Gay for Pay- Trans for Pay ?

[MrBlonde]

I was just curious if anyone knows of anyone who may have transitioned or partially transitioned for business reasons more so than their own desire to. I've heard things here and there over the years from different people that sort of hinted towards it, most recently Eva Lin said something along those lines in an interview. I can't remember the exact quote but she said something along those lines. I know such a thing can't be common due to the enormous emotional and financial cost of it all. But in a few instances I'm sure it has happened. Obviously today's breed of drag queens will sometimes go through various surgeries to help out in their line of work. Maybe sometimes it snow balls from there for some?

[saifan]

From what I've heard it seems to be most likely in a country like Brazil.

[RallyCola]

if you can make money at it, you will find someone willing to do it.

perhaps not prevalent on the "mass appeal pornstar" scale but there are obviously trans-for-pay models featured on several websites. let's think about it...if you are a gay man and can't get any escorting business, why not doll yourself up and sell yourself as a transwoman. you'll be in much higher demand.

that said, i think as transgender individuals are far more the norm in other cultures, it is probably a little more common in Thailand and Brazil than it is here BUT that doesn't mean that some of the models in the US aren't also trans-for-pay. i can think of a bunch that appear to be from their look, lack of transition over time and such.

[Ts RedVeX]

Why would one like a professional career that won't make them happy??

[MrBlonde]

if you can make money at it, you will find someone willing to do it.

perhaps not prevalent on the "mass appeal pornstar" scale but there are obviously trans-for-pay models featured on several websites. let's think about it...if you are a gay man and can't get any escorting business, why not doll yourself up and sell yourself as a transwoman. you'll be in much higher demand.

that said, i think as transgender individuals are far more the norm in other cultures, it is probably a little more common in Thailand and Brazil than it is here BUT that doesn't mean that some of the models in the US aren't also trans-for-pay. i can think of a bunch that appear to be from their look, lack of transition over time and such.


Yes this is sort of what I was thinking/wondering. I was very surprised to hear Eva talk along those lines. I mean she didn't talk about it heavily or anything but just sort of glossed over it briefly. You would think someone looking and acting like she does has wanted and felt it her whole life.

And back to the drag queen thing. I have heard numerous people bring up certain queens and them having work done (facial, boobs, injections, so on) and still identifying as a male on the inside and in their normal day to day life. Now I am not judging it, I am completely fascinated by it. Going around with a largely feminine look, huge boobs and ass, whatever but still considering yourself male. Just sort of blows my mind.

Then this new breed of feminine male model that is becoming such the "thing". Now obviously some are the classic story of a very feminine male trapped in the wrong body and they get noticed and start slowly transitioning into what they feel more comfortable as. But then there are surely others who start transitioning a bit just to help their career and get more work. It's just another fascinating avenue in this whole trans thing for me. So many different stories, ways, types. All cool and interesting and many times very very sexy.

[Michelle Firestone]

I heard thats more common for camgirls from poor countries.

[MrBlonde]

Why would one like a professional career that won't make them happy??

Well obviously many times people confuse money with happiness. And in the case of some of these trans girls in dirt poor situations and countries maybe it's looked at as a no brainer and the only way out for them. I've never lived any kind of existence even close to that but I can imagine it. You are poor and desperate and your friends are doing it, you are already on the fem side so you take the route of least resistance. Put food on yours and your families table, start having things you need and want. It seems like a heavy price to pay on the outside but imagine going hungry for a while and what lengths you'd go to change it.

[MrBlonde]

I heard thats more common for camgirls from poor countries.


Yes I can see that. I've seen many asian and latin camgirls who are either super early in transition or are just really femme males playing it up for the cam.

That brings up another area of wonder for me. How many of these types start out with little to no interest in being a girl but as they work on cam and see the other girls getting more attention when they have gone further into transition (getting boob work, surgeries) decide to go the same route? I bet it's more common than one would think.

[saifan]

Yes this is sort of what I was thinking/wondering. I was very surprised to hear Eva talk along those lines. I mean she didn't talk about it heavily or anything but just sort of glossed over it briefly. You would think someone looking and acting like she does has wanted and felt it her whole life.

And back to the drag queen thing. I have heard numerous people bring up certain queens and them having work done (facial, boobs, injections, so on) and still identifying as a male on the inside and in their normal day to day life. Now I am not judging it, I am completely fascinated by it. Going around with a largely feminine look, huge boobs and ass, whatever but still considering yourself male. Just sort of blows my mind.

Then this new breed of feminine male model that is becoming such the "thing". Now obviously some are the classic story of a very feminine male trapped in the wrong body and they get noticed and start slowly transitioning into what they feel more comfortable as. But then there are surely others who start transitioning a bit just to help their career and get more work. It's just another fascinating avenue in this whole trans thing for me. So many different stories, ways, types. All cool and interesting and many times very very sexy.

Danielle Foxx started out in the drag world and even did a talk show appearance where she gave up drag because she wanted to focus on her regular career. At the end of the segment her wig was yanked off. We all know where she ended up but it makes for a very interesting watch now.

[Michelle Firestone]

i can think of a bunch that appear to be from their look, lack of transition over time and such.

There's things I want. Like boobs, srs, some facial work, etc. But I'm mostly happy w/how I look. So that probably makes me less motivated to make a bunch of $$$ to get surgeries. And I spend money like crazy & don't escort or sugarbaby. So all I've done = laser & HRT. I am a woman tho. I pass like all the time.

It's frustrating that ppl might not even consider me a woman just b/c I'm not made of plastic, but it's only porn fans who compare me to the tgirl pornstar norm that think that. In real life in public I do fine being more natural.

Esp the boob thing. Porn fans are like ooooo I won't look at anyone w/o boobs. But IRL I gotta brandish weapons on the street to keep guys from touching me. Different rules apply to porn land.

[tmaht]

Michelle you look fantastic...Sweet,cute,sexy,hot and most important real....Keep it up....I will

[wiltthestilt]

There's things I want. Like boobs, srs, some facial work, etc. But I'm mostly happy w/how I look. So that probably makes me less motivated to make a bunch of $$$ to get surgeries. And I spend money like crazy & don't escort or sugarbaby. So all I've done = laser & HRT. I am a woman tho. I pass like all the time.

It's frustrating that ppl might not even consider me a woman just b/c I'm not made of plastic, but it's only porn fans who compare me to the tgirl pornstar norm that think that. In real life in public I do fine being more natural.

Esp the boob thing. Porn fans are like ooooo I won't look at anyone w/o boobs. But IRL I gotta brandish weapons on the street to keep guys from touching me. Different rules apply to porn land.

Wow! Definitely don't get surgery. I feel lots of TS's (and gg's) look better before the surgeries, JMHO.

[Rabbiteyes]

I was just curious if anyone knows of anyone who may have transitioned or partially transitioned for business reasons more so than their own desire to.

Humm, well, there is definitely a business aspect in transitioning further (for pretty much everyone I would imagine). How you look affects how you function in society.... that is a lot of the angst behind transitioning in general. For business, personal life, and everything else.

I wouldn't say business / career is the majority of why I want FFS....but it is definitely a major concern.

[maxpower]

There's things I want. Like boobs, srs, some facial work, etc. But I'm mostly happy w/how I look. So that probably makes me less motivated to make a bunch of $$$ to get surgeries. And I spend money like crazy & don't escort or sugarbaby. So all I've done = laser & HRT. I am a woman tho. I pass like all the time.

It's frustrating that ppl might not even consider me a woman just b/c I'm not made of plastic, but it's only porn fans who compare me to the tgirl pornstar norm that think that. In real life in public I do fine being more natural.

Esp the boob thing. Porn fans are like ooooo I won't look at anyone w/o boobs. But IRL I gotta brandish weapons on the street to keep guys from touching me. Different rules apply to porn land.


You look fantastic, Michelle. Totally a girl. I love it.

[RallyCola]

....Different rules apply to porn land.

the porn world is far different that RT. In RT, you are who you portray yourself to be based on your looks, attitude, intelligence, social graces, etc. That does not really come across when selling sex on camera because the intent and motivation are different.

Moreso, the packaging is different. Actually, if you look at my signature, it speaks directly to this point. Some women look better with their clothes on. That is not directed at you Michele...but packaging sells who a person is, be it dressed prim and proper, sultry or slovenly...feminine, masculine or androgynous...in thift store threads or designer labels.

Walking into a starbucks or meeting at a bar, I might find a girl attractive for any number of reasons so long as they present someone that features the physical features i find appealing. I believe however, that should that meeting turn to intimacy, once clothes start coming off and i find her body less than feminine, my interest could quickly wan depending on where she is in her transition. It is the same with porn...but with porn...it is far more too the point. I lose immediate interest when certain models take their clothes off.

This isn't an issue of passing or even of having boobs or not....it is more of a "total package issue" in that some models are clearly women in transition and others appear not to be. these others could be trans-for-pay or just very non-committal people. who knows???

one thing this board shows though is that there is a market for every iteration of trans-porn because there is widespread acceptance (maybe not vocal, but widespread) for models that are the "man in dress" style through the ulta-fem barbie type.

[transfan8591]

I did read an research article about transsexualism in Thailand,
and it said that most of the impoverished Kathoeys that decide to become
TS is mainly for financial gain.
So it's not impossible for CD's and DQ's to go all out and transition to become a
Trans-woman to make money.

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[Michelle Firestone]

Ya know what? Idc about discussing it. I'm not trans for pay.

[RallyCola]

Ya know what? Idc about discussing it. I'm not trans for pay.

no one said you were or were not...why so defensive?

[MrBlonde]

Humm, well, there is definitely a business aspect in transitioning further (for pretty much everyone I would imagine). How you look affects how you function in society.... that is a lot of the angst behind transitioning in general. For business, personal life, and everything else.

I wouldn't say business / career is the majority of why I want FFS....but it is definitely a major concern.


Thank you. Thanks for your honest input. I appreciate it.

[MrBlonde]

Ya know what? Idc about discussing it. I'm not trans for pay.

Michelle you are flat out gorgeous and I appreciate your input in my thread. I never thought you were trans for pay anyway. And for anyone who may be I certainly am not judging or looking down on them. Not at all. I am fascinated and curious about it all, that's all.

[Ben in LA]

There's things I want. Like boobs, srs, some facial work, etc. But I'm mostly happy w/how I look. So that probably makes me less motivated to make a bunch of $$$ to get surgeries. And I spend money like crazy & don't escort or sugarbaby. So all I've done = laser & HRT. I am a woman tho. I pass like all the time.

It's frustrating that ppl might not even consider me a woman just b/c I'm not made of plastic, but it's only porn fans who compare me to the tgirl pornstar norm that think that. In real life in public I do fine being more natural.

Esp the boob thing. Porn fans are like ooooo I won't look at anyone w/o boobs. But IRL I gotta brandish weapons on the street to keep guys from touching me. Different rules apply to porn land.

I for one like you just the way you are.

[TSPornFan]

Esp the boob thing. Porn fans are like ooooo I won't look at anyone w/o boobs. But IRL I gotta brandish weapons on the street to keep guys from touching me. Different rules apply to porn land.

I partly disagree with you. It really depends on the guy. There are some guys who love natural transwomen while there are guys like myself who requires a transwoman to have breast or we're not interested in real life and porn land.

[transfan8591]

(Puts up hand).....I am one of those porn fans, I like big boobs, fake or natural.
Small breasts, it depends on the girl. There are some cute small breasted girls.


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[RallyCola]

this is not a question of "hormone boobs" vs. implants. it is a question of having a flat chest like a pre-pubescent boy or not. there are MANY popular models that are the latter and these are the girls i suspect could be trans-for-pay. i stress could because some may just be modeling at the extreme infancy of their transition whereas others could be trans only because they want to dress the part.

[mealticket]

which eva lin interview does she mention this?

[TSPornFan]

this is not a question of "hormone boobs" vs. implants. it is a question of having a flat chest like a pre-pubescent boy or not. there are MANY popular models that are the latter and these are the girls i suspect could be trans-for-pay. i stress could because some may just be modeling at the extreme infancy of their transition whereas others could be trans only because they want to dress the part.

We know what this topic is about. We were responding to Michelle Firestone's statement about hormone boobs vs implants.

I'm sure there are popular TS pornstars who are trans for pay. That's how trans porn originally was before the 2000s. Most trans pornstars were crossdressers and gay men who were paid to be trans.

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

I was just curious if anyone knows of anyone who may have transitioned or partially transitioned for business reasons more so than their own desire to. I've heard things here and there over the years from different people that sort of hinted towards it, most recently Eva Lin said something along those lines in an interview. I can't remember the exact quote but she said something along those lines. I know such a thing can't be common due to the enormous emotional and financial cost of it all. But in a few instances I'm sure it has happened. Obviously today's breed of drag queens will sometimes go through various surgeries to help out in their line of work. Maybe sometimes it snow balls from there for some?

I gave Susi and her friend a ride home from Sunny's party one night a few months ago and the girl in the back told me how guys would put on makeup and a wig and some spandex skirt and heels and suck dick or fuck in a backstreet because it was easier to make cash than standing at Home Depot or Uhaul all day looking for contractors picking up workers.......... I was floored but eventually after driving down Roosevelt Ave here in NY it made sense.........

[RallyCola]

I gave Susi and her friend a ride home from Sunny's party one night a few months ago and the girl in the back told me how guys would put on makeup and a wig and some spandex skirt and heels and suck dick or fuck in a backstreet because it was easier to make cash than standing at Home Depot or Uhaul all day looking for contractors picking up workers.......... I was floored but eventually after driving down Roosevelt Ave here in NY it made sense.........

are you saying that the jackson heights street walkers are not the best our fair city has to offer? say it ain't so. :)

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

are you saying that the jackson heights street walkers are not the best our fair city has to offer? say it ain't so. :)

;) just repeating what a [woman] told me

[nysprod]

There's things I want. Like boobs, srs, some facial work, etc. But I'm mostly happy w/how I look. So that probably makes me less motivated to make a bunch of $$$ to get surgeries. And I spend money like crazy & don't escort or sugarbaby. So all I've done = laser & HRT. I am a woman tho. I pass like all the time.

It's frustrating that ppl might not even consider me a woman just b/c I'm not made of plastic, but it's only porn fans who compare me to the tgirl pornstar norm that think that. In real life in public I do fine being more natural.

Esp the boob thing. Porn fans are like ooooo I won't look at anyone w/o boobs. But IRL I gotta brandish weapons on the street to keep guys from touching me. Different rules apply to porn land.

Maybe I'm making the wrong assumption here but it seems that there are plenty of porn fans who like you just fine, if the amount of work you've gotten is any indication.

[DravinaT123]

"Trans for pay" - very interesting topic. 10/12 years ago in Pattaya i met a very attractive (and very busty) ladyboy. Age mid 20's, she had been working in one of the big cabarets and escorting for 4 or 5 years. She spoke good English. Her feminisation (primarily implants) was an investment to help her raise money to pay off loan on house she was buying. her plan was to have her implants removed at age 30 and go back to being a (gay) boy.

In the original "Ladyboys" docu, we see one of the girls featured working in an abbatoir. The choice presented was: be a boy in exhausting, dirty work in rural Thailand or go to Pattaya and earn money much more easily by being a ladyboy cabaret dancer + escorting. Not surprsing that many gay boys would choose the latter. I wonder if it is even chosen by young thai heterosexuals but have no evidence?

At least, the boys in Thailand have some choice. Information from Brazil shows young gay boys from the poorer north being enticed (at best) or kidnapped (at worst) by traffickers to big cities and then transformed quickly into "mini travestis" by hormones, silicone and implants. then forced into bonded labour/prostitution to repay the "bill" to the traffickers. I can supply links if anyone wants them as proof of situation in Brazil.

[Rockit_]

"Trans for pay" - very interesting topic. 10/12 years ago in Pattaya i met a very attractive (and very busty) ladyboy. Age mid 20's, she had been working in one of the big cabarets and escorting for 4 or 5 years. She spoke good English. Her feminisation (primarily implants) was an investment to help her raise money to pay off loan on house she was buying. her plan was to have her implants removed at age 30 and go back to being a (gay) boy.

In the original "Ladyboys" docu, we see one of the girls featured working in an abbatoir. The choice presented was: be a boy in exhausting, dirty work in rural Thailand or go to Pattaya and earn money much more easily by being a ladyboy cabaret dancer + escorting. Not surprsing that many gay boys would choose the latter. I wonder if it is even chosen by young thai heterosexuals but have no evidence?

At least, the boys in Thailand have some choice. Information from Brazil shows young gay boys from the poorer north being enticed (at best) or kidnapped (at worst) by traffickers to big cities and then transformed quickly into "mini travestis" by hormones, silicone and implants. then forced into bonded labour/prostitution to repay the "bill" to the traffickers. I can supply links if anyone wants them as proof of situation in Brazil.

Wow, I had no idea that prostitution was such a problem in Brazil.

[MrBlonde]

"Trans for pay" - very interesting topic. 10/12 years ago in Pattaya i met a very attractive (and very busty) ladyboy. Age mid 20's, she had been working in one of the big cabarets and escorting for 4 or 5 years. She spoke good English. Her feminisation (primarily implants) was an investment to help her raise money to pay off loan on house she was buying. her plan was to have her implants removed at age 30 and go back to being a (gay) boy.

In the original "Ladyboys" docu, we see one of the girls featured working in an abbatoir. The choice presented was: be a boy in exhausting, dirty work in rural Thailand or go to Pattaya and earn money much more easily by being a ladyboy cabaret dancer + escorting. Not surprsing that many gay boys would choose the latter. I wonder if it is even chosen by young thai heterosexuals but have no evidence?

At least, the boys in Thailand have some choice. Information from Brazil shows young gay boys from the poorer north being enticed (at best) or kidnapped (at worst) by traffickers to big cities and then transformed quickly into "mini travestis" by hormones, silicone and implants. then forced into bonded labour/prostitution to repay the "bill" to the traffickers. I can supply links if anyone wants them as proof of situation in Brazil.

Thanks so much for this insightful response. When I created this thread and had these ideas I never even considered this side of it. The "forced" aspect. I was mainly thinking about people making a business type choice. Already gay, maybe slightly fem, seeing how life could be easier for them, so on.

The alternate thing. The being kidnapped and forced... Whoa that is scary to say the least. I for one would be extremely interested in reading the articles you mentioned. The world is a scary place.

And thanks again for joining in and sharing your knowledge here.

[DravinaT123]

as requested:

http://noticias.orm.com.br/noticia.asp?id=380080&|meninos+travestis+paraenses+amargam+exploração+em +são+paulo

http://g1.globo.com/goias/noticia/2014/04/presos-suspeitos-de-aliciar-travestis-para-exploracao-sexual-em-goias.html

http://www.dm.com.br/texto/174089 this is especially interesting as the gang leaders are a travesti and her mother. not sure if they are the real gang leaders or a front for organised crime.

suggest to copy and paste words into Google translate and English is good enough to understand.

there are links to videos but they are harder to understand.

[MrBlonde]

as requested:

http://noticias.orm.com.br/noticia.asp?id=380080&|meninos+travestis+paraenses+amargam+exploração+em +são+paulo

http://g1.globo.com/goias/noticia/2014/04/presos-suspeitos-de-aliciar-travestis-para-exploracao-sexual-em-goias.html

http://www.dm.com.br/texto/174089 this is especially interesting as the gang leaders are a travesti and her mother. not sure if they are the real gang leaders or a front for organised crime.

suggest to copy and paste words into Google translate and English is good enough to understand.

there are links to videos but they are harder to understand.


Thanks again, I appreciate the info!

[holzz]

I was just curious if anyone knows of anyone who may have transitioned or partially transitioned for business reasons more so than their own desire to. I've heard things here and there over the years from different people that sort of hinted towards it, most recently Eva Lin said something along those lines in an interview. I can't remember the exact quote but she said something along those lines. I know such a thing can't be common due to the enormous emotional and financial cost of it all. But in a few instances I'm sure it has happened. Obviously today's breed of drag queens will sometimes go through various surgeries to help out in their line of work. Maybe sometimes it snow balls from there for some?

I've often thought there must be SOME people in history who've become TSs not because of psychological factors.

Not saying it's common, but some yeah, why not? It's human nature, people will always look to buck the system.....99% of TS, MTF and FTM, probably do it for psychological reasons though..

[crystalsopen]

Wow! Definitely don't get surgery. I feel lots of TS's (and gg's) look better before the surgeries, JMHO. I like the the all natural look too, but she has to do what she likes. Because she is going to spend the rest of her life with that body.

[KorbinDallas]

I am surprised that no one has mentioned the famous story in the poker world in which a guy by the name of Brian Zembic was offered a "prop bet" of $100,000 to get a pair of boobs and keep them for a year. There was a movie about poker with Drew Berrymore, can't remember the name but he had a bit part in which her date points him out and tells the story of how he came to get fake boobs. Here is a link to story. Brian Zembic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Zembic)

[holzz]

"Trans for pay" - very interesting topic. 10/12 years ago in Pattaya i met a very attractive (and very busty) ladyboy. Age mid 20's, she had been working in one of the big cabarets and escorting for 4 or 5 years. She spoke good English. Her feminisation (primarily implants) was an investment to help her raise money to pay off loan on house she was buying. her plan was to have her implants removed at age 30 and go back to being a (gay) boy.

In the original "Ladyboys" docu, we see one of the girls featured working in an abbatoir. The choice presented was: be a boy in exhausting, dirty work in rural Thailand or go to Pattaya and earn money much more easily by being a ladyboy cabaret dancer + escorting. Not surprsing that many gay boys would choose the latter. I wonder if it is even chosen by young thai heterosexuals but have no evidence?

At least, the boys in Thailand have some choice. Information from Brazil shows young gay boys from the poorer north being enticed (at best) or kidnapped (at worst) by traffickers to big cities and then transformed quickly into "mini travestis" by hormones, silicone and implants. then forced into bonded labour/prostitution to repay the "bill" to the traffickers. I can supply links if anyone wants them as proof of situation in Brazil.

hmmm....who knows, maybe one reason why Brazil invented TS porn? :/

[alpha2117]

People need to remember that in most cases the Trans thing works in reverse. Many people dont transition because they cant afford too. Lots of people aren't - and I dont want to sound nasty - aren't beautiful, so if they were to transition they are not getting sex work jobs or in a lot of cases any jobs. Thats why you see late middle age men transitioning at retirement age because they simply couldn't afford too when they were younger.

[Michelle Firestone]

no one said you were or were not...why so defensive?

I'm sorry about that. I was so defensive b/c somebody in particular said I was trans for pay. Nobody in this thread said I was but I still treated it that way. Really I was just thinking about her.

[Michelle Firestone]

this is not a question of "hormone boobs" vs. implants. it is a question of having a flat chest like a pre-pubescent boy or not. there are MANY popular models that are the latter and these are the girls i suspect could be trans-for-pay. i stress could because some may just be modeling at the extreme infancy of their transition whereas others could be trans only because they want to dress the part.

all my content thats out now could be separated into 2 eras. first = east coast where I was on hormones & couldnt get hard & ppl called me out on it. So after that I stopped taking them for a few months. I feel like for every month I didnt take them it set me back like 2 months of femming. I totally lost any boobs I had which wasnt much anyway cuz im pretty anorexic. Then I shot all that content w/Radius (who is really talented & underrated btw) & boom huge hard dick but I look waaay more masculine. & I hated that part of it. I didn't like being presented like that. Also I experimented topping for the alltgirls site/dvd. The other girls were great & fun but it wasnt my thing & again I hated all the focus on my cock. I know its porn/fiction & ppl know I'm not like that IRL, but it still bothered me.

So now I'm back on my full doses & I have lil boobs bigger than before cuz I think I'm chubbier? I don't care if I'm not super successful if I only bottom & can't get really hard & cum a bunch. I don't feel like selling out as a top when im not one. I'd rather just focus on doing what I really do. I think itll be better that way. Even if I lose fans.

Basically saying that I was totally flat chested & more masculine for the money/fans. There's lots of pressure to get hard & junk so think about that when you think a girl looks too masculine to be trans. Maybe she is off her meds to be hard.

[MrBlonde]

all my content thats out now could be separated into 2 eras. first = east coast where I was on hormones & couldnt get hard & ppl called me out on it. So after that I stopped taking them for a few months. I feel like for every month I didnt take them it set me back like 2 months of femming. I totally lost any boobs I had which wasnt much anyway cuz im pretty anorexic. Then I shot all that content w/Radius (who is really talented & underrated btw) & boom huge hard dick but I look waaay more masculine. & I hated that part of it. I didn't like being presented like that. Also I experimented topping for the alltgirls site/dvd. The other girls were great & fun but it wasnt my thing & again I hated all the focus on my cock. I know its porn/fiction & ppl know I'm not like that IRL, but it still bothered me.

So now I'm back on my full doses & I have lil boobs bigger than before cuz I think I'm chubbier? I don't care if I'm not super successful if I only bottom & can't get really hard & cum a bunch. I don't feel like selling out as a top when im not one. I'd rather just focus on doing what I really do. I think itll be better that way. Even if I lose fans.

Basically saying that I was totally flat chested & more masculine for the money/fans. There's lots of pressure to get hard & junk so think about that when you think a girl looks too masculine to be trans. Maybe she is off her meds to be hard.

I can't really relate as I am not trans but I do what is the word have empathy/ or whatever. I would imagine this sort of thing would be very tough to navigate for a transitioning girl.

Not that this is being asked for or part of this discussion but for me it's always been about other things with tgirls. Sure some girls rock out with a big cock and it makes them seem very exciting. But then others make a soft tiny little cock seem so sweet and adorable. It really has to complete the whole package for either one to do anything for me. We are talking attraction here, nothing else. I've never been with a tgirl or even been around one so this is strickly attraction talk. Face, hair, feminine demeanor, so on is what will get me way before caring about what she ma or may not be packing.

[transfan8591]

I'm not gonna lie, I first thought this thread was about male pornstars
(like Ramon from Trans500) crossing over to transsexual porn....lol
I would love to have had sex with half of the TS's and GG's he has had
sex with. (Eva Lin, Tia Tanaka...the list goes on.)



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[up_for_it]

People need to remember that in most cases the Trans thing works in reverse. Many people dont transition because they cant afford too. Lots of people aren't - and I dont want to sound nasty - aren't beautiful, so if they were to transition they are not getting sex work jobs or in a lot of cases any jobs. Thats why you see late middle age men transitioning at retirement age because they simply couldn't afford too when they were younger.

This is a fascinating topic, and one that I've wondered about for a couple of years now, so I'm glad to have come across this thread.

I think the alpha has a really good point- a lot of people can't afford to transition, and this does provide some counterpoint, and also raises the question of the uncounted or unconsidered number of people out there who do in fact want to transition, but are hindered by an inability to make the kid of money needed to do it.

That being said, let's face it- its no coincidence that T girl escorts are concentrated in areas like Thailand, the Philippines, and Brazil and other Latin American countries that have poor economies but attract western visitors who have the money to spend on the sex industry. We even see this in places like the upper mid- western U.S., where all the new money from fracking and other contracting work has caused a never before seen number of sex workers in these areas. Poverty will drive people to do just about anything, and it wouldn't surprise me at all to find that there are a large number of people who do transition with profit being the primary motive. After all, people travel a shadow network thousands of miles, at high personal risk, all the way from countries like Guatemala, just to do the yard work lazy Americans could do themselves, so again, I think its very likely a lot of ladies are primarily profit oriented rather than driven by a need to transition.

[Rabbiteyes]

and also raises the question of the uncounted or unconsidered number of people out there who do in fact want to transition, but are hindered by an inability to make the kid of money needed to do it.

There are also a LOT of trans people who don't transition because they are afraid of not passing and what it would mean to their lives (basically destroying the lives they have).

I know a few like that now.

Don't forget there is a much bigger world of trans people outside of the sex industry.

[dderek123]

Trans for pay wasn't uncommon in Thailand. There was a wide spectrum of the LGBT rainbow that I encountered there. Of course trans for pay was always for financial reasons. Since there's no such thing as a pension for most of the people in Thailand. Those who had a few generations of family to support them as they got old were fortunate. Unfortunately not all gays and trans were accepted by their families. In some cases a homosexual or trans person would transition to try to nab a partner that will look after them. If they were unsuccessful they'd might de-transition and try other avenues for security. I don't envy their position. My ex is still doing well over there. With my support she was able to develop a decent career and she's able to support herself. She doesn't have to go fishing for a sugar daddy just to get by. I'm glad I can think that I made a difference in her life.

[up_for_it]

Trans for pay wasn't uncommon in Thailand. There was a wide spectrum of the LGBT rainbow that I encountered there. Of course trans for pay was always for financial reasons. Since there's no such thing as a pension for most of the people in Thailand. Those who had a few generations of family to support them as they got old were fortunate. Unfortunately not all gays and trans were accepted by their families. In some cases a homosexual or trans person would transition to try to nab a partner that will look after them. If they were unsuccessful they'd might de-transition and try other avenues for security. I don't envy their position. My ex is still doing well over there. With my support she was able to develop a decent career and she's able to support herself. She doesn't have to go fishing for a sugar daddy just to get by. I'm glad I can think that I made a difference in her life.

Yep, I think the answer to the question of trans for pay or gay for pay needs to be inserted (pun intended) into the context of the larger sex industry in, for lack of a better term, Third World countries. I would use 'developing,' but that would put too positive of a spin on the situation in countries like Honduras, whose development flat lined a long time ago.

A lot of these countries have rapidly urbanizing populations, which means young people from the country who are enterprising and want a better life flock there, often to find a whole new, and more difficult, set of conditions. Sometimes they end of joining the sex industry. In Thailand, this has become so lucrative and economically stable that most girls are from rural areas and are just following in the footsteps of several generations who came to Bangkok to tap into the sex market since the 1960s.

I don't think that we can consider sex workers just doing what they do because they want to bankroll a transition. Transition itself could offer up a better life. After all, it can always be reversed later on.

I also wholeheartedly agree with Rabbiteyes' comment that far more people transition outside of the sex industry too, which is all the more reason, in my opinion, to push for more tolerance, more acceptance, and for medical insurance to help fund transition.

[up_for_it]

I think this Vice documentary points out some of these issues too:


Rio Fashion Week - Ass Shaking and Transsexual Supermodels - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hvN_IccSM4)

[MrBlonde]

I think this Vice documentary points out some of these issues too:


Rio Fashion Week - Ass Shaking and Transsexual Supermodels - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hvN_IccSM4)

Thanks, very interesting to watch.

[ladd3rfr3ak]

Some might have mentioned already, but i must say to the OP, Gay for pay= Straight person who get his ass fucked by a man for money, Then i suppose Trans for pay should be= CIS male gets breast implants for money.

[christianxxx]

this is a new trend in TS porn and I fucking hate it btw

[MrBlonde]

this is a new trend in TS porn and I fucking hate it btw

Christian without naming any names or anything can you elaborate a little? Any kind of insider info without you know, hurting anyones feelings? I appreciate your jumping in on this.

[TSPornFan]

Jamie Markham was trans for pay. Britney Markham publicly stated on this forum that Jamie is a homosexual and crossdresser. He should have never been photographed and shoot by any company.

[lifeisfiction]

There's things I want. Like boobs, srs, some facial work, etc. But I'm mostly happy w/how I look. So that probably makes me less motivated to make a bunch of $$$ to get surgeries. And I spend money like crazy & don't escort or sugarbaby. So all I've done = laser & HRT. I am a woman tho. I pass like all the time.

It's frustrating that ppl might not even consider me a woman just b/c I'm not made of plastic, but it's only porn fans who compare me to the tgirl pornstar norm that think that. In real life in public I do fine being more natural.

Esp the boob thing. Porn fans are like ooooo I won't look at anyone w/o boobs. But IRL I gotta brandish weapons on the street to keep guys from touching me. Different rules apply to porn land.

Not everyone in porn is obsessed with big breast, or you wouldn't be so popular. Even for porn land, some of the hottest women don't have large breast. I don't understand why some people want to look like Barbie dolls. I would prefer a more natural look, but what ever floats their boat.

And Michelle if you feel under appreciated well give me the weekend to show you what I think. :D

[lifeisfiction]

this is a new trend in TS porn and I fucking hate it btw

Just curious, would you refuse to work with someone if you knew? I mean porn is about performing so I don't think you would care, but I could be wrong?

[christianxxx]

yes I would and I will never name any names. I don't hate them, I just am not attracted to them enough to do a good scene. Bad scenes are not fun for me lol.

and for the record, i think Michelle Firestone is very pretty and I would absolutely enjoy working with her.

[Michelle Firestone]

Thank you Christian. :)

[nysprod]

Jamie Markham was trans for pay. Britney Markham publicly stated on this forum that Jamie is a homosexual and crossdresser. He should have never been photographed and shoot by any company.

Ridiculous, Jamie did some hot scenes and looked great doing them...who cares about labels...and it wouldn't surprise me to know that Britney dissed her sister publically because Jamie is ten times hotter with maybe a tenth of the effort.

[Turlington]

Ridiculous, Jamie did some hot scenes and looked great doing them...who cares about labels...and it wouldn't surprise me to know that Britney dissed her sister publically because Jamie is ten times hotter with maybe a tenth of the effort.

I know I squeezed out quite a few loads to Jamie's jailhouse scene on Strokers...

[TSPornFan]

Ridiculous, Jamie did some hot scenes and looked great doing them...who cares about labels...and it wouldn't surprise me to know that Britney dissed her sister publically because Jamie is ten times hotter with maybe a tenth of the effort.

It doesn't change the fact Jamie wasn't trans and only did trans for pay. Jamie is a man and as customer I do not want men pretending to be trans. I expect TS woman at TS sites. I pay for TS porn so companies should only shoot TS women. Don't give me bullshit. I am not a gay man. I don't want to see a crossdresser or a man pretending to be trans with a terrible wig on his head.

What if a person joins a gay site and all of a sudden there is a genetic female in the scene? Something is would be wrong. The gay person did not join a gay site to see a female. He joined to see men.

What if a straight guy joined Brazzers and they shoot a gay scene? Nobody joins Brazzers for gay porn because it is a straight company. It would be highway robbery.

[Jericho]

It doesn't change the fact Jamie wasn't trans and only did trans for pay. Jamie is a man and as customer I do not want men pretending to be trans.

What are you going to do, pay for a psych report for every model before you tug ya budgie?

[Jericho]

What if a person joins a gay site and all of a sudden there is a genetic female in the scene?

They'll die of shock! :hide-1:
Or possibly give that scene a miss, and go jack off to the rest of the site. :shrug


Go on kukm4, you know ya wanna!

[RallyCola]

as much as i hate to agree with franklin..."jamie markham" is exactly the kind of performer i am referring to. jamie was clearly a boy in a dress and no different than lexx parker or stonie...a boy that looks good in drag. the difference outside of the porn they filmed between "jamie" and lexx on one side vs stonie on the other is that stonie decided to have FFS and breast implantation and is living as a woman now.

other than jamie, there are many popular tranny porn models that fall into this category of "boy in a dress" but the wedge difference is that only TIME can tell if these models are trans-for-pay or serious about becoming the women they dress up to be. if over time a model never takes any legal, psychological and medical steps to transition and only dresses the part, trans-for-pay seems a most appropriate term.

[Vladimir Putin]

I'm sure Lisa Lawer was trans-for-pay. She went back to being a man after leaving the porn business.

[nysprod]

It doesn't change the fact Jamie wasn't trans and only did trans for pay. Jamie is a man and as customer I do not want men pretending to be trans. I expect TS woman at TS sites. I pay for TS porn so companies should only shoot TS women. Don't give me bullshit. I am not a gay man. I don't want to see a crossdresser or a man pretending to be trans with a terrible wig on his head.

What if a person joins a gay site and all of a sudden there is a genetic female in the scene? Something is would be wrong. The gay person did not join a gay site to see a female. He joined to see men.

What if a straight guy joined Brazzers and they shoot a gay scene? Nobody joins Brazzers for gay porn because it is a straight company. It would be highway robbery.

OMG if you're so concerned about who gets into what for why, how about all of the many many trans girls who do a few shoots or vids and then get sick of the whole thing and stop aka trans girl who did porn for pay and then quit.

[wiltthestilt]

Much like sexuality, maybe gender is a spectrum as well. This can be a touchy subject. I've known some gay men who, I don't know how to say this, just didn't seem like men. I'm not saying they were any less of men, or that all gay men fit this profile. But the way they spoke, their mannerisms, how they dressed, how they walked, it struck me as a combination of male and female. Is this a learned behavior, gay culture, is or there something else going on? I really don't know.

[christianxxx]

I hate to agree with Franklin but on this one I do. If a TS shows up for a scene and she is still a boy and then goes into bathroom to put up a wig, makeup, lingerie, etc - well thats not a TS, thats a CD. I consider TS girls ones who are girls, live as girls, think of themselves as girls, and want to be a girl 24/7/365. Just my 2 cents.

[Chaos]

I'm sure Lisa Lawer was trans-for-pay. She went back to being a man after leaving the porn business.

Actually, I believe she went back to being a man after she got a girl pregnant and some family pressure...At least that's what I had heard.

[wiltthestilt]

I hate to agree with Franklin but on this one I do. If a TS shows up for a scene and she is still a boy and then goes into bathroom to put up a wig, makeup, lingerie, etc - well thats not a TS, thats a CD. I consider TS girls ones who are girls, live as girls, think of themselves as girls, and want to be a girl 24/7/365. Just my 2 cents.

I can understand that point of view from a performer. I hate it when TS' s post their pretransition pics. It usually turns me off. That said , I dont care how the girls I watch live while not on the set. I think Jamie Markham's hot. I dont know if the escorts Ive seen live as women all the time either and I dont think about it. For those who do (fans), would you care so much if you just spanked to films and didnt spend half your day on porn forums? I dont care to see the whole process of my food being prepared either.

[christianxxx]

wiltthestilt that's a pretty compelling argument and I can not disagree with you. you are exactly correct. the finished product that someone sees on video, thinks is hot, and jerks off to is all that matters. why look behind the great & powerful wizard if you don't have to?

[lexer]

I think that girls who detransition were in most cases trans for pay, sorry but, it's strange, I'm attracted from them!
I've seen Lisa Lawer Pics before and after, Gabriella Nicola Pics and Diego Nicola pics... I like the idea of a shemale that can revert back to boy... (I think that I'm gay, but I don't like stright man.... only shemale, crossdressers, feminine boys or boys that were girls!)
Do you know others shemales that are reverted to boy now?
I would know who they are ;)

[mealticket]

i know quite a few actually, even some that went back to boy then girl again....many are either born again religious or trans for pay..or in the more rare case feel like a girl but actually just a feminine man and realize it after transition so go back.....

[mealticket]

wait gabriella nicola went back to living as a man?

[lexer]

Yes mealticket, her name is Diego Nicola now ;) I've seen his photos
Which are the others???

[bluesoul]

I hate to agree with Franklin but on this one I do. If a TS shows up for a scene and she is still a boy and then goes into bathroom to put up a wig, makeup, lingerie, etc - well thats not a TS, thats a CD. I consider TS girls ones who are girls, live as girls, think of themselves as girls, and want to be a girl 24/7/365. Just my 2 cents.

in your opinion, do ts's have to meet all these requirements or just one or more? for example, what about girls who live in countries where they might be discriminated upon and thus cannot live as "a girl 24/7/365"? are they ts or cd?

if ts is all in the mind, what if jamie markham honestly thought they were ts? for that time that they thought they were ts, were they? same for the former brasilian ts who got a woman pregnant and de-transitioned. were they once a ts then not, or were they never a ts to begin with?

[scuderia]

how could anybody possibly say that they are only into tgirls and then jerk of to jamie.
he/she totally looks like a man in a wig.

[christianxxx]

in your opinion, do ts's have to meet all these requirements or just one or more? for example, what about girls who live in countries where they might be discriminated upon and thus cannot live as "a girl 24/7/365"? are they ts or cd?

if ts is all in the mind, what if jamie markham honestly thought they were ts? for that time that they thought they were ts, were they? same for the former brasilian ts who got a woman pregnant and de-transitioned. were they once a ts then not, or were they never a ts to begin with?

I am talking specifically about a narrow instance involving a voluntary scene not real life.

[bluesoul]

i'm aware of that. this is why in my second sentence i only gave examples of ts girls in the adult industry. i'm actually unaware of ts girls in real life but i was curious if this applies to them as well or you consider the two separate (adult industry vs civilian life)

[bitown1226]

I'm sure Lisa Lawer was trans-for-pay. She went back to being a man after leaving the porn business.

She may have been trans for pay, but she seemed to enjoy taking cocks in her tight ass.

[Ts RedVeX]

Hey, what if TSX goes away like cold just takes a bit longer and the time depends on the organism??

[BillyTheDick]

Kiara Felicitas took the reverse route too - but she was very feminine and had a nice rack. Though it was never confirmed that she went back being a man....

[lexer]

Kiara Felicitas? Interesting!
She is really sexy as a girl... Someone can confirm?

[RallyCola]

Kiara Felicitas took the reverse route too - but she was very feminine and had a nice rack. Though it was never confirmed that she went back being a man....

that's the first i heard of her detransitioning.

[Rockit_]

Whoa, Gabriela Nicola reverted? When?

[mealticket]

yeah looks like over a year ago...he still dresses like a girl from time to time but the boobs are gone.

[RallyCola]

to my knowledge, "detransitioning" has been fairly limited, has it not?

that said, the idea of being trans-for-pay, in the US culture, i think, applies more to models that don't transition and only dress the part. those that are amid transition and revert to being a man might have far different motivation than just money.

i think this really comes down to how you define: transitioning.

if transitioning is the medical and psychological procedure by which a person undergoes counseling, HRT and elective surgeries to change their gender, there are many models out there would qualify as trans-for-pay. (this is the definition i use)

if transitioning is merely acting in accordance with gender you wish to be through what is essentially "dramatic play" then there are not that many trans-for-pay models.

without naming names...we all know models that fall into the latter category...it is just that some of us feel significantly different about these models than others.

[MrBlonde]

I don't remember their name but I once saw a short docu type thing on a black dragqueen who said they totally identified as a male but had gotten very large breast implants, facial surgery, probably more. If I remember right he was a father and dressed male when not performing, even though they looked like a female facially. Kind of different to say the least. I don't judge it at all. I find it extremely fascinating someone would go to such extremes just for their job. I mean I can't imagine not wanting to be a female and getting huge boobs and ffs and the like but still wanting to be a male. Makes for a very interesting topic though. I'd love to sit down and interview such a person.

[MrBlonde]

Oh and there was another dragqueen (sort of) on youtube I saw. Now this guy was really out there. He claimed to be 100% straight and had a girlfriend and worked construction during the day. But had gotten rather large implants so he could be this specialty type drag queen stripper gram type thing.He had long hair and stuff but other than that and the boobs seemed really "guy" like. He said his service was more for the comic effect than being a turn on for the clients. More extreme measures for a job!

[MrBlonde]

Here is the link to the construction worker one http://mediaburn.org/video/chicago-slices-raw-female-impersonator/?t=09:16

I can't seem to find the video anymore but this is the audio interview. I saw the video somewhere before though.

[TSPornFan]

There were rumors about Madison Montag being trans for pay.

[mealticket]

lol i remember that construction worker, wonder if they still have boobs...i almost feel like he was so over the top in trying to say he didn't feel like a girl that he really was trans..

[mealticket]

i think instead of us saying rumors, we should be showing links or giving some details of what went down

[Christastic]

I'll take people at their word for what they are. Life is hard enough without judging people by your standards. If someone says they're trans that doesn't mean they always will be. Things change. Some people know exactly who they are and what they want to be and some people don't.

[lexer]

There were rumors about Madison Montag being trans for pay.
Well Another stunning girl... :cheers:

[RallyCola]

There were rumors about Madison Montag being trans for pay.

THAT'S IT!

He finally fucked up people. We have verifiable proof that Fwankieboi is really steven just trolling.

you bring up and utterly obscure and irrelevant model like madison montag who hasn't really been featured in EONS the same time a new set of her launches. way to re-introduce her into the cultural lexicon. subtle....really subtle.

QED....steven = fwanklin and einhorn is finkle.

[TSPornFan]

THAT'S IT!

He finally fucked up people. We have verifiable proof that Fwankieboi is really steven just trolling.

you bring up and utterly obscure and irrelevant model like madison montag who hasn't really been featured in EONS the same time a new set of her launches. way to re-introduce her into the cultural lexicon. subtle....really subtle.

QED....steven = fwanklin and einhorn is finkle.

That's ironic. Steven doesn't pay me enough for this.;) My post was written hours before her set was released. It wasn't even on the upcoming scenes list.

To be honest there were rumors about her. I remember members posting comments about Mia Isabella and other girls saying Madison was a gay man who transition for money. Madison wasn't a successful gay escort and turned trans for cash. Madison was trying to seduce Mia's ex-husband when they were married. Again those are rumors. I know it was posted here. I may look for it but I am about to eat dinner.

[Ts RedVeX]

I am wondering how many of you would like to get boobs and try it yourselves ;)

Madonna- What it feels like for a girl - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZihngWYHQUU)

[mealticket]

boobs are pretty awesome but i prefer them on other people...i wouldn't be surprised if a lot of girls transition for reasons outside of being a woman on the inside, i.e to get straight guys, trans for pay, too feminine so think itd be easier to be a woman, look better as a woman etc...not everyone will have the same reason but only some decide to go back

[RallyCola]

I am wondering how many of you would like to get boobs and try it yourselves ;)


http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/zHmyIOhWmpw/hqdefault.jpg

[Jericho]

THAT'S IT!

He finally fucked up people. We have verifiable proof that Fwankieboi is really steven just trolling.

I had the same suspicions during the last 'Sienna' thread.
A bit of controversy about her, and suddenly, there's a new set!

:dead-1:

[RallyCola]

it explains a lot. oh well..we were hoodwinked.

[Jericho]

I am wondering how many of you would like to get boobs and try it yourselves ;)

I WOULD FUCKING LOVE IT!
for a couple of weeks (maybe a month), then I'd be bored with them! :shrug!

[RallyCola]

I WOULD FUCKING LOVE IT!
for a couple of weeks (maybe a month), then I'd be bored with them! :shrug!

i'm not that flexible and my dick is only 7" so it would be difficult to titty fuck myself. i don't think i would want boobs.

now, a longer dick to be able to self suck...that would keep me interested for a few weeks until the novelty wore off

[Jericho]

i'm not that flexible and my dick is only 7" so it would be difficult to titty fuck myself. i don't think i would want boobs.


Which tells me you were overweight as a teenager! :dead-1:

[Chaos]

I'd be an ugly girl...I'm probably just barely average for a guy...I have no idea how I'd ever be able to rate myself honestly....So no boobs on me... :D

[transfan8591]

I have thought about what it
would feel like to have large perfect 36 DD
breasts.
I would probably stare in the mirror for
hours on end and massage them and push them together...lol



__________________
"Look in my eyes, what do you see?.....The Cult of Personality."
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[Rabbiteyes]

It isn't just about having breasts that look like breasts... it also needs hormones to make them more sensitive and turn into erogenous zones (unless you already have sensitive nippies).

[RallyCola]

It isn't just about having breasts that look like breasts... it also needs hormones to make them more sensitive and turn into erogenous zones (unless you already have sensitive nippies).

eh...my wife sucks the, nibbles on them, twists them, puts clamps on them...all really for her benefit. my nipples are dead to me.

so...in light of recent posts...are we collectively saying that women in transition are easily mimicked by men who strap on a pair of tits and are "going trans" for pay? that isn't what i initially thought we were talking about...i thought we were talking about men in drag...that is those that do not take hormones or have surgeries and only dress up. i think we might have been sidetracked by the issue of "detransitioning" because the entire transition process is not easy and i have to believe that if you end up detransitioning, it is less about the paycheck and more about your psychological makeup.

[Ts RedVeX]

I wouldn't call putting plastic boobs and some womens' clothes on transitioning...

[mealticket]

lol yeah when a girl licks my nipples I just look at her and think "what the hell are you doing?"

[Ts RedVeX]

Believe it or not, some men actually like it.

[wiltthestilt]

Believe it or not, some men actually like it.

I love it. I like it when women bite them too. I love it when women do it without having to be told.

[RallyCola]

I wouldn't call putting plastic boobs and some womens' clothes on transitioning...

you might not but many of the cockhounds here would. do you see some of the "girls" they fawn over. all a photographer has to so is present a pleasant feminine image in the first few seconds of a video or few shots of a set and the rest doesn't matter.

[Ts RedVeX]

I know. People will even buy shit if it's nicely wrapped and advertised. However, this thread is about actually transitioning and living with it rather than sticking socks in the bra and taking a few pics.

[NatIce]

I've read interviews with people from Philippines and Thailand who claim to have transitioned for financial purposes. Or who focus on the financial rather than the emotional or psychological. One gets the impression these folks don't loathe the sex part of the equation either and that there is some innate affinity for the new gender.

I think in the coverage of that Marine who killed a transgender girl (Jennifer Laude) in the Philippines it was pretty explicit that she was supporting the entire family on escort earnings. And that the family knew this and accepted it with no reluctance due to a lack of other alternatives. It's difficult to imagine someone concluding this was the way to go strictly from a lack of other occupational prospects and absent any sort of personal inclination toward the gender transition. It seems like in very limited cases, typically in poor countries, financial benefit is one of several factors that support the decision to transition rather than anyone's primary motivation.

[BellaBellucci]

Most Brazilians. It's a sexually accepting culture. It's easier to find a partner after 'transition' and 'detransition' there than in most other places, so there's less long-term risk and tons of cash to be made.

~BB~

[natina]

it haappens MORE IN FOREIGN COUNTRY WITH NOT MANY JOB/ORK OPPORTUNITIES.

THIS VIDEO EXPLAINS IT in detail and more.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x309wwj


I was just curious if anyone knows of anyone who may have transitioned or partially transitioned for business reasons more so than their own desire to. I've heard things here and there over the years from different people that sort of hinted towards it, most recently Eva Lin said something along those lines in an interview. I can't remember the exact quote but she said something along those lines. I know such a thing can't be common due to the enormous emotional and financial cost of it all. But in a few instances I'm sure it has happened. Obviously today's breed of drag queens will sometimes go through various surgeries to help out in their line of work. Maybe sometimes it snow balls from there for some?

[natina]

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you might not but many of the cockhounds here would. do you see some of the "girls" they fawn over. all a photographer has to so is present a pleasant feminine image in the first few seconds of a video or few shots of a set and the rest doesn't matter.

[JenniferParisHusband]

Jamie Markham was trans for pay. Britney Markham publicly stated on this forum that Jamie is a homosexual and crossdresser. He should have never been photographed and shoot by any company.


Jamie Markham breaks my heart a little. I like CD's, but I thought there was a lot of potential for post-transition. I still enjoy the photos, will most likely continue to enjoy them. So, I'd never go so far as to say he never should have been photographed by any company. But then again, I like to pretend that porn stars actually like anal too, never felt like I needed to push that aside on the off chance they didn't. The Jamie stuff is there on film, it is what it is, regardless of whatever the backstory is. I'm ok with that. Hell, I still jerked it to Chris Crocker in his "freak of nature" music video (I had it on mute, because I'm not into pain), but at that time, CD and hot. Glad its there, I'm happy to still enjoy it.

[TSaddicted]

I absolutely adore trans women, I'm on a mission to find a real connection with one again as I have dated one in the past. I search for the best clubs and locations around the world, but if I get the smallest hint that she is attracted to the paper in my wallet and not my looks and personality, I have no interest.

NYC gives me the impression that all the trans care about is making money, it really is such a turn off which has left me with little desire to travel there. The cost of entry to a club, rates of drinks, the charge of a lapdance is just not reasonable. So you pay to enter and these clubs are packed to the brim with working girls. Looks and personalities are not essential to the t-girls as they entertain old men with enormous bellies. This is pretty much the reason why I gave up on London for trans. I used to head to a club and enjoy myself on every occasion, months past and the women changed. The trans only showed interest for old men, guys in suits and those who were clearly paying.

If anyone has some good stories where they entertained a beautiful trans with good conversation and a few drinks inside a club before going back home for a great time, I am all ears!!!

Good luck to the rest of you desperate men who spend $100s of dollars at brothels and escorts inside a nightclub.

My next two destinations appear to be Thailand and San Francisco next year and I cannot wait.

[mica_d]

... But I'm mostly happy w/how I look...
It's frustrating that ppl might not even consider me a woman just b/c I'm not made of plastic, but it's only porn fans who compare me to the tgirl pornstar norm that think that. In real life in public I do fine being more natural.
...

Well I, for one, am glad you look the way you look, and that you're happy with it, because you are amazing just as you are.
:kiss:

[fred41]

My next two destinations appear to be Thailand and San Francisco next year and I cannot wait.

So you think in Thailand she won't be attracted to the paper in your wallet? That's an industry there.

[SanDiegoPervySage]

So you think in Thailand she won't be attracted to the paper in your wallet? That's an industry there. Dude says that while feeling superior. It's really funny when the girls there looking for "love" are mainly looking for a meal ticket. Dude is a sucker, especially trying to find a soul mate in a club.

[NatIce]

Dude says that while feeling superior. It's really funny when the girls there looking for "love" are mainly looking for a meal ticket. Dude is a sucker, especially trying to find a soul mate in a club.

Yes, the delusion is strong with this one. Like a guy who scratches his head complaining that all the girls he meets at the bars are alcoholics and why he can't meet a nice sober girl with suburban values....who frequents city drinking establishments in the wee hours looking for companionship.

[NatIce]

I absolutely adore trans women, I'm on a mission to find a real connection with one again as I have dated one in the past. I search for the best clubs and locations around the world, but if I get the smallest hint that she is attracted to the paper in my wallet and not my looks and personality, I have no interest.

NYC gives me the impression that all the trans care about is making money, it really is such a turn off which has left me with little desire to travel there. The cost of entry to a club, rates of drinks, the charge of a lapdance is just not reasonable. So you pay to enter and these clubs are packed to the brim with working girls. Looks and personalities are not essential to the t-girls as they entertain old men with enormous bellies. This is pretty much the reason why I gave up on London for trans. I used to head to a club and enjoy myself on every occasion, months past and the women changed. The trans only showed interest for old men, guys in suits and those who were clearly paying.

If anyone has some good stories where they entertained a beautiful trans with good conversation and a few drinks inside a club before going back home for a great time, I am all ears!!!

Good luck to the rest of you desperate men who spend $100s of dollars at brothels and escorts inside a nightclub.

My next two destinations appear to be Thailand and San Francisco next year and I cannot wait.

1. Expensive cities like LON and NYC force their residents and visitors to think more carefully about $$ than cheap cities.
2. You fundamentally misunderstand the supply side of the equation. Passable pre-op tgirls are statistically unlikely to remain "pre-op" for many years, and achieving passability is rarely instantaneous with the decision to transition. These factors ensure that the demand for passable pre-op tgirls will always oustrip supply.
3. Transitioning is expensive and an impairment to most conventional employment prospects. This establishes the directionality of net fund flows between the two sets of actors.
4. Having dates with tgirls that represent purely social transactions (to the extent any social transaction can be unpolluted by the financial) is done by many people all the time. Your methods are a failure because they are ill-conceived and naive.

[TSaddicted]

The sucker is the dick who offends another person online that he doesn't know a thing about. Ok, I don't know if you noticed but I originate from London where you will pretty much never bump into a trans at your work place, on the street in the daytime or even a bus ride. London and San Diego are miles apart when it comes to the acceptance of LGBT life. The only place that you can meet a passable trans is via a club, escort or brothal. So if a club is the only place that I may meet a trans who isn't an escort, I think the rest speaks for it's self. Some yanks can be so stupid, sorry.

Does that answer you soul mate in a club thing sucker??

[TSaddicted]

So you think in Thailand she won't be attracted to the paper in your wallet? That's an industry there.

You obviously didn't read what I wrote properly, lmao!!! I will not even bother allow you to waste my time.

[bigm25]

I absolutely adore trans women, I'm on a mission to find a real connection with one again as I have dated one in the past. I search for the best clubs and locations around the world, but if I get the smallest hint that she is attracted to the paper in my wallet and not my looks and personality, I have no interest.

NYC gives me the impression that all the trans care about is making money, it really is such a turn off which has left me with little desire to travel there. The cost of entry to a club, rates of drinks, the charge of a lapdance is just not reasonable. So you pay to enter and these clubs are packed to the brim with working girls. Looks and personalities are not essential to the t-girls as they entertain old men with enormous bellies. This is pretty much the reason why I gave up on London for trans. I used to head to a club and enjoy myself on every occasion, months past and the women changed. The trans only showed interest for old men, guys in suits and those who were clearly paying.

If anyone has some good stories where they entertained a beautiful trans with good conversation and a few drinks inside a club before going back home for a great time, I am all ears!!!

Good luck to the rest of you desperate men who spend $100s of dollars at brothels and escorts inside a nightclub.

My next two destinations appear to be Thailand and San Francisco next year and I cannot wait.

I have been to London and SF and LA & NY. My advice is pay to play, and try to get to know one of the girls you like. If you hang out at a bar consistently and aren't a total asshole you can make friends by being friendly and buying your new friend a drink of their choice. Eventually relationships can and will start, but unless you look like Brad Pitt, don't expect working girls to stop working to make you feel better. Also money talks, men, women, trans, everyone is attracted to wealthy individuals on sexual and nonsexual levels. Just having a friend who is a millionaire can be very beneficial for anyone...

[SanDiegoPervySage]

The sucker is the dick who offends another person online that he doesn't know a thing about. Ok, I don't know if you noticed but I originate from London where you will pretty much never bump into a trans at your work place, on the street in the daytime or even a bus ride. London and San Diego are miles apart when it comes to the acceptance of LGBT life. The only place that you can meet a passable trans is via a club, escort or brothal. So if a club is the only place that I may meet a trans who isn't an escort, I think the rest speaks for it's self. Some yanks can be so stupid, sorry.

Does that answer you soul mate in a club thing sucker??

I love when people get bold and shit on other countries like theirs is the ultimate shit. How I am a sucker by my getting juiced for my money is beyond me. You obviously don't know the definition of one.

And stop being a pussy and directly address me. That's passive "sorry" shit? Knock it off.

[runningdownthatdream]

The sucker is the dick who offends another person online that he doesn't know a thing about. Ok, I don't know if you noticed but I originate from London where you will pretty much never bump into a trans at your work place, on the street in the daytime or even a bus ride. London and San Diego are miles apart when it comes to the acceptance of LGBT life. The only place that you can meet a passable trans is via a club, escort or brothal. So if a club is the only place that I may meet a trans who isn't an escort, I think the rest speaks for it's self. Some yanks can be so stupid, sorry.Does that answer you soul mate in a club thing sucker??Well I think many of us here live in large cities but I believe the percentage of LGBT - with slight variations - are same across the population. In larger urban areas you will also encounter MORE 'out' people since there is greater likelihood of becoming part of a community. So in reality you are in the best place i all of the UK to meet women. If you're truly interested in transgender women then how about joining a support group or getting involved in the things that are important to transgender women. Not the things that YOU think they're interested in: clubs and whoring. If you go to Thailand to find transgender women they will most definitely be interested in you MAINLY BECAUSE YOU'RE A FOREIGNER WHICH EQUALS MONEY-MAKER in their society. You're clearly a fucking yob with a superiority complex: it's all about you and what you want and women should fit into what you want and well if you can't find what you want in London then you'll take your airs and your cock and go to a third-world country where you - incorrectly - believe you will lord it over the women there who will want you because you're a nice guy. You're delusional.

[TSaddicted]

I love when people get bold and shit on other countries like theirs is the ultimate shit. How I am a sucker by my getting juiced for my money is beyond me. You obviously don't know the definition of one.

And stop being a pussy and directly address me. That's passive "sorry" shit? Knock it off.

LMAO!!! Do you really expect me to respond to respond to a sentence so poorly constructed?!!! Give me a break, you're actually making me laugh. How old are you, 10, 12?

[TSaddicted]

Lol, you actually sound upset. You give me the impression that you are late 40s to mid 50s? Everybody knows that Thailand is a destination for foreigners to encounter sex with trans. Nobody said I would be going there for love, I intend to just head out there.

Don't you just hate it when someone ask you a stupid ass question or gets the wrong end of the stick when something is so straight forward?? I need a pencil and a piece of paper or something LMAO!

[fred41]

Everybody knows that Thailand is a destination for foreigners to encounter sex with trans. Nobody said I would be going there for love, I intend to just head out there.

Except you started your post off with this : I absolutely adore trans women, I'm on a mission to find a real connection with one again as I have dated one in the past.

...and as for this part:


..but if I get the smallest hint that she is attracted to the paper in my wallet and not my looks and personality, I have no interest.


Your looks better live up to your perception, because your personality certainly doesn't.

[Jericho]

LMAO!!! Do you really expect me to respond to respond to a sentence so poorly constructed?!!!

I've no dog in this match, but... :shrug

[SanDiegoPervySage]

Except you started your post off with this : I absolutely adore trans women, I'm on a mission to find a real connection with one again as I have dated one in the past.

...and as for this part:



Your looks better live up to your perception, because your personality certainly doesn't.
Well there we go.

[mealticket]

is this still a thing? anyone know any girls that are trans for pay now?

[alcoolsrimbood]

I had a very feminine gay male roommate with a very soft voice..that mo-fo loved to dress up on weekends,putting a wig over his dreads and a one piece short skirt with spaghetti straps...the boobs were some kinda concoction of waterballoons and socks...lol..but he made money...and there are tons others out on the sstrolls doing the same..trust me..i used to see the young ones out there at night who hid their high school uniforms in the bushes so after a night out they could slip into them and go straight to school..you see a lot..

[Lorca81]

religion, family, money, partnership, overall dissatisfaction with the process and/or result...it doesn't really matter. there are also people that have actually reverted to their birth gender AFTER having the reassignment surgery.

these decisions are never superficial and obviously deeply personal so as a porn fan or even proud LGBTQQ advocate, we are not really in a place to question what anyone is going through if they suffer this decision.


Gender and sexuality for many people are represented by two fixed categories: male and female. But the reality is that these are not fixed categories, there are as many categories of identity and behaviour as there are people to invent them. It is only a serious issue for the individual concerned and those closest to them.


Transitioning is the most difficult thing a person can do. It involves changing everything about one's life, and is met almost exclusively with resistance from family, employers, and friends. The suicide and murder rates are incredibly high. Surely these factors weigh heavily on a decision to de-transition.

All of the above posts are accurate. In the interest of education, I'll add what I've been told by may partner.

She was 100% sure that she trans by her early teens. At 16, while still in high school, she tried transitioning. However, she was the target of extreme bullying that frequently crossed the line from being mean spirited to criminal. Matters became so bad that -- at the suggestion of school officials, who explicitly said they were powerless to protect her -- she had to transfer schools her senior year. As a consequence, she decided to de-transition at 17 and went back to presenting as femme gay boi for the duration of high school. This experience was so traumatic that, even after high school, she was too scared to transition, so existed as a femme gay boi for several, and used drag performance as a way to express her female side.

Then, at 20, she began taking hormones (secretly) and growing out her hair, while still living as a femme gay boi, and prepared to re-transition. After a year, though, when it became obvious that she starting her transition, she was confronted and fired by her employer --without notice-- for being trans. (FYI, it's 100% legal for employers to fire employees for being trans in about 50% of U.S. states.) As a result, she became homeless for a while, had to move back home with her family, who are not wealthy people. After paying for basic necessities neither she nor her family could afford things like hormones, testosterone blockers, lawyers fees associated with legal name changes, psychologically necessary cosmetic procedures, etc. In these circumstance, she considered de-transitioning again, fell into a severe clinical depression, and became suicidal.

Around the same time, though, she learned through the t-girl grapevine that she could make money posing for adult websites. So, out of necessity, she financed her transition by doing adult modeling for about 3 years. (Today, she is deeply embarrassed that there are naked pictures of her on the internet.) Once she transitioned full-time and found gainful employment, things got better and she moved on from the adult bizz.

What, I think is important to note about her situation is: 1) she had the emotional support of several family members during that entire tumultuous time; 2) she lived in an area that had lots of resources available for trans people and 3) because she's naturally attractive, even during her early transition, she was passable enough to go about her business without getting clocked and make extra money from doing adult shoots. And yet, she de-transitioned once and considered doing so a second time.

From what I've been told by her, this experience is pretty typical for trans women. So, that is why de-transitioning is not unheard of...