singing...nothing. :)

[asianfemboi]

I have been with post op girls, no man will ever be fooled, a post op vagina and a real one look smell and taste VERY DIFFERENT

Taking your small experience and generalizing it does not work. It would be like a statistician basing statistics off his or her life experiences. Plastic surgeon's skills vary greatly. Some people you can not tell they had major plastic surgery, while others you can. Regards to taste, you do realize that the tissues of the vagina and the penis are essentially the same but changed under the influence of estrogen vs test (it is why biologist are able to change male mice testes into ovaries and visa versa).

[natina]

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=78650&page=2
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=78650&page=2
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=78650&page=2
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=78650&page=2

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=78650
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=78650
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=78650
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=78650


Mate, your girlfriend was a bloke
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/mate-your-girlfriend-was-a-bloke/story-e6frf0a0-1111115482079


Belgian man shocked to learn wife of 19 years is a man

http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/28/belgian-man-shocked-to-learn-wife-of-19-years-is-a-man/#ixzz2DYtwbveX

[jamesedwards]

Taking your small experience and generalizing it does not work. It would be like a statistician basing statistics off his or her life experiences. Plastic surgeon's skills vary greatly. Some people you can not tell they had major plastic surgery, while others you can. Regards to taste, you do realize that the tissues of the vagina and the penis are essentially the same but changed under the influence of estrogen vs test (it is why biologist are able to change male mice testes into ovaries and visa versa).


:werd: Big thumbs up! Someone with some sense. They don't get it, if a man never been with a TGirl never know what an SRS is or even look like, these people think he will know. First off the guy is in a different sexual mode than those that like TGirls, he won't know. Even if the Surgery isn't great and he suspects he will ask the TGirl "Why does your pussy look the way it does?" And that's when she is going to have to tell him.

Some people will flip the fuck out and kill a TGirl if she lie, see people don't think about things like that. If you come up straight up he has the right to know, he might stay or not, He will find out one way or another and it might not be pretty. Tell the truth! Don't listen to people that say don't do it.

[jamesedwards]

Natina is like HA's news reporter LOL Never disappoints!

[JenniferParisHusband]

Should a man who thinks a TGirl who is post op know she had an operation?

I think she should because if he wants children and then a doctor tells him she can't have children beeeeeccccaaauuuuussssseeeee !!!!

That could get really ugly.

I read recently where a female had a Fallopian tube and no uterus and she was born with a cock. Once you have a Fallopian tube you are born a woman it's just a mishap. She lived as a woman and looked like a woman. but when you have an operation that's different.

Yes, absolutely she should tell him.

Forget the fact that it doesn't look, feel, smell, or taste like a real vag, and he is an idiot for not knowing. Although, I live in a town that is very bible-belt-ish, 40 year old virgins running around in their white shirts drinking postum, and who haven't seen a twat since they emerged from one, and I don't think a lot of the more religious guys here could identify a vagina if you gave them a photo of one and map to it's location. This little shit-hole part of the world, there are still some very naïve people. And some of them don't react well to that kind of thing.

But take just a simple shag. It's dangerous, as was made very apparent in the Philippines, not every guy takes learning the truth well. A one nighter you pick up in a bar, hell you're probably to drunk to know. For her safety, she should always tell.

For a relationship though, take the kids out of it. Relationships are about trust. If you don't have trust with someone, why even bother with a relationship in the first place. If you are going on a date with someone, not just looking to hook up, but a proper date, it's about building a relationship. It won't last if it starts on a lie. I would want to know. If I liked being with them, and had a good time, it wouldn't matter to me. But I'd rather know than wonder what else they aren't telling me.

[jamesedwards]

Great info JenniferParisHusband! You and Natina and that other person gave great points. So this post wasn't as dumb as some thought. Those the type of people I wouldn't trust at all! Thanks

Not telling someone for 19 years is nuts!



Yes, absolutely she should tell him.

Forget the fact that it doesn't look, feel, smell, or taste like a real vag, and he is an idiot for not knowing. Although, I live in a town that is very bible-belt-ish, 40 year old virgins running around in their white shirts drinking postum, and who haven't seen a twat since they emerged from one, and I don't think a lot of the more religious guys here could identify a vagina if you gave them a photo of one and map to it's location. This little shit-hole part of the world, there are still some very naïve people. And some of them don't react well to that kind of thing.

But take just a simple shag. It's dangerous, as was made very apparent in the Philippines, not every guy takes learning the truth well. A one nighter you pick up in a bar, hell you're probably to drunk to know. For her safety, she should always tell.

For a relationship though, take the kids out of it. Relationships are about trust. If you don't have trust with someone, why even bother with a relationship in the first place. If you are going on a date with someone, not just looking to hook up, but a proper date, it's about building a relationship. It won't last if it starts on a lie. I would want to know. If I liked being with them, and had a good time, it wouldn't matter to me. But I'd rather know than wonder what else they aren't telling me.

[bigpapi81]

Taking your small experience and generalizing it does not work. It would be like a statistician basing statistics off his or her life experiences. Plastic surgeon's skills vary greatly. Some people you can not tell they had major plastic surgery, while others you can. Regards to taste, you do realize that the tissues of the vagina and the penis are essentially the same but changed under the influence of estrogen vs test (it is why biologist are able to change male mice testes into ovaries and visa versa).

Um no absolutely not the same, a post op vagina tastes and smells like a penis and a real vagina has a very distinctive taste and smell, not to mention the vagina wraps the penis much more differently.....If you get fooled by a post op girl either you have never been with a woman or you're a complete retard.

[GroobySteven]

Anybody who has experience with women born with a vagina - would know the difference between a surgically constructed one. It doesn't matter how good the surgeons skills are. I accept that someone with little experience with woman - or in the circumstances where the post-op woman would keep the lights off and not allow oral, then some naive individuals ... could be fooled.

Sorry to burst your bubbles.

James Edwards ... have you even been with a woman - or a post-op TS?

[Ecstatic]

I have a post-op friend who is an occasional fuck buddy, who I have known for over 10 years. She had her SRS performed by Dr Suporn about 20 years ago, superb work, looks and feels very natural. Can I tell the difference? Of course. Is it nonetheless a wonderful, sublime, sexually satisfying experience to penetrate her pussy? Yes indeed, absolutely.

[holzz]

erm...yes they should.....i don't see why relationships must be based on deceit/lies, but there you go..

[holzz]

Well, ummmmmmmm every vagina don't taste the same and I have seen Post Ops that if I didn't know they were Post Ops I couldn't tell they had an operation. If a good surgeon did it, I don't think a dude would be able to tell. :werd:

This Post Op looks very natural.

http://img1.imagehousing.com/56/c800b26abf084b2e2628b5154ba996e2.jpg (http://www.imagehousing.com/image/1218533)

http://img1.imagehousing.com/81/7943d9e6786ce056805872d1e1b6a5a9.jpg (http://www.imagehousing.com/image/1218534)

I admit they look real, but doesn't justify lying to partners....if that's what you do, then fine...

[holzz]

If the man, had sex with the girl and didn't realize that she'd had surgery, then he probably shouldn't be part of the gene pool anyway.

Do I believe people should be open and upfront about their history prior to sex? YES.

Do I believe people should be open and upfront about their history prior to dating? NO.

yep, since many people know about SRS, or about transgenderism...

[cutesteph]

When lab grown organs become a success, I am sure most post op transwomen will want to have vaginas with all the plumbing grown from stem cells. It is even possible to create eggs or sperm from skin cells. It is possible to change chromosomes from XY to XX on a near complete scale by re-constituting the XX blastocyst cells and culture them with bone narrow stem cells so the body replenishes itself with XX chromosomes in lieu of XY chromosomes. Would you guys still consider it necessary for a post-op transwomen to say even if she has the real thing and he ability to produce children?

[GroobySteven]

When lab grown organs become a success, I am sure most post op transwomen will want to have vaginas with all the plumbing grown from stem cells. It is even possible to create eggs or sperm from skin cells. It is possible to change chromosomes from XY to XX on a near complete scale by re-constituting the XX blastocyst cells and culture them with bone narrow stem cells so the body replenishes itself with XX chromosomes in lieu of XY chromosomes. Would you guys still consider it necessary for a post-op transwomen to say even if she has the real thing and he ability to produce children?


Best question of the week.

I don't know. I think it's difficult going into a serious/marriage type relationship with something like that being a secret - but then we all have secrets, much would depend on the individuals.

[tranylover]

I would hope she tells me when she's balls deep in my ass! Oh wait...

While sitting on my sticky wet face, covered with her cream :tongue:

[jamesedwards]

I admit they look real, but doesn't justify lying to partners....if that's what you do, then fine...

I agree with YOU! I am against lying, a Post Op shut be up front from the beginning. Let the man make the choice not on deceit. The tragedies that have happen to Post ops and Pre ops is enough to want to tell the truth so there won't be any craziness. If the guy knows up front he can't say shit afterwards.

Your post was simple and straight to the point I agree.

I don't care how many pussies a man has been around if he never ever ever, never ever, never ever ever ever never been with a Post op he won't be able to tell. If you know already a TGirl is a Post op of course you will know the difference people, because YOU know her to be a TGirl already. this is to general people not you Holzz

[jamesedwards]

You said a lot of clinical terms, yet the last statement is of no affect because no matter how stem cell research goes, you can't make a man have an Uterus or Fallopian tubes and Ovaries. That's the clinical constitution of a woman and the foundation in order to have a child.

So to answer your question she should tell him, because a Tgirl will never have UFO! lol man that worked out right, Uterus, Fallopian tubes and Ovaris=UFO!



When lab grown organs become a success, I am sure most post op transwomen will want to have vaginas with all the plumbing grown from stem cells. It is even possible to create eggs or sperm from skin cells. It is possible to change chromosomes from XY to XX on a near complete scale by re-constituting the XX blastocyst cells and culture them with bone narrow stem cells so the body replenishes itself with XX chromosomes in lieu of XY chromosomes. Would you guys still consider it necessary for a post-op transwomen to say even if she has the real thing and he ability to produce children?

[Tapatio]

You said a lot of clinical terms, yet the last statement is of no affect because no matter how stem cell research goes, you can't make a man have an Uterus or Fallopian tubes and Ovaries.

Lol at "you said a lot..." Good stuff!

I weirder, though- we can reroute to send organs blood when the normal supply is lost, and we've already grown ears and livers- can we create nerve connections yet?

I feel like we'd need working nerve connections to make them function correctly, but I bet internal organs are possible soon, if not now.

I can't imagine that sort of thing being affordable anytime soon, though. Surgery would be outrageous and then you have the organs...

Stem cell 3d print cartridges are prolly expensive AF.

[Tapatio]

Would you guys still consider it necessary for a post-op transwomen to say even if she has the real thing and the ability to produce children?

I think in this case the answer is still "yes."

Some people are never going to be OK with transsexuals and some who are obviously aren't confident enough to deal with negative reactions from their friends/families.

But give me a world in which everyone accepts transsexuals or in which the details never come to light, and i think it's OK for the Bionic TS to keep quiet.

We have the technology...

[GroobySteven]

I don't care how many pussies a man has been around if he never ever ever, never ever, never ever ever ever never been with a Post op he won't be able to tell.

YES HE WILL.
You didn't answer the question. How many post-op girls have you been intimate with - or for that answer, how many "pussies". I'm presuming the answer is low to nil, for both.

[jamesedwards]

LOL yeah, but we know from the fact the difference between male and female. as said men don't have certain organs as a woman like UFO!


Lol at "you said a lot..." Good stuff!

I weirder, though- we can reroute to send organs blood when the normal supply is lost, and we've already grown ears and livers- can we create nerve connections yet?

I feel like we'd need working nerve connections to make them function correctly, but I bet internal organs are possible soon, if not now.

I can't imagine that sort of thing being affordable anytime soon, though. Surgery would be outrageous and then you have the organs...

Stem cell 3d print cartridges are prolly expensive AF.

[jamesedwards]

Embarrassment is a motha fucka. Like that guy that came on the Jenny Jones show and there was a gay person there after him, so he left the show calm, and then he killed the person.


I think in this case the answer is still "yes."

Some people are never going to be OK with transsexuals and some who are obviously aren't confident enough to deal with negative reactions from their friends/families.

But give me a world in which everyone accepts transsexuals or in which the details never come to light, and i think it's OK for the Bionic TS to keep quiet.

We have the technology...

[diddyboponTOP]

No need unless blind or lived in a cave they know once again though sexy as hell no such thing as a possible ts...I dated a piat OK off and on for years a very beautiful one too but she was spooked often and heckled.

[jamesedwards]

Lots of pussy, I am with a GG now! she is My Domme! I have not been with any Post Op TGirls, I love Pre-Op TGirls. The question wasn't about ME being with Post Op TGirls! If I were to get with one and didn't know I have the right to know! There's your answer




YES HE WILL.
You didn't answer the question. How many post-op girls have you been intimate with - or for that answer, how many "pussies". I'm presuming the answer is low to nil, for both.

[jamesedwards]

HOw do yall explain the news that Natina gave about men not knowing for years? There are men that can't tell between a TGirl and a GG, there are TGirls that look better than GG's. I have seen GG's that say they look like drag queens when they are women! Not everyone will be able to tell the difference and if you say Every man will know, then yall are delusional as fuck!

[JenniferParisHusband]

...you can't make a man have an Uterus or Fallopian tubes and Ovaries. That's the clinical constitution of a woman and the foundation in order to have a child.

So to answer your question she should tell him, because a Tgirl will never have UFO! lol man that worked out right, Uterus, Fallopian tubes and Ovaris=UFO!

Well.... not necessarily.

"The breakthrough could also be meaningful to transgender people seeking sex-reassignment surgery, though the researchers did not comment on that possibility."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/04/11/lab-grown-vaginas-successfully-implanted-in-girls-in-tissue-engineering-first/

[StlyeMeCunty]

Regardless of what a girl thinks, she should tell. I mean... I would want to be able to make a decision about something like that if my partner were the transperson as well.

[bigpapi81]

Lots of pussy, I am with a GG now! she is My Domme! I have not been with any Post Op TGirls, I love Pre-Op TGirls. The question wasn't about ME being with Post Op TGirls! If I were to get with one and didn't know I have the right to know! There's your answer

Bingo, that's why you're so clueless about the difference between a a real vagina and a post op vagina, if you ever get down with a post op girl... you'll see.

[jamesedwards]

Bingo, that's why you're so clueless about the difference between a a real vagina and a post op vagina, if you ever get down with a post op girl... you'll see.

Duuuuuuuuuuuuh! If you have seen I put up pics of Post Ops TGirls, I don't need to be with one to see how they look. SMH and you got the nerve to call me clueless? You lummox, It should of came to your mind that there are pics on the internet I can see. and another Duhhhhhhhhh My GG has a pussy so ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm............ Think about that, there's a hint in it!

You're off topic, should a TGirl Post op tell her partner she had an operation of SRS! Me knowing how one looks really don't fucking matter. So instead of answering the dam question you must think the TGirl should lie, so there goes your word right out the door! can't trust you!

[BJ4TS]

Most guys just want to get their dick wet. as long as he's happy, there's no need tell.....unless he falls madly in love. Then he should be informed.

[jamesedwards]

Show me a post where they can engineer a Uterus, Fallopian Tubes and Ovaries, Plus place it in a man and it fully function, then come back. I wasn't talking about a vagina. And it doesn't say they cane make a UFO in that article.


Well.... not necessarily.

"The breakthrough could also be meaningful to transgender people seeking sex-reassignment surgery, though the researchers did not comment on that possibility."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/04/11/lab-grown-vaginas-successfully-implanted-in-girls-in-tissue-engineering-first/

[GroobySteven]

Duuuuuuuuuuuuh! If you have seen I put up pics of Post Ops TGirls, I don't need to be with one to see how they look. SMH and you got the nerve to call me clueless? You lummox, It should of came to your mind that there are pics on the internet I can see. and another Duhhhhhhhhh My GG has a pussy so ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm............ Think about that, there's a hint in it!

You're off topic, should a TGirl Post op tell her partner she had an operation of SRS! Me knowing how one looks really don't fucking matter. So instead of answering the dam question you must think the TGirl should lie, so there goes your word right out the door! can't trust you!


No he IS on topic. You are the dumbo.
You do realize that all of Danielle Foxx's images of her vagina are retouched right? I think some of the other more famous models may be also.

They don't look real. If you can't tell the difference between a surgically constructed vagina or a real one, then you've a problem.

[bigpapi81]

Duuuuuuuuuuuuh! If you have seen I put up pics of Post Ops TGirls, I don't need to be with one to see how they look. SMH and you got the nerve to call me clueless? You lummox, It should of came to your mind that there are pics on the internet I can see. and another Duhhhhhhhhh My GG has a pussy so ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm............ Think about that, there's a hint in it!

You're off topic, should a TGirl Post op tell her partner she had an operation of SRS! Me knowing how one looks really don't fucking matter. So instead of answering the dam question you must think the TGirl should lie, so there goes your word right out the door! can't trust you!
There's no reasoning with you, you live in your on little bubble and the FACTS are not going to get in your way, lol.

[jamesedwards]

Nope, won't go with what you're saying, did you even read the topics of Natina's? You keep thinking I am dumb because I won't side with some of your ignorant assholes. Not everyone will be able to tell, get that through your dam thick head! Stop assuming everyone deal with TGirls on a fucking regular basis! I can care less about retouching someone pics, who said something about that? Again you're off fucking topics, and you have not produced a single factual article on this topic to prove your bullshit and you won't. Just because I don't side with your lummox bullshit I am dumb, you're crazy as fuck!



No he IS on topic. You are the dumbo.
You do realize that all of Danielle Foxx's images of her vagina are retouched right? I think some of the other more famous models may be also.

They don't look real. If you can't tell the difference between a surgically constructed vagina or a real one, then you've a problem.

[jamesedwards]

There's no reasoning with you, you live in your on little bubble and the FACTS are not going to get in your way, lol.

Ok, here's your chance Bigpapi, show me some facts that all men know the difference between a real pussy and a TGirl's Post Op pussy! I'm giving you the chance to show facts.

[jamesedwards]

Some of you assholes have went off topic then say that person is not off topic. WTF are you characters talking about a man can tell the difference, wtf are you talking about? That's not the topic! The topic is "Should a Post Op TGirl tell a man she had an operation?" not " Can men tell a real pussy from a Post Op pussy"?

Some of you are pathetic, delusional and spit constant rhetoric as though it's facts and you haven't produced not one piece of fact! I'm a fucking leader not a follower! And when I know something I am sticking to it.

[VeraReyna]

Kinda of new to the boards thought I'd chime in on the topic. I'll be soon in the process of transition, HRT. Decision been long time coming.

In respect to the topic, if I were in that position I'd prefer to be completely honest rather then lead someone to believe I'm something & that's not the case. Perhaps because I'm comfortable in my skin helps me consider that. I just feel its best.

Everyone is entitled to feel different on this. However I believe its fair, I couldn't live with myself being dishonest. To do so & then the consequences of the discovery afterwards. Just don't fit.

Tell'em the truth & if they want to stick around great. If not its ok too. Long as I did my duty. They are free to choose.

I understand the reasons why some wouldn't. However that's another topic to drag into.

Yet for me I prefer to sleep good at night.

[jamesedwards]

See this is exactly what I am talking about! Thank you Vera Reyna, for answering the question and not bringing any red herrings to explain yourself.

When dealing in a relationship, one of the things on the list is honesty, this helps to build a better relationship, if we don't have that then we would live in a lie and the relationship will be destroyed. Even in heterosexual relationships.

THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE TRUTH IS NOT TOLD AND THE MAN ACTUALLY DIDN'T KNOW THE TGIRL ONCE HAD A PENIS! SO IT'S NOT AS EASY TO TELL LIKE SOME SAY!

Look at what he said that makes this dangerous!Not only will it hurt the two but children also!:

The couple decided not to have kids, because Jan had two children from a previous marriage.

He said Monica duped him by using sanitary napkins while pretending to menstruate.

"Even during sex, I never noticed anything," he said.

Monica “has also forged documents used here to get a residence permit,” Verjauw said. “The children, who for years have lived with her, are devastated.”

http://www.whatsonshenzhen.com/news-4709-belgian-man-jan-finds-out-indon-wife-monica-is-a-transgender-after-19-years.html

http://img1.imagehousing.com/20/534710d5380a7dc2a97f484854d8c627.png (http://www.imagehousing.com/image/1219198)

http://www.lipstickalley.com/showthread.php/118637-Man-Finds-Out-That-His-Girlfriend-Use-To-Be-A-Man



Kinda of new to the boards thought I'd chime in on the topic. I'll be soon in the process of transition, HRT. Decision been long time coming.

In respect to the topic, if I were in that position I'd prefer to be completely honest rather then lead someone to believe I'm something & that's not the case. Perhaps because I'm comfortable in my skin helps me consider that. I just feel its best.

Everyone is entitled to feel different on this. However I believe its fair, I couldn't live with myself being dishonest. To do so & then the consequences of the discovery afterwards. Just don't fit.

Tell'em the truth & if they want to stick around great. If not its ok too. Long as I did my duty. They are free to choose.

I understand the reasons why some wouldn't. However that's another topic to drag into.

Yet for me I prefer to sleep good at night.

[jamesedwards]

Man brutally beats woman after finding out she’s transgender; she dies

http://img1.imagehousing.com/67/f6807bb58bb615e0ebd8129a081203a7.jpg (http://www.imagehousing.com/image/1219199)
Vaughn Nettles/MySpace

A Harlem woman maintaining two identities on social media (one female, one male) was savagely beaten in Harlem. Islan Nettles, 21, was walking down Frederick Douglass Blvd. at 148th Street in Harlem, NY with people thought to be friends when brutally attacked. It was early Saturday morning on Aug. 17, 2013 when Paris Wilson, 20, repeatedly punched and verbally abused Nettles because he learned Islan was transgender.

http://rollingout.com/criminal-behavior/man-brutally-beats-woman-after-finding-out-shes-transgender-she-dies/

[SXFX]

Either way ladies...please be careful...not all men are nice...and god i hate to say it...but the "thuggier" the guy...note wife beater shirt, neck tat and no real job with benefits...the odds are higher he will do something bad.

[VeraReyna]

See this is exactly what I am talking about! Thank you Vera Reyna, for answering the question and not bringing any red herrings to explain yourself.

When dealing in a relationship, one of the things on the list is honesty, this helps to build a better relationship, if we don't have that then we would live in a lie and the relationship will be destroyed. Even in heterosexual relationships.

THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE TRUTH IS NOT TOLD AND THE MAN ACTUALLY DIDN'T KNOW THE TGIRL ONCE HAD A PENIS! SO IT'S NOT AS EASY TO TELL LIKE SOME SAY!

Look at what he said that makes this dangerous!Not only will it hurt the two but children also!:

The couple decided not to have kids, because Jan had two children from a previous marriage.

He said Monica duped him by using sanitary napkins while pretending to menstruate.

"Even during sex, I never noticed anything," he said.

Monica “has also forged documents used here to get a residence permit,” Verjauw said. “The children, who for years have lived with her, are devastated.”

http://www.whatsonshenzhen.com/news-4709-belgian-man-jan-finds-out-indon-wife-monica-is-a-transgender-after-19-years.html

http://img1.imagehousing.com/20/534710d5380a7dc2a97f484854d8c627.png (http://www.imagehousing.com/image/1219198)

http://www.lipstickalley.com/showthread.php/118637-Man-Finds-Out-That-His-Girlfriend-Use-To-Be-A-Man
No problem James. Glad I was helpful. The hate crimes you listed are those main reasons why I prefer to be honest. My hopes tolerance will prevail.

Unfortunately ignorance continues to run rampant so it seems the day finally everyone lives, let live openly may only be a pipe dream. :-(

We'll find out.

[jamesedwards]

This was my point, people saying negative things to me as if I don't know what I am talking about yet I pull out facts, and they are just assuming everyone thinks like them, they are so caught up into their one minded view and being so involved with TGirls they think everyone should know and that's not the case. You are right about ignorance.

SXFX is also right, profound what you said!



No problem James. Glad I was helpful. The hate crimes you listed are those main reasons why I prefer to be honest. My hopes tolerance will prevail.

Unfortunately ignorance continues to run rampant so it seems the day finally everyone lives, let live openly may only be a pipe dream. :-(

We'll find out.

[GroobySteven]

... yet I pull out facts, and they are just assuming everyone thinks like them, they are so caught up into their one minded view and being so involved with TGirls...

You're writing about yourself here a little? You deny what people with more experience are telling you about post-op surgery. There are always going to be a few anecdotes about some naive or inexperienced men, who have been fooled but that's not the norm. So you've not pulled out any facts.

You're so caught up in what you believe, you refuse to listen to people with experience, when you have none.

Why open a thread with a question - when you already had your answer and were refusing to move from it?

[jamesedwards]

No I am seeing from a distance of logic. NOT EVERY MAN WILL KNOW THE DIFFERENCE! How can you sit here and say every man should or will know? When I just showed difference pieces of evidence yet you and others who think like you haven't!

Of course I have a thought that's why I opened it. I am not arguing the point that one should tell or not, you some of you went off point saying a man should know, and I said not all will know and yall tried to tell me other wise with no proof. I am ok if a TGirl doesn't tell her mate, but I wouldn't want that done to me, but others have answered the question quite well like Vera etc.

But again, lets keep it on subject!



You're writing about yourself here a little? You deny what people with more experience are telling you about post-op surgery. There are always going to be a few anecdotes about some naive or inexperienced men, who have been fooled but that's not the norm. So you've not pulled out any facts.

You're so caught up in what you believe, you refuse to listen to people with experience, when you have none.

Why open a thread with a question - when you already had your answer and were refusing to move from it?

[mrwiseguy]

I would handle it the same way I would handle any kind of "personal" information that you begin to divulge as a relationship intensifies. Superficial flirting and one night stands are one thing, but the more you get to know each other, the more honest you should be about yourself. And as with anything about yourself, you do risk losing that person if they don't like you for it or are put off by it. That's the chance you take.

That said, I have quite a checkered past myself (you don't want to know), including things that have positively scared off potential girlfriends. But in the end, all that is what and who I am, it is part of the person that I am today, and if you don't like it, well, it's your loss. If you can't look past it, I'm just not the one for you.

And I think that's not a bad frame of mind to be in... for anybody.

[natina]

most guys do not know what a postop transsexual is and they will get fooled.

I WILL NOT OUT A BUNCH OF STEALTH MODELS NOW ONLY RECENTLY HAS JESSICA RABBIT BEEN OUTED ANDTHAT WAS AFTER SOMEONE SEEN PHOTOS OF THEM ON SITES LIKE THIS AND THE GIRLS(gg) WAS GOING TO ALL THE NEWS OUTLETS AND OUTING JESSICA RABBIT.

there is a few TS from some famous lingerie magizines I know that no one knows except for a very few people.In met them in beverly heels at an event.

there are TS THAT ADVERTISe IN EROS AND a few other sites and have modeled for play boy and know one has figured them out yet.

if they marry someone famous people go digging up there pass and then they are OUTED like TULA

I bet many of you don't remember the TS that fooled the world in hustler magizine!!

these guys mostly have never seen a postop pussy up close and they would not know really what to look for unless its a very bad job and not a work of art!



http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=78650&page=2
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=78650&page=2
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=78650&page=2
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=78650&page=2

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=78650
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=78650
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=78650
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=78650


Mate, your girlfriend was a bloke
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/mate-your-girlfriend-was-a-bloke/story-e6frf0a0-1111115482079


Belgian man shocked to learn wife of 19 years is a man

http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/28/belgian-man-shocked-to-learn-wife-of-19-years-is-a-man/#ixzz2DYtwbveX

[danoblue]

they should tell them.

I've been with a post-op girl and it was fun.

If you see the pussy up close you generally can tell that's why it's probably best to not shave down there, the hair covers up and makes it look more real.

[jamesedwards]

Let me ask you a question. What if a man notice small scars around the Post Ops pussy, he ask what's that not knowing about SRS, and she tells him a lie saying she had an operation of cancer so they cut her there. He falls for it because it's a good excuse. We know the TGirl would be wrong, but do you think lots of men would by into that?



they should tell them.

I've been with a post-op girl and it was fun.

If you see the pussy up close you generally can tell that's why it's probably best to not shave down there, the hair covers up and makes it look more real.

[AdaBlackXXX]

Should a man who thinks a TGirl who is post op know she had an operation?

I think she should because if he wants children and then a doctor tells him she can't have children beeeeeccccaaauuuuussssseeeee !!!!

That could get really ugly.

I read recently where a female had a Fallopian tube and no uterus and she was born with a cock. Once you have a Fallopian tube you are born a woman it's just a mishap. She lived as a woman and looked like a woman. but when you have an operation that's different.

If your not trans it's simply not your right or call. Want say? Go take some estrogen and testosterone blocker. Pre/Post genitalia doesn't mean shit. This imaginary woman if you will was a woman the day she was birthed. it's completely her decision to live stealth or be open. She doesn't have to tell anyone. Why would she? She's been a female since day one. Stick to your tube sites and shut your pie hole. :thumbsdown

[Rusty Eldora]

I think the canary passed out around #29.

What needs to happen is to get society to be understanding enough that there is almost no fear or risk of harm in telling. Should a person identify if they are a virgin or had 100 partners before sex. I would recommend but not required.

Should someone tell that they have a lousy credit score before the relationship gets deep - probably and it is going to be found out.

If a partner isn't aware enough to notice it was SRS initially, but finds out after 5 years, will this event go over better at year 5 than before the first time - gee I am not sure. That is probably a question for the detectives.

Should the partner be adult enough to accept and continue forth when told at the appropriate time, a full yes. He should be very supportive of the woman he loves. Will she be happier with that loving support - i hope so.

[Jericho]

If a partner isn't aware enough to notice it was SRS initially, but finds out after 5 years, will this event go over better at year 5 than before the first time - gee I am not sure. That is probably a question for the detectives.

As has been pointed out earlier, you'd have to be pretty dumb to not notice, but, let's assume...

If someone dropped a bombshell like that on me. Lying to me all that time. No discussions, their bag would be on the doorstep and their arse following it, quicktime!

[Anika]

I read recently where a female had a Fallopian tube and no uterus and she was born with a cock. Once you have a Fallopian tube you are born a woman it's just a mishap. She lived as a woman and looked like a woman. but when you have an operation that's different.

Aha, why is it "different"?

Is it possible you guys are afraid you could not tell if a woman is gg or post-op,

In opposite to what lots are posting here... ?

[Anika]

As has been pointed out earlier, you'd have to be pretty dumb to not notice

And why is all the discussion here?

I think you re not too shure if you will notice it.

[JenniferParisHusband]

most guys do not know what a postop transsexual is and they will get fooled.

I WILL NOT OUT A BUNCH OF STEALTH MODELS NOW ONLY RECENTLY HAS JESSICA RABBIT BEEN OUTED ANDTHAT WAS AFTER SOMEONE SEEN PHOTOS OF THEM ON SITES LIKE THIS AND THE GIRLS(gg) WAS GOING TO ALL THE NEWS OUTLETS AND OUTING JESSICA RABBIT.

there is a few TS from some famous lingerie magizines I know that no one knows except for a very few people.In met them in beverly heels at an event.

there are TS THAT ADVERTISe IN EROS AND a few other sites and have modeled for play boy and know one has figured them out yet.

if they marry someone famous people go digging up there pass and then they are OUTED like TULA

I bet many of you don't remember the TS that fooled the world in hustler magizine!!

these guys mostly have never seen a postop pussy up close and they would not know really what to look for unless its a very bad job and not a work of art!




I didn't think the Victoria's Secret catalog could get hotter. Just did! Awesome!!!! If it's the S. American model I'm hoping it is, I will be a very happy man!

[Jericho]

And why is all the discussion here?
I think you re not too shure if you will notice it.

Oh, I'm pretty damn sure! :rolleyes:

[jamesedwards]

What? It's not about me being afraid. It's about having the RIGHT TO KNOW! That's it, I seen some clown say the TGirl have all the rights, yet that same clown isn't thinking about the person's rights that has a long relationship in the dark. That's it, it's not complicated!



Aha, why is it "different"?

Is it possible you guys are afraid you could not tell if a woman is gg or post-op,

In opposite to what lots are posting here... ?

[jamesedwards]

Natina hit it on the head, we showed facts that all men don't know the difference between a Post op pussy and regular pussy. Men how have absolutely never known a TGirl and don't even Plan to may not know the difference, these type of men are deemed stupid, and they are not stupid.
But that's not the question.

The question is should the TGirl tell the truth because the man has the right to know, and people keep talking about the TGirl has all these rights and keep forgetting about the man as if he has no rights! He isn't the one changing his physical form the TGirl is, if she is keeping it in secret ok, won't be mad at that but be prepared for the consequences of that. The man who is not looking for a TGirl and he is thinking she is a GG that's his right.

I am a lover of TGirls but I must be fair and logical!

[runningdownthatdream]

It's irrelevant to me. I don't need to know although I would hope that at some point she would feel secure enough to mention it. However, it really comes down to the character of the man and whether he's the type that needs to know and the reasons he would need to know. If there are things you think you cant tell your partner because of their bigotry or intolerance its probably wiser to just find another partner. No way should it be divulged at the beginning of the relationship as it's something that could either kill it or have it progress for the wrong reasons - i.e.: pity or empathy. Better to gauge the man and make the decision later.

[AdaBlackXXX]

What? It's not about me being afraid. It's about having the RIGHT TO KNOW! That's it, I seen some clown say the TGirl have all the rights, yet that same clown isn't thinking about the person's rights that has a long relationship in the dark. That's it, it's not complicated!

Nnnn.. NO. Post op trans women don't need to discuss some medical problem with anyone. It would be as simple as a broken finger beyond that point. As far as she is concerned shes female. Your right it's really not complicated at all. Shes been female all her life and shes packing a vagina. A relationship in the dark? He married a woman and fell in love with her. Look your a chaser your gunna stay that way. We understand you cant wrap your tiny brain around trans issues so how about you just stop. Here you go. Some tube porn for yah. See you in 2 minutes. ლ(ಠ益ಠ)ლ

[AdaBlackXXX]

Have fun ^^

[dreamon]

In my humble opinion, a successful relationship requires full honesty between the two partners. If you want to have a long-term, healthy relationship, you need to be able to trust and fully understand your partner. With that in mind, it would be hard to fully understand what makes your significant other who they are without knowing about their childhood, their past, etc.

[Anika]

What? It's not about me being afraid. It's about having the RIGHT TO KNOW! That's it, I seen some clown say the TGirl have all the rights, yet that same clown isn't thinking about the person's rights that has a long relationship in the dark. That's it, it's not complicated!

If you are shure you can tell a post-op from a GG everytime, you know it anyway.

So whats the point of your big letters?

[jamesedwards]

Hmmmmmmmmm did you just say medical problem and don't need to discuss it to a guy in a relationship in the same sentence? :confused:

All you people is doing is talking and haven't showed any facts, it's just opinions, I don't want that show facts! I have shown there are problems with this if the man expected to get with a woman but turns out to be a TGirl who transformed into a female in her point of view. Stop worrying about what I feel, and worry about the guy for once. You all are trying to make it seem like I have the problem but it's really you!

So riddle me this smart ass, TGirl married to a man who don't know anything about TGirls, don't like them, she has SRS then he finds out 10 years later by someone else. He's mad as shit, and he is ready to kill the TGirl, how do you solve this old wise one? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm



Nnnn.. NO. Post op trans women don't need to discuss some medical problem with anyone. It would be as simple as a broken finger beyond that point. As far as she is concerned shes female. Your right it's really not complicated at all. Shes been female all her life and shes packing a vagina. A relationship in the dark? He married a woman and fell in love with her. Look your a chaser your gunna stay that way. We understand you cant wrap your tiny brain around trans issues so how about you just stop. Here you go. Some tube porn for yah. See you in 2 minutes. ლ(ಠ益ಠ)ლ

[jamesedwards]

Asking me that question is nuts!

Ask me:

"Should a Post Op TGirl tell a man she had an operation?"



If you are shure you can tell a post-op from a GG everytime, you know it anyway.

So whats the point of your big letters?

[jamesedwards]

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaam! Profoundly said!

The key word he said was "honesty between two partners"!

All I have been seeing is one sided views for the TGirl not to say nothing. I accept that if the TGirl didn't, buuuuuuuuuuuuuuttttttttttttttt! Accept the consequences that come along with that if the guy gets really upset.

The reason I started this because who knows someone might be going through this. I am getting bashed basically for starting a thread that might could help someone through a serious situation. The FACT is TGirls are getting KILLED! Those that say she don't have to say nothing aren't realizing TGirls are getting killed behind this very subject.

Thank you Dreamon for that profound presentation!



In my humble opinion, a successful relationship requires full honesty between the two partners. If you want to have a long-term, healthy relationship, you need to be able to trust and fully understand your partner. With that in mind, it would be hard to fully understand what makes your significant other who they are without knowing about their childhood, their past, etc.

[holzz]

erm...ok..

so i've seen arguments like "well if the guy is dumb enough not to tell the difference, then he's a fucking dope and deserves what he gets!!"

Ok...lolool.. so the man must go to medical school, and be a practicing gynaecologist, to not be deemed a dope now? i think this would "fool" many men who don't have that medical knowledge..and through no fault of their own. to assert that any man is dumb not to tell the difference is...well retarded and dopey....

And let's put the shoe on the other foot....he fucks hi gf/wife in her pussy or arse, she gets a rash and he says "oh, sorry babe, but then my semen has an infection, nothing serious to me though, i live with it without much trouble..." and say she needs to go to the hospital to get special antiobiotics to clear it....still OK to lie then?

[mrwiseguy]

Some here have mentioned the appearance of a post-op pussy in comparison to a GG vagina as a telltale sign somebody has had work done downstairs.

Well, I have seen post-op vaginas - in pictures, unfortunately so far not in real life - that were positively a beautiful work of art by whatever surgeon created them. But in the end, I think I would spot a post-op vagina any day, any odds.

Would it put me off if it came to a real life sexual encouner? I don't think so. If I am turned on enough by a person to land between the sheets with them, it would probably be a detail where I would think "oh... now that's something...!" - but in the end, I would very probably just keep doing what I have been doing up to that point... ;)

[jamesedwards]

Good post. Now for you, you already have a head start in the game to know TGirls vs a guy that don't know anything about TGirl's life, or a SRS, not all people know about this in depth. So the Average guy won't tell, especially if the surgeon was that dam good!

Thanks for your post happy new year



Some here have mentioned the appearance of a post-op pussy in comparison to a GG vagina as a telltale sign somebody has had work done downstairs.

Well, I have seen post-op vaginas - in pictures, unfortunately so far not in real life - that were positively a beautiful work of art by whatever surgeon created them. But in the end, I think I would spot a post-op vagina any day, any odds.

Would it put me off if it came to a real life sexual encouner? I don't think so. If I am turned on enough by a person to land between the sheets with them, it would probably be a detail where I would think "oh... now that's something...!" - but in the end, I would very probably just keep doing what I have been doing up to that point... ;)

[jamesedwards]

THANK YOU! thumbs up! See now I am seeing who is actually the dummies here in HA.

Another profound thought, that was right on the money!

Have a happy new year!



erm...ok..

so i've seen arguments like "well if the guy is dumb enough not to tell the difference, then he's a fucking dope and deserves what he gets!!"

Ok...lolool.. so the man must go to medical school, and be a practicing gynaecologist, to not be deemed a dope now? i think this would "fool" many men who don't have that medical knowledge..and through no fault of their own. to assert that any man is dumb not to tell the difference is...well retarded and dopey....

And let's put the shoe on the other foot....he fucks hi gf/wife in her pussy or arse, she gets a rash and he says "oh, sorry babe, but then my semen has an infection, nothing serious to me though, i live with it without much trouble..." and say she needs to go to the hospital to get special antiobiotics to clear it....still OK to lie then?

[jamesedwards]

Ima say this, you sound stupid as fuck!


Nnnn.. NO. Post op trans women don't need to discuss some medical problem with anyone. It would be as simple as a broken finger beyond that point. As far as she is concerned shes female. Your right it's really not complicated at all. Shes been female all her life and shes packing a vagina. A relationship in the dark? He married a woman and fell in love with her. Look your a chaser your gunna stay that way. We understand you cant wrap your tiny brain around trans issues so how about you just stop. Here you go. Some tube porn for yah. See you in 2 minutes. ლ(ಠ益ಠ)ლ

[jamesedwards]

I see the people here that would lie in a heart beat and pass it off as " It's my business, I've been a woman from birth". smh no logic what so ever