Unpleasant girls

[dbev]

I've just discovered that Sienna Grace is a very unpleasant person.

Better not to chat with our performers... just enjoy the scenes...

[Nikka]

ouch ..........

[Jericho]

I've just discovered that Sienna Grace is a very unpleasant person.
Better not to chat with our performers... just enjoy the scenes...

Would one care to elaborate?

[saifan]

Or maybe realize that these performers are human and have good and bad days like anyone else?

[wearboots4me]

I've just discovered that Sienna Grace is a very unpleasant person.

You're not the only one.

[Michelle Firestone]

I met her at a party & I thought she was a very pleasant person.

[Tapatio]

There seems to be an assumption that they need to be pleasant.

Not the case. Also, are you certain you did nothing to elicit a negative reaction? I'm not, and you could prove it either way.

Best to shut the fuck up, maybe?

[Tapatio]

Would one care to elaborate?

I'll give it a go.

"All I did was rush up to her with a manic look and a hardon, interrupting a conversation to loudly state that I love watching her get fucked while I ride a dildo wearing stockings and garters, jacking off and moaning her name the whole time. Sheesh, some girls."

Your turn, Jericho?

[Jericho]

I'll give it a go.

"All I did was rush up to her with a manic look and a hardon, interrupting a conversation to loudly state that I love watching her get fucked while I ride a dildo wearing stockings and garters, jacking off and moaning her name the whole time. Sheesh, some girls."

Your turn, Jericho?

Can't add to that, I think you've got it covered! :shrug

[wearboots4me]

I wouldn't be so quick to bite the OP's head off. I, too had a negative experience with Sienna on webcam. After tipping her $10 or $20 (I don't remember which) I asked her if she had high heels she could wear, and she started screaming and banned me for life. Other cam girls have simply said, "No, sorry, I don't" or that someone else had already requested another outfit. If she is easily offended by a paying customer requesting favorite clothes or shoes, perhaps she should quit being a cam girl. (Apologies to the rest of the cam girls who give us guys our money's worth:wink:)

[Jericho]

What are you thumbing me down for, ya cock!

If someone comes here and says 'such and such is a bag of shite', but doesn't elaborate on why, what are people supposed to think?

[Tapatio]

I wouldn't be so quick to bite the OP's head off. I, too had a negative experience with Sienna on webcam. After tipping her $10 or $20 (I don't remember which) I asked her if she had high heels she could wear, and she started screaming and banned me for life.

WEBM or it never happened.

Ever consider taking what they offer? Granted, I've never done a webcam with a girl- I prefer IRL, and I make that happen-

but you have to understand that constant demands and a sense of entitlement will wear on a person.

You have to understand the stress that can create. It's not just you- you'll pay the price for others' deeds and misdeeds as well.

Not everyone is 100% gracious 100% of the time.

If you like her, like her. Not just your idealized image of who you want her to be for you.

Plus, it could feel objectifying. Fuck, an ex girlfriend refused to wear lingerie for me sometimes because she thought I liked it more than her. But when she did....

[wearboots4me]

WEBM or it never happened.

Ever consider taking what they offer? Granted, I've never done a webcam with a girl- I prefer IRL, and I make that happen-

but you have to understand that constant demands and a sense of entitlement will wear on a person.

You have to understand the stress that can create. It's not just you- you'll pay the price for others' deeds and misdeeds as well.

Not everyone is 100% gracious 100% of the time.

If you like her, like her. Not just your idealized image of who you want her to be for you.

Plus, it could feel objectifying. Fuck, an ex girlfriend refused to wear lingerie for me sometimes because she thought I liked it more than her. But when she did....

Why couldn't she be nice about it like the other cam girls? I gave her a tip, it's not like I was looking for something for nothing. It would not have been a deal breaker, if she were nice about it. She couldn't simply say "No" without calling me an asshole? I don't want other guys to waste their hard earned money. You guys crack me up with your naivete, do you think she's going to fall in love with you for defending her?

[Tapatio]

Why couldn't she be nice about it like the other cam girls? I gave her a tip, it's not like I was looking for something for nothing. It would not have been a deal breaker, if she were nice about it. She couldn't simply say "No" without calling me an asshole? I don't want other guys to waste their hard earned money. You guys crack me up with your naivete, do you think she's going to fall in love with you for defending her?

Ha! I could care less about her. I have no interest in defending her, but I love fucking with whiners.

And maybe you were an asshole.

[Tapatio]

Do you realize how petty and self absorbed you sound?

Think it's easy for chicks to look at most of the guys that they deal with and conjure passion?

Neck beard, aren't you?

[Tapatio]

She'll eventually age out, or piss off so many people that she can't get folks to spend the cash.

It's her life. Her choice. Vote with your money- if she isn't worth it, don't go back. But this kind of pissant, unsubstantiated complaint is weak.

[Tapatio]

Did she not wear boots for you?

Obvious fetishist is obvious.

[wearboots4me]

Did she not wear boots for you?

Obvious fetishist is obvious.

You figured out I have a fetish? And I thought I chose a user name that kept that a secret. You're a perceptive one, aren't you? You should be working for Scotland Yard with your detective skills.

[Tapatio]

You figured out I have a fetish? And I thought I chose a user name that kept that a secret. You're a perceptive one, aren't you? You should be working for Scotland Yard with your detective skills.

Not about figuring you out so much as trying to determine why youre kissing and moaning. I just don't get it.

But really I'm just fucking around. I don't care either way past the annoyance of listening to people who bring it on themselves complaining about why things suck.

Seriously- "why can't she be like other girls"? Because she is herself.

[Ts RedVeX]

I usually get unpleasant on the phone whenever I sense a hint of timewaster... Show respect guys or you can forget about fulfillment!

[peacheater]

Newsflash!
Transgender girls are as varied and human as anybody else!
Up next - scientists have discovered that water is often wet.

[GroobySteven]

You guys crack me up with your naivete, do you think she's going to fall in love with you for defending her?

We see guys thinking that all too often.

[Prospero]

But water isn't wet if you are a fish

[peacheater]

But water isn't wet if you are a fish

I'm pretty sure it is. Definitely wetter than being out of water.

[smithken]

There seems to be an assumption that they need to be pleasant.

Not the case. Also, are you certain you did nothing to elicit a negative reaction? I'm not, and you could prove it either way.

Best to shut the fuck up, maybe?


Fuckoff and go be a white knight somewhere else

[Tapatio]

Fuckoff and go be a white knight somewhere else

Again, not defending any girl in particular. Just offering some suggestions as to how those with butthurt can soothe their aches.

I don't buy the sense of entitlement that chat customers seem to have.

You know what you're saying when you connect with a girl and then ask her to change something about how she looks, how she acts? You're saying "you're not good/sexy/ interesting enough as you are." And they already feel they're not good enough as they are, or they wouldn't be transitioning.

As far as I can tell (and again, I don't play via webcam) it's not Burger King. You don't necessarily get it your way.

Don't like her? Don't engage her. Supply and demand will take care of the rest.

But anonymous and unsubstantiated complaints targeting specific people on a board like this are pathetic.

[Jericho]

Don't like her? Don't engage her. Supply and demand will take care of the rest.

But anonymous and unsubstantiated complaints targeting specific people on a board like this are pathetic.

^^^This^^^
There must be some dumb motherfuckers on this board if they can't understand that.

[wearboots4me]

So, we are not supposed to talk about our experiences with transgender performers? Or only about how wonderful they are? Is that what this is all about?

[Jericho]

So, we are not supposed to talk about our experiences with transgender performers? Or only about how wonderful they are? Is that what this is all about?

Are you really this dense, or are you just being obtuse?
Seriously?

[Jericho]

I mean, if you've had a bad experience, by all means, talk about it.

If you think Libby's a bag of shit, tell us why you think Libby's a bag of shit.
If you just come here and say, Libby's a bag of shit" with no explanation of why you think Libby's a bag of shit, people (I) just naturally assume you're a stirring fukker! :shrug


NB.
Fuck, Sorry Libby, I DO NOT think yer a bag of shit...It's just yours was the first name i thought of! :dead:

[wearboots4me]

I mean, if you've had a bad experience, by all means, talk about it.

If you think Libby's a bag of shit, tell us why you think Libby's a bag of shit.
If you just come here and say, Libby's a bag of shit" with no explanation of why you think Libby's a bag of shit, people (I) just naturally assume you're a stirring fukker! :shrug


NB.
Fuck, Sorry Libby, I DO NOT think yer a bag of shit...It's just yours was the first name i thought of! :dead:

I didn't say anyone was a "bag of shit". Neither did the OP if I read correctly. Stop putting words into our mouths!

[Jericho]

I didn't say anyone was a "bag of shit". Neither did the OP if I read correctly. Stop putting words into our mouths!


Oh, for fuck sake, are you really that stupid?
I was paraphrasing! :rolleyes:

[Jericho]

Bag of Shit, Unpleasant, Riddled with aids, whatever...
We've all seen the unsubstantiated accusations about the girls.
If you've got a beef with a girl, show a bit of spine, elaborate! :shrug

[Jericho]

..... :banghead

[Tapatio]

I did see some reasons, I just disagree that they're valid- I see them as childish and lacking empathy and perspective.

Out of curiosity, how much do people spend on a webcam session to feel they deserve capitulation to their demands?

Every clothing change, etc. eats into a girl's time and could deny them additional income and eat into the test of their lives.

Jericho makes good points.

I'm out of this one, Jer- you're also right about the head and the wall. Rather than attempting to evaluate a differing view, folks are parsing.

[Jericho]

I'm out of this one, Jer- you're also right about the head and the wall. Rather than attempting to evaluate a differing view, folks are parsing.

I had a summer job teaching remedial once, so I'm having one last try, then fuck 'em!

Boots, apart from being a bit dense (don't worry, life can't be kind to all of us), I don't have a problem with you.
You came in with support for the op, BUT, you told us why you think the way you do.
Perhaps you deserved it, perhaps you didn't, I've no way of knowing, but, i can respect that. :shrug


And, as this thread's about sienna...
I was watching her last night on chaturbate.
She really snapped at a guy, BUT...

Who was the rude unpleasant one?
Her, for having a go at him?
Or him, for interrupting her oily cock rubbing show, and virtually insisting that, "fuck the other three hundred guys that are watching you grease that monkey up, stop, and talk to me!" ?

I mean, fuck me, he pissed me off, and I'm the voice of reason! :hide-1:

I'm not defending her.
I wouldn't be as harsh as she was (fuck off, you know what i mean), but...
It doesn't matter how much you tip. Her room, her rules, and if you're putting her off her stroke, you're fucking it up for everyone else in the room.

[EvaCassini]

This is how I look at it...from both sides...as someone who has, pardon the expression, "slaved" on cam enough to know a few things.

Both sides are correct.

YES, many dudes are very annoying, asking for something without paying, or without even offering any kind of compensation. Those dudes I just ignore, or I will simply say, "If you want that, tip "this much", or tip any amount, and I will happily do it for you."

IF a dude does pay whether coaxed by that or simply out of the blue, then asks for something, a performer absolutely SHOULD be thankful and either oblige or say, "Thank you, but I can't/won't do that. Maybe something else?"

10-20 dollar tips are quite a big thing. Normally guys who do tip, will tip like 1 dollar or 5. If someone tips 10-20 bucks, my attention goes straight to that generous guy.

If a girl exploded on a guy for tipping or for just being nice and inquisitive, then there is something wrong with her interaction skills.

10 or 20 bucks tipped for wearing a heels or boots (which most performers have, especially if they do porn). HOLY SHIT really? Imagine if someone tipped you 10-20 bucks just to wear heels/boots and show them off. WOULD YOU SNAP, COMPLAIN, and/or FLIP YOUR SHIT AND BE A TOTAL CUNT? FUCK NO!

If someone tipped any one of you to fill up a glass of water and drink it, FUCKING DO IT! That is the extent of difficulty as putting on a pair of heels/boots. It is NOT that fucking hard to put on heels/boots.

It's not like anyone asked her to shit into a bowl, then eat it.

There is really no reason for a performer, blessed enough to make a "living" camming, to be a cunt, unless provoked by an asshole, an annoying troll, or is tricked into doing something and not being compensated for it.

Those who say that "if you don't like the girl or how she treated you, don't watch her", are correct too. But keep in mind, that in camming, money and respect talks, and if either one is given, then the girl should be thankful either way.

Yes, girls have bad days and may take it out on cam, but that shows what kind of performer she is and what kind of personality she has. This is not the first time I have heard/seen about Sienna's attitude on cam.

[Jericho]

As always Eva, voice of reason.
God, i love you...In a creepy internet stalker kind of way! :jerkoff

[EvaCassini]

I love you too Jericho. Now lets hurry to the prom, so you can get me drunk behind the auditorium and we exchange blowsies. :D

[wearboots4me]

This is how I look at it...from both sides...as someone who has, pardon the expression, "slaved" on cam enough to know a few things.

Both sides are correct.

YES, many dudes are very annoying, asking for something without paying, or without even offering any kind of compensation. Those dudes I just ignore, or I will simply say, "If you want that, tip "this much", or tip any amount, and I will happily do it for you."

IF a dude does pay whether coaxed by that or simply out of the blue, then asks for something, a performer absolutely SHOULD be thankful and either oblige or say, "Thank you, but I can't/won't do that. Maybe something else?"

10-20 dollar tips are quite a big thing. Normally guys who do tip, will tip like 1 dollar or 5. If someone tips 10-20 bucks, my attention goes straight to that generous guy.

If a girl exploded on a guy for tipping or for just being nice and inquisitive, then there is something wrong with her interaction skills.

10 or 20 bucks tipped for wearing a heels or boots (which most performers have, especially if they do porn). HOLY SHIT really? Imagine if someone tipped you 10-20 bucks just to wear heels/boots and show them off. WOULD YOU SNAP, COMPLAIN, and/or FLIP YOUR SHIT AND BE A TOTAL CUNT? FUCK NO!

If someone tipped any one of you to fill up a glass of water and drink it, FUCKING DO IT! That is the extent of difficulty as putting on a pair of heels/boots. It is NOT that fucking hard to put on heels/boots.

It's not like anyone asked her to shit into a bowl, then eat it.

There is really no reason for a performer, blessed enough to make a "living" camming, to be a cunt, unless provoked by an asshole, an annoying troll, or is tricked into doing something and not being compensated for it.

Those who say that "if you don't like the girl or how she treated you, don't watch her", are correct too. But keep in mind, that in camming, money and respect talks, and if either one is given, then the girl should be thankful either way.

Yes, girls have bad days and may take it out on cam, but that shows what kind of performer she is and what kind of personality she has. This is not the first time I have heard/seen about Sienna's attitude on cam.

Thanks, Eva! You get what I was saying.

[Jericho]

Vodka up!
btw, is it me or you that "suckshorsecock" doesn't like?

[Jericho]

Thanks, Eva! You get what I was saying.

I got what you were saying.
But, She probably replied a lot more coherently that i did.
Sorry for calling you a cock (I'm British, think of it as a term of endearment)!

[GroobySteven]

Are you really this dense, or are you just being obtuse?
Seriously?

What are you so uptight about?
If someone spent money on a product, and didn't think it was good - then why shouldn't they talk about it.
If anyone is being this dense, it's you and Tapatio.
They're entitled to their opinions as long as it isn't slanderous. It's not as if they were expecting something for nothing.

[Jericho]

They're entitled to their opinions as long as it isn't slanderous. It's not as if they were expecting something for nothing.

The only thing I'm uptight about is that I'm stuck in the fucking house all weekend! So cams are a distraction.

Of course people are entitled to their opinions.
But, for fucks sake, unsubstantiated claims of shit performance?
Surely, you want more/better than this?

Or, are the stats down, and we need some salvage?

[Ms.Stepford]

I used to keep a newspaper in cabinets under my bed because this one dude would take me to exclusive sessions and pay four bucks a minute to watch me roll around in it.

I didn't care what I had to take off or put on, since I was making $1.40 a minute.

[EvaCassini]

Vodka up!
btw, is it me or you that "suckshorsecock" doesn't like?

Huh? Who? lol

[GroobySteven]

The only thing I'm uptight about is that I'm stuck in the fucking house all weekend! So cams are a distraction.

Of course people are entitled to their opinions.
But, for fucks sake, unsubstantiated claims of shit performance?
Surely, you want more/better than this?

Or, are the stats down, and we need some salvage?

Stats aren't down - but membership might be down by one if you want to keep making those claims.
It's un-substantiated but not slanderous and there is a right to reply. The same on the escort review forum. Simply blocking or banning anyone who says anything bad about a service, isn't productive. I don't block comments or criticisms about my products, I answer them, until they become slanderous (see your above comment).

[Jericho]

Stats aren't down - but membership might be down by one if you want to keep making those claims.
It's un-substantiated but not slanderous and there is a right to reply. The same on the escort review forum. Simply blocking or banning anyone who says anything bad about a service, isn't productive. I don't block comments or criticisms about my products, I answer them, until they become slanderous (see your above comment).

From my very first post in this thread, all i have asked is that if someone is going to slag a girl off, back it up, elaborate.
Otherwise, expect people to call it bullshit! :shrug


Simply blocking or banning anyone who says anything bad about a service, isn't productive.
Of course it isn't!
Who's asking for that?

I like this place.
I have no desire to be banned.
If you feel I've slandered you, i apologise.
But, (apart from the stats thing) i stand by my viewpoint.

[ed_jaxon]

I for one would love to see someone get a salvage beating.

[Ms.Stepford]

I for one would love to see someone get a salvage beating.

Like with scrap metal?

[dbev]

Conversation on a famous website... just asking questions about career and daily life... other t-girls were nice and quite pleased for the same questions.

It's not the good or bad day, it's just asking moderators to ban people for asking normale questions.

[crystalsopen]

I usually get unpleasant on the phone whenever I sense a hint of timewaster... Show respect guys or you can forget about fulfillment!
This is why cam show wise I prefer to work on sites that emphasize per minute chat. I can easily draw in a crowd of 100-200 people but on only a small number of tippers. When I then get flooded with requests for freebies it puts me in bad mood. I still tried to stay pleasant during those 'public' shows, but I am much happier on sites that don't give it away.

[GroobySteven]

From my very first post in this thread, all i have asked is that if someone is going to slag a girl off, back it up, elaborate.
Otherwise, expect people to call it bullshit! :shrug


Of course it isn't!
Who's asking for that?

I like this place.
I have no desire to be banned.
If you feel I've slandered you, i apologise.
But, (apart from the stats thing) i stand by my viewpoint.

It's opinions though isn't it. One persons opinion being that the girl was unpleasant because A, B, C - and the others being that was ok. It's the same when we read tripadvisor, we base our judgements on the person making the review (how much weight they have in this forum) and whether what they say, sounds reasonable. Being asked to provide proof would be pretty creepy (recording shows looking to catch someone out?).

You can call bullshit but when something sounds reasonable, or from a member who has been around some, then the burden of proof would be on you. This forum has a right to reply, in which a model can come in and tell it from their side.

[GroobySteven]

Looking good last week!

[Jericho]

It's opinions though isn't it. One persons opinion being that the girl was unpleasant because A, B, C - and the others being that was ok. It's the same when we read tripadvisor, we base our judgements on the person making the review (how much weight they have in this forum) and whether what they say, sounds reasonable. Being asked to provide proof would be pretty creepy (recording shows looking to catch someone out?).

You can call bullshit but when something sounds reasonable, or from a member who has been around some, then the burden of proof would be on you. This forum has a right to reply, in which a model can come in and tell it from their side.

Well yes, but no.
This is the thing, init.
I'm not even asking for *proof* (creepy recordings, or whatever), I'm just asking for elaboration. Tell us about your experience, don't just sat say blah is shit.blah blah
Do wot boots did (i believe him) , elaborate.

Anyway, I can't believe how caught up i've got in something i don't give a shit about!

[Jericho]

Damn, the little things catch you!

[Jericho]

Looking good last week!

And btw, thank you for them!