Has anyone else noticed the major drop off in hardcore scenes this year? [Archive] - HungAngels

TSPornFan

10-25-2014, 02:54 AM

2014 has been the worst year for hardcore fans like myself. Grooby, Kink, Christian XXX, and Trans500 are the only companies consistently shooting hardcore content. Everyone else has either stopped shooting scenes because of issues in the company or shooting less hardcore scenes.

Devil's Films use to release a new DVD every month, and this year has been the total opposite. They have released way less content than they have in the past.

Every SMC site is shooting less hardcore content. T-Girl Pin ups is dead. Shemale Club doesn't have many new hardcore scenes anymore. Most of the solo sites from the T-Girl Network don't update often with hardcore content like they use to. Foxxy is the only girl who regularly shoots hardcore content.

Reality Junkies lost their director Kevin Moore to Evil Angel. The America Tranny series has officially ended.

Shemale Strokers=dead
Seriously, I never expected a lot of hardcore scenes from this. They did shot a few scenes every year until now.

A lot of solo sites are pretty much dead or can't afford to shot hardcore scenes. Joanna Jet's and Eva Cassini's solo sites are currently the only notable active solo sites outside of SMC.

ElectricWoody

10-25-2014, 04:00 AM

To many performances with limp noodles maybe.

RallyCola

10-25-2014, 07:43 AM

To many performances with limp noodles maybe.

i don't think that is what it is. while i am not sure if i would say 2014 was bad for hardcore at large, i would say that it is likely there are too many prodcuers trying to attract a niche audience and therefore competition for what is essentially a finite pool of money is forcing some to crumble.

legault

10-25-2014, 07:53 AM

that hasnt been ths case on the brazil front i can tell you

GroobySteven

10-25-2014, 10:54 AM

i don't think that is what it is. while i am not sure if i would say 2014 was bad for hardcore at large, i would say that it is likely there are too many prodcuers trying to attract a niche audience and therefore competition for what is essentially a finite pool of money is forcing some to crumble.

Correct.
There is a small pool of money (some would say shrinking) and the production of hardcore is expensive. A DVD at the LEAST would cost over $10,000 to produce. Fuck it ... I'll give my basic breakdown again.

Cost for shooting a hardcore DVD of 5 scenes:

Min. cost of content : $9500.
Editing/Graphics : $1000 ???

Let's just say $10,000 although I think that's low. If you're bringing in good locations, or costumes that's an increase, travel or hotel expenses, other associated costs?

Now you need to get it duplicated which can cost $2-3 per item (for this demonatration $2.50). So for the first 2000 produced you have a cost per item of : $14,000.

Do you want to spend advertising or marketing?

Distributors usually take 30% of the sale and get the DVD's to the stores (larger companies self-distribute). Many of the bigger outlets only pay $5-6 per item (some try to do it for less) so the producers cut on that would be 70% $3.50-$4. Some people would pay higher for smaller quantities but it's unlikely that unless you're Evil Angel that you're getting over $10 per item. So you're 2000 DVD's (it would be hard to sell 2000 in a year of one title without advertising or big branding) might bring you back $10k.

Companies the look at VOD to try and make some return.

It's very difficult. Someone like Christian or some other solo producers are doing it right. Keeping the costs down, doing trades with other models etc to be able to produce a scene at low cost, and then promoting it directly onto the VOD market and spending his time socially networking to sell it.

For a company like Devil's - the number of sales above is probably lower, they have a big reach but you can see the amount of DVD's that need to be sold to even break even.

There is a very limited amount of money in this niche and some of us are competing for a slice of it, while other clubs seem to have just given up and milking the cow.

Ecstatic

10-25-2014, 05:33 PM

Every SMC site is shooting less hardcore content. T-Girl Pin ups is dead. Shemale Club doesn't have many new hardcore scenes anymore. Most of the solo sites from the T-Girl Network don't update often with hardcore content like they use to. Foxxy is the only girl who regularly shoots hardcore content.

Tiffany Starr is an exception to this assessment; she has been consistently shooting new content, soft and hard, all year. I have shot 7 hardcore scenes with Tiffany this year, including the TEA nominated 3-way scene with Tiffany, Ada Black, and Antonio, and she has shot others besides, including at least two for her site.

In general, I concur with Steven's overall assessment. The costs are simply out of reach for a very small company like the UP Network, and as indicated even the big players have cut back. But there is original h/c content being produced.

joannajet

10-25-2014, 05:48 PM

Hi TSPornFan,

2014 has been the worst year for hardcore fans like myself. Grooby, Kink, Christian XXX, and Trans500 are the only companies consistently shooting hardcore content. Everyone else has either stopped shooting scenes because of issues in the company or shooting less hardcore scenes.

For me personally, I just can't get the performers. Established male talent has been letting me down on or off set and new talent can't be arsed to get themselves regular STD test certificates.

Female and TS talent seems more intent on tweeting selfies and begging for stuff off their wish-list than actually producing hardcore.

I now have an amazing private location in the Caribbean and even though I offer paid flights and a vacation in an independent bungalow in return for shared hardcore content, I have had no takers.

It therefore looks like I may have to fly my photographer and myself to the models in the US which seriously restricts budget and therefore reduces the number of hardcore shoots that one can successfully produce.

Kisses,

Joanna
xxx

GroobySteven

10-25-2014, 06:28 PM

It therefore looks like I may have to fly my photographer and myself to the models in the US which seriously restricts budget and therefore reduces the number of hardcore shoots that one can successfully produce.

Kisses,

Joanna
xxx

Booooooo ... we want Carribbean shoots. Let's work something out.

RallyCola

10-25-2014, 07:30 PM

Booooooo ... we want Carribbean shoots. Let's work something out.

fuck if frankie's thread doesn't actually result in something positive. if thisis the start of a new JJ/Grooby collaboration, i promise not to poke fun at frankieboi for at least 47 hrs....a full 2 days would be just too much.

may i ask though...is a run of 2000 dvds a real estimate or only used for the example. if that is a realistic pressing...then perhaps the market is smaller than i thought.

GroobySteven

10-25-2014, 07:35 PM

fuck if frankie's thread doesn't actually result in something positive. if thisis the start of a new JJ/Grooby collaboration, i promise not to poke fun at frankieboi for at least 47 hrs....a full 2 days would be just too much.

may i ask though...is a run of 2000 dvds a real estimate or only used for the example. if that is a realistic pressing...then perhaps the market is smaller than i thought.

That's actually just for my purposes of numbers. The runs are smaller than that usually. Even Joey Silvera runs maybe take over a year to do 1000 copies, that's why you see producers like the EA producers, turning out 1-2 titles a month. You need to have an ongoing catalog to make a profit and this is why Devils, Evil etc run series as a store will order TS Babysitters 25 say, and if it's successful try earlier ones.

lordworm

10-25-2014, 07:53 PM

Damn, is there no way to make the situation better?

GroobySteven

10-25-2014, 08:12 PM

Damn, is there no way to make the situation better?

Love to hear them if you have them!

a) Stop piracy.
b) Stop people looking for free content.
c) Limit the amount of free content.
d) Stop spending your money on shit. **
e) Spend your money on companies that give back to the industry not just those that take.

** customer this week emailed and said he'd just been recharged for another 3 month for a solo models website which hasn't been updated this year and wanted to know if there was content coming. I explained it was unlikely but I didn't know as the models run their content - but I'd give him 100% refund on his purchase. He thanked me 48hr later as he'd been in touch with this model and she'd told him she'd produce some content at the end of the year and he "loved her" so he wanted to continue to support. That's not how to buy/support porn.

KellyKlaymour

10-25-2014, 08:25 PM

woah woah woah, did someone say "Caribbean bungalow" and "Expenses Paid" in the same sentence??

GroobySteven

10-25-2014, 08:57 PM

woah woah woah, did someone say "Caribbean bungalow" and "Expenses Paid" in the same sentence??

Well hello there ...

ElectricWoody

10-25-2014, 09:21 PM

Don't want to get off topic, but I've spent a lot of money on VCR, DVDs and it was usually for one Scene and or performer. I prefer to buy only scenes or known preferred performers and monthly membership is slim to none.

christianxxx

10-25-2014, 09:32 PM

Thanks for the shoutout....yeah I have been extremely diligent in finding new & veteran TS girls and trying to shoot as much as possible. I know that the C4S approach is costly for some consumers, so now I am going to try again to launch my own website - this time I am going to run it myself and make it 100 percent TS.....I am about 35 percent done with it so far lol.

I plan on getting out to Joanna Jet's island getaway soon, its just hard because there is only a day you can fly in and out each week. I have a very busy schedule obviously, so that's prohibitive, but the prospect of working with Joanna again is a real motivator to get it done.

lordworm

10-25-2014, 09:34 PM

Love to hear them if you have them!

a) Stop piracy.
b) Stop people looking for free content.
c) Limit the amount of free content.
d) Stop spending your money on shit. **
e) Spend your money on companies that give back to the industry not just those that take.

** customer this week emailed and said he'd just been recharged for another 3 month for a solo models website which hasn't been updated this year and wanted to know if there was content coming. I explained it was unlikely but I didn't know as the models run their content - but I'd give him 100% refund on his purchase. He thanked me 48hr later as he'd been in touch with this model and she'd told him she'd produce some content at the end of the year and he "loved her" so he wanted to continue to support. That's not how to buy/support porn.

I don't think I'd be much help since I only buy TS on TS porn... well I always resub to brazillian-transsexuals and occasionally shemalesfromhell for the ts/ts porn. Yeah I know it's the most expensive to make. Would selling scenes individually help?

lifeisfiction

10-25-2014, 10:22 PM

Hi TSPornFan,

For me personally, I just can't get the performers. Established male talent has been letting me down on or off set and new talent can't be arsed to get themselves regular STD test certificates.

Female and TS talent seems more intent on tweeting selfies and begging for stuff off their wish-list than actually producing hardcore.

I now have an amazing private location in the Caribbean and even though I offer paid flights and a vacation in an independent bungalow in return for shared hardcore content, I have had no takers.

It therefore looks like I may have to fly my photographer and myself to the models in the US which seriously restricts budget and therefore reduces the number of hardcore shoots that one can successfully produce.

Kisses,

Joanna
xxx

Hmm, a trip to the Caribbean and in addition I get to do a scene with Joanna. Are you sure this is not some grand prize to a contest. That sounds way too tempting. And people are not interested in it. There got to be some catch, right?

GroobySteven

10-25-2014, 10:44 PM

GroobySteven

10-25-2014, 10:45 PM

I don't think I'd be much help since I only buy TS on TS porn... well I always resub to brazillian-transsexuals and occasionally shemalesfromhell for the ts/ts porn. Yeah I know it's the most expensive to make. Would selling scenes individually help?

Could do which is why we have http://tserotica.com

Jamie French

10-25-2014, 10:54 PM

lordworm

10-25-2014, 10:56 PM

Interesting, those scenes are super cheap. Will check it out.

Michelle Firestone

10-25-2014, 11:10 PM

Hi TSPornFan,

For me personally, I just can't get the performers. Established male talent has been letting me down on or off set and new talent can't be arsed to get themselves regular STD test certificates.

Female and TS talent seems more intent on tweeting selfies and begging for stuff off their wish-list than actually producing hardcore.

I now have an amazing private location in the Caribbean and even though I offer paid flights and a vacation in an independent bungalow in return for shared hardcore content, I have had no takers.

It therefore looks like I may have to fly my photographer and myself to the models in the US which seriously restricts budget and therefore reduces the number of hardcore shoots that one can successfully produce.

Kisses,

Joanna
xxx

The Caribbean has got to be the worst place for a porn studio with all those pirates around.

GroobySteven

10-25-2014, 11:29 PM

The Caribbean has got to be the worst place for a porn studio with all those pirates around.

WIN for Michelle Firestone.

joannajet

10-26-2014, 01:01 AM

Hi Michelle,

The Caribbean has got to be the worst place for a porn studio with all those pirates around.

BOOM!!! quote of the day ;-)

Kisses,

Joanna
xxx

joannajet

10-26-2014, 01:04 AM

Hi lifeisfiction,

Hmm, a trip to the Caribbean and in addition I get to do a scene with Joanna. Are you sure this is not some grand prize to a contest. That sounds way too tempting. And people are not interested in it. There got to be some catch, right?

The catch is this. As male talent, you need to have experience as I am not going to fly over someone who can't get it up on set. You also need to be in great physical shape and have a regular history of STD test certificates.

Apparently, to meet these 3 criteria is asking for the impossible these days.

Kisses,

Joanna
xxx

joannajet

10-26-2014, 01:05 AM

Hi Jamie,

Talent is hard to come by... I get girls as they travel through the middle of the country on their way to LA and that's about it. Dudes are impossible. They're either eager to work but "physically wrong" for the gig or in great shape on all counts but cancel at the 11th hour.

BTW: What's this Caribbean thing all about Joana?

Glad to hear I am not the only one having major issues with male talent.

Please follow me on twitter and request a follow back and we can discuss the caribbean thing through DM. @joannajet

Kisses,

Joanna
xxx

joannajet

10-26-2014, 01:06 AM

Hi Steven,

Booooooo ... we want Carribbean shoots. Let's work something out.

Replying to you on private message now. Looks like another collaboration is in the making ;-)

Kisses,

Joanna
xxx

lordworm

10-26-2014, 01:54 AM

Would love to see a revival of the shemale tranny hunter series.

Jamie French

10-26-2014, 02:51 AM

Already following from way back... I just saw your 'follow'.
Hit me up anytime...

Hi Jamie,

Glad to hear I am not the only one having major issues with male talent.

Please follow me on twitter and request a follow back and we can discuss the caribbean thing through DM. @joannajet

Kisses,

Joanna
xxx

joannajet

10-26-2014, 04:46 AM

Hi Lordworm,

Would love to see a revival of the shemale tranny hunter series.

Once I get back to shooting in the US and TS performers show willing to shoot TS on TS, I will start releasing this series again.

Kisses,

Joanna
xxx

joannajet

10-26-2014, 04:47 AM

Hi Jamie,

Already following from way back... I just saw your 'follow'.
Hit me up anytime...

Sent you a DM sweetie, will continue to follow up.

Kisses,

Joanna
xxx

TSLoverUK999

10-26-2014, 05:23 AM

Surely the web camming industry is making a huge dent in this.

A fan can buy a porno & it stays the same, no matter how many times it's watched.

Instead they can pay to watch the star of said porno, do what they request, chat ...............& be happy to pay a premium price for this interaction.

The performer gets a greater regular return, for less marketing & other over heads & is in full control.

joannajet

10-26-2014, 06:03 AM

Hi TSLover,

Surely the web camming industry is making a huge dent in this.

Actually, webcamming works in conjunction with a web site for an independent performer as webcam offers the interaction when the model is available online but the website provides further associated material when she is not.

Kisses,

Joanna
xxx

TSLoverUK999

10-26-2014, 06:19 AM

I can see how it works in conjuction but surely it now offers an alternative for the girls when making a starting career choice or direction change.

For anyone porn is a massive decision and undertaking, especially a ts girl so camming must be empowering, an easier prospect & sustainable, compared to shooting a scene.

TempestTS

10-26-2014, 06:28 AM

Talent is hard to come by... I get girls as they travel through the middle of the country on their way to LA and that's about it. Dudes are impossible. They're either eager to work but "physically wrong" for the gig or in great shape on all counts but cancel at the 11th hour.

Try Minneapolis - nobody comes up here - if I want to film hard core I have to wait till Im in LA or fly somebody which cuts pretty deep into production costs - I might as well live in the Antarctic - talk about a ghost town, I dont even think we have ghosts for that matter...

TempestTS

10-26-2014, 06:29 AM

Hi Lordworm,

Once I get back to shooting in the US and TS performers show willing to shoot TS on TS, I will start releasing this series again.

Kisses,

Joanna
xxx

TS on TS - you now have my complete and undivided attention...

TSMichelleAustin

10-26-2014, 06:33 AM

This year I have done a lot of hardcore. But everyone is right, finding good talent is hard. A lot of us girls have to work together and trade. Christian is the only male talent out there doing trade, so hard to find good talent. Upside to working with Christian, he comes, does the work and we're in and out. Using new guys can take hours and hours of shit to get a scene. When working on other sites I always end up with the guy who cant stay hard and I spend 3 extra hours dealing with all that! Joanna is got it if she can get people down there to work! Who needs a work vacation??? LOL

Jamie French

10-26-2014, 06:37 AM

Camming is a total chore to some people. I kind of hate it. I need the full control of a studio environment, planning, post production, the works. Winging it live for people I've never met most often gives me anxiety. Sets me to drinkin' and that's no bueno.

I can see how it works in conjuction but surely it now offers an alternative for the girls when making a starting career choice or direction change.

For anyone porn is a massive decision and undertaking, especially a ts girl so camming must be empowering, an easier prospect & sustainable, compared to shooting a scene.

TSMichelleAustin

10-26-2014, 06:43 AM

Camming is a total chore to some people. I kind of hate it. I need the full control of a studio environment, planning, post production, the works. Winging it live for people I've never met most often gives me anxiety. Sets me to drinkin' and that's no bueno.

Im same way, hate camming. I only cam once a week for Cam4 but its paid and I don't have to beg men for money! I just put on hour show and call it a night.

TSLoverUK999

10-26-2014, 06:50 AM

Well they are certainly different perspectatives on it but I bet some cam girls feel the same about setting shoots, scenes, post production etc when they can just turn on a laptop & camera, work and earn ££££ or $$$$

I'm just saying appears to me a real alternative now & possibly another reason for fall in sales, revenue & performers in the porn industry.

Different horses for different courses etc

christianxxx

10-26-2014, 07:18 AM

WendyWilliams

10-26-2014, 11:32 AM

I have to co-sign what all the models are saying, find RELIABLE male talent is just HORRIBLE and getting worse it seems. I don't shoot much anymore and being on the East Coast makes it almost impossible anymore! Since I don't do females or TS then my talent pool went to hell LOL

I will say that I've noticed more hardcore's on the tgirl network lately. Tiffany Starr, Carmen Moore, Foxxy, Natalia Coxxx, Kelly Clare, Kimber, Bailey Jay ETC.......

legault

10-26-2014, 12:04 PM

looks like its time to start shooting ts on ts

Ecstatic

10-26-2014, 05:10 PM

Glad to hear I am not the only one having major issues with male talent.

Another issue is how often can a girl shoot with the same male talent? Fans (and models!) want variety, and such a small pool of male talent available limits the options. I think I shot Tiffany Starr with new male talent Antonio (good performer, strapping, tool that stays hard) three times this year, which is a lot (though fortunately one was a threesome with Ada Black, which brings in variety).

PS For TS on TS, Joanna, I'd love to shoot you and Tiffany or you and Tempest in LA this Feb (hint...)

AshlynCreamher

10-26-2014, 05:17 PM

Fans (and models!) want variety,

I love Variety

joannajet

10-26-2014, 07:54 PM

Hi Ecstatic,

PS For TS on TS, Joanna, I'd love to shoot you and Tiffany or you and Tempest in LA this Feb (hint...)

I will not be shooting during the TEA's as last year, no one showed up to scheduled shoots. Too busy partying or too disorganised to have STD test certificates on time.

Joanna
xxx

Jamie French

10-26-2014, 07:56 PM

Damn. Should have hit me up. I spend ALL my time getting as much shot as I can while in LA. Anything less would be a wasted trip.

Hi Ecstatic,

I will not be shooting during the TEA's as last year, no one showed up to scheduled shoots. Too busy partying or too disorganised to have STD test certificates on time.

Joanna
xxx

Korra_Del_Rio

10-26-2014, 10:09 PM

I suppose I should just throw my name into this pool of people actively looking to shoot. If you're in town and looking to do trade hit me up for sure. :)

lb0911

11-06-2014, 07:00 PM

Dear Joanna,I am a Chinese, be your fans for many years.
I catch that you CUM much bigger load in the scenes you shot recently, very thick and very hot! What is the secret?Can you tell me?:kiss:

joannajet

11-07-2014, 04:46 PM

Hello lbo,

Dear Joanna,I am a Chinese, be your fans for many years.
I catch that you CUM much bigger load in the scenes you shot recently, very thick and very hot! What is the secret?Can you tell me?:kiss:

Always great to know that I appeal to so many diverse nationalities!

As for my cumshots, I put it down to being physically fitter than I have been in a long time and my high protein diet ;-)

Kisses,

Joanna
xxx

EvaCassini

11-07-2014, 05:00 PM

Hi TSPornFan,

For me personally, I just can't get the performers. Established male talent has been letting me down on or off set and new talent can't be arsed to get themselves regular STD test certificates.

Female and TS talent seems more intent on tweeting selfies and begging for stuff off their wish-list than actually producing hardcore.

I now have an amazing private location in the Caribbean and even though I offer paid flights and a vacation in an independent bungalow in return for shared hardcore content, I have had no takers.

It therefore looks like I may have to fly my photographer and myself to the models in the US which seriously restricts budget and therefore reduces the number of hardcore shoots that one can successfully produce.

Kisses,

Joanna
xxx

Hey hun! I spoke to Jamie about your trip/trade shoot offer, and we both are very very interested and reliable for it. I'll hit you up on the DM tweetie! :D