Stolen Content Site

[livepersona]

I have a serious question about "stolen content sites". I posted a link a while back and it was removed because it was one of those sites. After I sent Grooby a message he was very understanding about it and explained it was a stolen site.

I've never thought of those sites as stolen content sites. I honestly thought they were somehow linked with advertising because they would link back to pay sites. I had always thought they were preview/advertising sites.

Can someone explain the difference? Has anyone else thought this as well?

Just trying to understand the difference.

[flabbybody]

You can't really think viewing free porn is simply "linked with advertising"
You're consuming content without paying the creator. It would be nice to get Justin Timberlake tickets for nothing but would he perform without getting paid?
I won't be an asshole and suggest I'm not on my iPad viewing freebies. But surely you can see why a porn marketing website would prohibit tube site links.

[nysprod]

The op may be a little confused between tube sites that show long videos which obviously are stolen vs. sites which link to a few pics and/or short clips from a producer or studio.

[TSMichelleAustin]

Some companies, Grooby one (on Tgirls.com) will throw up a full length video to intice the customer to go to that site. Same can happen on numerous of sites. I have a producer account on a site that is well known as stolen site. But I only have trailers that have banners and links around it directing back to my site. But these sites have a hard time moderating customers uploading stolen goods. Best way to ever know on a tube site if its stolen or not, look below and above the video, does it say something like "See more of this at..." and does it have a banner for that site below? If its just a basic banner you can see all over that site then 9 times out of 10 its a stolen video. Most of time if I see a stolen video, I contact the companies with link to the stolen vid to get it taken down. Some sites like the one I use takes it down ASAP. But for tgirl material Tgirls.com is the best tube site for free stuff that is not stolen.

[sukumvit boy]

tks michelle very informative

[flabbybody]

Michelle makes a great point. No all tube sites contain stolen material, Grooby owns a few of them. But if you're watching a 20 minute vid without forking over your plastic, safe bet it's stolen, and you're stealing it. You can say you're just doing what everyone else does, but that's the main part of the problem.

[DeezNuts515]

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx seems to be the only "legit" tube site that is "advertising" the content. Everything there is a trailer of sorts. Does anyone know if this is accurate?

It's irrelevant to my intentions to post, as I would never link anyway, but I've been curious about that site. It's good for identifying certain ladies.

[LilyRox]

I have a serious question about "stolen content sites". I posted a link a while back and it was removed because it was one of those sites. After I sent Grooby a message he was very understanding about it and explained it was a stolen site.

I've never thought of those sites as stolen content sites. I honestly thought they were somehow linked with advertising because they would link back to pay sites. I had always thought they were preview/advertising sites.

Can someone explain the difference? Has anyone else thought this as well?

Just trying to understand the difference.

Many of these tube sites work with complaints received to take down stolen content. The problem is that content uploaded to these tube sites are uploaded by thousands of users, so of course stolen content is uploaded regularly. When it comes to legal action it doesn't go anywhere as the site owner can just point the finger to the users uploading the content and their site staff are taking action to remove stolen content (in most cases). Ultimately it normally falls on the part of the users uploading stolen content and breaching the tube site's TOS.

In the world of the internet we face the problem of anonymity and the ability to create dozens of "mule" accounts in cyber space, making it currently nearly impossible to take care of a problem like this (in all virtual content trades). I would hope in the future of the internet no one will be anonymous and having ID required will make the internet a much safer place. Currently because of the anonymity of the internet it's much easier for people to commit crimes (psychologically). This ties into the Trolley Problem if you are familiar with it.

[Pelheckitt]

I agree 100% that these sites contain stolen content but depending on the age of the material or the fiscal relevance of it, it could actually generate traffic to the legitimate site or purchase of the DVD to see missing scenes or content especially if the vid is stamped with an identifier.

But it is the owners justifiable right to pull their material from sites like that

[GroobySteven]

Two things here,

a) we have a "no linking" policy. That means we don't want links going out to stolen content sites - or legal affiliate sites. Why would we spend money on running this site only to give away free links to an affiliate, who then sells our sites and gets paid for it - or sells another site and gets paid? This site runs as a business?
We allow links to people's personal sites. We allow girls and some known producers who participate here to promote their sites but for the rest, if you want to link, then you can pay.

b) Tube sites run by mostly using stolen content. Some of the bigger ones have started allowing producers to upload and then the tube site works as an affiliate back to those sites getting paid usually 50%. Our affiliates who are running blogs, hosted galleries, forums, review sites etc, usually convert around 1:400 - 1:1000, that means for every 400 (or 1000) people that they send from their site, to one of ours, 1 reaches into their wallet and joins. Tube sites traffic converts at closer to 1:10,0000. So even though we work with some, we're not that excited about them - people who have became used to getting their content for free, rarely want to ever to have to pay for it.

[livepersona]

I won't name the site I posted to but it wasn't a site that had full videos or a tube site to my knowledge. It had 2-5 minute clips and about 5-10 photos of the girl which would link back to the original site which the photos were shot for.

Thanks for the replies everyone. I think the "legal affiliate" term is what I was unaware of.

[TSMichelleAustin]

I won't name the site I posted to but it wasn't a site that had full videos or a tube site to my knowledge. It had 2-5 minute clips and about 5-10 photos of the girl which would link back to the original site which the photos were shot for.

Thanks for the replies everyone. I think the "legal affiliate" term is what I was unaware of.

its because its his first statement, its an affiliate site. They make money off sending traffic to sites. Which is what they do here, so they dont want to send free traffic to that site, to get sales.

[flabbybody]

It would be great if people would take a couple of minutes to read this thread

[Turlington]

It would be great if people would take a couple of minutes to read this thread

Make it a sticky.

[bluesoul]

Make it a sticky.

there is already a sticky about it

[livepersona]

It would be great if people would take a couple of minutes to read this thread

Yep, which is exactly why I asked the question. I honestly didn't know and wondered if other people knew.

[TSPornFan]

Let me answer the question at hand.

An affiliate site has previews such as short clips and a few pictures. An illegal site has complete videos and sometimes pictures. These sites can be tough to shut down due to nations having different copyright laws and online laws.

[Deimos]

Sounds like you may be talking about what is known as a TGP... thumbnail gallery page. Or maybe I'm wrong.

[SexSlave1972]

What's the difference stolen still picture and stolen film ?
IMO nothing, same owners right's in both.
Banning linking of picture's would put many thread's down...

[GroobySteven]

What's the difference stolen still picture and stolen film ?
IMO nothing, same owners right's in both.
Banning linking of picture's would put many thread's down...

1. Almost all images here are uploaded to the site and not linked, which allows us to remove with a DMCA notice or if the owner asks. Most image content is here with the owners permission to allow promotion of their material and showing a small handful of images, is vastly different to a full length scene. If you don't see the difference there, you've a very narrow vision.

2. If an outside link takes a surfer to a stolen content site, it sends that surfer to discovery of a lot more stolen content. Why would we need to propigate and promote that? Also links help SEO, we've no reason to help raise a pirate site's SEO.