Hamdan vs Rumsfeld USSC ( YES ! )

[White_Male_Canada]

http://www.supremecourtus.gov/opinions/05pdf/05-184.pdf

[houstonshemalefan]

http://www.supremecourtus.gov/opinions/05pdf/05-184.pdf

And I'm sure they'll all do the same when they capture our troops just as they did when they flew planes into the WTC and Pentagon. Just as they did when they kidnapped and slaughtered the two US soldiers standing guard at a checkpoint, just as they have done with the numerous contractors who have paid with their life for helping rebuild both nations.

Give me a break, these guys don't deserve any rights, especially Ossama! You left-wing liberals will be the reason another terroist attack occurs - as soon as a liberal president is elected and he puts his pansies in office, they'll stop securing our boarders, cracking down on terrorists, and BOOM, we'll have another 9/11!!!

[scroller]

There are definitely some innocent people being held and tortured in Guantanamo. If I'm wrong, prove it to a judge, shouldn't be too hard if they're as heinous as Bin Laden?

[InHouston]

:screwy Weenie Democrat nonsense.

In WWII, enemy combatants and insurgents were lined up against a wall and shot in public ... uh ... by American soldiers. Gitmo, and the insurgency problem in Iraq both exist because of all the friggin whining about human rights for people who aren't even American citizens. Nancy Pelosi, and other Democrats, are clear examples of the kind of wimp-shit that happens when you have pussys in charge of or influencing something like war. So, is this really about human rights, or the Bush Administration? I think it's the latter. If the Bush Administration found a cure for cancer, you’d make sure the FDA would ban it.

If you gave a real rat’s ass about human rights, then you should also hold your country accountable for all the enemy combatants publicly executed, and left for dead by the roadside, by American Soldiers in Germany. But no, you don't care about them do you? It’s only an issue when Bush’s thumbprint is on it. And because we didn't put up with that shit back in WWII, none of us in America are speaking German under the Nazi Party rule are we?

Gitmo persists because of the Democrats, and now the Democrats want to give them equal rights under the law. Now you’re going to take a problem like Gitmo, and perpetuate it through the country’s courts and the millions of dollars that will cost. There are over 2,500 American soldiers killed in Iraq, largely whom were killed by insurgents, not during major combat operations during the invasion. If we regularly lined these bastards up and shot them in public in front of all the Iraqi’s, they’d quit coming out of their rat holes in droves. This whole mess is awash with the stench of political correctness demanded by weenie liberals who aren’t even fighting the war.

You want the war, and the insurgency problem, and Gitmo to end? The solution is simple. KILL!

Get a clue people.

[InHouston]

There are definitely some innocent people being held and tortured in Guantanamo. If I'm wrong, prove it to a judge, shouldn't be too hard if they're as heinous as Bin Laden?

You're so sweet and thoughtful. And those same bastards would have no qualms about cutting your head off and swinging it on camera by your locks of hair over the Internet for the whole world to see.

[Whitey]

LMAO @ a conservative on a transsexual website. They'd stone you for that.

But you are right, liberals are pansies, same as conservatives are dickheads.

Libertarian is the way to go, and in the United States, people are either going to be prosecuted as civilians (nope, not this time) or as war criminals (none of that either, says Bush). Saying that the other side would torture us doesn't give us the right to do it to them. Funny how morals can get lost so quickly, especially among those on the right.

[GroobySteven]

LMAO @ a conservative on a transsexual website. They'd stone you for that.

But you are right, liberals are pansies, same as conservatives are dickheads.

Libertarian is the way to go, and in the United States, people are either going to be prosecuted as civilians (nope, not this time) or as war criminals (none of that either, says Bush). Saying that the other side would torture us doesn't give us the right to do it to them. Funny how morals can get lost so quickly, especially among those on the right.

Well said. Just more right wing racist conservatives selling fear to push their own agendas (and nobody to stand up to them).
Why does it have to be softie liberals and nutty conservatives? How about somebody finds some middle ground that can appeal to the more sensible side of the populace? What's that I hear? Gay marriage? Abortion issues? Creation theory? Oh yeah, that's why we're fucked.

seanchai

[specialk]

http://www.supremecourtus.gov/opinions/05pdf/05-184.pdf

Congatulations my white pinhead pal from canada on your latest non-sequitur post :claps

The recent Supreme court decision hasn't got a damn thing to do with Bib scummo and the other shitheads pictured in your post...way to go :P

[White_Male_Canada]

http://www.supremecourtus.gov/opinions/05pdf/05-184.pdf

Congatulations my white pinhead pal from canada on your latest non-sequitur post

The recent Supreme court decision hasn't got a damn thing to do with Bib scummo and the other shitheads pictured in your post...way to go



If OBL`s personal bodyguard and driver gets tried in civil courts then what makes you think OBL , who face is clearly in that picture, if caught alive would not get the same "rights" granted to him by the USSC as it just gave to his personal bodyguard/driver .

[chefmike]

There are over 2,500 American soldiers killed in Iraq, largely whom were killed by insurgents, not during major combat operations during the invasion. If we regularly lined these bastards up and shot them in public in front of all the Iraqi’s, they’d quit coming out of their rat holes in droves. This whole mess is awash with the stench of political correctness demanded by weenie liberals who aren’t even fighting the war.

And these 2,500+ American citizens (and that doesn't even include the horribly injured and the fatalities from other nations) gave their lives for what?

The 9/11 conspirators were from Iraq?

The WMD hoax?

That bad man Saddam who tried (supposedly) to kill shrubya's daddy?

The neo-cons who abandoned Afghanistan, without capturing OBL, in favor of their plans for invading Iraq?

We thought that it would be a good idea, because creating "insurgents" and recruiting more terrorists bolsters the neo-con agenda?

Halliburton needed to expand it's market?

We wanted cheaper gas?

Or was it the fact that the neo-con scum who engineered this lie are all draft-dodging chicken-hawks, and it makes them feel better about that?

Talk amongst yourselves...

[White_Male_Canada]

There are over 2,500 American soldiers killed in Iraq, largely whom were killed by insurgents, not during major combat operations during the invasion. If we regularly lined these bastards up and shot them in public in front of all the Iraqi’s, they’d quit coming out of their rat holes in droves. This whole mess is awash with the stench of political correctness demanded by weenie liberals who aren’t even fighting the war.

And these 2,500+ American citizens (and that doesn't even include the horribly injured and the fatalities from other nations) gave their lives for what?

The 9/11 conspirators were from Iraq?

The WMD hoax?

That bad man Saddam who tried (supposedly) to kill shrubya's daddy?

The neo-cons who abandoned Afghanistan, without capturing OBL, in favor of their plans for invading Iraq?

We thought that it would be a good idea, because creating "insurgents" and recruiting more terrorists bolsters the neo-con agenda?

Halliburton needed to expand it's market?

We wanted cheaper gas?

Or was it the fact that the neo-con scum who engineered this lie are all draft-dodging chicken-hawks, and it makes them feel better about that?


Uh,the US Armed Forces are all volunteer. Sheesh what a dufus.

Al-qaeda attacked the USA. Al-Zarqawi was a member of AQ,and fled Afghanistan into Iraq where he received medical attention in a Baghdad hospital with Hussien`s full knowledge and blessing.

Translated documents available for all to read prove Saddam`s IIS trained over 7000 foreign terrorists.

Over 500 sarin and mustard wmds have been recovered,so far. Mustard gas has a shelf life of about 100 years.Care to enter a sealed room with one and allow us to crack it open while you deeply inhale to prove they "don`t count" ?

The rest of your rant is fallacious and a boring exercise in otioseness that requires no attention.

[White_Male_Canada]

:screwy Weenie Democrat nonsense.

In WWII, enemy combatants and insurgents were lined up against a wall and shot in public ... uh ... by American soldiers. Gitmo, and the insurgency problem in Iraq both exist because of all the friggin whining about human rights for people who aren't even American citizens. Nancy Pelosi, and other Democrats, are clear examples of the kind of wimp-shit that happens when you have pussys in charge of or influencing something like war. So, is this really about human rights, or the Bush Administration? I think it's the latter. If the Bush Administration found a cure for cancer, you’d make sure the FDA would ban it.

If you gave a real rat’s ass about human rights, then you should also hold your country accountable for all the enemy combatants publicly executed, and left for dead by the roadside, by American Soldiers in Germany. But no, you don't care about them do you? It’s only an issue when Bush’s thumbprint is on it. And because we didn't put up with that shit back in WWII, none of us in America are speaking German under the Nazi Party rule are we?

Gitmo persists because of the Democrats, and now the Democrats want to give them equal rights under the law. Now you’re going to take a problem like Gitmo, and perpetuate it through the country’s courts and the millions of dollars that will cost. There are over 2,500 American soldiers killed in Iraq, largely whom were killed by insurgents, not during major combat operations during the invasion. If we regularly lined these bastards up and shot them in public in front of all the Iraqi’s, they’d quit coming out of their rat holes in droves. This whole mess is awash with the stench of political correctness demanded by weenie liberals who aren’t even fighting the war.

You want the war, and the insurgency problem, and Gitmo to end? The solution is simple. KILL!

Get a clue people.

Illegal enemy combatants ARE NOT covered by the GC`s,PERIOD.

[specialk]

http://www.supremecourtus.gov/opinions/05pdf/05-184.pdf

Congatulations my white pinhead pal from canada on your latest non-sequitur post

The recent Supreme court decision hasn't got a damn thing to do with Bib scummo and the other shitheads pictured in your post...way to go



If OBL`s personal bodyguard and driver gets tried in civil courts then what makes you think OBL , who face is clearly in that picture, if caught alive would not get the same "rights" granted to him by the USSC as it just gave to his personal bodyguard/driver .


News flash>>>>>>> the Recent supreme court ruling only applies to person still living!!!!! Everyone pictured in your post is DEAD...MORT!!!, except for 1 Bin Scummo.

I would be willing to bet your worthless life he will not be captured alive. However, if he is captured alive he will be given the same rights afforded Sadam Hussein.............He will be charged with the murder of over 3000 Americans....will be tried in a court...found guilty ..and executed on the Mall in Washington on the 4th of July, right next to you..........Happy 4th..... fuck!

Keep up the great non sequitur posts....we luv 'em :wink:

[chefmike]

There are over 2,500 American soldiers killed in Iraq, largely whom were killed by insurgents, not during major combat operations during the invasion. If we regularly lined these bastards up and shot them in public in front of all the Iraqi’s, they’d quit coming out of their rat holes in droves. This whole mess is awash with the stench of political correctness demanded by weenie liberals who aren’t even fighting the war.

And these 2,500+ American citizens (and that doesn't even include the horribly injured and the fatalities from other nations) gave their lives for what?

The 9/11 conspirators were from Iraq?

The WMD hoax?

That bad man Saddam who tried (supposedly) to kill shrubya's daddy?

The neo-cons who abandoned Afghanistan, without capturing OBL, in favor of their plans for invading Iraq?

We thought that it would be a good idea, because creating "insurgents" and recruiting more terrorists bolsters the neo-con agenda?

Halliburton needed to expand it's market?

We wanted cheaper gas?

Or was it the fact that the neo-con scum who engineered this lie are all draft-dodging chicken-hawks, and it makes them feel better about that?


Uh,the US Armed Forces are all volunteer. Sheesh what a dufus.



No shit...I'm a vet, unlike you, who probably couldn't even pass muster in the Boy Scouts...

And the fact is that the neo-con scum who led the chimp-in-chief into this big lie all avoided military service...when there was a draft, pilgram...

As for the rest of your rant, it's the same neo-con propaganda that has been disproven time and time again...

As specialk said....happy 4th, fuckface...this is a fun weekend...far too nice to waste on reading your tiresome bullshit....

[White_Male_Canada]

There are over 2,500 American soldiers killed in Iraq, largely whom were killed by insurgents, not during major combat operations during the invasion. If we regularly lined these bastards up and shot them in public in front of all the Iraqi’s, they’d quit coming out of their rat holes in droves. This whole mess is awash with the stench of political correctness demanded by weenie liberals who aren’t even fighting the war.

And these 2,500+ American citizens (and that doesn't even include the horribly injured and the fatalities from other nations) gave their lives for what?

The 9/11 conspirators were from Iraq?

The WMD hoax?

That bad man Saddam who tried (supposedly) to kill shrubya's daddy?

The neo-cons who abandoned Afghanistan, without capturing OBL, in favor of their plans for invading Iraq?

We thought that it would be a good idea, because creating "insurgents" and recruiting more terrorists bolsters the neo-con agenda?

Halliburton needed to expand it's market?

We wanted cheaper gas?

Or was it the fact that the neo-con scum who engineered this lie are all draft-dodging chicken-hawks, and it makes them feel better about that?


Uh,the US Armed Forces are all volunteer. Sheesh what a dufus.



No shit...I'm a vet, unlike you, who probably couldn't even pass muster in the Boy Scouts...


As for the rest of your rant, it's the same neo-con propaganda that has been disproven time and time again...



Care to post both your complete dd-214 and sf-180 ? Or do you walk like jean pierre kerri and refuse. Regardless, a potato beetle bailey peeler discharge`s opinion on foreign policy carries no more weight than any other person`s opinion. The only difference being beetle bailey flunkies are carrying a self-loathing that projects itself onto the armerd forces and his own country. So in fact, your opinions are less than worthless.

Care to disprove the 500 containers of Sarin and Mustard gas found,so far?

You left wing looney-kazooneys just keep plugging your ears with your fingers,close your eyes and yell "la-la-la no wmds no wmds" as the world just,passes you by. You`re hilariously irrelevant.

:lol:

[White_Male_Canada]

http://www.supremecourtus.gov/opinions/05pdf/05-184.pdf

Congatulations my white pinhead pal from canada on your latest non-sequitur post

The recent Supreme court decision hasn't got a damn thing to do with Bib scummo and the other shitheads pictured in your post...way to go



If OBL`s personal bodyguard and driver gets tried in civil courts then what makes you think OBL , who face is clearly in that picture, if caught alive would not get the same "rights" granted to him by the USSC as it just gave to his personal bodyguard/driver .


News flash>>>>>>> the Recent supreme court ruling only applies to person still living!!!!! Everyone pictured in your post is DEAD...MORT!!!, except for 1 Bin Scummo.

I would be willing to bet your worthless life he will not be captured alive. However, if he is captured alive he will be given the same rights afforded Sadam Hussein.............He will be charged with the murder of over 3000 Americans....will be tried in a court...found guilty ..and executed on the Mall in Washington on the 4th of July, right next to you

Being blissfully ignorant of how you contradict yourself in your own posts can be the only reason why you feel no sense of shame or embarrassment at your own stupidity.

According to most OBL is in either Pakistan of Afghanistan,not Iraq. So if caught OBL will be tried in an Iraqi court in the same exact manner as Hussein and be given rights according to Iraqi law? Or are you saying OBL is in Iraq? Or are you stating OBL will be tried in the USA according to Iraqi laws?

[specialk]

http://www.supremecourtus.gov/opinions/05pdf/05-184.pdf

Congatulations my white pinhead pal from canada on your latest non-sequitur post

The recent Supreme court decision hasn't got a damn thing to do with Bib scummo and the other shitheads pictured in your post...way to go



If OBL`s personal bodyguard and driver gets tried in civil courts then what makes you think OBL , who face is clearly in that picture, if caught alive would not get the same "rights" granted to him by the USSC as it just gave to his personal bodyguard/driver .


News flash>>>>>>> the Recent supreme court ruling only applies to person still living!!!!! Everyone pictured in your post is DEAD...MORT!!!, except for 1 Bin Scummo.

I would be willing to bet your worthless life he will not be captured alive. However, if he is captured alive he will be given the same rights afforded Sadam Hussein.............He will be charged with the murder of over 3000 Americans....will be tried in a court...found guilty ..and executed on the Mall in Washington on the 4th of July, right next to you

Being blissfully ignorant of how you contradict yourself in your own posts can be the only reason why you feel no sense of shame or embarrassment at your own stupidity.

According to most OBL is in either Pakistan of Afghanistan,not Iraq. So if caught OBL will be tried in an Iraqi court in the same exact manner as Hussein and be given rights according to Iraqi law? Or are you saying OBL is in Iraq? Or are you stating OBL will be tried in the USA according to Iraqi laws?

THAT'S IT?????? THAT'S ALL YOU GOT???? PINFUCKIN HEAD!!!..............ALL YOU CAN MUSTER IS A FEABLE ATTEMPT TO PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH?????................. :smh :smh

YOUR SHIT IS WEAK, I'M DISAPOINTED, YOU COULDN'T EVEN POST SOME NEO-CON DRIBBLE, YOUR FORTE'..........ON YOUR OWN YOU GOT NUTTIN' DIPSTICK.

I'M GOING TO HAVE TO TURN YOU IN TO THE NEO-CON MASOCHIST SOCIETY....KISS YOUR CARD GOOD BYE PINHEAD. THEY WON'T BE HAPPY THAT THEY HAVE TO REPLACE YOU SO SOON.

ARE YOU FEELING ALRIGHT??? MAYBE YOUR DOWN IN THE DUMPS WITH THE MUMPS, IN YOUR ADOLESCENT PUMPS(SORRY BRUCE)????.......NO WONDER YOUR GUZZLIN' THE PINK STUFF CONSTANTLY!!!GEESH...HOPE YOUR ON THE MEND SOON.....NNNOOOOOTTTTTTTT!!!!!!! :lol: :lol:

[specialk]

There are over 2,500 American soldiers killed in Iraq, largely whom were killed by insurgents, not during major combat operations during the invasion. If we regularly lined these bastards up and shot them in public in front of all the Iraqi’s, they’d quit coming out of their rat holes in droves. This whole mess is awash with the stench of political correctness demanded by weenie liberals who aren’t even fighting the war.

And these 2,500+ American citizens (and that doesn't even include the horribly injured and the fatalities from other nations) gave their lives for what?

The 9/11 conspirators were from Iraq?

The WMD hoax?

That bad man Saddam who tried (supposedly) to kill shrubya's daddy?

The neo-cons who abandoned Afghanistan, without capturing OBL, in favor of their plans for invading Iraq?

We thought that it would be a good idea, because creating "insurgents" and recruiting more terrorists bolsters the neo-con agenda?

Halliburton needed to expand it's market?

We wanted cheaper gas?

Or was it the fact that the neo-con scum who engineered this lie are all draft-dodging chicken-hawks, and it makes them feel better about that?


Uh,the US Armed Forces are all volunteer. Sheesh what a dufus.



No shit...I'm a vet, unlike you, who probably couldn't even pass muster in the Boy Scouts...


As for the rest of your rant, it's the same neo-con propaganda that has been disproven time and time again...



Care to post both your complete dd-214 and sf-180 ? Or do you walk like jean pierre kerri and refuse. Regardless, a potato beetle bailey peeler discharge`s opinion on foreign policy carries no more weight than any other person`s opinion. The only difference being beetle bailey flunkies are carrying a self-loathing that projects itself onto the armerd forces and his own country. So in fact, your opinions are less than worthless.

Care to disprove the 500 containers of Sarin and Mustard gas found,so far?

You left wing looney-kazooneys just keep plugging your ears with your fingers,close your eyes and yell "la-la-la no wmds no wmds" as the world just,passes you by. You`re hilariously irrelevant.

:lol:

chef, allow me to pinch hit here, I know your busy partying and working the barbecue all day. By the way can I get that recipe for canadian pinhead kabobs off ya?

Anyway, it was really kind of you pinhead to post that 1983 pic of WMD'S the ones on the left were a gift from Don rumsfeld, and to my surprize, it appears the Russians were in on it to from the viles in the middle of the pic. At least you could do is find a pic with WMD'S packaged with Arabic or Farsi script..........duh!!!!!!!!! :lol:

ps: chef i'm going out of town for a few days, so handle my light work for me K?

[White_Male_Canada]

http://www.supremecourtus.gov/opinions/05pdf/05-184.pdf

Congatulations my white pinhead pal from canada on your latest non-sequitur post

The recent Supreme court decision hasn't got a damn thing to do with Bib scummo and the other shitheads pictured in your post...way to go



If OBL`s personal bodyguard and driver gets tried in civil courts then what makes you think OBL , who face is clearly in that picture, if caught alive would not get the same "rights" granted to him by the USSC as it just gave to his personal bodyguard/driver .


News flash>>>>>>> the Recent supreme court ruling only applies to person still living!!!!! Everyone pictured in your post is DEAD...MORT!!!, except for 1 Bin Scummo.

I would be willing to bet your worthless life he will not be captured alive. However, if he is captured alive he will be given the same rights afforded Sadam Hussein.............He will be charged with the murder of over 3000 Americans....will be tried in a court...found guilty ..and executed on the Mall in Washington on the 4th of July, right next to you

Being blissfully ignorant of how you contradict yourself in your own posts can be the only reason why you feel no sense of shame or embarrassment at your own stupidity.

According to most OBL is in either Pakistan of Afghanistan,not Iraq. So if caught OBL will be tried in an Iraqi court in the same exact manner as Hussein and be given rights according to Iraqi law? Or are you saying OBL is in Iraq? Or are you stating OBL will be tried in the USA according to Iraqi laws?



You`re absolutely right .It says Made in the USA all over those Sarin containers. :lol:

And that photo must have been taken in the 1980`s, even though it`s evidence from the libertaion of Iraq.

So, let`s add that to the pile too. We have tons of yellow cake uranium at Al-Tuwaitha,over 500 containers of Sarin and Mustard gas ( to date and a violation of 1441) , over 1.5 tons of highly enriched uranium,we have documented evidence from Saddam`s own IIS that prove he trained aproximately 7000 foreign terrorists,we know Saddam harboured terrorists fleeing from Afghanistan (Zarqawi), Ramsy Yosef was given an Iraqi passport when he and his gang entered the USA to detonate a truck bomb in the parking of the WTC ,etc,etc.

Read it,learn it,live it,lose in November 8)

WASHINGTON, June 29, 2006 – The 500 munitions discovered throughout Iraq since 2003 and discussed in a National Ground Intelligence Center report meet the criteria of weapons of mass destruction, the center's commander said here today.
"These are chemical weapons as defined under the Chemical Weapons Convention, and yes ... they do constitute weapons of mass destruction," Army Col. John Chu told the House Armed Services Committee.
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Jun2006/20060629_5547.html



Yeah nice pic,except that was the past.We have no permanent allies,only permanent interests.

Protest,deny,ignore all you like. In fact protest harder,makes you looney-kazoonies seem insane. Better for the vote come November. What`s the radical left gonna do,scream no wmds,in complete denial of reality, like you? Here`s hoping because multiply this by a million and imagine the DNC trying in vain what you`ve weakly attempted here in microcosm. You`re the permanent minority because you leftists still claim marxism works if tried properly and you still cling to the big lie of saddam having no connection to terrorism and absolutely no wmds. November is gonna be sweet. 8)

[scroller]

Care to disprove the 500 containers of Sarin and Mustard gas found,so far?

Sure, that's easy, too.


They probably would have been intended for chemical attacks during the Iran-Iraq War, said David Kay, who headed the U.S. weapons-hunting team in Iraq from 2003 until early 2004.

He said experts on Iraq's chemical weapons are in "almost 100 percent agreement" that sarin nerve agent produced from the 1980s would no longer be dangerous.

"It is less toxic than most things that Americans have under their kitchen sink at this point," Kay said.

And any of Iraq's 1980s-era mustard would produce burns, but it is unlikely to be lethal, Kay said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060623/ap_on_go_co/iraq_s_weapons

[White_Male_Canada]

Care to disprove the 500 containers of Sarin and Mustard gas found,so far?

Sure, that's easy, too.


They probably would have been intended for chemical attacks during the Iran-Iraq War, said David Kay, who headed the U.S. weapons-hunting team in Iraq from 2003 until early 2004.

He said experts on Iraq's chemical weapons are in "almost 100 percent agreement" that sarin nerve agent produced from the 1980s would no longer be dangerous.

"It is less toxic than most things that Americans have under their kitchen sink at this point," Kay said.

And any of Iraq's 1980s-era mustard would produce burns, but it is unlikely to be lethal, Kay said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060623/ap_on_go_co/iraq_s_weapons

Kay fucked up as did the UN and the Big Lie of the left is now exposed. They can`t hide their tracks. Try as you might it`s too late. The left are collectively fucked this mid-term in Nov.

March 2003 UN report Iraq Weapons of Mass Destruction page 77 (Page 79 of the pdf file), paragraph 1 of the report http://www.un.org/Depts/unmovic/documents/6mar.pdf :

“ The Sulfur Mustard contained in artillery shells that had been stored for over 12 years, had been found by UNMOVIC to be still of high purity. It is possible that viable filled artillery shells and aerial bombs still remain in Iraq. "


BBC
"Our story starts 90 years ago. The Great War claimed over 15 million lives and focused on a narrow strip of land in Belgium and France.
This intense trench warfare led to constant shelling by both sides, but not every bomb fired exploded. Hundreds of thousands failed to detonate...

Every year more than 30 people are killed on the battlefields of Europe after disturbing or picking up unexploded bombs and shells.

Some of these shells contain deadly Mustard Gas and Phosgene. Chemical shells left over from World War 1 that are still as deadly as the day they were fired.

Inside the high security chemical warfare lab, bomb teams work four hour shifts inside special chemical suits as they take the gas shells apart and destroy the chemicals."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/insideout/south/series9/week_four.shtml

[thombergeron]

So, let`s add that to the pile too. We have tons of yellow cake uranium at Al-Tuwaitha,over 500 containers of Sarin and Mustard gas ( to date and a violation of 1441) , over 1.5 tons of highly enriched uranium,we have documented evidence from Saddam`s own IIS that prove he trained aproximately 7000 foreign terrorists,we know Saddam harboured terrorists fleeing from Afghanistan (Zarqawi), Ramsy Yosef was given an Iraqi passport when he and his gang entered the USA to detonate a truck bomb in the parking of the WTC ,etc,etc.

The research facility at Tuwaitha held 1.8 tons of low-enriched uranium and several tons of natural and depleted uranium. Until March 2003, it was under seal and regularly inspected by the IAEA. It was not found, because it was not hidden.

500+ artillery shells containing sarin and mustard gas were found were found by U.S. Army troops buried in the desert near the Iranian border. The declassified intelligence report documenting the discovery of these munitions speculates that they were abandoned by Iraqi troops redeploying after the end of the Iran-Iraq war in August 1988. There is no evidence that the Hussein regime maintained any record of the locations of these munitions. The shells were in a highly degraded state, and as WMD expert David Kay has pointed out, the gas was not weaponizable at this stage. Mustard gas does not have a shelf life of 100 years.

No one has found 1.5 tons of highly enriched uranium in Iraq.

There is no documentary evidence that Iraq's IIS trained foreign fighters at the Salman Pak research facility. Two Iraqi intelligence defectors have alleged that 50 to 60 foreign fighters at a time were put through a six-month training course at Salman Pak. These allegations have not yet been verified.

Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was involved wih a miltant anti-Kurdish group called Ansar al-Islam, which maintained training facilities in northeastern Iraq, near the Iranian border. Ansar controlled several villages north of the 36th parallel in an area that was not under the direct control of the Hussein government, due to Operation Northern Watch. In fact, Ansar gained control of this territory under Iranian artillery support. A 2004 CIA report stated, "There’s no conclusive evidence the Saddam Hussein regime had harbored Zarqawi."

On September 1, 1992, after leaving the Khaldan training camp in Afghanistan, Ramzi Ahmed Yousef entered the United States with a false Iraqi passport. Several months later, Yousef initiated the first World Trade Center attack. Yousef is a Pakistani born in Kuwait, and there is no evidence that he has ever entered Iraq.

[White_Male_Canada]

So, let`s add that to the pile too. We have tons of yellow cake uranium at Al-Tuwaitha,over 500 containers of Sarin and Mustard gas ( to date and a violation of 1441) , over 1.5 tons of highly enriched uranium,we have documented evidence from Saddam`s own IIS that prove he trained aproximately 7000 foreign terrorists,we know Saddam harboured terrorists fleeing from Afghanistan (Zarqawi), Ramsy Yosef was given an Iraqi passport when he and his gang entered the USA to detonate a truck bomb in the parking of the WTC ,etc,etc.

The research facility at Tuwaitha held 1.8 tons of low-enriched uranium and several tons of natural and depleted uranium. Until March 2003, it was under seal and regularly inspected by the IAEA. It was not found, because it was not hidden.

500+ artillery shells containing sarin and mustard gas were found were found by U.S. Army troops buried in the desert near the Iranian border. The declassified intelligence report documenting the discovery of these munitions speculates that they were abandoned by Iraqi troops redeploying after the end of the Iran-Iraq war in August 1988. There is no evidence that the Hussein regime maintained any record of the locations of these munitions. The shells were in a highly degraded state, and as WMD expert David Kay has pointed out, the gas was not weaponizable at this stage. Mustard gas does not have a shelf life of 100 years.

No one has found 1.5 tons of highly enriched uranium in Iraq.

There is no documentary evidence that Iraq's IIS trained foreign fighters at the Salman Pak research facility. Two Iraqi intelligence defectors have alleged that 50 to 60 foreign fighters at a time were put through a six-month training course at Salman Pak. These allegations have not yet been verified.

Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was involved wih a miltant anti-Kurdish group called Ansar al-Islam, which maintained training facilities in northeastern Iraq, near the Iranian border. Ansar controlled several villages north of the 36th parallel in an area that was not under the direct control of the Hussein government, due to Operation Northern Watch. In fact, Ansar gained control of this territory under Iranian artillery support. A 2004 CIA report stated, "There’s no conclusive evidence the Saddam Hussein regime had harbored Zarqawi."

On September 1, 1992, after leaving the Khaldan training camp in Afghanistan, Ramzi Ahmed Yousef entered the United States with a false Iraqi passport. Several months later, Yousef initiated the first World Trade Center attack. Yousef is a Pakistani born in Kuwait, and there is no evidence that he has ever entered Iraq.

Yellow cake uranium is a wmd,period. Ivan Oelrich, a physicist at the Federation of American Scientists, told the Associated Press at the time that the low-enriched uranium stockpile could have produced enough highly enriched uranium to make a single nuclear bomb.

Binary Sarin shells have an indefinite shelf life:
The most interesting discovery has been a 152mm binary Sarin artillery projectile—containing a 40 percent concentration of Sarin—which insurgents attempted to use as an Improvised Explosive Device (IED). The existence of this binary weapon not only raises questions about the number of viable chemical weapons remaining in Iraq and raises the possibility that a larger number of binary, long-lasting chemical weapons still exist. cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq_wmd_2004/chap5_annxF.html


There are liretally millions of pages of documentary evidence . Document ISGP-2003-00028868 details IIS plans to train non Iraqi Foreign Arab Terrorists in February 2003 to help the Iraqis in their war against the coalition forces. Document ISGQ-2004-00060580 is a memo that contains a direct order form Saddam Hussein in the middle of the war asking to treat the Arab Feedayeen i.e. the non Iraqi Foreign Arab Terrorists as equal as the Iraqi soldier in salary and benefits and not just any soldier but like those in the Special Forces.http://70.168.46.200/ Saddam direct connection with the Taliban/70.168.46.200/released/03-22-06/ISGP-2003-00014127.pdf,etc,etc.

Zarqawi was treated in a Baghdad hospital at the beset of the Hussiens.http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/02/05/sprj.irq.alqaeda.links/
" General Intelligence Department, which generally earns high marks for efficiency—had been trailing him ever since he left Jordanian soil for Afghanistan, and then Afghan soil for Iraq. It is from this source that we know that Zarqawi was in Baghdad at least as early as June 2002, almost a year before the invasion. Indeed, as the Senate intelligence committee report has confirmed, it was in that month that the G.I.D. contacted the Saddam Hussein regime to "inform" the Iraqis that this very dangerous fellow was on their territory. Given the absolute police-state condition of Iraq at that time, it is in any case impossible to believe that such a person was in town, so to speak, incognito." http://img.slate.com/id/2143611/

Yousef was travelling on a "clean" Iraqi passport. The IIS doesn`t hand those out to any tom dick or harry. " The two ringleaders both had connections to Iraq. The mastermind, Ramzi Ahmed Yousef, entered the U.S. on an Iraqi passport and was known to his associates as "Rashid the Iraqi." It was he who persuaded the bombers to make their target the World Trade Center. The other man, Abdul Rahman Yasin, fled to Baghdad, where, ABC News reported in 1994, he had been put on the government payroll. He is believed to be still at large in Iraq. "The majority of senior law-enforcement officers in New York believe that Iraq was involved," Jim Fox, who ran the FBI's investigation of the World Trade Center bombing" A co-conspirator boogying to Baghdad. Wall Street Journal OnlineMonday, September 24, 2001 12:01

Ain`t this November gonna be sweet 8)

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March 2003 UN report Iraq Weapons of Mass Destruction page 77 (Page 79 of the pdf file), paragraph 1 of the report http://www.un.org/Depts/unmovic/documents/6mar.pdf :


Kay's data is more recent and up-to-date than the 2003 U.N. report.

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Why's North Korea Now Not What Iraq Was Then?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marty-kaplan/whys-north-korea-now-not_b_24490.html

Whatever happened to Bush's pre-emptive war doctrine?

At his White House birthday news conference with the Canadian prime minister, W was asked what kind of threat North Korea poses. Just about everything he said about North Korea today, he could also have said about Iraq in 2002 and 2003 -- but didn't.

Today, Bush says it's difficult to tell what's really going on in a closed society like North Korea.

But back then, he was swaggeringly confident when purveying the intelligence about Iraq that proved catastrophically unreliable.

Today, Bush says it's really hard to know what's going on Kim Jung Il's mind -- we don't know his intentions. But Bush had no problem playing clairvoyant to Saddam Hussein; our presidential Great Karnak told us back then that Saddam was planning to give WMD's to Al-Qaeda for use against us.

Today, Bush says that the best way to deal with the nunclear proliferation threat posed by North Korea is to rely on the nonproliferation security initiative. But in Iraq, the best way wasn't a multinational diplomatic initiative; it was military shock and awe.

Today, Bush says our message to North Korea is, There is opportunity for you if you verifiably disarm. But when Hans Blix and teams of arms inspectors told Bush they couldn't find WMD's in Iraq, Bush's response to verifiable disarmament was to force the inspectors to leave.

Today, Bush says the best way to send a message to North Korea is to work with the United Nations. It can't be just the US trying to solve a problem, he says, reminding us that diplomacy takes a while, and that we need to take that time, work in concert with a variety of partners, and send one unified message. But back then, Bush was contemptuous of the UN, dismissed diplomacy, and instead of creating a broad international consensus with a single message, he was forced to resort to a Pontemkin coalition to camouflage his own isolation and deflect attention from the global cacophony.

So why is North Korea now different from Iraq then?

Maybe it's because there's no cockamamie neo-con cabal's domino theory to "fix" things in East Asia, like the Iraq war was going to fix things for Israel and the Middle East. Or maybe it's because North Korea has no oil. Or because we have no need for long-term military bases at the top of the Korean peninsula. Or because our armed forces are stretched so thin Iraq that it's unthinkable to task them further. Or because W's polls are so low, the only people who'd cheer a pre-emptive North Korean strike are already for him. Or because W's so pissed at Cheney that Bush is now doing the opposite of what Dick's telling him.

Or maybe it's because W actually learned something from Iraq.

(beat)

Nah.

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Why's North Korea Now Not What Iraq Was Then?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marty-kaplan/whys-north-korea-now-not_b_24490.html

Whatever happened to Bush's pre-emptive war doctrine?

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Why don`t we keep doing the same thing BJ Clinton did and give them nukes. :lol:

Ah, the polemic Fluffington Post and it`s irrelevancy in it`s weak drive by smear.

The DPRK doesn`t blink without communist China`s permission. Get the picture ? We went to war,China poured in millions of soldiers. But hey,facts never get in the way of Fluffington`s drive by.

Clinton gave DPRK nukes in 1994 and the DPRK promptly violated the much vaunted treaty, Pyongyang had operated a covert nuclear-weapons program in violation of its 1994 agreement. Under the 1994 Agreed Framework, BJ Clinton provided North Korea with the capacity to produce annually enough fissile material for nearly 100 nuclear bombs.

In 1998, Pyongyang signaled its renewed belligerence when it launched a nuclear-capable Taepodong-1 missile over Japan. It continued to enrich uranium and later withdrew from the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty. http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/012/332oamry.asp?pg=2

August 31, 1998, Pyongyang fired the Taepodong-1 missile over Japan. Three months later, U.S. officials held the first round of high-level talks in Pyongyang. North Korean leader Kim Jong Il demanded to be rewarded for ceasing his provocations. He was. The following year, U.S. Defense Secretary William Perry visited North Korea to offer normalized relations and a lifting of economic sanctions if Pyongyang froze and eventually dismantled its long-range-missile program and stopped its missile exports. On September 17, 1999, President Clinton eased sanctions against the north. Two months later, a U.S.-led consortium signed a $4.6 billion contract for two Western light-water nuclear reactors for the Stalinist police state. The Clinton administration began shipping food aid to the famine-ridden north, which Pyongyang used to grease its war machine even as ordinary citizens starved.
http://www.aei.org/events/eventID.1354,filter.all,type.past/event_detail.asp

The asinine Fluffington post is arguing one solution for every problem that arises and allow for zero deviance from that plan.Typical Stalinists that they are. The Fluffington Post is the equivalent of electronic toilet paper.


BJ Clinton, "North Korea will freeze and dismantle its nuclear program. South Korea and our allies will be better protected. The entire world will be safer as we slow the spread of nuclear weapons."
:P :lol: :P :lol: :P :lol: :P :lol: :P :lol: :P :lol: :P

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"Soooh. You dink I kan't go Boom Boom long time? I show you!! I make BIG Boom Boom. I reeel man!"

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March 2003 UN report Iraq Weapons of Mass Destruction page 77 (Page 79 of the pdf file), paragraph 1 of the report http://www.un.org/Depts/unmovic/documents/6mar.pdf :


Kay's data is more recent and up-to-date than the 2003 U.N. report.

...and in total agreement with :

Kay`s June 29nth testimony before the House Armed Services Committee

".... I think the decision to go to war against Iraq was the decision I would have taken. "

Reply to Congressman Hunter`s question as to the left`s big lie of no wmds,none, in Iraq,

Kay, "It's not accurate by my personal knowledge."

Hunter (quoting a colleague): '"We are spending billions of dollars to occupy a country that did not have ANY weapons of mass destruction."'

Kay: "That's certainly not how I would phrase it, let me say that...We all knew that in Iraq we were going to find chemical weapons.."

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Nice.

Actual quote from transcript:

"MR. KAY: I think -- look, I don't want to get into criticizing your colleagues. We all knew that in Iraq we were going to find chemical weapons produced prior to 1991."

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In complete agreement about uranium in any form being extremely hazardous. However, the point is that all of the uranium in Iraq prior to March 2003 was in Tuwaitha under direct control of the IAEA. The Hussein government had no uranium in any form in its possession. What happened to those stores after IAEA personnel were withdrawn prior to the invasion is unknown.

Also, I understand that sarin has an extremely long half-life under laboratory conditions. I actually was talking about mustard. Many years ago I was given a CMA briefing on sulfur mustards, and I’m telling you, they don’t last very long.

But the debate over how long these materials last is also beside the point, which is that the 500+ artillery shells in question were buried and forgotten in 1988. They are battlefield detritus already reported on in the declassified Deulfer report:

“While a small number of old, abandoned chemical munitions have been discovered, ISG judges that Iraq unilaterally destroyed its undeclared chemical weapons stockpile in 1991. There are no credible indications that Baghdad resumed production of chemical munitions thereafter, a policy ISG attributes to Baghdad's desire to see sanctions lifted, or rendered ineffectual, or its fear of force against it should WMD be discovered.”

Deulfer himself, in a June 22 interview on NPR, said, “But the ones which have been found are left over from the Iran-Iraq war. They are almost 20 years old, and they are in a decayed fashion. It is very interesting that there are so many that were unaccounted for, but they do not constitute a weapon of mass destruction, although they could be a local hazard.”

The Harmony database is, indeed, pretty interesting. But what you have cited here is liretally about 80 pages of documentation. And I don’t know if you read Arabic, but I read a little. Documents ISGP-2003-00028868 and ISGQ-2004-00060580 reference “Arab Fedayeen” but really don’t say “non-Iraqi foreign Arabs.” We don’t really know who comprise the Arab Fedayeen at this point, although it should be noted that the Abu Nidal Organization is often referred to as the Arab Fedayeen. Abu Nidal was a secular Palestinian terrorist who retired to Baghdad in 1999 and was killed under mysterious circumstances in late 2002. It’s plausible that the Arab Fedayeen was Abu Nidal’s bodyguard corps, which was then absorbed by Mukhabarat after his death.

Also, FMSO states pretty explicitly on the Harmony portal, “The US Government has made no determination regarding the authenticity of the documents, validity or factual accuracy of the information contained therein, or the quality of any translations, when available.”

I’ve seen the CNN and Slate articles documenting the rumors that Zarqawi was treated in a Baghdad hospital at Saddam Hussein’s insistence. I’m going to go with CIA’s 2004 conclusion, referenced in my earlier post, that Hussein was not harboring Zarqawi. CNN especially has some credibility issues.

Interestingly, if we look back at the Harmony documents, ISGZ-2004-019920 is apparently a 2002 IIS report on suspicions that an al Qaeda-linked group (al Tawhid) had established a training base in Northern Iraq. It includes grainy pictures of Zarqawi. So if Hussein was harboring Zarqawi, he didn’t tell his secret service.

Lastly, I don’t know what a “clean” Iraqi passport is supposed t be, but Ramzi Yousef entered the U.S. in 1992 with a forged Iraqi passport. If Yousef was an Iraqi agent, it seems likely that Mukhabarat would have supplied him with a non-Iraqi passport.

Bombmaker Abdel Rahman Yasin was, in fact, of Iraqi heritage, although he was born in Bloomington, Indiana. And he did flee to Baghdad in 1993. However, the Hussein government offered Yasin to the U.S. authorities on several occasions in the 1990s, asking only that the U.S. declare Iraqi non-involvement in the World Trade Center bombing. According to former State Department official Kenneth Pollack, the CIA has cleared Iraq of involvement in the attack. We can only speculate as to why the Clinton administration chose not to take custody of Yasin. But again, it seems unlikely that, if Mukhabarat was behind the attack, they would offer an individual with intimate knowledge of the plot to U.S. investigators as a way of clearing Iraq’s name.

Sorry for the speculation, but the point is that so much of this stuff is still just unknown.