guys, stop pissing the girls off

[my my my!]

Guys, (and some girls, you know who you are)

stop being so confrontational about every single little stupid thing with the girls.

they grace this forum with some of their time from their real life schedules, to interact or promote things to us, their admirers.

and what is the reaction most of you(us) give them?

just really aggressive and condescending attitude to many things they post. Do you guys really want all their posts to just be , "here, buy my stuff, bye?"

sorry guys, but sometimes it seems like the biggest drama queens are actually the guys. grow a pair and act like MEN. if you can't do that and be a gentleman with the ladies here, why even post?

it's sickening.

[Prospero]

:iagree::iagree::iagree::iagree:
Guys, (and some girls, you know who you are)

stop being so confrontational about every single little stupid thing with the girls.

they grace this forum with some of their time from their real life schedules, to interact or promote things to us, their admirers.

and what is the reaction most of you(us) give them?

just really aggressive and condescending attitude to many things they post. Do you guys really want all their posts to just be , "here, buy my stuff, bye?"

sorry guys, but sometimes it seems like the biggest drama queens are actually the guys. grow a pair and act like MEN. if you can't do that and be a gentleman with the ladies here, why even post?

it's sickening.

[Poubrian]

Not speaking of anyone here, but previous boards, unrelated. Some girls ask for and invite confrontation, just as much so as do guys. That would be a known fact. There are girls out there that obviously photo-shop photo's for their ads on whatever sites they so chose, disguising their real looks, understandably to protect their identity, but still not an excuse in my book. If I'm paying them for their time, I'd rather not waste either of our time if they aren't going to be honest about themselves from the onset. There are also a growing number of girls on both sides of the fences that are turning to racial profiling when it comes to preferences of which race they prefer to see. Then you have the ridiculous, pathetic, time wasting phone tag, and whatever other games that go along with it. Now with that said, how are guys expected to take providers like this serious? How do they expect the guys to commit, consumate and follow-up with the date?

I know there are just as many guys out there that get off on calling, for whatever there reason may be, make it sound like their serious, but in reality they really aren't. They ask and invite for a confrontational situation, am sure only to come on here and release their frustrations.

Face it, there are guys that are not only addicted to this hobby and posting on this board that they get outright pathetic.

[bluesoul]

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/ab/abb5225a0cbea0c1bc370168574dea4f9be8a30b9b3d9ee34e 58cf35a3583cdc.jpg

[dderek123]

I'll post whatever I want. As long as i'm not breaking the rules go fuck yourself.

[BatMasterson]

I don't understand the angst over the ladies being selective on who they see and who they won't. A preference in the sexual realm is what it is and no one should ever have sex with someone they are not attracted to just to avoid being called a bigot by some whiny ass. I'm 50 and not a Herculean physical specimen. There are plenty of ladies who state they don't date older guys. I don't bitch about that, because it's their preference. I move on down the line to those who are fine with older guys. I don't comment much on this site but this particular topic of so called bigotry among certain girls I find both annoying and amusing. If a girl doesn't want your type, suck it up and move on.

[Rusty Eldora]

When I joined HA in Oct 12, I found I liked here a lot more than Hung Devils and other places. A lot of this was because there were a lot of tgirls regularly posting and a wide range of discussions. I look thru my friends list on here and I see so many that either post rarely now or just flat stopped.

There are a lot of high count posters >5000 that were regulars then that have wondered off. Does that improve the board.

Of the Tgirls that were at the TEA party this year, how many are regulars here. Too few, why is that.

I am on a number of Hobby (Escort) Review boards where the place is far more civil than here. Sure we discuss critically in reviews and get pretty wild. However, possibly because we want to actually see the women we act civil. The parties are really good, not quite those around the awards, but in the same league. Its not a matter of White Knights, but a matter of being a board that new folks go, "this is cool, I'll spend time here"

Yes it would be nice if this board treated all the tgirls as people rather than fantasy objects to beat off to. There would be a lot more of them here if it was.

[Ben in LA]

If someone doesn't feel welcomed, they'll leave.

[robertlouis]

You can forgive ignorance, up to a point. But the sheer nastiness of some of the posts putting girls down is disgusting.

It's one of the main reasons I don't visit as much as I used to.

[bluesoul]

It's one of the main reasons I don't visit as much as I used to.

http://girlsjustwannahaveguns.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/dublinstears_large.jpg

[fred41]

To the OP...Threads like this don't pop up out of the blue...could you please tell me what thread ultimately caused you to post this?...because not all criticism is unfair.

[TSPornFan]

I think some comments are uncalled for such as complaining about girls getting breast, SRS, surgery, etc. Some people are too harsh to new T-Girls who just started their transitions. Most members here have said somethings that we now regret and we have realized our mistakes.

However, Fred41 is right. Some criticism is fair. If you think someone is a bad performer, then by all means say it!

[broncofan]

To the OP...Threads like this don't pop up out of the blue...could you please tell me what thread ultimately caused you to post this?...because not all criticism is unfair.
It might be related to a thread where a girl on this site said she was accepted to Stanford's MBA program. Someone then responded that this was virtually impossible given the little information she had provided about her undergraduate experience and how selective Stanford is. My view is that the rebuttal was honest even if it was upsetting to her. But I'm not sure if this is what the op is referring to.

[NYBURBS]

It might be related to a thread where a girl on this site said she was accepted to Stanford's MBA program. Someone then responded that this was virtually impossible given the little information she had provided about her undergraduate experience and how selective Stanford is. My view is that the rebuttal was honest even if it was upsetting to her. But I'm not sure if this is what the op is referring to.

Yea, same thread popped into my head when I saw this.

[lifeisfiction]

When you say less women are contributing to the forum. In what way do you mean contributing? I mean, just putting it out there a lot of women visiting today are mainly here for promotion purposes. Very few will talk about other things.

In the past a lot more women participated, because there were topics to engage in. They weren't porn topics. When topics focus on porn, less women contribute to the discussion. This a porn forum so yes there is going to be a lot of discussion on porn most of it around promoting. I don't really call that a engaging interaction. It is good when they do it, but I mean do people talk about their occupation 24/7. Not really. If you want more interaction try posting a more inventive topic then who has the biggest breast.

At the end of the day this is a porn forum, so we all expect a lot discussions on porn and that's ok, but people sometimes want something besides porn. For example start a discussion on something you would talk about in your regular day and just maybe a few women on this board may join in.

And as a final note, when in the world did we sign an agreement that we all have to agree on everything. Everyone is titled to disagree and conformity and uniformity are the decay of society. Doesn't mean we must be rude in our dealings, but please accept that we all and wonderful don't agree on everything. Yes some of us are more sensitive than others, but bear in mind what happens on this forum has not in the past or in the future determine the fate of the world. (With the new movie opening up I really want to throw in some Tom Cruise joke).

[youngblood61]

I think sometimes people forget, the girls are why we are here.

[broncofan]

I think sometimes people forget, the girls are why we are here.
Some of the posts in the thread in question may have been mean, but at least one person was simply responding to a whopper of a lie by pointing out that it was a whopper of a lie. That by itself was enough to upset the OP and her defenders. It didn't exactly come across as tender, but he was being candid. On objective matters, I don't think it's fair to expect someone not to talk.

[my my my!]

To the OP...Threads like this don't pop up out of the blue...could you please tell me what thread ultimately caused you to post this?...because not all criticism is unfair.

It's been several, but the main ones were Evon's thread, and Krissy's thread.

some guys just don't know when to STFU and have to be "besters"

all the thumbs up are from people that agree with what I said, and all the thumbs down are from people that simply cannot be nice and just let things be.

[ed_jaxon]

I think some good points have been brought up here and everyone has their right to their point of view.

The guys who I have actually met on here (or whom I think I will eventually have a drink with) generally have opinions that are not so strident and attacking. Those who feel it is their sworn duty to point out every place where the girls are flawed are like the snot nosed kid in grammar school who tattled to the teacher. If you ain't got shit nice to say ever keep that shit to ya self. But then that's is why they are here to point out the girls shortcomings behind the safety of their computer screen.

Now don't misconstrue my meaning here....the occasional comment is cool and even needed. But when you are know as the ass who is always bitching at all the babes, you got issues.

[dderek123]

I find myself posting this often here.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b48_1305790944

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-LHDxqigCco4/TpeLXt1w0GI/AAAAAAAADf8/4_aWa4D_QEE/s1600/fry.jpg

The internet is not all pics of cuddly cats. There are some jerks who should just be ignored. Complaining about them will not make them go away. It'd probably draw more trolls to this forum.

The rules of the forum are really clear just follow them.

[Odelay]

Ed, what some of these guys need is to come out from behind their keyboards and have a rockin' good time at one of your parties. It's a little challenging to sass back to a tgirl when she's holding a whip or paddle, unless, of course, you're into that kind of thing.:banana:

[RallyCola]

it is clear to me that too many of you take yourselves way too seriously. honesty works both ways...this board can't be all praise and rainbows. get over yourselves.

[ed_jaxon]

Arguing on the internet is the most worthless waste of time one can engage in.

Odelay we do have fun don't we?

[RallyCola]

Arguing on the internet is the most worthless waste of time one can engage in.

Odelay we do have fun don't we?

arguing on the ole interwebz is no different than arguing in real life...everyone is usually so entrenched in their POV, there really is little chance to "win" or change people's minds. you end up pandering to your cohort and spinning your wheels with your dissenters that it is a waste of time no matter if the topic is rock vs paper or who has the best boobs.

[ed_jaxon]

I disagree Rally. A good discussion in person generally is civil with the validity of arguments considered. You might not change a mind but often there can be found some common ground.

A lot of the bullshit typed here is shit that would never be said to someone to their face. Guys who say that they would still say some of the vitriol spewed here to a babe's face seem to lack basic social skills.

[Prospero]

Another example of what the OP was getting at is the thread "fuck em or date em.... with one character - a newish member - there saying he just thought of transsexuals as sex objects and one benefit was they can't get pregnant. A loathsome attitude IMHO.

[GroobySteven]

The thing is, there are probably 3-4 individuals on this forum whose egos force them to comment on every post, to make shitty little remarks and to somehow enhance their days by just being all round twats. They believe they're the stars of the show and that someone what they say is relevant. Although they occasionally (and it's getting rarer by the week) add a bit worth to the conversation, normally they're just getting more trite and boring - yet think they're somehow keeping the integrity of this forum by "keeping it real". They're not.
Hungdevils suffers from a similar fate but has less people arguing against them, so it's fine, it's just a bunch of guys shooting dull shit to each other.

I've cleared out this forum more than once before and may do it again, if people can't stop being complete and utter arse holes. I find Evon's claim a bit of a stretch but so what? ... call her out on it, and then move on instead of making it your life's ambition to piss people off, alienate people and try to make yourself a personality on the site - you're not, you're mostly just not relevant.

If you wake up and can't get on here ... you now know why.

[Turlington]

Once in awhile I do long for the days when tsntx, Hara, Khloe Hart, and some of the other girls made their presence here. Hell I miss Libby, Joanna, and Kelly's posts...back when they posted more frequently.

[GroobySteven]

Another example of what the OP was getting at is the thread "fuck em or date em.... with one character - a newish member - there saying he just thought of transsexuals as sex objects and one benefit was they can't get pregnant. A loathsome attitude IMHO.

Yeah maybe loathsome but that was his point of view. Argue against it, teach him otherwise but he's at least got the right to be able to put that point of view.

[Prospero]

Education, education, education... maybe it works

[Turlington]

A lot of the bullshit typed here is shit that would never be said to someone to their face. Guys who say that they would still say some of the vitriol spewed here to a babe's face seem to lack basic social skills.
Selling wolf tickets. Churrch!

[Prospero]

I first joined this forum a few years ago - primarily to post reviews after some years of running a reviews group on Yahoo and participating in a couple of others. There are a few members here from those old groups. Since then I've enjoyed posting on a variety of things - much intended to help other members.

There are some who might argue that visiting escorts for sex is, in some ways, essentially disrespectful. I'd disagree. The way you treat the girls is the key here. But that is not the point of this post.

It is about respecting the girls in this forum. Something which, from the very earliest days, I have tried to do.

And as i have got to know more and more transgendered women my respect for them has deepened. I now have several friends away from the escorting world (some former escorts, some not and a couple who re still working girls) and have learned at first hand of the difficulties and often anguish they've had to face in their lives. Many of those who are escorts do this simply to fund their transition and then vanish from the world they used to inhabit. And some are perfectly happy in their oles in porn or escorting.

But I believe that they are all - almost without exception - worthy of respect and decent treatment.

I agree with the OP that many girls gave been driven from this site by the aggression and disrespect shown by some members. This is a shame. Some guys will take the attitude that "if you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen." And i know that - first and foremost - this forum is about pornography. The people that run it also run many excellent sites offering that to subscribers. And they're generous to post a huge volume of material here free of charge for fans.

But those fans should also consider that behind the images of sexy girls are real people with feelings - and often complicated lives.

I'll probably get a few thumbs down for these remarks for those who - in my view - essentially hate women of all sorts. There is a lot of that in the world. You've only to look at some of the terrible incidents in recent weeks in Africa, Pakistan or India. Let's not allow hate to become the predominant feelings the girls get from the men here. Please.

if you can't say something nice why say anything at all?

[Rabbiteyes]

Yeah maybe loathsome but that was his point of view. Argue against it, teach him otherwise but he's at least got the right to be able to put that point of view.

It isn't even worth it. There are countless others out there just like him.

It worries me that he might ever have contact with a trans in real life (for example, if one applies for a job). That is where the discrimination outside of porn comes from...when guys feel trans women are good for nothing but sex (if that....actually, probably safer if they don't have a thing for trans people, then they won't try to molest them).

Teach him though? How? People like him have never met a transperson (except maybe an escort....MAYBE). Anything you say would be fighting against years of seeing nothing but porn and trans women on their knees fulfilling his mental fantasies.

The silver lining is that guys like him are easy to spot (when they finally do try hooking up with trans women in real life). I have so many unread messages from guys like him... he is just another one of the "hey, want to hook up" types (something they don't even try to hide haha).

[dderek123]

it is clear to me that too many of you take yourselves way too seriously. honesty works both ways...this board can't be all praise and rainbows. get over yourselves.

:iagree:

Oh but they're objectifying women on a pornography forum! Oh the humanity!

/s

[Prospero]

dderek... i thought better of you than that remark.

[nysprod]

Those who feel it is their sworn duty to point out every place where the girls are flawed are like the snot nosed kid in grammar school who tattled to the teacher. If you ain't got shit nice to say ever keep that shit to ya self. But then that's is why they are here to point out the girls shortcomings behind the safety of their computer screen...when you are know as the ass who is always bitching at all the babes, you got issues.

Ed, I agree with what you said 1000%...but I also remember a couple of months ago when Kelly took it upon herself to let Krissy know exactly how she felt about her status, which basically chased Krissy away until recently.


I agree with the OP that many girls gave been driven from this site by the aggression and disrespect shown by some members. This is a shame. Some guys will take the attitude that "if you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen." And i know that - first and foremost - this forum is about pornography. The people that run it also run many excellent sites offering that to subscribers. And they're generous to post a huge volume of material here free of charge for fans.

But those fans should also consider that behind the images of sexy girls are real people with feelings - and often complicated lives.

I'll probably get a few thumbs down for these remarks for those who - in my view - essentially hate women of all sorts. There is a lot of that in the world. You've only to look at some of the terrible incidents in recent weeks in Africa, Pakistan or India. Let's not allow hate to become the predominant feelings the girls get from the men here. Please.

if you can't say something nice why say anything at all?

Katherine, who has a very sweet personality as you're well aware of, was treated quite harshly...I will add though that in addition to some people hating women of all sorts, my suspicion is that they hate themselves for being attracted to trans woman in the first place.

[dderek123]

dderek... i thought better of you than that remark.

https://i.imgur.com/JmeFFBE.gif

[Prospero]

Who treated Katherine harshly? She had a couple of crap reviews early on - but mostly good ones after that. And yes, I do know her very well indeed.

[fred41]

I think the worst critics - the trolls and the misogynists - usually wind up getting banned or at least shouted down by a majority of the usual posters...and rightfully so.
I don't see so much of that in the threads cited as examples here.
There are definitely some instigators though that like to fan the flames...

I think most disagreements can be debated in a post or two ...it isn't necessary to go on for pages - once a position is stated...it usually stands for itself...it doesn't need to be beaten into the ground...unfortunately sometimes some of the girls are the offenders...often they won't let a thread die either.
I could be wrong...I often am, but I think most girls eventually leave out of boredom...or simply go on with their lives.

[Jericho]

It's been several, but the main ones were Evon's thread, and Krissy's thread.

some guys just don't know when to STFU and have to be "besters"

all the thumbs up are from people that agree with what I said, and all the thumbs down are from people that simply cannot be nice and just let things be.


That's a damn fine pair of rose coloured specs you have there. :shrug

[my my my!]

The thing is, there are probably 3-4 individuals on this forum whose egos force them to comment on every post, to make shitty little remarks and to somehow enhance their days by just being all round twats. .
this is exactly the reason I started the original post. If the guys want to argue amongst themselves, that's fine. but when they start scaring and driving the ladies away and it turns into a NOTHING BUT PORN forum, then it is sad.




I find Evon's claim a bit of a stretch but so what? ... call her out on it, and then move on instead of making it your life's ambition to piss people off, alienate people and try to make yourself a personality on the site - you're not, you're mostly just not relevant.

If you wake up and can't get on here ... you now know why.

exactly about Evon's thread. they could've let it go and just kept going and going like they had something to prove to boost their ego and make someone feel like they're not welcome.

[GroobyKrissy]

Edited by me to shorten for relevancy:


Ed, I agree with what you said 1000%...but I also remember a couple of months ago when Kelly took it upon herself to let Krissy know exactly how she felt about her status, which basically chased Krissy away until recently.

I just wanted to respond to this and add a couple [which later turned into a fucking few... as always] of things. I want it to be 100% clear that I didn't feel "chased" away. Kelly has done a tremendous amount of good for the [Trans] community, and I try to look at the totality of one's existence, as far as is possible, before I will engage with them on a debate basis. That being said, what she did in writing and publishing her missive, which was obviously and provably factually incorrect, as well as being obviously malicious in intent, was so out of line that I thought and expected at least one other person to say something... but not one word. THAT is more the contributing factor as to why I left. I think I finally just realized that this is no more a community than the people I see at the local grocery store everyday. We say "hi", exchange pleasantries, pretend to listen and care, but then go our separate ways forgetting in the next breath what was said. In other words, we really don't care.

Let's be honest here... this is Mean Girls, where the most vocal and pretty will win every. single. time. And that's fine. I could care less about that and I'm not crying over spilled milk. I've moved on and am creating my own versions of what I envision which has taken up most of my time recently. But that is also simply not an environment that most "unpopular" girls will find themselves comfortable being in.

The other major contributing factor to me "leaving", which I will air quote since I have sporadically returned recently as already noted, is simply that you can't truly, honestly debate with anyone. I LOVE serious, unadulterated, uncensored, good debate and will engage just about anyone on any topic that I have feelings about. Anyone who knows me personally knows that I will be fierce about it, but fair, and in the "real" world, I have a close circle of friends that get together regularly to debate the topics of the day. I've never lost one friend due to debating them no matter how heated the conversations have gotten, and believe me, we've raised some eyebrows in restaurants before!

We've come to a point though, that on boards like this, eyes glaze over at typing. I'd bet that probably 10% of those reading this have actually READ AND UNDERSTOOD what has been written thus far. We can't... we don't... we won't read anything anymore that isn't 140 characters or less. Anything longer than that we just automatically assume is a "rant". So I often get accused here of "ranting"... which is ridiculous. "Rants" have no point.

My point of view is, take as much space and time as you need to CLEARLY state your opinion and I'll do the same. I will read what you've written, digest it, ANSWER any questions you put out, and post my own, along with any new comments. Far too often here, I end up just answering questions with none of mine being answered at all. That is not a debate. That is a Q&A. So, if you can't debate and discuss things with people here, then what is the point of being here (assuming you're not just here for marketing or consumption - both of which I don't find anything wrong with, but I've tried not to make my prime motive for visiting)? I ended up spending portions of my day here answering questions and defending myself against people who cannot put together a cohesive, logical argument for their points, but just relentlessly attack. That was a waste of time that I decided to put elsewhere. So those two things are the main contributing factors of my leaving.

Personally, I could care less what people say. The world is completely full of idiots and any popular forum will have their fair share of them. You can't weed them all out and trying to do so would get incredibly tedious. I've always been strong on free speech and I have never, and will never, call for anyone here to be censored, banned, or otherwise disciplined for something they've said. That being said, this is a privately owned forum and rules are written for reasons so I find the "down with the man!" type of threads and comments amusing as well.

So, my last points on this topic is one that has basically already been made. People need to grow up here. If you live your life in such a bubble that you get really, actually offended by some of the stuff that people say here... then you are, in fact, developmentally, a child. Stop taking up offenses that aren't your own. Do we even know what "offended" really means any more? I don't think we do.

Additionally, I hate the hypocrisy. My recent engagement with a moderator here... CLEAR example. Anyone with half a brain would say his question to me was, on its face, racist and the insensitivity of that remark, completely undermined his own point about the insensitivity of my thread. Let me be clear, it is not my opinion that being racist was his intent, but it was worth pointing out to make my point: that the very insensitivity of framing an argument with that type of question in it, severely undermined his own. In other words, my point was almost everything someone says at some point will / can be taken as insensitive. But anyways, when called out on that hypocrisy, it is simply deny, obfuscate, and attack again. For this, he is applauded. Go figure.

I try to be consistent and if you read through all my arguments here, you will find that to be so, at least I hope you will. I argue for HUMANITY... not this segment, not this race, not this person or that person... humanity. That is my underlying argument in most of the debates that I've engaged in here and you will find that is consistently so.

Learn to admit you've made a mistake. Learn to apologize. Learn to move on. Learn to accept an apology. These are all things that are RARELY done on this board. In most of the engagements here, I've said things that I've regretted. Look through my past threads and note: I've apologized for them. Now read through them again and find one (JUST ONE) instance where anyone has apologized for something they've said about / to me? I'll save you the trouble. ZERO TIMES [EDIT: Actually, I do remember one time so this edit].

When I was young, my parents were the type to sit all us siblings down and keep us in a room until we all apologized and meant it. Once that was done, it was the rule of the household that the topic is not brought up again. Again, let us go back to my recent "Dougnuts" thread. I fucked up and shouldn't have started the thread (or at least that was the prevailing theme). I APOLOGIZED FOR THAT VERY THING when I posted the "punchline". And yet, it turns into this whole big thing. Fucking hell... what more can I do? I even gave an OK for it to be completely deleted. You should not attack someone on a point that has been conceded or apologized over. And, you should learn to apologize when you've done something that is over the line, even if you may not think that's quite the case (as in the doughnuts thread... personally, I would have found it funny - but I can understand also that humor is different for different people). I'm not saying you should bow down to every time someone says they are offended, but I think we are still mostly human enough to know when we've crossed a line personally. That is just my point of view.

Leave friends. I try to do this and with my debate friends, and in fact, it is a must for the night to end. It isn't always the case in a forum like this, but you know, to this day, even those who have actually, really irritated me here asked for my help in something as innocuous as helping promote them, I'd like to think that I would do it. For some, it would be difficult but I'd like to think I would. Actually, nah... fuck em' (that's a joke for those who don't know my sense of humor).

OK. In fucking, final conclusion. Personally, I think y'all are kind of over thinking this. Most girls probably don't post here because they are busy doing other things... as in, making paper. That is probably the underlying truth to the matter. Of course, it never hurts to have a more civil place to come together and discuss things but in reality, who has the time these days?

So, less than 1% have made it this far. Congratulations to you if you have. Sometimes it is good to be the 1% and not the 99%... no matter what anyone says. Anyways, due to recent things, I'm taking a long break again but will poke my head in every now and then to see what's going on. I wish everyone the best and a great rest of 2014 - it is HALF OVER ALREADY... FUUUCKKKK!

[dderek123]

That's a damn fine pair of rose coloured specs you have there. :shrug

I guess they're on sale at the ivory tower gift shop.

[Prospero]

Krissy wrote: "Additionally, I hate the hypocrisy. My recent engagement with a moderator here... CLEAR example. Anyone with half a brain would say his question to me was, on its face, racist and the insensitivity of that remark, completely undermined his own point about the insensitivity of my thread. Let me be clear, it is not my opinion that being racist was his intent, but it was worth pointing out to make my point: that the very insensitivity of framing an argument with that type of question in it, severely undermined his own. In other words, my point was almost everything someone says at some point will / can be taken as insensitive. But anyways, when called out on that hypocrisy, it is simply deny, obfuscate, and attack again. For this, he is applauded. Go figure."

This dear krissy is a total distortion of what went on and I deeply resent your suggestion that I was - in any way - racist. You are posting a totally distorted and poisonous version of our exchange.

I did not IN ANY WAY accuse you of insensitivity. That was the point made by Chaos not me.

I simply pointed out that your joke was unfunny and that a few folks here who had expressed sympathy when you posted what was on the face of it a genuine remark about seeking help with an addiction probably felt foolish afterwards. You blew it up into something more serious.

I compared your joke to the sort of joke I commonly encountered when working with Navajo indians. I spent several months with them. Have you?

As I also pointed out i regularly challenge people for racism. My record is spotless in this regard.

You accuse me now of obfuscation. Totally NOT true. Please look again at our exhange and stop making distorted accusations.

It is YOU who should learn you have made a mistake on this occasion.

[my my my!]

That's a damn fine pair of rose coloured specs you have there. :shrug

It's not about that dude.

It is like those really popular clubs. where all the girls go to party. The guys want to go because all the girls are there. The club owner is happy because that's alot of business. The girls get in free and get better treatment. At this type of club, the girls get the benefit of the doubt and preferred status. They're what keeps the club active, and makes the guys want to spend money there, and have a good time.

...then, you get the obnoxious guys that are just being asswipes and harassing the girls, either thinly veiled or outright aggression. the bouncers and the management permit this. and soon, the girls stop going to the club. and it winds up being a sausagefest. and the few girls that are left at the club, get harassed even more, by more obnoxious guys. because of the disparity.

just switch some words:
club= hungangels
girls= the hungangels ladies
guys= the guys at hungangels
obnoxious guys= those guys i've been talking about in earlier posts
club owner= Stephen
bouncers = moderators and Stephen

Believe it or not, HUNGANGELS is not strictly a porn forum. If it becomes that, and all the girls leave. so be it. it's been happening, and I continue seeing less and less girls posting here. definitely not an increase.

[broncofan]

That's a damn fine pair of rose coloured specs you have there. :shrug
The people who give me a thumbs up respect all of my fine qualities. Those who give me a thumbs down are haters of humanity, unable to respect anyone or anything. :D:D

I'm not taking a dig, but I thought the same thing when I saw that post.

[Prospero]

Oh and by the way Krissy I have never said anything about you - good or bad - in the past. Just largely enjoyed your postings and your sense of humour. Perhaps that long last post of yours was actually also a joke. It read like it.

[Poubrian]

Read your post in it's entirety GroobyKrissy. Very well thought out and composed. Was very informative and interesting the points you made. It can most certainly apply to any or all of us here. Not just here on the board, but anywhere. Want to thank you for taking the time to share what you did. It is certainly worthy of being re-read every now and then.

Nice to know someone like you is around, that isn't judgemental or prejudiced because someone's thoughts and idea's perhaps might not be the same as that of the majority, and not so quick to wish someone be banned.

[GroobyKrissy]

Oh and by the way Krissy I have never said anything about you - good or bad - in the past. Just largely enjoyed your postings and your sense of humour. Perhaps that long last post of yours was actually also a joke. It read like it.

This is simply not true. Do you want me to go through you post history and prove it? Or, would you simply like to retract the comment?

Look, I'm not going to get into this with you here because this is actually a decent thread and should continue to be so...

So, I'll do something "uncharacteristic" of me and start a new thread where we can have it out since you seem so intent to do so. I'm amused now and your arguments are childish, poor, and grounded on such illogical threads that it actually diminishes logic to even try and compare them. So meet me over there and let's have this out once and for all.

[dderek123]

We've started with jokes about being addicted to doughnuts and now we're here. Gotta love this place sometimes.

[Prospero]

Ludicrous.

[GroobyKrissy]

You spelled his name wrong.

[Jericho]

It's not about that dude.

Yes dude...It's exactly about that.

You don't have to stick a girl on a pedestal to kiss her arse...It's easy enough to reach, right where it is. :shrug

[my my my!]

Yes dude...It's exactly about that.

You don't have to stick a girl on a pedestal to kiss her arse...It's easy enough to reach, right where it is. :shrug

no, it's not.

you might want to see it like that through your cynical shade ray bans. but it is not so.

It's about the dudes here not knowing when to STFU and let stuff rest. they wanna go back and forth with the ladies. and it's more important to their ego than to just let something trivial or stupid go by.

[dderek123]

Oh so lets complain about it because we know that will make a difference.

[Jericho]

It's about the dudes here not knowing when to STFU

Sometimes, irony is just so delicious.
If you'd followed your own advice and not started this thread, there wouldn't have been this thread:

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?p=1497057#post1497057



:whistle:

[dderek123]

Complaining begets more complaining.

[my my my!]

Sometimes, irony is just so delicious.
If you'd followed your own advice and not started this thread, there wouldn't have been this thread:

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?p=1497057#post1497057



:whistle:

No, I said I don't mind the DUDES throwing down and going back and forth

it's when an asswipe and just keep talking shit to the GIRLS

get it through your thick skull dude. I'll throw down and go back and forth with you or any dude here until your fingertips are bleeding.

[bottomXOslave]

It's not about that dude.

It is like those really popular clubs. where all the girls go to party. The guys want to go because all the girls are there. The club owner is happy because that's alot of business. The girls get in free and get better treatment. At this type of club, the girls get the benefit of the doubt and preferred status. They're what keeps the club active, and makes the guys want to spend money there, and have a good time.

...then, you get the obnoxious guys that are just being asswipes and harassing the girls, either thinly veiled or outright aggression. the bouncers and the management permit this. and soon, the girls stop going to the club. and it winds up being a sausagefest. and the few girls that are left at the club, get harassed even more, by more obnoxious guys. because of the disparity.

just switch some words:
club= hungangels
girls= the hungangels ladies
guys= the guys at hungangels
obnoxious guys= those guys i've been talking about in earlier posts
club owner= Stephen
bouncers = moderators and Stephen

Believe it or not, HUNGANGELS is not strictly a porn forum. If it becomes that, and all the girls leave. so be it. it's been happening, and I continue seeing less and less girls posting here. definitely not an increase.

This sounds like a deflection to protect someone from their lies. :ignore:

In some instances i agree where its unfair belittle girls but in some its pretty fair to call them out on it, which is in this case here, i don't think nobody was being extremely rude or mean, they're just pointing out the the truth.

[Jericho]

get it through your thick skull dude. I'll throw down and go back and forth with you or any dude here until your fingertips are bleeding.


No thanks, cupcake, you're not my type. :rolleyes:

[dderek123]

WAAAAAAHHHH I want to play on the internet but bad people are hurting other people's feelings amirite?

[Prospero]

The ratpack here who jibe at anyone with decent ideas and who enjoy baiting and bullying will be delighted to know that another decent guy - who was once prolific in his intelligent and thoughtful postings here - has told me, privately, that the culture of bullying here, primarily directed at girls has prompted him to leave this forum permanently.

[RallyCola]

7 pages of ranting about hurting people's feelings on a porn board? how much longer is this thread going to go on?

when someone says something you don't like...just call them on it in that thread and move on. posting about the quality of someone's post is just wasteful banter.

[nysprod]

The ratpack here who jibe at anyone with decent ideas and who enjoy baiting and bullying will be delighted to know that another decent guy - who was once prolific in his intelligent and thoughtful postings here - has told me, privately, that the culture of bullying here, primarily directed at girls has prompted him to leave this forum permanently.

Aside from the occasional bullying are the outright idiotic, which sometimes are worse lol

[dderek123]

The ratpack here who jibe at anyone with decent ideas and who enjoy baiting and bullying will be delighted to know that another decent guy - who was once prolific in his intelligent and thoughtful postings here - has told me, privately, that the culture of bullying here, primarily directed at girls has prompted him to leave this forum permanently.

http://stubbornthoughts.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/320swyu40407.gif

[Dexter_Morgan]

WAAAAAAHHHH I want to play on the internet but bad people are hurting other people's feelings amirite?


I live by a certain code.

1) Never harm an innocent.

2) If some deserves it enough than they will more than likely get what's coming to them, its called Karma and Karma can be a bitch that will hide in the shadows, observing its pray, waiting... Finally it will attack and before you realize it you're laying on a table helpless.

Just ignore them, they will get what's coming to them!

[Rabbiteyes]

2) If some deserves it enough than they will more than likely get what's coming to them, its called Carma and Carma can be a bitch that will hide in the shadows, observing its pray, waiting... Finally it will attack and before you realize it you're laying on a table helpless.

http://blogs.babycenter.com/wp-content/gallery/15-hottest-baby-name-trends-of-2012/trends12.jpg

[Dexter_Morgan]

posting about the quality of someone's post is just wasteful banter.

I for one agree!

[Gillian]

The ratpack here who jibe at anyone with decent ideas and who enjoy baiting and bullying will be delighted to know that another decent guy - who was once prolific in his intelligent and thoughtful postings here - has told me, privately, that the culture of bullying here, primarily directed at girls has prompted him to leave this forum permanently.
Although the last time he left, it wasn't long before he came back ... :D

[Rockit_]

Although the last time he left, it wasn't long before he came back ... :D

Bearded One or Willie Escalade?

[Gillian]

Bearded One or Willie Escalade?
Neither. The "Saintly" one ... :lol:

[dderek123]

Neither. The "Saintly" one ... :lol:

The "Complaintly" one is more like it.

[GroobySteven]

The "Complaintly" one is more like it.

BAM - you're banned. You were warned so don't come crying. You're the first and the rest better take note.

While I'm on the subject, here's my take. You guys with rose-tinted glasses about the "old days" it was worse then and girls always came and went (or were chased off because usually they lied or said stupid shit).

I like Robert Louis, he's a good guy, he's smart and he means well but he is one of the group here that can only see the girls as being right/good and doesn't like anyone criticising or calling their bullshit into question, he's not the only one. These guys need to get over it - I'm not going to give the girls a pass on their bullshit, simply because they are girls. They get equal treatment.

The question on girls coming and going, is nothing new. Girls get on Facebook or Twitter and get inundated with asslickers (not literally although they would be) and they can delete or monitor those who disagree with them. Not here, a girl posts bullshit and they're going to be called out on it, a girl asks an opinion and she doesn't like the answer, then that answer is going to stay. So some girls, just don't like the real world (or the real "internet world") where people disagree with them, so they leave. They don't get a pass to spout bullshit, spam or cause friction just because they're a girl - sometimes I might give a little more leeway (let them hang themselves) but ultimately ... they get equal treatment. Girls/Models who know how to make this forum work for them, do, and they get rewarded for it. Other girls, shouldn't let their bruised ego get in the way of self-promotion and learn how to play the long game.

Then there are the bullies. And they are there, and they know who they are - and we know who they are. One of them, just had to keep digging and sniping, so he's gone. It's his bad luck and mis-judgement that I read it this morning, there are worse offenders and they'll be gone also. Periodically this forum needs a culling, to keep it a better place for all, so you've been warned. Disagreeing with people, calling people into question, reacting to bullshit ... all fine, I'm one of the main people to do this. Getting into an online argument with someone - again, it's fine. Constantly harassing an individual, being the one person that needs to comment on every thread, being the overall cunt of the forum, you are out of here.

I'd probably make more money from this forum, if I left it to it's own devices and let people run amok and say anything, then it would become more combative yet possibly more popular. I won't let that happen - but I also won't let it become yet another venue for guys to asskiss every transgender, no matter what a bullshitting, or egotistical or lying fucker they may be. There needs to be a reality check - and this forum is it.

[Gillian]

Fair dos ...

[Ben in LA]

Bearded One or Willie Escalade?

I didn't leave...I just changed my name and am posting less...

[scroller]

While I'm on the subject, here's my take...

This is good to hear, actually. Approve of this message.

[Ts RedVeX]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzgEi_u9-88&app=desktop

[Turlington]

Even I step away for a bit here and there...

[Chaos]

Even I step away for a bit here and there...

I left for a long while,came back recently,and I try to keep my mouth shut as much as I can(though I still have my "outburst" moments)....since it seems EVERYTHING becomes an argument.


And yes, I'll be surprised if this statement DOESN'T cause something... :ignore:

[Stavros]

Of the transexuals I know, one is in her 40s and so absorbed in her (successful) businesses she hasn't time for email, text messages, facebook etc and thus no interest in forums of any kind. I did once know an escort who posted a few messages on Hungangels but had a loyal clientele and was not interested in engaging in the kind of debates that take place here, and another escort who simply couldn't be bothered. Two girls I know who are in their late 20s communicate, mostly for their friends via Facebook, Instagram and twitter, with Instagram now taking precedence where a few years ago it was twitter and in two years time will probably be something else. Both have switched their Facebook accounts to private to combat offensive people. I can see why Hungangels exists, but it is of no relevance to the transexuals I know, none of whom post reports in forums of any kind. RobertLouis was candid about where he was born and grew up, where he lives, what he looks like, and what he does for a living, yet became the object of vitriolic abuse by people, some of whom were insisting that EvonRose provide scans of her academic qualifications in exactly the same way some Americans a few years ago insisted that Barack Obama provide birth certificates, dental records, fingerprints and god knows what else, to prove that he is indeed Barack Obama -the hypocrisy of some people would be beyond belief were it not inscribed in the posts they have submitted to this forum. If people can post here, they can just as easily visit Stanford University's MBA website where its fees are clearly stated, and draw their own conclusions, even though the whole of the truth of what they know about a certain person is less clear. There are times when it would be best to follow the advice of Seamus Heaney: whatever you say, say nothing.

[nysprod]

There are excellent reasons to have serious doubts about Evon"s claim re Stanford's B school...if she's wants to come here to announce it that's fine, but to expect that everyone is simply going to believe what she says isn't realistic. Saying nothing is good but when someone initiates the discussion, expect there to be multiple responses.

On the other hand, if a girl posts her pics and says "I hope you like the," I'm not going to express a negative opinion if I don't...but neither will I offer false praise.

[Turlington]

I agree. She should've have known how folks would have reacted to said statement, especially since she did post here a bit previously. Personally I would have made that statement within my own circle of friends, not to some random faceless strangers (for the most part).

[my my my!]

She should've have known how folks would have reacted to said statement, especially since she did post here a bit previously. .

my reasoning for the original post is, that while fundamentally I agree with you, I believe that some guys (not all) just don't know when to let something go

they could've stopped at "I don't believe you" and just gotten the hell out. but, nooooo, they insisted more and more like if they needed to prove something to themselves.

they do this more often than we think. and if the management allows it, so be it.

if they don't care that the amount of girls posting here is at an all time low (well at least since I started here in 2007), that's their deal.

[sukumvit boy]

Of the transexuals I know, one is in her 40s and so absorbed in her (successful) businesses she hasn't time for email, text messages, facebook etc and thus no interest in forums of any kind. I did once know an escort who posted a few messages on Hungangels but had a loyal clientele and was not interested in engaging in the kind of debates that take place here, and another escort who simply couldn't be bothered. Two girls I know who are in their late 20s communicate, mostly for their friends via Facebook, Instagram and twitter, with Instagram now taking precedence where a few years ago it was twitter and in two years time will probably be something else. Both have switched their Facebook accounts to private to combat offensive people. I can see why Hungangels exists, but it is of no relevance to the transexuals I know, none of whom post reports in forums of any kind. RobertLouis was candid about where he was born and grew up, where he lives, what he looks like, and what he does for a living, yet became the object of vitriolic abuse by people, some of whom were insisting that EvonRose provide scans of her academic qualifications in exactly the same way some Americans a few years ago insisted that Barack Obama provide birth certificates, dental records, fingerprints and god knows what else, to prove that he is indeed Barack Obama -the hypocrisy of some people would be beyond belief were it not inscribed in the posts they have submitted to this forum. If people can post here, they can just as easily visit Stanford University's MBA website where its fees are clearly stated, and draw their own conclusions, even though the whole of the truth of what they know about a certain person is less clear. There are times when it would be best to follow the advice of Seamus Heaney: whatever you say, say nothing.


So what happened to Stavros ? Was he banned or just decided to "say nothing"? He hasn't posted anything for 4 weeks.
Either way, his insightful and articulate input is sorely missed around here.
Perhaps I missed something?

[sukumvit boy]

While I'm on this subject , is there some way to see if someone has been banned? Would it be on their profile page? Because I was also wondering what happened to Dino Velvet.

[the_unnatural]

I miss Dino Velvet's posts, too. Seemed like he walked away after unleashing a barrage of poop-related epistles.

[Tapatio]

I thought the avatar Dino left in dismay over the fact that the user Natina existed on this board. Or did that already happen, and this is a new thing?

[sukumvit boy]

I thought the avatar Dino left in dismay over the fact that the user Natina existed on this board. Or did that already happen, and this is a new thing?

No , Dino came back after the Natina thing ,than he dropped out again in April.

[LilyRox]

I spotted danthepoet today.

http://www-deadline-com.vimg.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Waldo_pose__111107182929-275x653.jpg

[danthepoetman]

I spotted the guy too, lovely Lily...
;)

[danthepoetman]

...but the scene is rough sometimes. He might just be passing through.

[Prospero]

it is good to have Dan back.... hi Dan... but I suspect he may slip away again when the level of rudeness here hits a a new crescendo.

Regarding Dino Velvet. he has not been banned. He has chosen, for reasons of his own, to absent himself. He still peeks at the posts but does not participate t present. I am sure we'd welcome him back - even with his scatalogical bent.

[danthepoetman]

It's nice to be here, Prospero. I was missing you, all my friends here.

We're all searching for a nice place where people are warm and friendly, a bit of a home.
And the girls, well, as far as I'm concerned, when I'm in contact with them, I tend to consider them as ladies, and talk to them as such, with all the respect that should come with it. But I often forget HA is a porn site! And it is! It's a porn site! So you naturally get all the disrespectful, denigrative, offensive comments made to them and especially, you have many people not trying in any way, in such a context, as full as they are of their desires and their fantasies, to figure at all what these girls themselves are about, as real people, as real human beings, with plans and dreams and feelings. So the guys, in my humble opinion, will keep on pissing the girls off! That's just the way it is. And the girls will keep on having a hard time staying around.
I'm always surprised to see that almost no one here realize the priviledge their making us with their charming presence. But I can't think of it changing any time in the future.
And that's my humble take on the topic...

[youngblood61]

Welcome home Dan. I just don't see the point of being negative towards these ladies. They have a hard enough time as it is. When I first joined the girls here were unreal Ana Mancini, Vicki Richter, Danielle Foxx just too name a few. All gone because of negative comments. We should enjoy these special girls not bring them down. We have some nice girls here now Michelle Firestone, Kelly Klaymore, Libby, Joanna Jet, Lily Rox. Lets try too keep them coming around giving us pics, and allowing us too look at their bodies. Sorry for being long winded.

[trish]

It's nice to be here, Prospero. I was missing you, all my friends here.

We're all searching for a nice place where people are warm and friendly, a bit of a home.
And the girls, well, as far as I'm concerned, when I'm in contact with them, I tend to consider them as ladies, and talk to them as such, with all the respect that should come with it. But I often forget HA is a porn site! And it is! It's a porn site! So you naturally get all the disrespectful, denigrative, offensive comments made to them and especially, you have many people not trying in any way, in such a context, as full as they are of their desires and their fantasies, to figure at all what these girls themselves are about, as real people, as real human beings, with plans and dreams and feelings. So the guys, in my humble opinion, will keep on pissing the girls off! That's just the way it is. And the girls will keep on having a hard time staying around.
I'm always surprised to see that almost no one here realize the priviledge their making us with their charming presence. But I can't think of it changing any time in the future.
And that's my humble take on the topic...
I love you Dan.

[Prospero]

I love you Dan.

wow Dan... you are a privileged man!

[simonisthebest]

everybody should accept criticism , too much ass kissing on internet

Look at that "krissy" persona, everybody keep sayin she flawless,amazing,beautiful.:dead-1:..da stuff is nonsense & yall know its not true.:cheers:

.

[CORVETTEDUDE]

Yeah people....just chill out!!!

[youngblood61]

everybody should accept criticism , too much ass kissing on internet

Look at that "krissy" persona, everybody keep sayin she flawless,amazing,beautiful.:dead-1:..da stuff is nonsense & yall know its not true.:cheers:

.To be honest I don't remember anybody saying Krissy was a flawless beauty. I like Krissy because of the way she carries herself, and she has been very nice too me. Plus she has a great set of legs, and the content on her site is awesome.

[danthepoetman]

Welcome home Dan.
Thank you, my friend.


I love you Dan.
Trish, you know that the feeling is, and always has been well shared.
<3 <3 <3


wow Dan... you are a privileged man!
Yes I am... :)

[LilyRox]

Glad to have you back dan! :)

and we need less of this :yingyang:


everybody should accept criticism , too much ass kissing on internet

Look at that "krissy" persona, everybody keep sayin she flawless,amazing,beautiful.:dead-1:..da stuff is nonsense & yall know its not true.:cheers:

[Turlington]

To be honest I don't remember anybody saying Krissy was a flawless beauty. I like Krissy because of the way she carries herself, and she has been very nice too me. Plus she has a great set of legs, and the content on her site is awesome.

Everyone on this earth has a flaw.

[danthepoetman]

Glad to have you back dan! :)

and we need less of this :yingyang:

Lily :kiss:

...and of course I agree with you...

[youngblood61]

Everyone on this earth has a flaw.:iagree: