I have a question for all you Boys....

Hi I have a question :smile:...

Of all you men who like to visit this site how many are "bottoms" or secretly is that your main reason for going to a "T" ??

As a working girl and a T I have had some great experiences. I am a bottom, Viagara makes me versatile.. I never enjoy it but it's not my fantasy it is theirs...

I am a facilitator.

I always think it is funny when a man assumes I like to „top‰ because he has been expose to too many Porn movies.

Not trying to piss on the parade but allot of girls are just working long enough to make the money to do some „fix-up‰ surgeries and get the final Op and out<sum>

Merry Christmas

I am sure there are as many girls on the opposite side of the coin as me. Who really only like to top.. I have some really sad news though<sum> most of those girls can be fierce looking.. but the majority lived as gay men before they where tranies<sum>

Food for thought


Cheers

Baby, don't you think we know most of the girls don't like topping us? If they did, why would we have to pay u?

It's all a fantasy. Nothing more, nothing less. Personally I've always felt anyone who goes to see a TS but doesn't want to be topped is either lying to himself or wasting his money

SAME HERE BRO. IF I'M SPENDING MY DIME TO GET DICKED DOWN, JUST DO THE DRIVING AND PRETEND TO ENJOY IT. I HATE GIRLS WHO FUCK UP THE MOOD BY MAKING FACES AND CHARGING EXTRA FOR THE JOB. YOUR GETTING PAIDED TO DO.

Thanks for answering my original post.

I am relieved to know (at least) that you know it is your fantasy not "theirs."

So at least there is a "touch" of reality there.

Sexual fantasy is great and everyone should have one. I guess I am just lucky to live in a city where the competition is slim and the reason my clients see me is that I look as good as most of the genetic girls who "work" in the city. So I don‚t have to top that much and my regulars would keep me going without ads for the next year with no problems. Don't get me wrong... I'm not "All That!"(nothing in fact, compared to any of the L.A. girls -- Tara, Veronica or Kimberly Devine, all of who‚ve I‚ve met in person at some time or another) but the biz doesn't seem to attract really attractive girls (of any type.)

So at this Christmas I will thank god for small blessings (like Viagara)

P.S. I doubt anyone who is going to Tara, Veronica, and Kimberly is wasting their money. If that bit extra was gone I suspect they could all work at the best strip clubs in the states as genetic women.

Cheers again

I've been with Kim and believe me, she enjoys topping. She's said it many times.

I'm versatile and don't mind being a top or bottom. However if I was a top only I'd just do regular girls. Pussy always feels better than ass. If the tranny has been around a lot the ass is loose and the sensation is minimalized. My overall preference is to be topped. I don't do this often so I'm usually pretty tight. That way the dick doesn't have to be a monster to feel good. The initial pain always leads to incredible pleasure so even if the TS is faking it, it feels good to me. If she cums that's a bonus. She evidently got some enjoyment out of it. Plus she's getting paid. It's my nickle and I aim to be pleased.

i remember when i first got into this whole TS Secret Society :smile: I always assumed that I wouldn't want to be topped. It seemed like a faggot or punk thing to do. but the more i would see it in videos and in pictures, the more it turned me. The sight of a cock and a sexy woman behind it. i had to try it. and i think lots of guys were just like me, they either don't want to try it because of how other people view it (which is stupid, especially if your paying) or they want to try it and are scared they might like it.

as for me. i'm a believer!

Speaking from inexperience, I consider myself straight but dreams of 'topping' a fine ass transz. Man, some of these t-girls are just sexy, flat-out. I look at it as doing anal on a born chic. I like to sex sensuously, so I do wonder if a transz can give me a true girlfriend experience.

I enjoy sexy sensuous transsexuals very much but have no desire to be topped. But do enjoy everything else.

I really do not understand my attraction-and don't really care. Just enjoy it.

Do they enjoy topping? Good question. I look at the escort listings of various sites and the wording that goes with the listings. First of all, the pix. If they're showing a nice, hard cock, they probably do enjoy it or tolerate working as a TOP. Next, the text - if the text says hung, very hung, versatile or very versatile, they usually do work TOP with no objections. May actually enjoy doing it. Of course, there are a few that come right out and say they enjoy or prefer working as TOP escorts. Oh yeah, if the text mentions their size, they TOP.

I love to bottom for a T-girl unitl she explodes then suck her until she explodes again in my mouth.....love to please here and generous.

Maybe I am just a freak. I like 2 sex women and fine t/s. Top only. If that makes me bi, I can live with that. But if she looks good, nice body and all why not? Iwant 2 do them, their d*ck becomes irrelevant if she gives a good girlfriend experience. Nothing goes in my ass.

[s2000p2]

same here, never taken it,enjoy giving it but with a TS a 69 must be the utlimate...

[Trekmeister66]

I think that sometimes the size of the girl matters when a guy considers being topped by her. Have to start out small and work up to the bigger girls if you like it. Might want to buy a small toy to get yourself used to it before getting the real thing.

yeah because Joanna Holmes is everyone's fantasy, but not too many people (first-timers or otherwise) can handle a huge cock like hers, no matter how much lube one would use. that shit would hurt like a motherfucker for weeks

what length is good to start out with?

Absolutely I wanna be topped by T-Girls--and I love to suck their cocks too. I've had varied reactions from "you're a freak!" to "you bet baby, let me at that ass." As another post said, If I didn't want that I'd be with genetic females. However, in some cases I've more than happy to return the favor. To this T-Girl lover they are the most erotic creatures on the planet. Can't be topped (pun intended). I've been fortunate as most of my experiences have been positive with pros and dates/pick-ups.

[Trekmeister66]

You can be sure it would hurt if you went for the "big" girls first. A small toy, then a small "girl" first. Work your way up in size gradually. Do it that way and it'll all be pleasure, no pain.

I'm a top and as of late I've discovered my more dominate side via a hot, hot session with my TS girlfriend's best girl friend-- all my wifey's blessing of course. So top I am top I is. Now I did do the dirty deed twice with the wife and it ain't my cup of tea. Never say never but I did not get it. The main reason was to appease her but I think she wanted to put to the test the strength of an ideal passed along to her from other t girl's who swear that if you fuck your husband he'll never leave you. Well it's must be some truth to it since our on and off relationship has covered some 8 years or so but no more "bussy" (boy pussy) on my part

[Trekmeister66]

Size should refer to thickness when considering a first time experience. You want someone not too thick to open you up. Length and thickness should be a comfortable combination that increases with experience.

I JUST GOTTA SAY THAT I CAN TELL BY THE WAY YOU ASK US GUYS YOUR LITTLE QUESTION THAT YOU ARE BOTHERD BY THIS.THATS GREAT IF YOUR A BOTTOM.IM A TOP....BUT...I THINK ITS A SHAME THAT YOU FEEL THE NEED TO TELL THE GUYS THAT THE GIRLS ARE WORKING TOWARD SEX CHANGES AND THAT MOST GIRLS DONT LIKE TO TOP.I DID SEE THAT YOU DIDNT SAY ALL GIRLS.BUT YOU DID SAY THAT MOST OF THE GIRLS THAT LIKE TO TOP ARE NOT THAT GOOD LOOKING OR MASCULINE ANY WAY....HOW DARE YOU SAY THAT...I HATE TO INFORM YOU BUT MOST TRANSEXUAL ARE EXOTIC BUT NOT GOOD LOOKING AT ALL COMPARED TO REAL GIRLS.....AND.....TO BE HONEST NO GUY WANTS A FAKE PUSSY.I WOULD BE WITH A REAL GIRL IF THATS WHAT I WANTED.DO NOT PUT US GUYS DOWN CAUSE SEXUALLY WE LOKE CHICKS WITH DICKS....CAUSE IF WE DIDNT YOU WOULD HAVE TO GET A REAL JOB.....AND YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS....WORK....A 4 LETTER WORD TO MOST TRANSEXUALS...SO THANK GOD FOR US TRANNY CHASERS...GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR PUSSY CAUSE WHEN YOU GET IT YOUR GONNA SEE HOW MANY GUYS REALLY WANT IT......NONE THAT I KNOW OF...NOT ME....SEE YA

I think most of us who love Tgirls consider ourselves straight, even if we go down on them. But once you get topped, that's it, you're a faggot. That's where I draw the line.

[thanos]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but if you're going to classify someone as a faggot because they get topped, and not because they suck dick, the double standard staring you in the face is too funny.
A label is a label, but the funny thing about a label is, there's little wiggle room with them. Either you are or you aren't.

Hey ALL CAPS Anonymous....Nice work, that's how I feel/am about this whole TGirl attraction thing for me. Nothing wrong with the original poster telling us how it is for most of the Tgirls or whatever, but if she gets her "final op and out" she's in for a nasty surprise when she learns how much pussy there is out there to compete with, and all the guys that liked her the way she used to be are no longer an option. Plus her pussy will be that shallow, stitched-on variety with those weld marks around it. Like you said, then she's going to have to get a real job. She's also going to have to learn to spell and to type. Nonetheless, it's always good to remember that all Tranny Chasers are Kings!!

IM GLAD YOPU LIKED MY POST..I MENT NO SHADE TO ANYONE.I REALLY DIDNT.BUT IM SICK OF TRANNYS COMPLAINING AND PUTTING DOWN GUYS WHO LIKE TRANNYS.THE NAME TRANNY CHASER IS A PUT DOWN I LIKE YOUR VERSION BETTER....KINGS FOR OUR QUEENS.

yuo got that right buddy

yeah we dont really want cock in our ass maybe just maybe down our throats.

we just really want to pound that t/s ass and get a really nice bj...

at least thats how i feel..

[Trekmeister66]

Do we really care? Seems to me guys that are negative might feel threatened by a shemale. Would put more weight in someone's opinion if they'd register a username with the site.

[crewdawg]

Well as for me I think sex is sex. I don't mind doing the fucking or be fucked. I even don't mind giving the bj too. If the two of you like it do it. For all the nay sayers if you don't want it or to do it then don't. Just to put labels on anyone that does.

[robertlouis]

Well as for me I think sex is sex. I don't mind doing the fucking or be fucked. I even don't mind giving the bj too. If the two of you like it do it. For all the nay sayers if you don't want it or to do it then don't. Just to put labels on anyone that does.

Blimey, nine years after the previous post - this isn't revival, it's archaeology!

[robertlouis]

Oops, sorry crewdawg, hadn't spotted you were a newbie, so welcome!

[hotnphx]

Blimey, nine years after the previous post - this isn't revival, it's archaeology!


LOL my thoughts exactly..

[fred41]

Blimey, nine years after the previous post - this isn't revival, it's archaeology!


LOL my thoughts exactly..

You both thought "Blimey" at the same time ?!

[robertlouis]

You both thought "Blimey" at the same time ?!

Blimey, you too Fred??? :)

[Chaotic]

Props for putting the search function to good use.....wish more newbies would do that. :lol:

[Birgitta]

I think most of us who love Tgirls consider ourselves straight, even if we go down on them. But once you get topped, that's it, you're a faggot. That's where I draw the line.

I agree 100% looool

[Birgitta]

. The main reason was to appease her but I think she wanted to put to the test the strength of an ideal passed along to her from other t girl's who swear that if you fuck your husband he'll never leave you. Well it's must be some truth to it since our on and off relationship has covered some 8 years or so but no more "bussy" (boy pussy) on my part

Looooool omg

[callahac]

I admit it, I love to be bottomed. Love it from tgirls, love it when my wife uses a strapon (she has known I am gay for quite a while, btw) on me and love a guys big hard cock pounding my ass. What's the problem? If it feels good do it.

What I don't get is all the negativity towards gay guys on here- do you really think you could tell your friends, family, spouses that you are into Tgirls or are a Tgirl and it would be no big deal? Answer: No way they would think you are gay or a freak. In the end guys and gals we are all in the same boat and should stick together. So stop picking on us gay guys!

[Birgitta]

I admit it, I love to be bottomed. Love it from tgirls, love it when my wife uses a strapon (she has known I am gay for quite a while, btw) on me and love a guys big hard cock pounding my ass. What's the problem? If it feels good do it.

What I don't get is all the negativity towards gay guys on here- do you really think you could tell your friends, family, spouses that you are into Tgirls or are a Tgirl and it would be no big deal? Answer: No way they would think you are gay or a freak. In the end guys and gals we are all in the same boat and should stick together. So stop picking on us gay guys!


Heeey i totally respect you, and you are so right!!!! What bothers me is that a lot of guys that bttm are not open about their sexuality... I can understand it from tops that they want to be identified as straight, but cant understand it from bttm guys....

[CORVETTEDUDE]

My input, for what it's worth. If I wanted to get topped, I could accomplish that by being gay. I AM NOT GAY!!! I admire you as ladies, which is also what I prefer to refer to you as....not Trannys. I expect a lady to be just that, if you don't mind. If you are a Transgender Lady that prefers to top guys, why bother with the 'Trans' part....I don't get it. You go through all of this ridicule and discrimination, extravagant cost of body reconfiguration, etc.....just so you can keep fuckin' guys in the ass. Makes no sense...to me. I AM a straight male, I love Transgender Ladies, I don't see where that's an issue!

[Birgitta]

My input, for what it's worth. If I wanted to get topped, I could accomplish that by being gay. I AM NOT GAY!!! I admire you as ladies, which is also what I prefer to refer to you as....not Trannys. I expect a lady to be just that, if you don't mind. If you are a Transgender Lady that prefers to top guys, why bother with the 'Trans' part....I don't get it. You go through all of this ridicule and discrimination, extravagant cost of body reconfiguration, etc.....just so you can keep fuckin' guys in the ass. Makes no sense...to me. I AM a straight male, I love Transgender Ladies, I don't see where that's an issue!

I dont understand it either lol

[callahac]

Heeey i totally respect you, and you are so right!!!! What bothers me is that a lot of guys that bttm are not open about their sexuality... I can understand it from tops that they want to be identified as straight, but cant understand it from bttm guys....

Well, I am sure you know that it isn't the easiest thing for guys to come to terms with their sexuality or to come out of the closet. I am so glad that I finally did, it was like a weight off my shoulders

[robertlouis]

My input, for what it's worth. If I wanted to get topped, I could accomplish that by being gay. I AM NOT GAY!!! I admire you as ladies, which is also what I prefer to refer to you as....not Trannys. I expect a lady to be just that, if you don't mind. If you are a Transgender Lady that prefers to top guys, why bother with the 'Trans' part....I don't get it. You go through all of this ridicule and discrimination, extravagant cost of body reconfiguration, etc.....just so you can keep fuckin' guys in the ass. Makes no sense...to me. I AM a straight male, I love Transgender Ladies, I don't see where that's an issue!

I'm not sure I understand it either, but I do respect tgirls who top because that's their preference. Not for me though - I like to be with a girl, t or gg, who exhibits femininity in every way, including her sexual preferences.

[SirCumsAlot]

My input, for what it's worth. If I wanted to get topped, I could accomplish that by being gay. I AM NOT GAY!!! I admire you as ladies, which is also what I prefer to refer to you as....not Trannys. I expect a lady to be just that, if you don't mind. If you are a Transgender Lady that prefers to top guys, why bother with the 'Trans' part....I don't get it. You go through all of this ridicule and discrimination, extravagant cost of body reconfiguration, etc.....just so you can keep fuckin' guys in the ass. Makes no sense...to me. I AM a straight male, I love Transgender Ladies, I don't see where that's an issue!

heh I guess it's personal preference. But if one would consider themselves straight, why be interested in a tranny in the first place? Just date a genetic female.

I mentioned before in threads that I think every dude who's interested in a tranny is bi, no if ands or buts. Why would a straight dude be interested in a chick with a dick? Make no sense to me...

Me myself, I'm bi, but I'm really not interested and/or turned on alot by masculine men. I like certain looking boys, mostly the smooth, fem looking ones, and trannies is a big step up from just the ordinary feminine looking boys. I'm bi, not gay. I still love my females out there, I want kids and a fam one day, and I don't think I will ever get fucked in the ass by anyone who has a weewee, but when it comes to giving blowjobs, I love receiving it but also call me the king of sucking dick because I love doing it! Call me king homo if you want I dont care!

I guess it's all about personal preference and taste at the end of the day :shrug

[nicebrn]

I dont understand it either lol
If you are a Transgender Lady that prefers to top guys, why bother with the 'Trans' part....I don't get it. You go through all of this ridicule and discrimination, extravagant cost of body reconfiguration, etc.....just so you can keep fuckin' guys in the ass. Makes no sense...to me. I AM a straight male, I love Transgender Ladies, I don't see where that's an issue!I'm sure this has been explained multiple times by girls who like to top (and yes, in my experience there are many--and not just because they get paid to do it) and by guys who enjoy being fucked by t-girls (but not men).

If you still don't "understand," it's because on some level you don't want to...not because you haven't been informed. Of course, I've only been around here for a little less than two years, so what do I know?

Is it really hard to comprehend that some men have a specific attraction to versatile t-girls (but not necessarily men), and that some girls don't necessarily feel less feminine just because they enjoy actively using their sexual organs? It ain't rocket science--you can still like dick but not be attracted to the male form. And if that's the case, there aren't many possible alternatives, are there?

If females can enjoy using strap-ons even though they get no real physical enjoyment from it, is it really so hard to understand that t-girls might actually like using their penises to fuck?
I mentioned before in threads that I think every dude who's interested in a tranny is bi, no if ands or buts. Why would a straight dude be interested in a chick with a dick? Make no sense to me...I totally agree, and more than anything else in this discussion, this seems self-evident to me. What I don't "understand" is why so many people seem so invested in denying the concept of bisexuality. Damn, in real life I get less resistance and more understanding by describing myself as "not straight" than by describing myself as bi.

[nonnonnon]

has anyone changed their opinion since 2001?

[dgs925]

But if one would consider themselves straight, why be interested in a tranny in the first place? Just date a genetic female.

I mentioned before in threads that I think every dude who's interested in a tranny is bi, no if ands or buts. Why would a straight dude be interested in a chick with a dick? Make no sense to me...

:iagree::iagree::iagree::iagree::iagree: (first time I've used that little animated gif)

[Teydyn]

If you are a Transgender Lady that prefers to top guys, why bother with the 'Trans' part...
Because they ARE trans?

There is a difference between gender & sexual preference...


Why would a straight dude be interested in a chick with a dick?
Why would a straight dude be interested in a girl with a strap-on?

Are you straight when you are not into men or are you straight when you are not into penis?

[CORVETTEDUDE]

has anyone changed their opinion since 2001?

What happened in 2001, besides a huge terrorist attack?

[nicebrn]

Because they ARE trans?

There is a difference between gender & sexual preference...
Exactly.

Just like most people can separate fucking and love-making, top girls can separate topping and being "ladylike." An action and a state of mind don't have to go together, even if they do so most of the time.

Are you straight when you are not into men or are you straight when you are not into penis?I don't know if it's that simple. However in practice I'd have to say that you're straight if and only if it's "no" to both.

[Birgitta]

Well, I am sure you know that it isn't the easiest thing for guys to come to terms with their sexuality or to come out of the closet. I am so glad that I finally did, it was like a weight off my shoulders

My mom and daddy never build a closet for me lol,
I was too obviously feminine that i was considered gay
by nearly everyone and thats not easy in teen years, but
As an adult i dont see the reason when one should hide
They are dating a tgirl...doing so does not show us much respect either

[Birgitta]

I'm sure this has been explained multiple times by girls who like to top (and yes, in my experience there are many--and not just because they get paid to do it) and by guys who enjoy being fucked by t-girls (but not men).

If you still don't "understand," it's because on some level you don't want to...not because you haven't been informed. Of course, I've only been around here for a little less than two years, so what do I know?

Is it really hard to comprehend that some men have a specific attraction to versatile t-girls (but not necessarily men), and that some girls don't necessarily feel less feminine just because they enjoy actively using their sexual organs? It ain't rocket science--you can still like dick but not be attracted to the male form. And if that's the case, there aren't many possible alternatives, are there?

If females can enjoy using strap-ons even though they get no real physical enjoyment from it, is it really so hard to understand that t-girls might actually like using their penises to fuck?I totally agree, and more than anything else in this discussion, this seems self-evident to me. What I don't "understand" is why so many people seem so invested in denying the concept of bisexuality. Damn, in real life I get less resistance and more understanding by describing myself as "not straight" than by describing myself as bi.

Niceburn, to me that sounds a bit naive and incredibly politically correct, tgirls that love to top, its fine, but i dont think they identify as woman, you have no idea what us girls go through, if i liked to top i would have stayed gay, i can understand gg might find it enjoyable but not a ts that feels and thinks like a woman, thats my opinion... There are always exceptions to any rule

[SirCumsAlot]

My mom and daddy never build a closet for me lol,
I was too obviously feminine that i was considered gay
by nearly everyone and thats not easy in teen years, but
As an adult i dont see the reason when one should hide
They are dating a tgirl...doing so does not show us much respect either

I once knew a boy in Florida who wanted to transcend into a tgirl but it was too hard for him. He tried for like a year or so. He used to crossdress alot but he decided to quit all that stuff this year. He not a fan of escorting, dont care much for porn industry. He wants to get into the medical field and trying to get in there as a tgirl was too hard.

So I guess some people hide just because life's too hard if you're not esorting or not a pornstar and just trying to live a normal life as a tgirl but not being accepted by society outside escorting and porn. Idk though :shrug

[Birgitta]

I once knew a boy in Florida who wanted to transcend into a tgirl but it was too hard for him. He tried for like a year or so. He used to crossdress alot but he decided to quit all that stuff this year. He not a fan of escorting, dont care much for porn industry. He wants to get into the medical field and trying to get in there as a tgirl was too hard.

So I guess some people hide just because life's too hard if you're not esorting or not a pornstar and just trying to live a normal life as a tgirl but not being accepted by society outside escorting and porn. Idk though :shrug


there is a lot i dont understand about tgirls...i would have killed myself if i did not start living as a woman, hard or not, passable or not, i could not function as a male, i feel really liberated now that i live as a ts openly, less fear now then ever before....life is hard still but way better then how it was, and i rather die as myself then as someone im not...in short: having to live as a guy equals death to me

[nicebrn]

As an adult i dont see the reason when one should hide
They are dating a tgirl...doing so does not show us much respect eitherI agree.

However, as always, life doesn't make it that simple.

My last job was quite a conservative environment. I was one who didn't discuss or reveal my sexuality at all there, though I know the few men who were out had to put up with incredibly juvenile attitudes at best. When you're in a position where you have to repress yourself and conform or not eat, most people are going to go along to get along.

This leaves aside those who have to deal with resistance from their family. I find it hard to judge people who aren't willing to pay the price of outing themselves when they face being disavowed by the people they love.
Niceburn, to me that sounds a bit naive and incredibly politically correct, tgirls that love to top, its fine, but i dont think they identify as woman, you have no idea what us girls go through, if i liked to top i would have stayed gay, i can understand gg might find it enjoyable but not a ts that feels and thinks like a woman, thats my opinion... There are always exceptions to any ruleNot naivete, just direct personal experience. And I would never take it upon myself to assume I know what t-girls go through. However, I am a pretty good listener, and I know how to ask rather personal questions with some sensitivity. I can say that I know three girls who've been living as women full-time for over ten years. If you were to question their womanhood because they're versatile, they'd rightly take it as an insult. I never said that this kind of thing is the norm, I've only said that it seems to be common enough that you can't make a blanket statement that topping=unfeminine.

[Birgitta]

. I can say that I know three girls who've been living as women full-time for over ten years. If you were to question their womanhood because they're versatile, they'd rightly take it as an insult.

I dont care lol. Then they should have thick skin right?
There are always exceptions but i dont understand it...this whole tgirl circus is too much for me to understand really. I question womanhood of tgirls all the time, and i let people question me too...

[Birgitta]

I agree.

However, as always, life doesn't make it that simple.

My last job was quite a conservative environment. I was one who didn't discuss or reveal my sexuality at all there, though I know the few men who were out had to put up with incredibly juvenile attitudes at best. When you're in a position where you have to repress yourself and conform or not eat, most people are going to go along to get along.

This leaves aside those who have to deal with resistance from their family. I find it hard to judge people who aren't willing to pay the price of outing themselves when they face being disavowed by the people they love.Not naivete, just direct personal experience. And I would never take it upon myself to assume I know what t-girls go through

Of course it depends on the country one lives in, but i find it offensive to date cowards while i am out and about, a lot of them just want to have it all, wife and children, keeping up the straight fairytale to their family, and a t girl that fucks them..

Those guys truely dont deserve us
Im not a toy, and no ones dirty little secret...

How would you feel?????????

[dgs925]

Of course it depends on the country one lives in, but i find it offensive to date cowards while i am out and about, a lot of them just want to have it all, wife and children, keeping up the straight fairytale to their family, and a t girl that fucks them..


What's wrong with wanting it all? That's what I want in a nutshell!

[Birgitta]

What's wrong with wanting it all? That's what I want in a nutshell!

I hope you pay your tgirls well....

[theone1982]

What's wrong with wanting it all? That's what I want in a nutshell!

Haven't you ever saw VH1 Behind the Music or E! True Hollywood Story? You can't have it all, because sooner or later it all comes crashing down!:)

[Birgitta]

Most guys here truely behave like losers, lol

[dgs925]

You are just such a bitch, which is fine in and of itself. Lots of the best TS posters on this site have been bitchy and condescending to the guys here, but they also put up sexy pictures of themselves (I'm thinking of tsntx, or Nicole, or Mimi, etc, etc).

You can do what you like, but my thoughts are you should post naked pictures of yourself (including cock) or get the fuck out.

[lisaparadise]

My mom and daddy never build a closet for me lol,
I was too obviously feminine that i was considered gay
by nearly everyone and thats not easy in teen years, but
As an adult i dont see the reason when one should hide
They are dating a tgirl...doing so does not show us much respect eitherwell said little woman,i say if they dont have the balls to show us off then there losing out on a great thing too bad there loss probably why they jerk off to us every night lol:jerkoffi know one thing if my man tried to hide me away he would be out of my life period life is way too short to woprry about what people think of you its that simple.

[lisaparadise]

You can do what you like, but my thoughts are you should post naked pictures of yourself (including cock) or get the fuck out.ROFLMFAO......:Bowdown: THATS PRETTY MUCH STRAIGHT TO THE POINT LOL

[Birgitta]

You are just such a bitch, which is fine in and of itself. Lots of the best TS posters on this site have been bitchy and condescending to the guys here, but they also put up sexy pictures of themselves (I'm thinking of tsntx, or Nicole, or Mimi, etc, etc).

You can do what you like, but my thoughts are you should post naked pictures of yourself (including cock) or get the fuck out.

Im no bitch, i just dont like and respect hypocrits lol
You could be so glad and thankfull that im willing to post here without an ulterior motive, im not getting paid for talking with a guy like you, and now you want me in the nude for free???

[socalrick]

Most guys here truely behave like losers, lol
Go top yourself

[nicebrn]

There are always exceptions but i dont understand it...this whole tgirl circus is too much for me to understand really.Well you're trying too hard. :)

Just accept what they're telling you at face value (until you can prove otherwise, anyway), and try not to question their motives.
Of course it depends on the country one lives in, but i find it offensive to date cowards while i am out and about, a lot of them just want to have it all, wife and children, keeping up the straight fairytale to their family, and a t girl that fucks them..

Those guys truely dont deserve us
Im not a toy, and no ones dirty little secret...

How would you feel?????????Well I have to agree there. But while that might fit the majority of guys who visit escorts, I don't know if that's the majority of guys who date them seriously. Those two groups might overlap, but they're not the same.

[Birgitta]

Go top yourself

Yes im better at being a man then you will ever be anyway ;)

[Birgitta]

Well you're trying too hard. :)

Just accept what they're telling you at face value (until you can prove otherwise, anyway), and try not to question their motives.Well I have to agree there. But while that might fit the majority of guys who visit escorts, I don't know if that's the majority of guys who date them seriously. Those two groups might overlap, but they're not the same.

accept what they are telling me at face value, can i trust humans to that extend? Lol but you are probably right

[Solitary Brother]

Every guy on here knoWs this.
A lot of guys that deal with trannies want to suck and get fucked.
Deal with it or get the operation and stop whining.
IF you were a real bottom and a real woman you would NOT fuck guys at all even while escorting.




Hi I have a question :smile:...

Of all you men who like to visit this site how many are "bottoms" or secretly is that your main reason for going to a "T" ??

As a working girl and a T I have had some great experiences. I am a bottom, Viagara makes me versatile.. I never enjoy it but it's not my fantasy it is theirs...

I am a facilitator.

I always think it is funny when a man assumes I like to „top‰ because he has been expose to too many Porn movies.

Not trying to piss on the parade but allot of girls are just working long enough to make the money to do some „fix-up‰ surgeries and get the final Op and out<sum>

Merry Christmas

I am sure there are as many girls on the opposite side of the coin as me. Who really only like to top.. I have some really sad news though<sum> most of those girls can be fierce looking.. but the majority lived as gay men before they where tranies<sum>

Food for thought


Cheers

[Birgitta]

Deal with it or get the operation and stop whining.
IF you were a real bottom and a real woman you would NOT fuck guys at all even while escorting.

Like you would know from experience right...???

[dgs925]

Like you would know from experience right...???

Yup, Solitary Sista is a real woman (just like Phobun).

[nicebrn]

accept what they are telling me at face value, can i trust humans to that extend? Lol but you are probably right
Well yeah...if they're telling you about their personal preferences and experiences, I'd reckon you should. :D

[Birgitta]

Yup, Solitary Sista is a real woman (just like Phobun).

What phobun is a girl? Damn i thought he was one of the few reasonable guys on here looool
Solitary sister? I dont have to pay to get laid babe lol

[dgs925]

What phobun is a girl? Damn i thought he was one of the few reasonable guys on here looool
Solitary sister? I dont have to pay to get laid babe lol

Nah, I was joking. They are both of the homophobic, "you suck a dick? you're a fag" variety (as if name-calling were helpful). Personally, I think any guy that has a fantasy of hooking up with a tgirl but not sucking her dick is weird. But to each their own.

[Jericho]

Like you would know from experience right...???

Apparently! :hide-1:

[Birgitta]

Nah, I was joking. They are both of the homophobic, "you suck a dick? you're a fag" variety (as if name-calling were helpful). Personally, I think any guy that has a fantasy of hooking up with a tgirl but not sucking her dick is weird. But to each their own.

Oh but then i dont agree with them,
But taking it up the ass is pretty gay lol
We are no homophobes, the ones that are in denial about it are

[Teydyn]

THATS PRETTY MUCH STRAIGHT TO THE POINT LOL
On this board more like "gay or bi to the point"? :D

[lisaparadise]

On this board more like "gay or bi to the point"? :DLOL,I HAD TO READ THAT TWICE BEFORE I GOT THE DRIFT LOL :yayo:

[anon451]

I have never had any desire to have anything near my asshole except toilet paper, nor do I have any interest in anyone else's, male female or otherwise..

[Solitary Brother]

Oh but then i dont agree with them,
But taking it up the ass is pretty gay lol
We are no homophobes, the ones that are in denial about it are

Ugh listen sweetie.......
Your in denial.
I am not a homophobe why would I post on this board if I was?
You girls kill me projecting all your bullshit on these guys.
If you don't like the way the guys you meet or clients behave stop dealing with them.
The world does not change for one person.
Move on let it alone.
I do like transexuals but I am very uncomfortable with the thought of have sexual intercourse with one.
That's why I haven't.
I am not in denial about anything.
You and other girls are completely in denial about a lot of shit.
Yes if a guy wants to have sex with you and you have a dick chances are he is going to want to suck it.
Don't be shocked.
These guys are actually more normal than some of you girls are.

[Solitary Brother]

Like you would know from experience right...???

Your a hypocrite.
You use your dick on guys to make money but want to be a role in your personal life.
A real true transexuals would not be fucking guys at all.
Be a 100 percent bottom all the time like a real woman.
Stop lecturing guys who are financing your lifestyle about their sexual habits.

[onmyknees]

I gotta say....I'm in agreement with Solitary on this ....to a point. Most of the dudes on here are actually pretty soft towards the ladies. I see much harsher comments on the street every day. Sure there's a few internet tough guys, but for the most part the gurls are treated pretty fairly. There's a difference between ignorance, and harsh, hurtful treatment. But you also reap what you sow....and have created a chicken and the egg scenario. You enjoy being noticed, watched, adored, admired ( who doesn't ?) But at some unknown, undefined point, with some ladies ( certainly not all) ...we hear how we're objectifying you all. That's what drives the dudes to distraction. I think I know where that mythical line is, but I can completely understand how some don't.

[Birgitta]

Your a hypocrite.
You use your dick on guys to make money but want to be a role in your personal life.
A real true transexuals would not be fucking guys at all.
Be a 100 percent bottom all the time like a real woman.
Stop lecturing guys who are financing your lifestyle about their sexual habits.

Okay, hi there, first, i am not a hypocrite,
Secondly, i am not into escort, never have been,
Thirdly, i never ever top, would not even know how to,
I truely and honestly dont understand other girls are capable of doing so,
But i wont go so far to say they are not a ts...

[Prospero]

Solitary brother - I think you are picking on the wrong girl.

[Birgitta]

Yes if a guy wants to have sex with you and you have a dick chances are he is going to want to suck it.
Don't be shocked.
These guys are actually more normal than some of you girls are.

yes they are so normal and straight and no ts should project their ideas on their straight life when the moment they see a ts, their behind opens up and they secretly wisper, please fuck me baby.
Us girls should never project any foolish idea, like them being gay, on thosr men.
Lol.
Btw i dont mind guys that want to give head in the end, but those obsessing over it are a no go.
Coz im more normal then most guys on the board ;)

[Birgitta]

Solitary brother - I think you are picking on the wrong girl.

Yeah i guess...

Solitary man...

What i would like to know, you are on this forum, you like ts,
But dating a ts is or seems uncomfortable to you,
out of interest, i would really like to know what is holding you back...apart from not wanting to pay for sex perhaps, or that its hard to find a girl, are there other reasons?

[phobun]

Yeah i guess...

Solitary man...

What i would like to know, you are on this forum, you like ts,
But dating a ts is or seems uncomfortable to you,
out of interest, i would really like to know what is holding you back...apart from not wanting to pay for sex perhaps, or that its hard to find a girl, are there other reasons?


Solitary Sister, as Chefmike has called him for years, has gender issues himself. The Sister wants to go bitch, and if there is any doubt, read some of his vintage posts as Geekmeat, when he was practically the neo-Rupaul. The Sister isn't fulltime with that identity though, and while you might think he's often wearing heels when posting here, it's clear he also struggles with the tough-guy, heavy bag-hitting, Rap-music loving gay-hater within.



Ugh listen sweetie.......


Normal guys don't insincerely refer to grown women as "sweetie", but petulant man-bitches do... he is Solitary Sister.

[nicebrn]

I truely and honestly dont understand other girls are capable of doing soOkay...have you asked any girls why they enjoy topping? I'm pretty sure at least some of them can explain it clearly. Maybe I'm confused, but it doesn't seem all that complex to me. Just because it's not your preference doesn't mean it's senseless. Just because people want to add all this "passive=feminine/submissive, active=masculine/dominant" baggage to the act of fucking doesn't make it objectively correct...because clearly, many people just don't see it that way.
Btw i dont mind guys that want to give head in the end, but those obsessing over it are a no go.Define "obsessing."

Most guys are going to want to handle and pleasure all the body parts of a girl they're attracted to. For t-girls that means they'll want to play with your dick--because in their minds, why bother with a girl with a dick if you're just going to ignore it?. How many straight guys just want to stick their dick in a girl's pussy and do absolutely nothing else to it....every single time? If they have even the slightest interest in treating a girl like more than a disposable fuck-hole (yes, I know there are many guys like this, but most people judge this to be quite selfish), they'll at least make a token effort to fondle her or go down on her. And if they've tried anal penetration before and found out they liked it, they'll want to get fucked.

Because to me, in general what you call obsessing is no different than normal straight guys and their fixation on regular female body parts. I mean, guys compare and contrast pussy geography and breast geography all the time. Everything from the nipples to the softness to the breast shape to the thickness of the pussy lips to the pubic hair to the tightness of the hole to how wet it gets. That's just how men are.

In other words, the quality of discussion on say, Adult DVD Talk with respect to girls' physical features...really isn't too different from what goes on here.

Finally...from the OP:
.. but the majority lived as gay men before they where traniesEven if I accepted this as true (I really don't know if it is, but it doesn't match my own direct experience), so fucking what? Is where you start just as important as where you finish, or something?

[alyssaluxor]

Every guy on here knoWs this.
A lot of guys that deal with trannies want to suck and get fucked.
Deal with it or get the operation and stop whining.
IF you were a real bottom and a real woman you would NOT fuck guys at all even while escorting.

now you all know that 99.999999999999999999% of TS admirer/chasers are powerbottoms lol

ok lets make it 98%

:dancing:

[veliero]

My experience: in my life I have had sex with gg women and t-girls, but only sex worker in this case, have been top and bottom with both, also a gg can be top I think, I have not never had sex with a man, meant like masculine, hairy, muscled, with the squared jaw ecc.ecc because simply i don't like, it does not make me horny. I do not think to be gay, perhaps bi, but not exactly, some time the sex with t-girls has been only top because her dick did not work, other times she had an erection only if I did not touch her dick in any way, other times she had a quick erection only kissing me and wanted to be sucked, licked and fuck me. This in order to say that the world is beautiful because it is miscellaneous. What I do not understand is why some t-girls looks like hate those which are their customers, if it is simply refuses their money and go on. What I like in t-girls is the fact that they are different from the gg women because they have a dick, when they removed it why to choose a t-girl and a not gg woman, a natural vagina is sure more better than a not natural one. I want to specify that I only speak about sex to payment, in a long term relationship it is different because you love a person not a body. Sorry for my english.

[Prospero]

Veilero wrote: "What I do not understand is why some t-girls looks like hate those which are their customers..."

There is an eternal truth to this - for courtesans, hookers, whores, call them what you will have very often despised their customers - or the very fact that they pay. Mutual disrespect is the name of the game for many.

[Birgitta]

Okay...have you asked any girls why they enjoy topping? I'm pretty sure at least some of them can explain it clearly. Maybe I'm confused, but it doesn't seem all that complex to me. Just because it's not your preference doesn't mean it's senseless. Just because people want to add all this "passive=feminine/submissive, active=masculine/dominant" baggage to the act of fucking doesn't make it objectively correct...because clearly, many people just don't see it that way.Define "obsessing."

Most guys are going to want to handle and pleasure all the body parts of a girl they're attracted to. For t-girls that means they'll want to play with your dick--because in their minds, why bother with a girl with a dick if you're just going to ignore it?. How many straight guys just want to stick their dick in a girl's pussy and do absolutely nothing else to it....every single time? If they have even the slightest interest in treating a girl like more than a disposable fuck-hole (yes, I know there are many guys like this, but most people judge this to be quite selfish), they'll at least make a token effort to fondle her or go down on her. And if they've tried anal penetration before and found out they liked it, they'll want to get fucked.

Because to me, in general what you call obsessing is no different than normal straight guys and their fixation on regular female body parts. I mean, guys compare and contrast pussy geography and breast geography all the time. Everything from the nipples to the softness to the breast shape to the thickness of the pussy lips to the pubic hair to the tightness of the hole to how wet it gets. That's just how men are.

In other words, the quality of discussion on say, Adult DVD Talk with respect to girls' physical features...really isn't too different from what goes on here.

Finally...from the OP:Even if I accepted this as true (I really don't know if it is, but it doesn't match my own direct experience), so fucking what? Is where you start just as important as where you finish, or something?

What it really comes down to is that most guys dont even like woman, let alone traditional ones, but its not convenient for them to admit it....

[Jericho]

what was the question again?

[nicebrn]

What it really comes down to is that most guys dont even like woman, let alone traditional ones, but its not convenient for them to admit it....
...

what.

[Birgitta]

The sorth of guy woman want excists only for a lucky few...
and on forum like this it is definetely only about what guys want...
And we should all just be open minded enough to accept it and discard our hearts desire coz its only preferences, and sexuality must be viewed apart from identity, all this stuff we just have to accept...so what about what woman want?
Well who cares, the men arent about to leave their "straight" lives anyway, and if you can just pay for sex why go through the trouble of dating a ts but noooo, that would ruin the fantasy and what is special about it for them.....
But we are all in the same boat, so they say...
We girls swim, sometimes drown, and our admires safely treat us like mermaids, and drop us back into the water the moment we start rocking your boat...

Too complicated right?

[Prospero]

Birgitta - generalisations like that last remark about most men not liking women do you no credit. It's bullshit frankly.

[dderek123]

@ Birgitta

sucks to be you.

[Jericho]

The sorth of guy woman want excists only for a lucky few...


In my 48 years experience, the sort of guy wimmin want doesn't exit.
We occasionally pretend to be caring and shit but in the end, the truth will out!
Bitch, stop trying to change us and accept us for what we are...pigs in clothes!

[Birgitta]

In my 48 years experience, the sort of guy wimmin want doesn't exit.
We occasionally pretend to be caring and shit but in the end, the truth will out!
Bitch, stop trying to change us and accept us for what we are...pigs in clothes!

Bitch?
Yes a bunch of cowards most are, never willing to act alone, you are truely the weaker sex, no wonder it feels right for you to take it up your ass lol

[Solitary Brother]

Solitary Sister, as Chefmike has called him for years, has gender issues himself. The Sister wants to go bitch, and if there is any doubt, read some of his vintage posts as Geekmeat, when he was practically the neo-Rupaul. The Sister isn't fulltime with that identity though, and while you might think he's often wearing heels when posting here, it's clear he also struggles with the tough-guy, heavy bag-hitting, Rap-music loving gay-hater within.





Normal guys don't insincerely refer to grown women as "sweetie", but petulant man-bitches do... he is Solitary Sister.



Your a big fan of mine.
I must have really wounded your pysche because your always riding my dick.
We can find out exactly what type of guy I am in real life and not on some message board.
This is for all of you haters.
Come and meet me and if I am this sissy like you say I am you have nothing to worry about.
So let's do it phobum or whatever you call yourself.

[Birgitta]

@ Birgitta

sucks to be you.

Well im not the one leading a dull and shallow straight life coz im not man enough to admit i am a ts....you will be suprised at the amount of honesty an freedom i am able to live my life, without holding back or ever having to lie about myself...yeah sucks to be me...

[Jericho]

You mean you two aren't one and the same?

[Solitary Brother]

yes they are so normal and straight and no ts should project their ideas on their straight life when the moment they see a ts, their behind opens up and they secretly wisper, please fuck me baby.
Us girls should never project any foolish idea, like them being gay, on thosr men.
Lol.
Btw i dont mind guys that want to give head in the end, but those obsessing over it are a no go.
Coz im more normal then most guys on the board ;)


If you don't like what some guy is telling you or asking you to do move on!
I don't know what else to tell you girls.
I think it is possible to find a guy that doesn't want to bend over and get fucked but if it isn't just move on.
It is true a lot of guys want to experiment when they get with a tranny.
These guys would NEVER ask a genetic female to fuck them.

[Birgitta]

In my 48 years experience, the sort of guy wimmin want doesn't exit.
We occasionally pretend to be caring and shit but in the end, the truth will out!
Bitch, stop trying to change us and accept us for what we are...pigs in clothes!

No wonder woman date bad guys, if anything, at least its good sex

[nicebrn]

Well who cares, the men arent about to leave their "straight" lives anyway, and if you can just pay for sex why go through the trouble of dating a ts but noooo, that would ruin the fantasy and what is special about it for them.....
But we are all in the same boat, so they say...
We girls swim, sometimes drown, and our admires safely treat us like mermaids, and drop us back into the water the moment we start rocking your boat...

Too complicated right?Right, it is.

You know, my major disagreement here is (a) you're painting with too broad a brush and (b) generalizing from too small a pool. There are men that don't fit into any of those categories.

Some of them even post here.
We occasionally pretend to be caring and shit but in the end, the truth will out!Damn...I hope I don't get that cynical twenty years from now. ;)

[Birgitta]

Right, it is.

You know, my major disagreement here is (a) you're painting with too broad a brush and (b) generalizing from too small a pool. There are men that don't fit into any of those categories.

Some of them even post here.Damn...I hope I don't get that cynical twenty years from now. ;)

So then tell me why i should have respect for a guy like you and be understanding other then that you are a human being and that really does not amount to much these days...

[Birgitta]

If you don't like what some guy is telling you or asking you to do move on!
I don't know what else to tell you girls.
I think it is possible to find a guy that doesn't want to bend over and get fucked but if it isn't just move on.
It is true a lot of guys want to experiment when they get with a tranny.
These guys would NEVER ask a genetic female to fuck them.

This is exactly what i mean, but they want us to believe they ask their wifes to use a strap on, they know woman dont like that kind of stuff, but think we are so naive that we will buy into their story about sexual prefs and being open minded looool

Im not around here looking for relationship material lol
I am here coz im a ts, which means im interested in the ways guys view and treat us

[nicebrn]

So then tell me why i should have respect for a guy like you and be understanding other then that you are a human being and that really does not amount to much these days...
You don't "have" to have any respect for me. After all, I haven't done anything for you, nor do you know me or my history firsthand. Though if you go thru my posting history, you'll get enough info to have an informed opinion about how I've conducted my recent relationships, since I've been quite candid about such things on this site.

However, as I said up-thread, you should assume I'm not trying to bullshit you. As a rule I try to grant you the same courtesy. Since I have no reason to believe you're trying to deliberately mislead or insult me, I have no reason to disrespect you. I'm just trying to explain why your thinking seems problematic from my perspective. (Not that my opinions are all rationally constructed, though I certainly like to believe that at least the most important ones are. :D)

I mean, based on what I've said in this thread, how exactly is "a guy like me" described? So far, the only facts I've revealed about myself in this thread are that I like versatile girls, I've gotten a number of self-reported opinions on whether said girls consider themselves less feminine, and that I get irritated when people try to assert that sexual activities and preferences should be judged against some sort of objective standard. That's a rather skimpy profile, hm?

[Birgitta]

.Damn...I hope I don't get that cynical twenty years from now. ;)

For your sake i hope you have the guts to date a girl you truely love and like to be with, and keep her be treating her right, instead of hanging round a porn forum like a dirty old men that feels he has to explain us he in nothing more then a pig in clothes...

[nicebrn]

For your sake i hope you have the guts to date a girl you truely love and like to be with, and keep her be treating her right, instead of hanging round a porn forum like a dirty old men that feels he has to explain us he in nothing more then a pig in clothes...
So far, after 14 months my girlfriend is still rather satisfied with how we're going, thanks. With luck and a little willpower, that will continue.

[Birgitta]

So far, after 14 months my girlfriend is still rather satisfied with how we're going, thanks. With luck and a little willpower, that will continue.

Just donttell her your true desires and you will be allright

[nicebrn]

Just donttell her your true desires and you will be allright
heh heh heh heh.

She's fully aware of exactly what makes me tick.

Seriously, you should check out my older posts. You won't have to go more than 2 or 3 pages before you find enlightenment. (Hint: about a month ago, the first time I ever addressed you was in one of the threads that I'm speaking of)

[Birgitta]

heh heh heh heh.

She's fully aware of exactly what makes me tick.

Seriously, you should check out my older posts. You won't have to go more than 2 or 3 pages before you find enlightenment. (Hint: about a month ago, the first time I ever addressed you was in one of the threads that I'm speaking of)

Okay fine. Still you come across as someone else entirely, im not going to look up your posts, not so interested

[Birgitta]

Still i wonder what makes my way of thinking problematic..

Im simply adressing general tgirl problems,
Like guys that wants us to be like males while at the same time hiding what they want from the rest of the world...

[veliero]

Dear Birgitta, I believe that your way to speak about the others t-girls is too much categorical, not all of them have the same desires and requirements, everyone has her way to feel herself woman, also the gg women think various between them and have various requirements and desires.

"Like guys that wants us to be like males while at the same time hiding what they want from the rest of the world... "

I think that a meeting with an escort must be light and pleasant, if many men do not want to make to know to the others that they appreciate the t-girls is because they would be calls gay or pervert, invert, etc. etc. and they would have to explain to friends and relatives their sexual tastes. It is not worth the pain for an hour of sex. It is different if you love a t-girl, in this case if the feelings are sincere, you also can fight for her and tell to the rest of the world that you love her.

[stickyicky69]

so i got aquestion.

do the majority of escorts give cumshots and rim?

[shemaleman]

mostly a bottom guy here

[dgs925]

@ Birgitta

sucks to be you.


So true. At first I was getting pissed at her but now I just feel pity.

[Birgitta]

So true. At first I was getting pissed at her but now I just feel pity.


if your trying to hurt my feelings, it cant be done through an internet forum, it takes a lot more, im not so easely hurt.

Im thick skinned lol,
You may feel pity for mr coz i dare to be honest,
But there is no need...lol

[dgs925]

if your trying to hurt my feelings, it cant be done through an internet forum, it takes a lot more, im not so easely hurt.

Im thick skinned lol,
You may feel pity for mr coz i dare to be honest,
But there is no need...lol

I feel pity because of your obvious self hatred, and I am not trying to hurt your feelings as that would be cruel. I'm a little tired of you though, so I am going to do something I've never done to anyone on this site, I'm going to use the "ignore" button.

[Deepdarkfucker]

Love to be deep inside sexy tgirls, but have no desire to be topped.

[Birgitta]

So true. At first I was getting pissed at her but now I just feel pity.


I feel pity because of your obvious self hatred, and I am not trying to hurt your feelings as that would be cruel. I'm a little tired of you though, so I am going to do something I've never done to anyone on this site, I'm going to use the "ignore" button.

I dont hate myself, but i do hate the situation im in at times, and humans in general, but im not the only one that feels this way...

[SirCumsAlot]

if your trying to hurt my feelings, it cant be done through an internet forum, it takes a lot more, im not so easely hurt.

Im thick skinned lol,
You may feel pity for mr coz i dare to be honest,
But there is no need...lol

I usually don't get involve in these internet forum dramas. I usually just sit back and laugh while I watch ya'll type away. But I one thing I do wanna say just for the sake of saying is that you, Birgitta, are obviously showing self hatred in threads you post your comments in. It's more clearer than the blue sky in the tropics on a sunny clear day. Like, I have no beef with you or anyone else on this forum or internet, I just wanna let you know that how you're answering questions and trying to down people and whatnot, you're just exposing your true self more and more.

Im no psychiatrists and I'm not the best at describing things so maybe someone else can explain better than me how you're exposing your self hatred, but yeah, thats all I had to say, you may not care, if you dont then I dont care much either, just wanted to state it. Now you and everybody else continue pickering while I eat my popcorn

[Birgitta]

I usually don't get involve in these internet forum dramas. I usually just sit back and laugh while I watch ya'll type away. But I one thing I do wanna say just for the sake of saying is that you, Birgitta, are obviously showing self hatred in threads you post your comments in. It's more clearer than the blue sky in the tropics on a sunny clear day. Like, I have no beef with you or anyone else on this forum or internet, I just wanna let you know that how you're answering questions and trying to down people and whatnot, you're just exposing your true self more and more.

Im no psychiatrists and I'm not the best at describing things so maybe someone else can explain better than me how you're exposing your self hatred, but yeah, thats all I had to say, you may not care, if you dont then I dont care much either, just wanted to state it. Now you and everybody else continue pickering while I eat my popcorn

I dont understand what you guys mean with selfhatred. I honestly dont hate myself. I dont like a lot of things about being a ts, and this has more to do with prejudice by both the admirers\lovers and outsiders...then anything else. I dont see where i wrote something that makes it obvious i hate myself, i dont.

[SirCumsAlot]

I dont understand what you guys mean with selfhatred. I honestly dont hate myself. I dont like a lot of things about being a ts, and this has more to do with prejudice by both the admirers\lovers and outsiders...then anything else. I dont see where i wrote something that makes it obvious i hate myself, i dont.

idk, I could be wrong. Only you yourself knows the truth to that

[robertlouis]

I don't get all this hate and people trying to impose their own world view on others without recognising their right to hold views of their own. It's called fascism, by the way.

Birgitta can stand up for herself, and does so robustly, but although my point here is about her, it could equally apply across other threads and individuals on the forum.

She has her own views on what a tgirl is or isn't, and what the men who interact with them should or shouldn't be. What is intrinsically wrong with that? Even if you think she may be wrong, surely you can respect her right to hold those views. Equally, nobody other than Birgitta knows what personal, family, societal and life experiences have gone to shape those views and that is also worthy of everyone's respect.

I happen not to believe in any god or gods, but that doesn't mean I disrespect those who do adhere to a faith (I might draw the line at some Southern Baptists, but I digress....).

You attack, she defends, she attacks, you defend, and so we see the same futile pantomime repeated across multiple threads ad nauseam.

I know I'll be accused of sounding like a hippy, but can we try a little bit of mutual respect and tolerance please? This endless shit takes up reams of server space and is never going to be resolved. Rejoice in diversity and difference - it's what makes us human.

Right, rant over.

[dgs925]

I know I'll be accused of sounding like a hippy, but can we try a little bit of mutual respect and tolerance please?

http://youtu.be/1sONfxPCTU0

[nicebrn]

I don't get all this hate and people trying to impose their own world view on others without recognising their right to hold views of their own. It's called fascism, by the way.

Birgitta can stand up for herself, and does so robustly, but although my point here is about her, it could equally apply across other threads and individuals on the forum.
*snip*
Right, rant over.Wise man speaks wise words.

I totally agree that everyone is entitled to their opinion. I just get irritated when someone assumes their perspective is the One True Way, and then gets confused when I refuse to accept that it should apply to everyone. I guess it's a major personality flaw that I'm too easily drawn into that kind of argument. (Can't help it, I'm a Capricorn. :D)

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2020/2485486555_12ef1da983.jpg

[robertlouis]

http://youtu.be/1sONfxPCTU0

Hippy says fuck off LOL.

[dderek123]

Well im not the one leading a dull and shallow straight life coz im not man enough to admit i am a ts....you will be suprised at the amount of honesty an freedom i am able to live my life, without holding back or ever having to lie about myself...yeah sucks to be me...
Don't you mean woman enough? I certainly hope so.

[Birgitta]

Don't you mean woman enough? I certainly hope so.

if i can do it, why cant you, thats what i mean...

[dderek123]

if i can do it, why cant you, thats what i mean...
Uhhh what?

[robertlouis]

Uhhh what?

Time to go under the knife, Derek. Or can I call you Deborah? LOL

:dancing::wiggle::dancing::wiggle:

[dderek123]

That's funny. Hmm, I wonder what I would do with a vagina all day. My girlfriend would sure be surprised!