What brought down TWA Flight 800?

[NYCe]

Today is the 10 year anniversary of the fatal crash of TWA Flight 800 where 230 died. Even though the end result is the same regardless of what happened to the plane, I'd like to see what members of HA think.

[chefmike]

I recall reading some articles that gave some credibility to the theory that it could have been a shoulder-fired missile...but when you're dealing with aircraft it can be almost anything that causes a crash...therein lies the mystery...but I would have to do more reading on it to vote on the matter...

[chefmike]

it said that it was funnier and better looking than seanchai and bam, it mysteriously dissapeared...

LMAO...you'd best be careful J...or the tranny illuminati will put out another cyber-hit on you...

[Jamie Michelle]

Today is the 10 year anniversary of the fatal crash of TWA Flight 800 where 230 died. Even though the end result is the same regardless of what happened to the plane, I'd like to see what members of HA think.

TWA Flight 800 was shot down on July 17, 1996 at about 8:31 PM by a missile fired by the U.S. military during exercises they were conducting at that time. The available evidence indicates that the shoot-down was accidental.

Over 150 eyewitnesses report a missile shooting up from the sea and striking an airliner (which turned out to be TWA Flight 800), exploding in the process and raining down debris.

At first the U.S. Navy lied by saying that they had no vessels in the area of the TWA Flight 800 crash, claiming that the USS Normandy was the closest asset at over a hundred miles from the crash. But it was later revealed that the USS Trepang, a Sturgeon class attack submarine, the USS Albuquerque, a type 688 Los Angeles class fast attack submarine equipped with vertical launch tubes, the USS Wyoming, a nuclear ballistic missile submarine, USS Augusta, a type 688 submarine with vertical launch tubes for missiles, were all in the area at the time conducting exercises.

Both explosives and rocket fuel residue was found on the remains of TWA Flight 800. As well, ultra-supersonic projectile damage was inflicted upon the remains of TWA Flight 800, demonstrating the detonation of high explosives.

The above barely even begins to scratch the surface of all the massive amounts of evidence that proves that TWA Flight 800 was shot down by the U.S. military by mistake in a training exercise. For the above and more evidence, see the below:

"TWA Flight 800 Probable Cause Announced," overview of a Flight 800 Independent Researchers Organization (FIRO) talk entitled "TWA Flight 800 and Official Obfuscation" given at the Worcester Polytechnic Institute (WPI) on October 8, 2003 by FIRO Chairman Dr. Thomas F. Stalcup, sponsored by the student group Power of One:

http://flight800.org/probable_cause.htm

"Petition for the Reconsideration and Modification of the National Transportation Safety Board's Findings and Determination of the Probable Cause for the Crash of TWA Flight 800," Dr. Thomas F. Stalcup, Flight 800 Independent Researchers Organization, May 20, 2002:

http://flight800.org/FIRO_Petition.pdf
http://flight800.org/FIRO_pet_attach.pdf

http://flight800.org/petition/pet_contents.htm

"Review of the Official TWA Flight 800 Witness Reports," Dr. Thomas F. Stalcup and Thomas Shoemaker, Flight 800 Independent Researchers Organization, May 30, 2001:

http://flight800.org/witness-review.htm

"Was TWA 800 Shot Down By a Military Missile?," WhatReallyHappened.com:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/CRASH/TWA/twa.html

"TWA Flight 800--The Missile Theory," Ian Williams Goddard:

http://users.erols.com/igoddard/TWA800/index.htm
http://www.serendipity.li/more/goddard2/twa800.html

"We Saw TWA Flight 800 Shot Down by Missiles!," TWA 800 Eyewitness Alliance, ad in the Washington Times, August 15, 2000:

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a1f18de6090.htm

"Airlines Feared a 'Friendly Fire' Disaster; Have We Had Our First?," Joe Brancatelli, TheTrip.com, Inc., July 21, 1997:

http://web.archive.org/web/19980117052100/http://www.thetrip.com/complete/content/oys_broc-Jul211997-87.html
http://joe.biztravelife.com/97/072197.htm
http://www.twa800.com/news/biztravel-7-20-00.htm

[chefmike]

TWA missile theory co-author apologizes

Says report was 'reckless'
November 5, 1997
Web posted at: 9:19 p.m. EST (0219 GMT)
From Correspondent Christine Negroni

NEW YORK (CNN) -- Ian Goddard, co-author of a report that claimed the U.S. Navy shot down TWA Flight 800, has told CNN that those charges were "reckless and a mistake."

In a written statement to CNN, Goddard apologized to "all those in the Navy I have wrongfully accused" and to "those who believed in my efforts and who are now upset with me for my change of mind."

Goddard co-authored the report with former ABC news reporter Pierre Salinger and a third man, Mike Sommers.


the rest of this article here-

http://cnn.org/US/9711/05/twa.missile.pm/index.html

[Jamie Michelle]

TWA missile theory co-author apologizes

Says report was 'reckless'
November 5, 1997
Web posted at: 9:19 p.m. EST (0219 GMT)
From Correspondent Christine Negroni

NEW YORK (CNN) -- Ian Goddard, co-author of a report that claimed the U.S. Navy shot down TWA Flight 800, has told CNN that those charges were "reckless and a mistake."

In a written statement to CNN, Goddard apologized to "all those in the Navy I have wrongfully accused" and to "those who believed in my efforts and who are now upset with me for my change of mind."

Goddard co-authored the report with former ABC news reporter Pierre Salinger and a third man, Mike Sommers.


the rest of this article here-

http://cnn.org/US/9711/05/twa.missile.pm/index.html

That CNN report turns out to be false. Ian Goddard does believe that a U.S. military missile hit TWA Flight 800, as can be seen from his below website:

"TWA Flight 800--The Missile Theory," Ian Williams Goddard:

http://users.erols.com/igoddard/TWA800/index.htm

But even if that CNN report were true, it would still have no bearing on what happened on the day of July 17, 1996 to TWA Flight 800. It would be like someone saying that Joseph Stalin didn't murder tens of millions of his own citizens because a former critic of Stalin now says that he is wrong in his criticisms. The evidence stands on its own.

[chefmike]

The CNN statement is dated November 5, 1997...show us where he (Goddard) recanted said statement after that date...from a credible source for a change...not that I'll be paying any further attention to your psycho spam for now...

And after that you can tell us yet again about the 9/11 hoax, how satanists control the government, how you met jesus (and how "well hung" he was-thanks for that line, J), how space aliens talk to you on a regular basis, etc...

And tell us again your theories about the Holocaust being a hoax, james...

[Jamie Michelle]

The CNN statement is dated November 5, 1997...show us where he (Goddard) recanted said statement after that date...from a credible source for a change...not that I'll be paying any further attention to your psycho spam for now...

And after that you can tell us yet again about the 9/11 hoax, how satanists control the government, how you met jesus (and how "well hung" he was-thanks for that line, J), how space aliens talk to you on a regular basis, etc...

And tell us again your theories about the Holocaust being a hoax, james...

Chefmike, you here demonstrate how you are quite the fabulist. You're the one who asked about how "well hung" Jesus Christ is. Thus:

http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?p=95088



Jamie, you've told us that you met jesus...

but you never answered J's question...

was jesus "well-hung?"

after all, he was a carpenter...

I'm not familiar with the notion of carpenters being well-hung. As to Jesus Christ's state of "hungness," since He's God, he can be as hung or un-hung as he wants to be.

As far as how "space aliens talk to you on a regular basis," that's between you and your voices, chefmike. I don't believe in the existence of extraterrestrials, let alone hear any voices from them.

[InHouston]

Today is the 10 year anniversary of the fatal crash of TWA Flight 800 where 230 died. Even though the end result is the same regardless of what happened to the plane, I'd like to see what members of HA think.

TWA Flight 800 was shot down on July 17, 1996 at about 8:31 PM by a missile fired by the U.S. military during exercises they were conducting at that time. The available evidence indicates that the shoot-down was accidental.

Over 150 eyewitnesses report a missile shooting up from the sea and striking an airliner (which turned out to be TWA Flight 800), exploding in the process and raining down debris.

At first the U.S. Navy lied by saying that they had no vessels in the area of the TWA Flight 800 crash, claiming that the USS Normandy was the closest asset at over a hundred miles from the crash. But it was later revealed that the USS Trepang, a Sturgeon class attack submarine, the USS Albuquerque, a type 688 Los Angeles class fast attack submarine equipped with vertical launch tubes, the USS Wyoming, a nuclear ballistic missile submarine, USS Augusta, a type 688 submarine with vertical launch tubes for missiles, were all in the area at the time conducting exercises.

Both explosives and rocket fuel residue was found on the remains of TWA Flight 800. As well, ultra-supersonic projectile damage was inflicted upon the remains of TWA Flight 800, demonstrating the detonation of high explosives.

The above barely even begins to scratch the surface of all the massive amounts of evidence that proves that TWA Flight 800 was shot down by the U.S. military by mistake in a training exercise. For the above and more evidence, see the below:

"TWA Flight 800 Probable Cause Announced," overview of a Flight 800 Independent Researchers Organization (FIRO) talk entitled "TWA Flight 800 and Official Obfuscation" given at the Worcester Polytechnic Institute (WPI) on October 8, 2003 by FIRO Chairman Dr. Thomas F. Stalcup, sponsored by the student group Power of One:

http://flight800.org/probable_cause.htm

"Petition for the Reconsideration and Modification of the National Transportation Safety Board's Findings and Determination of the Probable Cause for the Crash of TWA Flight 800," Dr. Thomas F. Stalcup, Flight 800 Independent Researchers Organization, May 20, 2002:

http://flight800.org/FIRO_Petition.pdf
http://flight800.org/FIRO_pet_attach.pdf

http://flight800.org/petition/pet_contents.htm

"Review of the Official TWA Flight 800 Witness Reports," Dr. Thomas F. Stalcup and Thomas Shoemaker, Flight 800 Independent Researchers Organization, May 30, 2001:

http://flight800.org/witness-review.htm

"Was TWA 800 Shot Down By a Military Missile?," WhatReallyHappened.com:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/CRASH/TWA/twa.html

"TWA Flight 800--The Missile Theory," Ian Williams Goddard:

http://users.erols.com/igoddard/TWA800/index.htm
http://www.serendipity.li/more/goddard2/twa800.html

"We Saw TWA Flight 800 Shot Down by Missiles!," TWA 800 Eyewitness Alliance, ad in the Washington Times, August 15, 2000:

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a1f18de6090.htm

"Airlines Feared a 'Friendly Fire' Disaster; Have We Had Our First?," Joe Brancatelli, TheTrip.com, Inc., July 21, 1997:

http://web.archive.org/web/19980117052100/http://www.thetrip.com/complete/content/oys_broc-Jul211997-87.html
http://joe.biztravelife.com/97/072197.htm
http://www.twa800.com/news/biztravel-7-20-00.htm


Since you hate your country so much, why don't you just move to Iran, or Lybia, or Mexico?

[Karlw]

Before u post something it should be check the USS Trepang was decommissioned on 1 June 1999. I should know i was there. Ex submariner here

[Jamie Michelle]

Today is the 10 year anniversary of the fatal crash of TWA Flight 800 where 230 died. Even though the end result is the same regardless of what happened to the plane, I'd like to see what members of HA think.

TWA Flight 800 was shot down on July 17, 1996 at about 8:31 PM by a missile fired by the U.S. military during exercises they were conducting at that time. The available evidence indicates that the shoot-down was accidental.

Over 150 eyewitnesses report a missile shooting up from the sea and striking an airliner (which turned out to be TWA Flight 800), exploding in the process and raining down debris.

At first the U.S. Navy lied by saying that they had no vessels in the area of the TWA Flight 800 crash, claiming that the USS Normandy was the closest asset at over a hundred miles from the crash. But it was later revealed that the USS Trepang, a Sturgeon class attack submarine, the USS Albuquerque, a type 688 Los Angeles class fast attack submarine equipped with vertical launch tubes, the USS Wyoming, a nuclear ballistic missile submarine, USS Augusta, a type 688 submarine with vertical launch tubes for missiles, were all in the area at the time conducting exercises.

Both explosives and rocket fuel residue was found on the remains of TWA Flight 800. As well, ultra-supersonic projectile damage was inflicted upon the remains of TWA Flight 800, demonstrating the detonation of high explosives.

The above barely even begins to scratch the surface of all the massive amounts of evidence that proves that TWA Flight 800 was shot down by the U.S. military by mistake in a training exercise. For the above and more evidence, see the below:

"TWA Flight 800 Probable Cause Announced," overview of a Flight 800 Independent Researchers Organization (FIRO) talk entitled "TWA Flight 800 and Official Obfuscation" given at the Worcester Polytechnic Institute (WPI) on October 8, 2003 by FIRO Chairman Dr. Thomas F. Stalcup, sponsored by the student group Power of One:

http://flight800.org/probable_cause.htm

"Petition for the Reconsideration and Modification of the National Transportation Safety Board's Findings and Determination of the Probable Cause for the Crash of TWA Flight 800," Dr. Thomas F. Stalcup, Flight 800 Independent Researchers Organization, May 20, 2002:

http://flight800.org/FIRO_Petition.pdf
http://flight800.org/FIRO_pet_attach.pdf

http://flight800.org/petition/pet_contents.htm

"Review of the Official TWA Flight 800 Witness Reports," Dr. Thomas F. Stalcup and Thomas Shoemaker, Flight 800 Independent Researchers Organization, May 30, 2001:

http://flight800.org/witness-review.htm

"Was TWA 800 Shot Down By a Military Missile?," WhatReallyHappened.com:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/CRASH/TWA/twa.html

"TWA Flight 800--The Missile Theory," Ian Williams Goddard:

http://users.erols.com/igoddard/TWA800/index.htm
http://www.serendipity.li/more/goddard2/twa800.html

"We Saw TWA Flight 800 Shot Down by Missiles!," TWA 800 Eyewitness Alliance, ad in the Washington Times, August 15, 2000:

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a1f18de6090.htm

"Airlines Feared a 'Friendly Fire' Disaster; Have We Had Our First?," Joe Brancatelli, TheTrip.com, Inc., July 21, 1997:

http://web.archive.org/web/19980117052100/http://www.thetrip.com/complete/content/oys_broc-Jul211997-87.html
http://joe.biztravelife.com/97/072197.htm
http://www.twa800.com/news/biztravel-7-20-00.htm


Since you hate your country so much, why don't you just move to Iran, or Lybia, or Mexico?

That's akin to saying that since so many other serial killers are worse than Jeffrey Dahmer, let's be happy that we're in Jeffrey Dahmer's hands. Except that our actual situation is far worse, as governments--including the U.S. government--murder far, far more people than any conventional serial killer could ever hope to. Governments--including the U.S. government--make serial killers such as Jeffrey Dahmer look like sweet and innocent choirboys by comparison.

A true patriot is someone who loves the innocent people of his country and detests his government, as all governments are unrepentant liars and murderers. After all, the original Patriots in this country were not loyal to their government. They violently overthrew their government.

[Jamie Michelle]

Before u post something it should be check the USS Trepang was decommissioned on 1 June 1999. I should know i was there. Ex submariner here

Who are you talking to? And what relevance does your above comment have to this discussion?

[NYCe]

So this post turned out exactly as I thought it would....

[Jamie Michelle]

Since you hate your country so much, why don't you just move to Iran, or Lybia, or Mexico?

Never ask a coward to act on their own convictions.

They're COWARDS! Pink, white flag waving sissies.

Thank you, TFan. You express that quite nicely.

Indeed they are the ultimate cowards. They don't want to come to terms with the criminality of their own government, as that would put themselves on the spot to do something about it.

Most people like to think of themselves as moral beings. They would like to think of themselves as being capable of doing the right thing if it really came down to it. So when such people are presented with evidence that their own government is a criminal institution, many such people will avoid coming to terms with it. For if they were to acknowledge that fact, then such people would then be put in the moral position of having to do something about it.

But most people are cowards. So when presented with the moral position of having to stand against their own government (i.e., government being the most deadly and pain-inducing institution in the world, further backed up by indoctrination and the peer-pressure effect when it is one's "own" government), most people will choose to avoid confronting such a moral position, due to their own cowardice. Hence, by playing games with oneself, everything is seemingly made right in the world: "I, a moral person, don't have to take a stand against my own government, since it isn't that bad. If it were actually that bad, then of course I would have to fight against it. But since it isn't, I don't have to." Such is the thought-process among the masses which has allowed all tyrannies throughout history to exists.

And it is the indoctrination and peer-pressure effect which scares people the most. The thing that scares most people above all else is that others might think them to be less than what is considered right by their peer group, i.e., typically mass society, but also this applies to fring groups in society.

Chiefly the most cowardly of all people in any society are soldiers, i.e., military soldiers. Take, e.g., running at a machine-gun nest. Or going back further in time, running at a wall with speers and arrows raining down. Etc. Governments throughout history have almost never had much problem getting boys and men to do this activity for them. If such activity were truly a brave thing that is worthy of praise, then why is it so utterly common? Why is it that virtually any government, whether "good" or "bad," can get thousands upon thousands of their own subject to, in effect, commit suicide? And as is so often the case, for the worst of causes.

If such a deed were genuinely a brave act, then we should expect it to be uncommon. Otherwise there would be nothing special about the act. But indeed, such acts are not the least bit uncommon: they are so utterly common as to be mundane.

The point here is that such soldiers throughout history are not acting out of bravery, but that they are in fact acting out of supreme cowardice. For what they fear above all else is what their peer group (i.e., their family, their school, their friends, their lovers, their neighbors, their superiors, their fellow soldiers) will think of them if they don't charge that machine-gun nest, and thereby commit suicide in a corrupt cause. So afraid are they of this disaproval that they don't even so much as have the balls to stand up for their very own life. And so their very lives get used up as cannon fodder, due to their own ultimate cowardice.

Any idiot can charge a machine-gun nest. Governments thoughout history, in any part of the populated world, have almost never lacked in finding thousands of people to do such things for them.

And this, my friends, is the power that governments hold over the minds of men. The power to send their souls to Hell, due to their supreme cowardice.

True bravery is rare. True bravery is going against the grain. True bravery is sticking up for what is right even when you know that everyone will be against you and hate you. That is true bravery, and most people are not up to it, because most people are cowards.