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Stavros
05-19-2014, 02:39 AM
This Guardian article is entitled 'Transgender Latina Stories' but clearly not all the girls are Latina in origin.

The photo link for the article is below followed by a link to a study of Latinos by the National Transgender Survey. The link to the article is at the end.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/arnade/sets/72157631604087600/

http://www.transequality.org/Resources/Injustice_Latino_englishversion.pdf

Transgender Latinas' stories reveal how much intolerance they still endure

Facing poverty and with no support network, some Latina transwomen turn to the streets to survive

In downtown Manhattan same sex marriages have become beautifully normal. No longer are they celebrated for their rarity, they are simply celebrated as any wedding is: in whatever manner the couple wants.
Go only five or 10 miles away, to the poorer parts of New York City, and things are dramatically different.
In these communities many LGBT people face an abusive environment. Getting married to someone of the same sex is almost unimaginable. Instead, the LGBT community is still fighting a more primary battle – for basic acceptance of their identities, and to convince their families and friends to let them remain a part of their communities.
One of those neighborhoods is Jackson Heights, a mostly Latino working-class community in Queens where I have spent time documenting a portion of the trans community. (https://www.flickr.com/photos/arnade/sets/72157631604087600/)
At five in the morning I sat in a Jackson Heights corner coffee shop talking to a drunk man who was in the process of paying for sex. His pants pockets were turned out (making little rabbit ears) and empty, and Shakira sat on his lap, counting a stack of ten-dollar bills. She was wearing a red wig, faux-fur jacket, tight leggings, and gaudy high heals. The total money was $200, half of which was the up-front payment for services. The other half was to cover the cab and four hours in a motel room.
When she finished counting, Shakira got up, grabbed her tea, and went to the bathroom. "I need to adjust my dick," she said.
The drunk man looked at me and said, "She is sexy woman. I love all these women. They are my lovelies."
Shakira and her friends start work every morning at four o'clock because that's when the bars close. She told me, "Men are drunk, and they can forget that they are married, they can forget that they think being gay is wrong, they can remember what their bodies really want them to do."
After Shakira left with her client, Jessica took her seat. "At this time, the men are so drunk they can kiss me and still pretend they are not gay."
Claudia, dabbing makeup on her face across the table, added, "Hispanic men have to be all macho. Being gay is a no-no. This late, perhaps nobody will know, not their families. Even they can pretend."
The women who work these streets all come from similar backgrounds. Almost every one of them has fled a strict religious environment that viewed their desires as sins rather than as identity choices. Their stories are often harrowing: abused for being gay or trans, accused of being sinners, forced to leave home to survive.
Ostracized and abused they face staggering odds. One study (http://www.transequality.org/Resources/Injustice_Latino_englishversion.pdf) of Latino transgender people found that they face extreme poverty at a rate double that of the average transgender person, five times the general Latino population and seven times that rate for all of the US.
Facing poverty and with no support network they come to the streets and do the only work they can find.
Valarie, 21, is typical of the women who work in Jackson Heights: they almost all come from very modest backgrounds and from places where being gay, let alone trans, is not only shunned, but considered a mortal sin. Most of them knew they were different early.
“I was born gay, knew it since I popped out of my mother," Valarie told me. "She is Dominican, my father Italian. Both are very religious and didn't want to hear anything about my tendencies."
"At seventeen I came out, told them I was a woman and was going to live my life as one," she continued. "They threw me out of the house that day. I haven’t talked to my dad since. I am starting to connect back with my mom, but she still looks down on me."
"My birth name? I can’t even say it without crying. I am not that person anymore and I don’t ever want to think about it."
“But,” she said, "I have no regrets. None. You can’t regret being honest with yourself and others. I don’t care if people think what I do for work is disgusting. I am finally me, finally at peace with being a woman. That is all I need to be happy."
Desire, from Jamaica, knew at the age of six that she was a woman given the wrong body. "My dad hated who I was," she said. "Jamaicans hate fags." It took her until the age of sixteen – when she went to jail – for her to finally feel comfortable with who she was.
Few of the men paying for sex admit to me – or according to the women, themselves – that they were anything but straight. Like the women who gathered to sell sex, most of them are poor and almost every one of them grew up religious. Were their attractions (or these transactions) discovered by their families or friends, they would almost certainly face the same discrimination and ostracization the women had already experienced.
The far more progressive attitudes of downtown Manhattan mirror much of the current attitudes in the wealthier – and less religious – parts of the US. In those areas, you can almost be convinced that the move towards full equal rights for the LGBT community is inevitable.
Until you go to some poorer neighborhoods. Until you go to religious neighborhoods.
Then you will see that the ugly past isn’t all past. It’s very much alive, very much real, and still very much ugly.


http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/18/transgender-latina-women-sex-work-intolerance

amberskyi
05-19-2014, 02:51 AM
"Excuse me while I adjust my dick"?? Seriously? This article is ridiculous.
The whole transsexual prostitution angle gets old and is lazy sensational journalism. More forention needs to be paid to real trans issues that get completely ignored for crap like this.

sukumvit boy
05-19-2014, 05:05 AM
Sad documentary on the perils of the street walker.
When I last lived in NYC in the late 80's Jackson Heights was noted as a heavily South East Asian community. Lots of Thai and Vietnamese expats.
Don't know what it's like now.

BBaggins06
05-19-2014, 05:44 AM
"Excuse me while I adjust my dick"?? Seriously? This article is ridiculous.
The whole transsexual prostitution angle gets old and is lazy sensational journalism. More forention needs to be paid to real trans issues that get completely ignored for crap like this.

That article pretty much hit every one of Calpernia Addams' "Bad Questions to Ask a TS" YouTube video ...

giovanni_hotel
05-19-2014, 05:52 AM
"Excuse me while I adjust my dick"?? Seriously? This article is ridiculous.
The whole transsexual prostitution angle gets old and is lazy sensational journalism. More forention needs to be paid to real trans issues that get completely ignored for crap like this.


Yup, TS calling their clients gay...another TS saying she was born gay!!??

So much confusion.

nysprod
05-19-2014, 07:12 AM
"Excuse me while I adjust my dick"?? Seriously? This article is ridiculous.
The whole transsexual prostitution angle gets old and is lazy sensational journalism. More forention needs to be paid to real trans issues that get completely ignored for crap like this.

I'm really surprised at your lack of sensitivity...you're not latin, you don't get the culural/religious/socio-economic issues


Yup, TS calling their clients gay...another TS saying she was born gay!!??

So much confusion.

You're so scared of the g word, you're exactly what the girl Claudia is talking about.

amberskyi
05-19-2014, 08:12 AM
Yup, TS calling their clients gay...another TS saying she was born gay!!??

So much confusion.
I've kinda noticed that the whole "I'm a woman" attitude is more typical in the the US and Europe.In allot of other countries the ts girls consider themselves a third gender or just gay.


I'm really surprised at your lack of sensitivity...you're not latin, you don't get the culural/religious/socio-economic issues



You're so scared of the g word, you're exactly what the girl Claudia is talking about.

My family is from West Africa so I do understand coming from a very male dominant, religious and conservative culture. I'm very sympathetic to what some of those girls are going through.
My problem is with the article and maybe indirectly its author. In my opnion it came off as exploitive and sensational with shocking (and irrelevant) quotes like , "let me fix my dick". To me the article was basically saying 'look at these odd, sad disadvantage sexualized taboo creatures, they deserve our sympathy'.
The problem with the group of people this article addresses is one of proverty, race and a very specific immigrant culture. Its not indicative to the common trans experience in the US.

giovanni_hotel
05-19-2014, 12:38 PM
If you research his other projects, the photo-journalist's interests and inclinations seem more directed towards exposing deviance and the underbelly of American poverty and the sexual/drug counterculture.

He has a special preoccupation with drug addicts, the extreme poor and prostitution.

No one is afraid of the gay word, but when a TS in the U.S. calls herself a gay man, I think the journalist should be more specific if this person is less transgendered and more in the transvestite/CD identification.

There are many gay men who like to present themselves as women but totally identify as men.


I see young gay boys all the time in D.C. who love to wear makeup and lipstick, but it's totally withing a gay male presentation and gender bending.

They aren't conflicted about their sexuality.

I agree with Amber his whole slant does take on the air of exploitation...look at his quotes.

nysprod
05-19-2014, 01:46 PM
I've kinda noticed that the whole "I'm a woman" attitude is more typical in the the US and Europe.In allot of other countries the ts girls consider themselves a third gender or just gay.

My family is from West Africa so I do understand coming from a very male dominant, religious and conservative culture. I'm very sympathetic to what some of those girls are going through.

My problem is with the article and maybe indirectly its author. In my opnion it came off as exploitive and sensational with shocking (and irrelevant) quotes like , "let me fix my dick". To me the article was basically saying 'look at these odd, sad disadvantage sexualized taboo creatures, they deserve our sympathy'.

The problem with the group of people this article addresses is one of proverty, race and a very specific immigrant culture. Its not indicative to the common trans experience in the US.

What's the common trans experience in the U.S.?


If you research his other projects, the photo-journalist's interests and inclinations seem more directed towards exposing deviance and the underbelly of American poverty and the sexual/drug counterculture. He has a special preoccupation with drug addicts, the extreme poor and prostitution.

So what's wrong with that? I want to know about it.


No one is afraid of the gay word, but when a TS in the U.S. calls herself a gay man, I think the journalist should be more specific if this person is less transgendered and more in the transvestite/CD identification.

Identified for whose benefit? The benefit is for guys like us who want to have sex with "people who present as female, with varying degrees of success, that have a penis."


There are many gay men who like to present themselves as women but totally identify as men. I see young gay boys all the time in D.C. who love to wear makeup and lipstick, but it's totally withing a gay male presentation and gender bending. They aren't conflicted about their sexuality.

You talked with everyone of them or you did a survey with a regression analysis to come to this conclusion?


I agree with Amber his whole slant does take on the air of exploitation...look at his quotes.

You can't cover this topic without having it look like exploitation...but for it to be exploitation you have to say he victimized them for someone's benefit, so who benefited? Not his (or he did a poor job of it) because it it were for his benefit he would have called the article "The Transsexuals of New York," since like 99% of the rest of the world has no clue where Queens is.

giovanni_hotel
05-19-2014, 06:09 PM
If you want to cover the phenomena of transsexualism and the one place you start and finish is with prostitutes, you're exploiting general stereotypes about TS for page views.

It's not the subject, it's his source material.

Like if I wanted to examine the subject of sexual abuse among women and ONLY interviewed strippers. What's really the main topic?? Abuse survivors?? Or strippers??

Once sex becomes a main element of an essay or story, it has way of dominating the subject matter.

You're exploiting the stated subject of your piece to promote a sex angle.

amberskyi
05-19-2014, 06:29 PM
What's the common trans experience in the U.S.?

In the US I would have to say its not sex work for sure.
Due to my roommate and my own socializations I meet an incredible number of ts woman (trust me when i say INCREDIBLE lol).I would say that the majority of them seem to have careers or jobs.
This is irrelevant to this article but i will also say I meet more ts woman who date other woman instead of men and I would also say that the majority of woman I meet transition later in life (mid 20's to 40's).
Now when it comes to ts woman of color I do notice an increase in woman who engage in prostitution.I believe that the reasons why that is are very complex but includes a mixture of trans/homophobia, culture, education and poverty.
I want to state again that prostitution while a problem is not the normative trans experience in the US.



Identified for whose benefit? The benefit is for guys like us who want to have sex with "people who present as female, with varying degrees of success, that have a penis."
For the benefit of the public. So that the average citizen knows how to address and not offend ts woman or other people with gender variations. Information is the key to understanding and acceptance.
I personally find it offensive when people confuse me as some kind of gay or third gender because myself and my family simply identify me as a woman.







You can't cover this topic without having it look like exploitation...but for it to be exploitation you have to say he victimized them for someone's benefit, so who benefited? Not his (or he did a poor job of it) because it it were for his benefit he would have called the article "The Transsexuals of New York," since like 99% of the rest of the world has no clue where Queens is.
Well obviously the benefit would be for himself and the publication he works for. That is the goal of publications after all, to make you read them lol. Lets not forget that "news" is still a business.
There is a way to talk about ts issues without sensationalizing and sexualizing our bodies. I will again use the quote "I need to adjust my dick" as the perfect example of this exploitation. What purpose did it serve other than to shock? We already knew the woman he was writing about were born male.
Janet Mock recently did an interview in which she felt offended because of instead of focusing on her memoir and the issues she needed to address they asked awkward questions about her body and her interactions with men.
Often times the physical and sexual aspects of the ts experience eclipse the issues that really need to be talked about.Why? because thats what people find more interesting and reporters know that.

nysprod
05-19-2014, 06:44 PM
If you want to cover the phenomena of transsexualism and the one place you start and finish is with prostitutes, you're exploiting general stereotypes about TS for page views.

It's not the subject, it's his source material.

Like if I wanted to examine the subject of sexual abuse among women and ONLY interviewed strippers. What's really the main topic?? Abuse survivors?? Or strippers??

Once sex becomes a main element of an essay or story, it has way of dominating the subject matter.

You're exploiting the stated subject of your piece to promote a sex angle.

So one can never cover or write about this topic? It's out there, it's happening...the guy went out and did the grunge work of getting into the streets and getting a story.

Anyway, if you're so concerned about exploitation stop looking at porn.


In the US I would have to say its not sex work for sure.
Due to my roommate and my own socializations I meet an incredible number of ts woman (trust me when i say INCREDIBLE lol).I would say that the majority of them seem to have careers or jobs.
This is irrelevant to this article but i will also say I meet more ts woman who date other woman instead of men and I would also say that the majority of woman I meet transition later in life (mid 20's to 40's).
Now when it comes to ts woman of color I do notice an increase in woman who engage in prostitution.I believe that the reasons why that is are very complex but includes a mixture of trans/homophobia, culture, education and poverty.
I want to state again that prostitution while a problem is not the normative trans experience in the US.



For the benefit of the public. So that the average citizen knows how to address and not offend ts woman or other people with gender variations. Information is the key to understanding and acceptance.
I personally find it offensive when people confuse me as some kind of gay or third gender because myself and my family simply identify me as a woman.







Well obviously the benefit would be for himself and the publication he works for. That is the goal of publications after all, to make you read them lol. Lets not forget that "news" is still a business.
There is a way to talk about ts issues without sensationalizing and sexualizing our bodies. I will again use the quote "I need to adjust my dick" as the perfect example of this exploitation. What purpose did it serve other than to shock? We already knew the woman he was writing about were born male.
Janet Mock recently did an interview in which she felt offended because of instead of focusing on her memoir and the issues she needed to address they asked awkward questions about her body and her interactions with men.
Often times the physical and sexual aspects of the ts experience eclipse the issues that really need to be talked about.Why? because thats what people find more interesting and reporters know that.

Prostitution and other types of sex work are an aspect of the transgender world...obviously not the only part, but he chose to cover this topic. There have been plenty of recent articles about other aspects of the transgender experience, but you can't keep this buried just because you don't like it.