Did Sienna Grace pull the biggest scam in TS porn history?

[TSPornFan]

I am all for helping people reach their goals. Transitioning is not easy. It takes time and money. Not many transgender women have the money to pay for surgeries. I view this subject differently than I do when a pornstar asks for cameras or clothes on Amazon. Helping a transgender woman transition is improving her quality of life. It can very life changing and rewarding.

Some of you know Sienna Grace raised over $7,000 for breast implants. She started her fund raiser campaign last year. https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/sienna-s-transgender-breast-enhancement-fundraiser

Our local amigo Johnny Blaze started a thread to gain support for her goal.

However, You can see on her Twitter page that she did not get the implants. It has been nearly a year since her fund raiser ended. She's always flashing her small tits. I also tweeted her and asked her if she was still planning on getting implants. She completely ignored the tweet.

We must remember we cannot force someone to spend donated money on what we want the person to spend it on. Indiegogo and similar sites like Kick Starter state that the person may not use the money for the advertised reasons.

I personally think it is immoral to lie to get donations. The right thing to do is to return the money if she changed her mind about implants. If this was a scam as it appears to be, then Sienna Grace may have fucked it up for any T-Girl who honestly wants help.

[Falling]

7G's??? Holy shit!!! She's got devoted fans that for damn sure...

[AshlynCreamher]

Maybe she went shoe shopping and got a little carried away with herself, I mean if I just cashed a $7,000 check "I would be so excited" I would only be thinking about shopping and not so much about going under a knife.

[RadiusDark]

LOL @ Falling's avatar.

[maxpower]

So...how much did you donate, Franklin?

[lordworm]

That's what white knights get.

[bluesoul]

i'd be really curious if the 6 guys who paid $60 a pop for her personal phone number still communicate weekly, or if the number was swiftly changed after the goal amount was reached and all communication was terminated

[Turlington]

Maybe she's put it off temporarily for health reasons (she does have that skin condition).

If not, sucks for those who donated.

[Tapatio]

Mercy, kid- grow up.

[Ts RedVeX]

7k in a year wow...that's almost a whole 600 dollars per month! How would you even be able to survive on that?

[bigpapi81]

She spent the money on weed dude, let it go.

[GroobySteven]

I agree with you - and that's what pisses me off about Indiegogo and other fundraisers - there is no recourse - pretty much anyone can say anything, get the money and then not follow through. Indiegogo still gets paid so why do they care?

I don't know enough about Sienna so I'm not going to comment on her - but there have been plenty of other examples and you are right, it does spoil it for other girls.

Have you contributed to my Indiegogo yet Franklin?
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/i-need-a-new-jaguar-f-type-to-help-with-my-diminished-ego

Read my blog post about it http://www.grooby.com/seanchai/

[nysprod]

Since I'm the analytical type, my thinking goes along the lines of what her motivation would be to collect money for implants and but not get them.

1. Medical/personal reasons

2. Second thoughts about going thru with the transitioning process

3. Has a client/admirer who likes her as she is and is paying for the privilege

[Chaos]

7k in a year wow...that's almost a whole 600 dollars per month! How would you even be able to survive on that?

Can be done,albeit barely...I do it with 740.

There could be reasons she put it off,unless she talks,we don't really know....but it does SOUND shady. It's not my money though,so I really can't say I worry much...

[TSPornFan]

Since I'm the analytical type, my thinking goes along the lines of what her motivation would be to collect money for implants and but not get them.

1. Medical/personal reasons

2. Second thoughts about going thru with the transitioning process

3. Has a client/admirer who likes her as she is and is paying for the privilege

I can respect the first reason. However, she should have returned the money because she did not follow through with her goal. It's immoral to keep the money when people gave it to her to help her transition. Too bad the donors don't have any legal protection for this matter.

[AshlynCreamher]

Too bad the donors don't have any legal protection for this matter.

youre an asshole, just saying :whistle:

[GroobySteven]

youre an asshole, just saying :whistle:

Why is he an asshole?
Read the rules and take a warning.

[Tapatio]

Did she state WHEN she was having the surgery?

Maybe it's scheduling, maybe her doctor wants her to have a little more natural tissue before proceeding, maybe a lot of variables.

Ashlyn, whatever you do, don't call Franklin "dude." That leads down a dark path.

And Franklin, though there may not be any recourse when voluntary donations aren't spent in the manner/time in which the donor may prefer, United States law DOES provide recourse for victims of slander and libel.

Just sayin'.

[RallyCola]

i wouldn't call it the biggest scam in TS porn history but if she does not get implants, it will rank up there.

as far as being fair to the donors, that doesn't really matter because it is not like you were buying her boobs where you were going to get a tat for name recognition. if you had it to give and did so willingly, just write it off (figuratively and literally) and move on.

now...as to steven and your fundraiser for a new car. the answer is simple. start a "stupid post" fund and collect $1 for every stupid post here...you will be a billionaire many times over and maybe even raise enough to buy the clippers.

[wearboots4me]

My only contact with Sienna Grace was watching her on webcam. I tipped her $10 and I asked her if she had high heels she could wear. She started screaming and cursing at me and blocked me. Instead of just saying "No, sorry I don't", the way other webcam girls say if they don't want to do something. It's not like I propositioned her to meet me or anything. She doesn't seem to appreciate her fans very much.

[TSPornFan]

My only contact with Sienna Grace was watching her on webcam. I tipped her $10 and I asked her if she had high heels she could wear. She started screaming and cursing at me and blocked me. Instead of just saying "No, sorry I don't", the way other webcam girls say if they don't want to do something. It's not like I propositioned her to meet me or anything. She doesn't seem to appreciate her fans very much.

She snaps at fans on twitter. She mention being sick in an older post this year and a fan gave her words of encouragement. She called him an asshole and bitch.


Did she state WHEN she was having the surgery?

Maybe it's scheduling, maybe her doctor wants her to have a little more natural tissue before proceeding, maybe a lot of variables.

Ashlyn, whatever you do, don't call Franklin "dude." That leads down a dark path.

And Franklin, though there may not be any recourse when voluntary donations aren't spent in the manner/time in which the donor may prefer, United States law DOES provide recourse for victims of slander and libel.

Just sayin'.

It's been nearly a year since the fund raiser ended.

I'm NOT slandering her. Did I say she scammed people? NO. I asked did she pull a scam. I only mention facts. Let's take a look.

1. Did she have a fund raiser for implants?
2. Did she raise over $7,000?
3. Did she get the implants?

The correct answer questions one and two is YES. The correct answer for question three is NO. The truth is NOT slander.

[wearboots4me]

She snaps at fans on twitter. She mention being sick in an older post this year and a fan gave her words of encouragement. She called him an asshole and bitch.

Yes, she is mean, very mean. There are a lot of nicer girls, many of them are members of this forum.

[lordworm]

The white knight army will continue to be strong, yet.

[LI SEAN08]

And another tranny whore laughs all the way to the bank....LOL

[GroobySteven]

And another tranny whore laughs all the way to the bank....LOL


I don't believe she escorts so let's watch the verbiage, eh?

[RallyCola]

Yes, she is mean, very mean. There are a lot of nicer girls, many of them are members of this forum.

maybe it is hormonally-driven rage. if she decided against implants and went the hormone route, they could be fucking with her.

if she is truly mean...why bother with her...i would not let a girl's looks trump her attitude. i'll take a good looking girl that has an awesome personality over a hot bitch. (FYI...i'm not saying sienna is hot...just speaking in general)

[Rockit_]

I wonder what Christian thinks of her. They worked together relatively recently so I'm sure he's got a decent idea of how she is in real life.

[youngblood61]

One should never give loot to somebody they really don't know.

[Torris]

I would have kicked in a Benjamin for her to NOT get implants. Delectable little body on her. Perfect for her frame as is/was

Alas

[spidernose]

She's a wacky pot-head. Doesn't surprise me.

[spidernose]

Yes, she is mean, very mean. There are a lot of nicer girls, many of them are members of this forum.

You are completely correct. She snaps at people on Chaturbate as well.
This is why I don't follow her anywhere anymore. She's a cutie but this
quality (plus the heavy pot use) makes her not so cute.

[Tapatio]

I'm NOT slandering her. Did I say she scammed people? NO. I asked did she pull a scam...The truth is NOT slander.


hmm... you understand what I mean by libel, right?

It's all about intent.

What is your intent ITT? (And I do mean other than to point us to something you don't like.)

[TSPornFan]

hmm... you understand what I mean by libel, right?

It's all about intent.

What is your intent ITT? (And I do mean other than to point us to something you don't like.)

It does not matter what my intent on the matter is.

Do you understand the definition of libel? No one in this thread has committed slander or libel.

[Tapatio]

Ooh, my turn!

I never stated that anyone in this thread committed slander or libel.

I did recently inquire as to your intent, however.

Without an answer, I lack interest.

Good day, sir.

[Johnny.Blaze]

To start off, I do feel a bit disappointed in some ways. Though I don't know why she hasnt gotten the breast implants. I do know that Sienna suffers from a skin condition. As she has mentioned publicly many times. Even showing pictures of the condition. Something she has been very worried about more and more since getting in the industry. Afraid that it would possibly end her career. Only she knows the real full reasons why breast implants havent been on her radar. But perhaps she used allot of the money on treatments for her skin condition. I have seen her look much better in the past months than when she had the Indigo page. So that could be one thing. If that is the case then by all means, I would understand.
I don't think by any means that Sienna is scam artist or anything. However I do wish she would come out an explain or at least give her fans that donated an update as to why it's been so long and thus not yet getting the surgery.
Guessing and finger pointing really doesn't do anyone much good....

[Johnny.Blaze]

You are completely correct. She snaps at people on Chaturbate as well.
This is why I don't follow her anywhere anymore. She's a cutie but this
quality (plus the heavy pot use) makes her not so cute.

Sienna as far as I know has quit drinking and smoking pot. Was clean from both for a few months actually the last I heard. I can't speak for "Today" but I do know she was clean last I knew...

[Johnny.Blaze]

Yes, she is mean, very mean. There are a lot of nicer girls, many of them are members of this forum.

Have you ever been a cam model on chatorbate? And dealt with the scum that goes on that site? These girls are trying to make some money, yet cheap bastards are always trying to be pigs, asking these girls to do crazy shit, and for free no less.
And as far as her bitching back at people giving her encouragement. Let me just say I know exactly what it entails. He skin condition gets very bad at times, and it gets harder and harder to deal with. Puts her in depression. And she knows there is no cure for it, only treatments. So when she is hearing time and time again that "Oh you'll get better" "Keep your chin up" bla bla. It gets frustrating. Plus I'm sure hormones don't help the cause. I'm not defending her. I just wish people knew the facts before saying she's mean. She's never been mean to me, or anyone I've seen or heard her talk to. So I don't know what to say to that...

[Nikka]

interesting thread

[Torris]

You are completely correct. She snaps at people on Chaturbate as well.
This is why I don't follow her anywhere anymore. She's a cutie but this
quality (plus the heavy pot use) makes her not so cute.
What's your beef with potheads? Cannabis goes together with porn watching like hand in glove. Nature's ambien

[Torris]

She snaps at fans on twitter. She mention being sick in an older post this year and a fan gave her words of encouragement. She called him an asshole and bitch.



It's been nearly a year since the fund raiser ended.

I'm NOT slandering her. Did I say she scammed people? NO. I asked did she pull a scam. I only mention facts. Let's take a look.

1. Did she have a fund raiser for implants?
2. Did she raise over $7,000?
3. Did she get the implants?

The correct answer questions one and two is YES. The correct answer for question three is NO. The truth is NOT slander.
So what's the worst sin Sienna committed?

*She ripped off a bunch of fanbois
*She didn't get the implants

[Jericho]

I donated nothing.
I'd still do her! :shrug

[AshlynCreamher]

Why is he an asshole?
Read the rules and take a warning.

It shouldn't be that difficult to understand.

If a group of strangers gave me $7,000 and was not bound by a contact to have surgery and soon enough I have some "ass-hole" demanding and calling me out, that I should return the money - I would call him an asshole, is there something wrong with this?

Do you feel my message was hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws? Something like this? (http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showpost.php?p=1497062&postcount=16)

[Jericho]

And why are you so surprised/outraged by this, anyway?

Bints have been doing this to us from the start of time:
"Oi, Uggg, you go out and hunt down one of them dangerous dinosaurs and i'll stay here and give the cave a bit of a brush. And if you behave yerself, when you get home, I'll show you a bit of rabbit fur".
And still falling for it.

From the start of fukkin time! :shrug

[Torris]

When the Nigerian prince bank account scheme fails to work, shake down a bunch of internet dupes for boobjob cash

You guys should have known better

[gaysian71]

Some of you know Sienna Grace raised over $7,000 for breast implants. She started her fund raiser campaign last year. https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/sienna-s-transgender-breast-enhancement-fundraiser

Our local amigo Johnny Blaze started a thread to gain support for her goal.

However, You can see on her Twitter page that she did not get the implants. It has been nearly a year since her fund raiser ended. She's always flashing her small tits. I also tweeted her and asked her if she was still planning on getting implants. She completely ignored the tweet.

We must remember we cannot force someone to spend donated money on what we want the person to spend it on. Indiegogo and similar sites like Kick Starter state that the person may not use the money for the advertised reasons.

I personally think it is immoral to lie to get donations. The right thing to do is to return the money if she changed her mind about implants. If this was a scam as it appears to be, then Sienna Grace may have fucked it up for any T-Girl who honestly wants help.

So fucking what.

Metallica - So What Video - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbImUcwOlUE)

[trish]

Hey guys, I'm collecting money to spread the Word of God and help the needy. Who's in?

[nysprod]

I would have hesitated in calling it a rip off however, I do think Sienna owes an explanation regarding what happened.

[Johnny.Blaze]

What about that site myfreeimplants.com ? I would think that would be more of a viable option, since the money goes directly to the surgeon and not in the pockets of the girl placing the add.

Also as for Sienna raising $7000. I think about 4 thousand came from one single individual. He bought like 4 personal meetings with her, which where $1000 a piece. (Spend a day with Sienna)
Now I'm very much wondering if he ever got those meetings lol

[GroobySteven]

It shouldn't be that difficult to understand.

If a group of strangers gave me $7,000 and was not bound by a contact to have surgery and soon enough I have some "ass-hole" demanding and calling me out, that I should return the money - I would call him an asshole, is there something wrong with this?

Do you feel my message was hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws? Something like this? (http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showpost.php?p=1497062&postcount=16)

She wasn't bound by contract but she asked people to contribute money for something specific, and they thought they were helping her achieve her goals. By not communicating with those people as to why she hasn't followed through, not only shows dis-regard for those who were trying to help but also harms other girls who may be trying to genuinely raise money for something that they need more desperately.
You're response shows the lack class and low morals you have, to respond like this and call him an asshole. So yes, I do think you're message broke our rules.

[Johnny.Blaze]

After coming to the realization that Sienna didn't go through with getting breast implants. Her donators be like........

[the_unnatural]

Hey guys, I'm collecting money to spread the Word of God and help the needy. Who's in?

I'll consider putting my two cents in.

[bluesoul]

It shouldn't be that difficult to understand.

If a group of strangers gave me $7,000 and was not bound by a contact to have surgery and soon enough I have some "ass-hole" demanding and calling me out, that I should return the money - I would call him an asshole, is there something wrong with this?

i think you forgot something. the group of strangers didn't just give you $7,000. you asked/requested for the $7,000 and explained it was for surgery.

i'd totally understand your point if you had made it clear in the initial request that you may or may not use the money for surgery. but i don't see the point of deception as to what the money would be used for

[bluesoul]

After coming to the realization that Sienna didn't go through with getting breast implants. Her donators be like........

ummm did you forget you were campaigning on her behalf (http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showpost.php?p=1383387&postcount=12)?

[Johnny.Blaze]

ummm did you forget you were campaigning on her behalf (http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showpost.php?p=1383387&postcount=12)?

Oh yes, I fully understand I was the first to campaign for her. Don't mean I can't feel sorry for the guys that didn't get their money's worth.
But also have a little chuckle at the same time. It's called joking. Don't take things so serious.......

[bluesoul]

Oh yes, I fully understand I was the first to campaign for her. Don't mean I can't feel sorry for the guys that didn't get their money's worth.
But also have a little chuckle at the same time. It's called joking. Don't take things so serious.......

i wasn't taking things serious. it's just because on that thread you're tone is very serious, and you even snap (http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showpost.php?p=1383366&postcount=3) at anyone who doesn't admit they would donate to the fundraiser (http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showpost.php?p=1383375&postcount=6), but now you seem to be laughing at them

[AshlynCreamher]

You're response shows the lack class and low morals you have, to respond like this and call him an asshole. So yes, I do think you're message broke our rules.

If my message broke your rules than please by all means delete Ashlyn Creamher from Hung Angel's. but before you do I justify and stand by what I said "he's an ass-hole" and I'll say it all fucking day long if I have too. What TsPornFan posted is immoral and fucked up (let's dig into a girls personal life) great idea!

Everyone else may kiss your ass but i will not. You don't get to explain morals to me, I am Ashlyn Motha Fucking Creamher and I'll say what ever the fuck I want!

[GroobySteven]

If my message broke your rules than please by all means delete Ashlyn Creamher from Hung Angel's. but before you do I justify and stand by what I said "he's an ass-hole" and I'll say it all fucking day long if I have too. What TsPornFan posted is immoral and fucked up (let's dig into a girls personal life) great idea!

Everyone else may kiss your ass but i will not. You don't get to explain morals to me, I am Ashlyn Motha Fucking Creamher and I'll say what ever the fuck I want!


a) What did TSPornFan post that was immoral? Her personal life was posted when she requested the money from fans.

b) I've just explained morals to you.

c) Who are you? First I heard of you was a week or so ago on here, so you may say anything you want but it's unlikely anyone is listening.

[AshlynCreamher]

Okay

[lordworm]

If my message broke your rules than please by all means delete Ashlyn Creamher from Hung Angel's. but before you do I justify and stand by what I said "he's an ass-hole" and I'll say it all fucking day long if I have too. What TsPornFan posted is immoral and fucked up (let's dig into a girls personal life) great idea!

Everyone else may kiss your ass but i will not. You don't get to explain morals to me, I am Ashlyn Motha Fucking Creamher and I'll say what ever the fuck I want!

Why are you defending Sienna Grace so much anyway? Is it because she's a girl? Or are you jumping on the Franklin hate bandwagon?

[giovanni_hotel]

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/8137052928/hB1A5F6DC/

[AshlynCreamher]

Why are you defending Sienna Grace so much anyway? Is it because she's a girl? Or are you jumping on the Franklin hate bandwagon?

I'm not defending anyone but myself. Grooby seems to think its okay for someone to call me a bitch but it isn't okay for me to call someone else an ass-hole.

Case and point (http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showpost.php?p=1497062&postcount=16)


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[bluesoul]

I'm not defending anyone but myself. Grooby seems to think its okay for someone to call me a bitch but it isn't okay for me to call someone else an ass-hole.

Case and point (http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showpost.php?p=1497062&postcount=16)


*

that's because this isn't a tit for tat game. just because someone called you a bitch doesn't mean you can suddenly call another person an ass-hole

[AshlynCreamher]

Well excuse the fuck out of me for getting pissed off when he called me out on it


Why is he an asshole?
Read the rules and take a warning.

He could had just let it go but he just couldn't resist saying something

[wearboots4me]

maybe it is hormonally-driven rage. if she decided against implants and went the hormone route, they could be fucking with her.

if she is truly mean...why bother with her...i would not let a girl's looks trump her attitude. i'll take a good looking girl that has an awesome personality over a hot bitch. (FYI...i'm not saying sienna is hot...just speaking in general)

I don't bother with her, Rally. Like I said, lots of other women out there.

[wearboots4me]

Have you ever been a cam model on chatorbate? And dealt with the scum that goes on that site? These girls are trying to make some money, yet cheap bastards are always trying to be pigs, asking these girls to do crazy shit, and for free no less.


Then why are the other cam girls always nice to me? She is the one exception. She could have just said "No". I hate rude people. I was not asking for anything free. If you read my post, you would have seen that I tipped her ten bucks.

[Michelle Firestone]

I'm not saying she ripped anyone off. Idk I don't follow her so idk. But I'd just like to say that if any well off gentlemen want to buy me some tits, I'd be on the operating table waiting for your payment to clear. She probably ruined it for everyone though...

[TSPornFan]

I'm not saying she ripped anyone off. Idk I don't follow her so idk. But I'd just like to say that if any well off gentlemen want to buy me some tits, I'd be on the operating table waiting for your payment to clear. She probably ruined it for everyone though...

You're very popular and I'm sure some well off guys would be willing to make you very happy. Don't forget to titty fuck. ;)

[Michelle Firestone]

Don't forget to titty fuck. ;)


That's like the first thing I'm doing.

[Torris]

What about that site myfreeimplants.com ? I would think that would be more of a viable option, since the money goes directly to the surgeon and not in the pockets of the girl placing the add.

Also as for Sienna raising $7000. I think about 4 thousand came from one single individual. He bought like 4 personal meetings with her, which where $1000 a piece. (Spend a day with Sienna)
Now I'm very much wondering if he ever got those meetings lol
Spend a day *with* Sienna or inside her. lol

[Torris]

After coming to the realization that Sienna didn't go through with getting breast implants. Her donators be like........
Here's how I celebrated when I heard she didn't go through with the boobjob

[MrBest]

7k in a year wow...that's almost a whole 600 dollars per month! How would you even be able to survive on that?what a spin

[wearboots4me]

Also as for Sienna raising $7000. I think about 4 thousand came from one single individual. He bought like 4 personal meetings with her, which where $1000 a piece. (Spend a day with Sienna)
Now I'm very much wondering if he ever got those meetings lol

That's why you only pay for services rendered. (webcam, escort, whatever) Don't just send money.

[stan.smith]

its not the biggest scam in TS porn but def a scam but honestly i don't blame them. Personally i blame the dumbasses who actually donate their money to such idiotic causes. fuck give a couple bucks to the red cross or something, at least by that way you know your money is being put to good use rather than some internet bimbo telling you that she will use that money to get fake boobs.

[gmb]

Contributed to the T Emory fund for same.
Hope the results are forthcoming; not that she needed it...

[runningdownthatdream]

Hey guys, I'm collecting money to spread the Word of God and help the needy. Who's in?

How much do you need? Good manure spreaders could run a few thousand...........

[Johnny.Blaze]

You know who I would like to hear from in this thread. Jamie French and Eva. Since both had similar fundraisers. I know Jamie had one around the same time as Sienna but through a different system. And from what I've seen, I don't think she has had breast surgery. And Eva I believe had one for a butt lift or something like that. And not sure how that panned out. So it would be interesting to see what they have to say here....

[christianxxx]

i want to know how much money Franklin personally contributed to her fund

[TSPornFan]

i want to know how much money Franklin personally contributed to her fund

$0

I was looking forward to see her get implants because I would have found her attractive with big tits. Oh well

What is your opinion on this matter? Not just for the TS industry, but the porn industry as a whole. I've never seen a pornstar do this before.

[bluesoul]

its not the biggest scam in TS porn but def a scam but honestly i don't blame them. Personally i blame the dumbasses who actually donate their money to such idiotic causes. fuck give a couple bucks to the red cross or something, at least by that way you know your money is being put to good use rather than some internet bimbo telling you that she will use that money to get fake boobs.

+1:iagree:

[EvaCassini]

I had my fundraisers and raised the total. My Brazilian Butt Lift surgery is scheduled for August 5th. I have used the donated money for what I said I would use it for, AND those who contributed, were graciously rewarded.

Jamie has a surgeon picked out. She has already made some payments to the surgeon from the fundraisers. She has a date for her surgery already set in stone. As soon as the rest of the money comes in from this current fundraiser, she will take that to her surgeon. Her current fundraiser is going to be over in 54 hours, so she already plans to use what she can from her website check each month to pay off the rest, which is about $1,300~. She has also rewarded her contributors graciously.

I do not know why Sienna has not gotten her boobjob yet, even though she met goal about a year ago. I don't really speak to her, though I do occasionally see her posts on Facebook. I can't really speculate why she lied about her fundraiser or why she didn't get the boobjob as she said she would. I do not know her really, and I have yet to meet her in person.

But what I can tell you is, yes, what she did, really does look bad, and really makes any other girl look bad, even though Jamie and myself are/were successful in achieving our goals.

What separates Jamie and myself from Sienna, is that we rewarded graciously for contributions AND we are using that money for what we intended it for, DIRECTLY after we hit goal.

So...my friends...in a couple of short months you will see that Jamie WILL have a great set of knockers, and I WILL have a tinier waist with a bigger plump bubble butt and wider hips.

I can't speak for any other persons other than Jamie and myself. And what I say on behalf of Jamie and myself, is that we do NOT scam anyone, we do NOT fuck around, and we do NOT bring disservice unto our fans, and ourselves. When we say we will do something, WE DO IT. ;)

[Mr. Yates]

You don't get to explain morals to me, I am Ashlyn Motha Fucking Creamher and I'll say what ever the fuck I want!


.....who? Those declarations of self identity tend to be bit more effective when your name means something to somebody that isn't yourself.


If Sienna did as OP is suggesting she may have done (and I'm certainly not jumping to that conclusion), then she's a bit of a scumbag. Hopefully there is a valid reason the surgery is taking so long and she makes the effort to communicate that to her generous fans in a timely manner.

However, if she did in fact take advantage of said fans, they get no sympathy from me. As someone said way earlier in the thread, that's what white knights get.

[GroobySteven]

I had my fundraisers and raised the total. My Brazilian Butt Lift surgery is scheduled for August 5th. I have used the donated money for what I said I would use it for, AND those who contributed, were graciously rewarded.

Jamie has a surgeon picked out. She has already made some payments to the surgeon from the fundraisers. She has a date for her surgery already set in stone. As soon as the rest of the money comes in from this current fundraiser, she will take that to her surgeon. Her current fundraiser is going to be over in 54 hours, so she already plans to use what she can from her website check each month to pay off the rest, which is about $1,300~. She has also rewarded her contributors graciously.

I do not know why Sienna has not gotten her boobjob yet, even though she met goal about a year ago. I don't really speak to her, though I do occasionally see her posts on Facebook. I can't really speculate why she lied about her fundraiser or why she didn't get the boobjob as she said she would. I do not know her really, and I have yet to meet her in person.

But what I can tell you is, yes, what she did, really does look bad, and really makes any other girl look bad, even though Jamie and myself are/were successful in achieving our goals.

What separates Jamie and myself from Sienna, is that we rewarded graciously for contributions AND we are using that money for what we intended it for, DIRECTLY after we hit goal.

So...my friends...in a couple of short months you will see that Jamie WILL have a great set of knockers, and I WILL have a tinier waist with a bigger plump bubble butt and wider hips.

I can't speak for any other persons other than Jamie and myself. And what I say on behalf of Jamie and myself, is that we do NOT scam anyone, we do NOT fuck around, and we do NOT bring disservice unto our fans, and ourselves. When we say we will do something, WE DO IT. ;)


Great post Miss Cassini.

[Johnny.Blaze]

I had my fundraisers and raised the total. My Brazilian Butt Lift surgery is scheduled for August 5th. I have used the donated money for what I said I would use it for, AND those who contributed, were graciously rewarded.

Jamie has a surgeon picked out. She has already made some payments to the surgeon from the fundraisers. She has a date for her surgery already set in stone. As soon as the rest of the money comes in from this current fundraiser, she will take that to her surgeon. Her current fundraiser is going to be over in 54 hours, so she already plans to use what she can from her website check each month to pay off the rest, which is about $1,300~. She has also rewarded her contributors graciously.

I do not know why Sienna has not gotten her boobjob yet, even though she met goal about a year ago. I don't really speak to her, though I do occasionally see her posts on Facebook. I can't really speculate why she lied about her fundraiser or why she didn't get the boobjob as she said she would. I do not know her really, and I have yet to meet her in person.

But what I can tell you is, yes, what she did, really does look bad, and really makes any other girl look bad, even though Jamie and myself are/were successful in achieving our goals.

What separates Jamie and myself from Sienna, is that we rewarded graciously for contributions AND we are using that money for what we intended it for, DIRECTLY after we hit goal.

So...my friends...in a couple of short months you will see that Jamie WILL have a great set of knockers, and I WILL have a tinier waist with a bigger plump bubble butt and wider hips.

I can't speak for any other persons other than Jamie and myself. And what I say on behalf of Jamie and myself, is that we do NOT scam anyone, we do NOT fuck around, and we do NOT bring disservice unto our fans, and ourselves. When we say we will do something, WE DO IT. ;)

I'm with Steven when I say fabulous post Eva !!!

[natina]

its a SEC violation and it just not big enough for them to take notice.

http://www.sec.gov/complaint/tipscomplaint.shtml

http://www.sec.gov/News/Article/Detail/Article/1356125787012


Common violations that may lead to SEC investigations include:

Misrepresentation or omission of important information about securities
Manipulating the market prices of securities
Stealing customers' funds or securities
Violating broker-dealers' responsibility to treat customers fairly
Insider trading (violating a trust relationship by trading on material, non-public information about a security)
Selling unregistered securities.
Whether the Commission decides to bring a case in federal court or within the SEC before an administrative law judge may depend upon various factors. Often, when the misconduct warrants it, the Commission will bring both proceedings.

Civil action: The Commission files a complaint with a U.S. District Court and asks the court for a sanction or remedy. Often the Commission asks for a court order, called an injunction, that prohibits any further acts or practices that violate the law or Commission rules. An injunction can also require audits, accounting for frauds, or special supervisory arrangements. In addition, the SEC can seek civil monetary penalties, or the return of illegal profits (called disgorgement). The court may also bar or suspend an individual from serving as a corporate officer or director. A person who violates the court's order may be found in contempt and be subject to additional fines or imprisonment.
Administrative action: The Commission can seek a variety of sanctions through the administrative proceeding process. Administrative proceedings differ from civil court actions in that they are heard by an administrative law judge (ALJ), who is independent of the Commission. The administrative law judge presides over a hearing and considers the evidence presented by the Division staff, as well as any evidence submitted by the subject of the proceeding. Following the hearing the ALJ issues an initial decision that includes findings of fact and legal conclusions. The initial decision also contains a recommended sanction. Both the Division staff and the defendant may appeal all or any portion of the initial decision to the Commission. The Commission may affirm the decision of the ALJ, reverse the decision, or remand it for additional hearings. Administrative sanctions include cease and desist orders, suspension or revocation of broker-dealer and investment advisor registrations, censures, bars from association with the securities industry, civil monetary penalties, and disgorgement

[TatianaSummer]

LOL
guys lie too when they say it's their first time.

Ok now seriously, I feel sorry for the guys that donated money for nothing, I guess you got rip off. So she was selling her phone number? fuc$ing great idea!
who wants to buy my number for $100? :dead-1:

[Karabella]

If this was a scam, it's bad for the people who contributed, and for girls (like me) who are also considering crowd funding. I developed symmastia from a botched breast augmentation 2 years ago, and the cost to fix it is a lot more than I can afford. If girls in this industry are scamming people, it spoils potential donator's desire to help out in the future.

:(


XOXO
-K

[EvaCassini]

I agree Karabella. I do not know what to call what Sienna did, as she has yet to divulge anything regarding her fundraiser and what she did with the money. Though without her honesty about the subject, all we really can call it or look at it as, is a scam, a ploy, a lie, and the like.

Honestly Karabella, I would still encourage you to start a fundraiser as long as you stand by what you say you are going to do with the campaign funds, and reward your contributors well. I too have a bit of symmastia that has developed over time, but it is a huge and serious complicative surgery that many surgeons are too weary to go near and it is also quite expensive. So I know the struggle. I would like to start a fundraiser for it, but I won't. At least not this year. I want to make sure I find the exact right surgeon for me who WILL fix it, without the least amount of risk.

As long as you are honest, and as long as you have a strong supportive base, you should do fine. It'll be difficult though, as I had to do two campaigns in a row to achieve the funds for my brazilian butt lift, because of what Sienna did. There were many who were very cautious to contribute because they thought it was a scam. It doesn't help matters that "who" placed this seed of deceit was Sienna, a tgirl, who is also in the industry ("Close ties" or something like it, even though her and I never met at all and had no other affiliations, other than the fact we are both tgirls and in porn.) But as long as you prove to them that you are for real, honest, and are gracious, then people with help. Best of luck to you sweetie! XOXOXO

[BJ4TS]

Only if the donors felt they were scammed because they expected something in return. All she did was ask.

[GroobySteven]

coming soon

[Rusty Eldora]

I had my fundraisers and raised the total. My Brazilian Butt Lift surgery is scheduled for August 5th. I have used the donated money for what I said I would use it for, AND those who contributed, were graciously rewarded.

I can't speak for any other persons other than Jamie and myself. And what I say on behalf of Jamie and myself, is that we do NOT scam anyone, we do NOT fuck around, and we do NOT bring disservice unto our fans, and ourselves. When we say we will do something, WE DO IT. ;)

I didn't donate much to yours but it was because you and I had interacted online and at the award events. I thought you deserved support so I donated. I generally don't unless I know something of them.

You are doing what you indicated you would do, so I will be one of the first to donate the next time for yours.

[RallyCola]

coming soon

man you missed the perfect opportunity to set this thread afire. while it likely goes against your principles as a producer, you should have photoshopped really large knockers on one of those pics as a joke and wait for forum responses.

[EvaCassini]

man you missed the perfect opportunity to set this thread afire. while it likely goes against your principles as a producer, you should have photoshopped really large knockers on one of those pics as a joke and wait for forum responses.

hahaha good one

[giovanni_hotel]

If I don't have a feel about a girl from interacting with her, even just in cyberspace on HA, I would never donate to crowd funding.

Jamie and Eva IMO are known quantities and aren't going to BS when it comes to seeking donations for whatever.

Sienna is still HOTTT even if she's a tad shady.

[RallyCola]

there is one way to find out what happened to her plans for boobs and the $$$ she raised....tickle torture!!!

[Turlington]

Just ask!

[RallyCola]

Just ask!

wasn't there a post a few pages back where someone asked her and she freaked out on twitter on them?

[Turlington]

wasn't there a post a few pages back where someone asked her and she freaked out on twitter on them?

Gang up on her.

[Johnny.Blaze]

I had a thought. Maybe Sienna is waiting for the hormones and stuff to kick in more before she sets off and get's the job done. I mean it does tend to look a bit odd sometimes when a girl get's implants on a strait up flat as a board chest. That could be one theory...

[TSPornFan]

wasn't there a post a few pages back where someone asked her and she freaked out on twitter on them?

I don't see anything related to it on her new Twitter. I'm not sure what happen to her old Twitter.

[GroobySteven]

man you missed the perfect opportunity to set this thread afire. while it likely goes against your principles as a producer, you should have photoshopped really large knockers on one of those pics as a joke and wait for forum responses.

Fuck - I'm usually on the ball on that shit also.

[Turlington]

I had a thought. Maybe Sienna is waiting for the hormones and stuff to kick in more before she sets off and get's the job done. I mean it does tend to look a bit odd sometimes when a girl get's implants on a strait up flat as a board chest. That could be one theory...

True...true...trying to build up some natural breast tissue. That doesn't happen overnight...

[Turlington]

I don't see anything related to it on her new Twitter. I'm not sure what happen to her old Twitter.

Her old Twitter is back...

[Jericho]

really large knockers.

As funny as that was, extra points for Knockers, haven't heard them called that in years! :dead-1:

[Bennylayne]

I'm a close friend of "Sienna" and she wants you guys to know that she looks at boards like this from time to time but does not really care to participate. It's not her thing. She is in no state to type a lengthy response to alligations right now but she sent me a snap shot from her cam to post for her so that you all will start talking about something else. This isn't my scene either, I'm just here to post this and get out. I have nothing to say other than to ask you to leave my friend alone.

[Turlington]

I'm a close friend of "Sienna" and she wants you guys to know that she looks at boards like this from time to time but does not really care to participate...I have nothing to say other than to ask you to leave my friend alone.
Sorry...there's a fat chance of THAT happening with these folks. Stick around to see what I mean.

Also, if I were to give a significant amount of money to a stranger, I would think I deserve an explanation about why said money wasn't being used for the intended purpose...or at least WHEN it would be used.

Just keeping it real.

[Turlington]

Think about it.

[AshlynCreamher]

I'm a close friend of "Sienna" and she wants you guys to know that she looks at boards like this from time to time but does not really care to participate. It's not her thing. She is in no state to type a lengthy response to alligations right now but she sent me a snap shot from her cam to post for her so that you all will start talking about something else. This isn't my scene either, I'm just here to post this and get out. I have nothing to say other than to ask you to leave my friend alone.

Problem with most of the numbskulls here (grooby included) they are a bunch of animals and they want there pound of flesh.

[Johnny.Blaze]

"BennyLayne is in my ears and in my eyes"

[GroobySteven]

Problem with most of the numbskulls here (grooby included) they are a bunch of animals and they want there pound of flesh.


Bye.

[Jericho]

Problem with most of the numbskulls here (grooby included) they are a bunch of animals and they want there pound of flesh.


Anyone know how much a boob actually weighs?
(I'm assuming it's Ounce to cup size but, I've never thought about it before, so....)

[Jericho]

"BennyLayne is in my ears and in my eyes"

Heavy cummer?

[gaysian71]

Problem with most of the numbskulls here (grooby included) they are a bunch of animals and they want there pound of flesh.

They kind of sound like this. :)


funny condom banned commercial - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TErJEdQ2Sk&feature=kp)

[Turlington]

Problem with most of the numbskulls here (grooby included) they are a bunch of animals and they want there pound of flesh.
..........

[AshlynCreamher]

No, I'm a hormonally imbalanced dozy cunt with little class...

[AshlynCreamher]

They kind of sound like this. :)


funny condom banned commercial - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TErJEdQ2Sk&feature=kp)


I was just like that when I was younger

[Johnny.Blaze]

Heavy cummer?

You gotta stop :dead:...My stomach is hurting so much from laughing so hard at your past two post :dead-1:

A+ marks for originality :cheers:

[BBaggins06]

I am outraged by all of this! Outraged I say! I'm going to sue her. Then while I'm there, I'm suing every panhandler I gave some spare change to who said they were going to use it to buy a cup of coffee and bought booze instead. Outrageous!!! Then I'm taking to court the guy who I gave a dollar to whose car broke down and needed bus fare to get back home!!!!

[LilyRox]

Wow unbelievable... Decided to look up this a little and I can confirm that from Feb. 20th to now (5 month period). Sienna Grace has not mentioned the keywords: surgery, implants, or surgeries in ANY of her tweets on twitter. I'm willing to bet it goes back even more than that, but didn't check.

She's also active on twitter and has nearly 17k followers.

I don't think this is questionable. It's pretty obvious that her intentions are not invested into trying to get breast implants right now and that this was a scam.

Sorry for the girls that actually want breast implants, but don't have the funds to get them. There is only so many guys out there willing to throw around money for girls to get surgery. After these guys who donate realize they been scammed, the rest of the trans community has to take the hit. Not only in the fact of making us look bad, but also the tgirls who actually want implants.

[Karabella]

https://twitter.com/TSSienna/status/482575193991557120

Looks like this can be put to rest..

[Turlington]

Beat me to it! I guess some of us owe her an apology. I'll apologize for accusing her of a scam. Not many others will though...

[EvaCassini]

Yes, it appears that she finally got them. Good for her.

As for apologizing, I can only apologize about saying what it appeared to look like.

Speaking as a tgirl who had fundraisers though, her secrecy and long wait did appear to make the rest of us look like scammers. She may have had good reasoning about the secrecy and long wait, which is fine, but maybe hinting about it to tgirls who are trying their damnedest to raise funds or even saying anything to her fans that a date is set, or it's a work in progress, or whatever would have put an end to the harsh speculation. And also give light that it's not a scam and that other girl's fundraisers are not a scam either.

[Donkey]

She certainly had a responsibility, after accepting donations, to keep those who donated reasonably informed. I'm happy to hear she followed through with her stated goal, but she should have handled her communication with her fans, especially those who donated, better.

Accepting donations comes with some strings attached, IMO.

As Eva said, her handling of the situation could have (maybe did) affect other tgirls who possibly needed assistance.

[LilyRox]

Well I apologize if she did get them, but when you reach your goal to get surgery through donations and fail to mention any news about it for nearly a year it comes off as extremely shady.

[TSPornFan]

I'm glad she got them. I do feel bad about making this thread.

I'm apologizing for asking if she pulled a scammed. I couldn't help but ask for seeing how things were for months.

[giovanni_hotel]

Well it was a fun thread from a drama aspect. Glad there was a happy ending.

Peace in the valley and all reputations are restored to their original settings.

[Tapatio]

Now it could be considered slander instead of just libel.

If anyone "did damage" to other girls who might go the donation route, it's OP and others in this thread.

Not Sienna.

[Tapatio]

I haven't actually seen her boobs, though.

Just some bandages.

[GroobySteven]

Now it could be considered slander instead of just libel.

If anyone "did damage" to other girls who might go the donation route, it's OP and others in this thread.

Not Sienna.

Don't be silly, it couldn't be consider either of them.

[Tapatio]

Don't be silly, it couldn't be consider either of them.

Surely you've met an over-reaching lawyer...

I don't think anyone could successfully argue it, though, so I am in full agreement.

Love to see the doctor's work, though. That girl is CUTE!

[Donkey]

I don't think anyone could successfully argue it, though, so I am in full agreement.

Don't be a jackass. You just stated it could be slander and/or libel in your last post.

[altstu2]

of course she just tweeted a pic of her bandaged chest just 10 minutes ago from after her breast surgery

[lordworm]

Here come the white knights, brace yourself.

[maaarc]

Don't be a jackass. You just stated it could be slander and/or libel in your last post.

DONKEY! I can believe you just used the J word!!! on behalf of mules everywhere I wish to express my outrage!:soapbox what's so wrong with being a jackass?

[LilyRox]

of course she just tweeted a pic of her bandaged chest just 10 minutes ago from after her breast surgery

Wow I got to get my eyes checked, I thought it was a white t-shirt until I read this.

[Tapatio]

Don't be a jackass. You just stated it could be slander and/or libel in your last post.

Oh, I'm a jackass sometimes, for sure. And possibly this time.

There's a difference between "could be slander and/or libel" and "could be considered..." though.

And while I personally consider it to be slander- which I have not stated explicitly until now- I do feel it would be hard to successfully prosecute.

Ça va?

[TSPornFan]

Now it could be considered slander instead of just libel.

If anyone "did damage" to other girls who might go the donation route, it's OP and others in this thread.

Not Sienna.

This is not slandered at all. I did NOT damage other girls in the donation route. I asked an honest question. I stated the facts. Everything in the opening post is FACT. Factual evidence is NOT slander. Slander is an outright lie. What did I do? I asked an honest question about the status of this situation.

Sienna could had hurt girls in the future and maybe even the entire TS porn industry if she was lying.

[Tapatio]

Funny.

[LilyRox]

Funny.

What?

[Tapatio]

"Slander is an act of communication that causes someone to be shamed, ridiculed, held in contempt, lowered in the estimation of the community, or to lose employment status or earnings or otherwise suffer a damaged reputation. Slander is a subcategory of defamation..."


Hmm. Yep, nothing slanderous here. My mistake.

[Tapatio]

What?

Unprofessional porn critics.

[Tapatio]

What?

Ha! Got him on block?

I promise I didn't mean you- there was another post in between ours.

Rox on, Ms. Lily.

[sherm13]

I'm glad she got them. I do feel bad about making this thread.

I'm apologizing for asking if she pulled a scammed. I couldn't help but ask for seeing how things were for months.

You should not feel bad about making the thread.

The question was appropriate and you did not falsely accuse her of anything.

[RallyCola]

while not exactly that important right now...has she said what size she has gone to? i don't follow anyone on twitter or FB so i don't know what info she has released.

[BBaggins06]

LOL This whole thread is a testament to the idea that it's never good to be on the same side of an argument as that dumbass Franklin.

[lordworm]

I dont see where this was an argument.

[LilyRox]

I dont see where this was an argument.

It wasn't. A thread just came up based on facts a couple weeks ago. She reached her goal for breast augmentation nearly a year ago and didn't get surgery until a couple days ago. The real matter was about how she didn't give any news about it, making some people think she used the money for other things.

[Tapatio]

LOL This whole thread is a testament to the idea that it's never good to be on the same side of an argument as that dumbass Franklin.

I like when he gives up in the face of reason and just starts downvoting stuff.

If we could find a transsexual with a penis like a big red thumbs down we might be able to address his current state of virginity.

[southern81]

i think they look great for her body

[GroobySteven]

A win for Sienna Grace!

[Donkey]

Great job by Sienna for going "just right" on the cup size.

Enough of the freak show cartoon tits.

[RallyCola]

crap...now here is another girl i have to lust over. while i did appreciate sienna before and thought she was a good hardcore actress...i can't wait to see her perform now.

[jjinny]

I'm not saying she ripped anyone off. Idk I don't follow her so idk. But I'd just like to say that if any well off gentlemen want to buy me some tits, I'd be on the operating table waiting for your payment to clear. She probably ruined it for everyone though...

Michelle, I would buy some tits, but you never asked . . .;)

[fla_funmeister2]

Holy fuck, she is even hotter!

[Odelay]

Latest twitter pic. I guess we'll never know the full answer of why she waited so long (just 1 yr, actually) before she chose to go under the knife, unless she chooses to clear up the mystery in one of the various social media sites she uses. Obviously there could be lots of reasons, but one that sticks out for me is she might have wanted to let more natural breast tissue form from hormone treatments before having the implants. The tgirls who already have sizable hormone breasts seem to look better after implant surgery. If I remember right, Sienna was relatively late to transition and hadn't been on 'mones very long when she started the fund drive.

But I have to say, from this pic alone, her new boobies look fantastic. Better than any I've seen so soon after surgery.

[EvaCassini]

I'll be bluntly honest...implants don't look like that after a week or two ...let alone 3-12 weeks.

I don't believe they are implants. Trust me, because I have implants and also seen plenty right after being under the knife. Also, she has not said "implants", she only said "boobies".

[saifan]

The photos with the tape still on looked pretty legit to me. Maybe she had them done awhile ago and is uploading the pics now.

[Torris]

Latest twitter pic. I guess we'll never know the full answer of why she waited so long (just 1 yr, actually) before she chose to go under the knife, unless she chooses to clear up the mystery in one of the various social media sites she uses. Obviously there could be lots of reasons, but one that sticks out for me is she might have wanted to let more natural breast tissue form from hormone treatments before having the implants. The tgirls who already have sizable hormone breasts seem to look better after implant surgery. If I remember right, Sienna was relatively late to transition and hadn't been on 'mones very long when she started the fund drive.

But I have to say, from this pic alone, her new boobies look fantastic. Better than any I've seen so soon after surgery.
As someone who (metaphorically) cried when Bianca Freire wrecked her perfect little cupcakes, as an anti boobjob zealot these look pretty good

[LilyRox]

I'll be bluntly honest...implants don't look like that after a week or two ...let alone 3-12 weeks.

I don't believe they are implants. Trust me, because I have implants and also seen plenty right after being under the knife. Also, she has not said "implants", she only said "boobies".

I was thinking the same thing, but I haven't had implants so I can't really say much other than what I've seen before from tons of people. I haven't seen any noticeable boob scarring on her unless there's a good way of covering that up like foundation. I also noticed just a week before her surgery that her boobs were abnormally large looking that seem to look like more than hormones imo:

[Karabella]

I'll be bluntly honest...implants don't look like that after a week or two ...let alone 3-12 weeks.

I don't believe they are implants. Trust me, because I have implants and also seen plenty right after being under the knife. Also, she has not said "implants", she only said "boobies".


I was thinking the same thing, but I haven't had implants so I can't really say much other than what I've seen before from tons of people. I haven't seen any noticeable boob scarring on her unless there's a good way of covering that up like foundation. I also noticed just a week before her surgery that her boobs were abnormally large looking that seem to look like more than hormones imo:


I just recently took care of a girl who came to Miami to have her breasts done. My friend's breasts looked exactly like this after just 1 week. Smaller implants tend to drop/fluff/heal fairly quickly.. especially if the patient already has a substantial amount of breast tissue prior to the operation.

XOXO
-K

[LilyRox]

I just recently took care of a girl who came to Miami to have her breasts done. My friend's breasts looked exactly like this after just 1 week. Smaller implants tend to drop/fluff/heal fairly quickly.. especially if the patient already has a substantial amount of breast tissue prior to the operation.

XOXO
-K

No, this picture was a week before she had the operation.

[Karabella]

Let's put this topic to rest already. It's pretty obvious she followed through with what she said she'd do with the funds she raised.

[Karabella]

I was thinking the same thing, but I haven't had implants so I can't really say much other than what I've seen before from tons of people. I haven't seen any noticeable boob scarring on her unless there's a good way of covering that up like foundation. I also noticed just a week before her surgery that her boobs were abnormally large looking that seem to look like more than hormones imo:

I wasn't referring to the photo you posted. To clarify, my friend's breasts look exactly how Sienna's look right now, just 1 week post surgery.

[Torris]

How do you improve on that. Perfection for her size and frame. Waaa. Someone call me a waaambulance:confused:

[TSPornFan]

I'll be bluntly honest...implants don't look like that after a week or two ...let alone 3-12 weeks.

I don't believe they are implants. Trust me, because I have implants and also seen plenty right after being under the knife. Also, she has not said "implants", she only said "boobies".

She said five days post-op in this photo. https://twitter.com/TSSienna/status/484341859687211011

[danthepoetman]

Someone on the street ask for some change to eat something and you know damn well it's for a drink or a stone. So what? You give if you feel generous and you don't if you feel it's baloney. One way or another, when you think about it, it's on you; no one is breaking your arm. We're human beings, porn stars also are. She got 6 000 bucks!!!?? Well, she's a real lovely girl and I'm glad for her. Now, just let her do what she wants with the dough. Not everything is a matter of morals. If it was, none of us could make a step without being condemned...

[danthepoetman]

Oooups! didn't see your post, Karabella!
So... great! No problem anymore, is there?

[LilyRox]

I'll be bluntly honest...implants don't look like that after a week or two ...let alone 3-12 weeks.

I don't believe they are implants. Trust me, because I have implants and also seen plenty right after being under the knife. Also, she has not said "implants", she only said "boobies".

What are the alternatives to breast implants?

[Torris]

What are the alternatives to breast implants?
CGI? I heard they are digitally removing condoms in gay porn?

[LilyRox]

CGI? I heard they are digitally removing condoms in gay porn?

Jeez that sounds like a pain in the ass (pun intended). lol

[EvaCassini]

What are the alternatives to breast implants?

Silicone injections. Which are cheap and very dangerous. Great for the impatient person who has to scrounge for change in hopes to buy groceries...or weed.

Then there's...

Fat injections. Which are much more expensive then actual breast "implants". BUT the downside is that you might barely attain 1-2 cups larger...MAYBE. Reason being is that 80% of the extracted fat typically dissolves and dies off. An expensive crap shoot.

All I am saying is that they don't look like implants. She might have gotten an alternative procedure. Nothing against her at all. Just an observation. An observation with experience.

[DeezNuts515]

Just an observation: Eva is looking fabulous, good lord.

[danthepoetman]

Just an observation: Eva is looking fabulous, good lord.
Agreed. A real angel.

[youngblood61]

Eva does look great.

[Smiley22]

Well she has the implants now!

[lkn2jo2]

Good greif........what a bunch of whiney pusstard bitches.....

[Lester316]

Just read the whole thread just because... I have some observations:

1. Sienna looks great now although I also though she looked great before; I'm glad crowd-funding worked for her and has for others, if I had the money to help my favorite stars out in the same way I would.

2. The post highlighting that Sienna hadn't had the surgery yet was by someone who hadn't even contributed - if you are going to cast aspersions perhaps have some motive (such as feeling like you paid and were ripped off) before doing so.

3. Some posters seem to forget that not everyone who is a fan or member of the industry even knows about this site. Suggesting that Sienna hadn't told anyone her timetable for when things would happen is a bit of a leap; I don't believe we heard from anyone who donated, perhaps she simply decided to bother informing those people who bothered to donate. Even if she didn't provide updates that's not really wrong unless she promised to before the donations were made and even if that was the case she would hardly be obligated to come here to update people.

4. Whilst I believe Sienna had no obligation to provide updates I do very much agree with the comments from other TS Girls that a general lack of communication is damaging for those hoping to crowd-fund their surgeries in the future. To me this is a fundamental flaw with crowd-funding systems as transparency should be paramount when people are handing over their hard earned money. I remember reading an article that was from a totally different industry but also highlights the dangers of crowd-funding without transparency (the article is gone but I found info on wikipedia):

Wrestling Retribution Project - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrestling_Retribution_Project)

In that case $100,000 raised from only 187 pledges, I hope those folks find a way to get their money back.

My general feeling is pretty much 'don't hate the player, hate the game', I don't know but I assume there are more transparent ways of crowd-funding than the one Sienna chose; hopefully those able and willing to donate for other future surgeries will suggest to those asking that they will gladly donate but only through a system/site that provides updates.

[Lester316]

One other thought:

The comical side of me wonders if she hadn't have had the surgery would we have seen anonymous donation maker VS Sienna Grace on Judge Judy - that would have been a case I'd tune in for...

[EvaCassini]

One other thought:

The comical side of me wonders if she hadn't have had the surgery would we have seen anonymous donation maker VS Sienna Grace on Judge Judy - that would have been a case I'd tune in for...

Hahaha Yeah I would watch it too. Though haven't watch a court show in years, having been forced to watch it from living with my grandparents for 14 years.

To answer one of your points...Yes, transparency is actually very very easy to have in crowdfunding. I just had an Indiegogo to raise money for lip injections. 99% of my contributors have been rewarded and still working on the rest, and also I keep all my fans, regardless if they donated or not, that I will be getting this done ASAP. Specifically February 11th.

Last year I had a fundraiser for my Brazilian Butt lift. Same thing, but I had a hell of a time trying to raise the money for this and I didn't even raise all the funds through crowdfunding. I had to get lucky and get a few paid shoots in LA last summer to be able to afford it. Just barely. But in Oct. I got it done and kept everyone in the "know".

Honestly, she did not have to keep anyone abreast of what was going on, but in not doing that, she caused many people to doubt and caused other girls some hardship in trying to work their ass off trying to crowdfund themselves. The biggest reason for this is that we run in the same circles. Specifically the "Tranny/Shemale Porno Circles".

Technically, anyone with a fundraiser, through whatever crowdfunding site, is not obligated to use said funds on what is crowdfunded for. There is not really any legal actions to be put towards the "raiser", because once the fundraiser ends, that site takes their cut and that is that. The obligation is with the "raiser" and his/her contributors/followers. So with that being said, technically, she came through with some sort of breast enhancement. Not sure why it took about a year in between reaching goal and getting boobs, but keeping the majority of fans in the dark is not a smart move, for her and other girls honestly working their as off to achieve the things they want/need for transition.

[Lester316]

Fantastic reply Eva, I'm always delighted by reading such succinct and thoughtful posts from the professional TS girls that take time to use these boards. I can't really think of any other topic discussion forum I've used where the stars take time to discuss issues in such a well-rounded manner as we get here.

I suspect in many ways that is the crux of the issue when it comes to Sienna's lack of communication; not only is it a disservice to those that hope to do the same as she has, but also she hasn't measured up to the high standards that those of us who come here expect of people from "Tranny/Shemale Porno Circles" as Eva puts it.

I rarely bother with Twitter and such but if that's Sienna's main forum for communicating with her fans and others perhaps someone will prompt her to come by and read the rest of the thread since her friend posted a while back. I'm sure she provides great entertainment for her fans but it seems they were also there for her in helping achieve a goal; a reminder then might be handy for her to consider: don't take fans for granted as one day they might not be there - look at the time other TS girls spend in responding to fans here and how we all appreciate that, well I appreciate it and while I can't speak for everyone else I hope they do to.

[EvaCassini]

Fantastic reply Eva, I'm always delighted by reading such succinct and thoughtful posts from the professional TS girls that take time to use these boards. I can't really think of any other topic discussion forum I've used where the stars take time to discuss issues in such a well-rounded manner as we get here.

I suspect in many ways that is the crux of the issue when it comes to Sienna's lack of communication; not only is it a disservice to those that hope to do the same as she has, but also she hasn't measured up to the high standards that those of us who come here expect of people from "Tranny/Shemale Porno Circles" as Eva puts it.

I rarely bother with Twitter and such but if that's Sienna's main forum for communicating with her fans and others perhaps someone will prompt her to come by and read the rest of the thread since her friend posted a while back. I'm sure she provides great entertainment for her fans but it seems they were also there for her in helping achieve a goal; a reminder then might be handy for her to consider: don't take fans for granted as one day they might not be there - look at the time other TS girls spend in responding to fans here and how we all appreciate that, well I appreciate it and while I can't speak for everyone else I hope they do to.

Thanks hun.

BTW...I fucking LOVE your avatar! Two of my favorite characters!

[Lester316]

My pleasure.

And thank you, I'd say my inner Geek is an utter Deadpool fan but it's more like my outer :geek: I can't get enough of the old 'Merc with the Mouth', I even played the video game.. I must admit that my er My Little Pony knowledge is sketchy at best though but pink and cute is always a winner in my book.

(You probably have already but I recommend the collected Deadpool: Merc with a Mouth #1-13 - 'Headtrip'. It's awesome and has zombies which much like pink ponies always make the story more fun.)

[Females&Shemales]

To be fair, Sienna did have an amazing scene with Mandy Muse! It was bareback too! :dancing: