scared to be a bottom

[TSaddicted]

I love t-girls and genetic women but I just feel if I give up my ass to a t-girl I could never consider myself straight again. The crazy thing is, is that I always watch "shemale fucks guy" porn, major turn on for me. I absolutely love watching two t's tear a guy up.

It's getting closer to the day it happens, a T has offered to try it with me (fuck me) twice now and the second is scheduled for this week. I don't know if I can do it. I don't want to enjoy it and forever chase dicks up my arse. I like who I am now, I don't want to change. I feel like I'll give up my masculinity.

[martin48]

We all go to far greater lengths to avoid what we fear than to obtain what we desire. Enjoy the experience

[gaiseric]

Go out and do it and enjoy it. Stop worrying about labels etc. The more you think about it, along the lines of 'will I become less masculine - yadda, yadda' the more screwed up you will become

[Prospero]

Ludicrous. So many fragile people who worry about their "masculinity."

[STARTUP999]

"I love t-girls and genetic women but I just feel if I give up my ass to a t-girl I could never consider myself straight again.....I don't want to change. I feel like I'll give up my masculinity."

I hope this is a joke because if your for real you have way to many issues and misconceptions for advice on a forum to be much help.

First, your gay if your attracted to and have sex with men. If you consider a TG to be a woman and most admirers do. I suggest your not gay.

Second if a GG woman stuck her finger up your butt or did you with a strap on would you be gay? No. So the act of being penetrated is not what makes you gay its who your attracted to.

Third, just because someone likes to be penetrated does not make them "give up their masculinity." Gay men are often very masculine, some are hyper masculine actually. The two things are not related. Porn Icon Christian X has been privileged to sample more TG penis than all the admirers on this forum combined. I doubt you would tell him to his face he is not masculine.

Your post suggests to me, you think if you bottom for a TG you will turn into some stereotypical effeminate gay man prancing around with a limp wrist and an an effected "gay" voice lip syncing Cher songs. This is just so juvenile its hard to take your post seriously.

Even if your bizarre ideas about sexuality were true and being with a TG made you bi or gay curious or whatever label you care for, your already watching TG porn and fantasizing about it. Your preference is there in your head already whether you decide to act on it or not. If your not less masculine after masturbating to TG porn then why would you be so after being with a real TG woman?

If you do bottom, even if you like it and want more, your not going to "change" into a gay man, or "give up masculinity." I think you should keep fantasizing and not waste some escorts time with timid calls and no show dates. Your not ready for the real thing.

[Prospero]

well said Startup999

[STARTUP999]

Thank you Prospero

[gaiseric]

Startup999, I think your post should be sent to all the guys that come onto this forum with this or similar worries/problems. Very sensible and informative.

[fred41]

I like who I am now, I don't want to change. I feel like I'll give up my masculinity.

No, I don't think you do. I think you like an image that you try to convey...not the same thing.
I think that someone who truly likes themselves..is totally at ease with themselves , including their sexuality.
Don't get me wrong...I'm not saying I'm completely at ease with everything about myself...lol...lord knows I have my own problems....as do most people. But to deny yourself something you might enjoy for the sake of artificial self-image...that's probably not a good way to go.
Just my two cents based on two sentences...so.

[TSaddicted]

You have me down to a T. You're right, I do think once a t-girl girl tops me I will become more feminine and have a stronger desire to be fucked in the arse. I just don't want it to lead to bigger things. I already think about sex 24/7, I don't want to start paying for escorts. Being a handsome guy I get to sleep with sexy women and t-girls girls for free, that's how it should be.

The fact is, once you have been bottomed there is no going back. You may try and sugar coat it and say "bottomed", but the fact is a dick has been up your arse and there is no going back. Once you've been fucked, you've been fucked. Now for someone who has been in this game for less than a year, this is a big deal.

Putting people into categories is just what we do as humans. You consider me gay because I sleep with trannies but I don't. Gay is men being attracted to the male body and persona. I think a word needs to be created for men who are attracted to trans women, and not "tranny chaser". I'm attracted to the femininity that t-girls present that right now a lot of women fail to bring. Just look how butch and aggressive women are these days. T-girls work very hard to present themselves as the beautiful ladies they are.

[TSaddicted]

The profession I've chosen has me walking on egg shells as it is. I would prefer to live in the US where these kinds of things seems more acceptable. Sex is only part of the issue but being a bottom for a t-girl is very important, it's practically giving up your virginity.

[Detroit]

Try it, you're going to love it. I a very manly man, but after I gave it up, I was hooked.

[Prospero]

So humans like to label people. It is how you are that matters. Do you think that if you are attracted to TS girls you are on a slippery slope of some kind... with the awful inevitability of proving to be Gay at the end of the rainbow. Even were that true, so what. Be true to yourself and your desires and don't worry about what the world thinks.

And ignore what people say about you. People who come here should know better than to label guys who go with transsexuals as gay.

And as others have said a TS girl is not a guy. She is a girl.

[TSaddicted]

Your reply is exactly what I mean. I'm sure it is addictive, the male g-spot is in there somewhere. I don't have an endless supply of t-girls at my disposal. I don't want to get into a position where I'm chasing escorts to fuck me. You fellas in the US can bump into one at the supermarket, over here it's not so easy. Either you go to a club and run some game or you buy one, they're very discreet.

[TSaddicted]

Thanks Prospero, you sound really kool.

[nysprod]

I'm top only, I enjoy taking the man's role and the girls I tend to meet definitely enjoy that as well...I realize I'm in the minority though, so what I would suggest to the op is to find comfort in numbers.

Actually, I think that a big part of my attraction to trans women is that they're more feminine than many genetics I've known...

[Prospero]

Interesting. I have total respect for those who prefer to top, for the versatile (my category) and for bottoms. But I seriously don't think it says anything about your masculinity whatever your preference.

[LibertyHarkness]

your only gay if you start pushing back :)

[bluesoul]

nobody addressed the fact that some girls call guys who bottom gay

[Ms.Stepford]

These threads always make me glad to be versatile, pansexual, and happily bereft of masculinity.

What a pain in the ass it has to be to keep all these hang ups and outmoded views of sexuality straight!

[Chaos]

What a pain in the ass it has to be to keep all these hang ups and outmoded views of sexuality straight!

So many puns...but I agree.

[nysprod]

Interesting. I have total respect for those who prefer to top, for the versatile (my category) and for bottoms. But I seriously don't think it says anything about your masculinity whatever your preference.

Forget labels, i'm all for doing what you want...but a woman recieves the man, that's biology.


your only gay if you start pushing back :)

Lmaooo!

[amberskyi]

Forget labels, i'm all for doing what you want...but a woman recieves the man, that's biology.

I agree

[Ms.Stepford]

Forget labels, i'm all for doing what you want...but a woman recieves the man, that's biology.

That's for reproduction. We're way past that.

[nysprod]

That's for reproduction. We're way past that.

People play roles in many aspects of their lives, and to play the female role is to recieve.

[Rusty Eldora]

Hi Fred - It was good to meet you at the after after party in LA.


No, I don't think you do. I think you like an image that you try to convey...not the same thing.
I think that someone who truly likes themselves..is totally at ease with themselves , including their sexuality.
Don't get me wrong...I'm not saying I'm completely at ease with everything about myself...lol...lord knows I have my own problems....as do most people. But to deny yourself something you might enjoy for the sake of artificial self-image...that's probably not a good way to go.
Just my two cents based on two sentences...so.

I agree, I have found that interaction with Tgirls has made me far more understanding of myself and more at ease - but I need far more study in this area.

I personally have found that being a bottom to someone that vibes fem is a huge turn on and the most intense rush of my life. If they don't feel very fem it is so-so to stop now for me. Something about submitting to a female, having her in control flips a lot of things in me on many levels.

[transfan8591]

I don't believe in no man bending over and receiving..that is feminine.
I don't and would not, when I see a Trans woman, I see a regular woman
and want to have sex with her as such.

[TSaddicted]

Lol I'm loving the debate here, never knew it would receive such a response. It's obvious that this is a topic that all us guys dwell on as we entertain these beautiful ladies.

[mrtrebus]

I love t-girls and genetic women but I just feel if I give up my ass to a t-girl I could never consider myself straight again. The crazy thing is, is that I always watch "shemale fucks guy" porn, major turn on for me. I absolutely love watching two t's tear a guy up.

It's getting closer to the day it happens, a T has offered to try it with me (fuck me) twice now and the second is scheduled for this week. I don't know if I can do it. I don't want to enjoy it and forever chase dicks up my arse. I like who I am now, I don't want to change. I feel like I'll give up my masculinity.
What an odd post. If it is something you want to try then do it. Why get hung up on definitions of masculinity. . .

[Ms.Stepford]

People play roles in many aspects of their lives, and to play the female role is to recieve.

Yeah...except for in the cases of lesbians, gay men, and many trans people.

I know your mode of thought works for most cis hetero people, but there's a lot more to the story. Just because cis and hetero people are the norm doesn't mean that the experiences of sexual minorities should be discounted and thought abnormal. Your simplistic viewpoint does disservice to a significant portion of the population.

Also, as a man, you have no business defining a "female role."

In short, you're a fifties kind of guy, and the fifties are way over.

[amberskyi]

Yeah...except for in the cases of lesbians, gay men, and many trans people.

I know your mode of thought works for most cis hetero people, but there's a lot more to the story. Just because cis and hetero people are the norm doesn't mean that the experiences of sexual minorities should be discounted and thought abnormal. Your simplistic viewpoint does disservice to a significant portion of the population.

Also, as a man, you have no business defining a "female role."

In short, you're a fifties kind of guy, and the fifties are way over.

I don't consider myself or most trans woman a sexual minority.my transsexuality has to do with my gender and not sexuality. Just my two cents.
We are woman and like most cis woman our sexuality is expressed in many different varieties. im a more traditional heterosexual type of girl, some girls are more dominate, or versatile and others gay/lesbian. It takes all types

[TSaddicted]

Your response displays no sense of understanding regarding the issue, it could be that it's not an issue for you to get fucked. With your logic all young girls would be having sex at the drop of the hat. You don't just stick your dick into any woman do you? So why would you let any dick enter you. This is the closest a guy can understand how a girl feels about losing her virginity; once it's gone, it's gone.

[Ms.Stepford]

In the big picture, it doesn't really matter how we view ourselves. Society as a whole thinks that having sex with us is different than with other women.

We may as well accept that this is the case, and work with a clear view of the situation.

On a personal level, I agree with you for sure, but I'm not thinking on a personal level.

[gaiseric]

I've already posted one response on this topic but I thought I would comment on a couple of things.
Being totally pedantic on the English language, transfan8591 states 'I don't believe in no man bending over and receiving.' That is actually a double negative and means that he is in favour of guys bottoming.
TS Addicted says that it is obvious that this is a topic all us guys dwell on. Just to put him right on this but I will top or bottom with whatever girl I am with depending on my mood at the time and what we have decided to do. I certainly don't spend any time worrying about what someone else may think. It's none of their business and I am confident enough in myself not to have any worries about what label can be attached to my sexual preferences. Life's too short.
Lastly a general point. It's all very well having this topic open for discussion but although you get the versatile people posting (me, Prospero and others) you will always get the people with the attitude of 'I'm a bloke and blokes don't bottom' and they are so entrenched with this, they will never change. I'm not criticising them for having this attitude, although I think it is a throwback to less 'enlightened' times. My point is that there will always be the two separate camps - the versatile guys and the totally entrenched guys and they will never meet or be changed by what they read on a forum.
Also because my views on sexuality, topping or bottoming, being open and up front about meeting and liking TS ladies are quite open, I find some of the posts from guys defending their 'masculinity' somewhat pathetic and along the lines of someone who feels he must protest but too much.
That's the end of tonight's sermon.

[Ms.Stepford]

Your response displays no sense of understanding regarding the issue, it could be that it's not an issue for you to get fucked. With your logic all young girls would be having sex at the drop of the hat. You don't just stick your dick into any woman do you? So why would you let any dick enter you. This is the closest a guy can understand how a girl feels about losing her virginity; once it's gone, it's gone.

Virginity is also a foolish and outdated concept. As if anything is ever pure, and then gets metaphysically sullied by dick!

It's just a line that people drew and I absolutely don't understand why people place such stock in bullshit dogma that vastly limits their enjoyment in their short lives.

[scuderia]

Your response displays no sense of understanding regarding the issue, it could be that it's not an issue for you to get fucked. With your logic all young girls would be having sex at the drop of the hat. You don't just stick your dick into any woman do you? So why would you let any dick enter you. This is the closest a guy can understand how a girl feels about losing her virginity; once it's gone, it's gone.

you are just an insecure guy.
if you enjoy it, do it.

you are just fishing for execuses that "taking a dick" isnt gay.

[nysprod]

Yeah...except for in the cases of lesbians, gay men, and many trans people.

I know your mode of thought works for most cis hetero people, but there's a lot more to the story. Just because cis and hetero people are the norm doesn't mean that the experiences of sexual minorities should be discounted and thought abnormal. Your simplistic viewpoint does disservice to a significant portion of the population.

Also, as a man, you have no business defining a "female role."

In short, you're a fifties kind of guy, and the fifties are way over.

Not at all, "recieve" is a catch-all phrase...and even within the LGBT community there are defined roles in relationships i.e. top and bottom.

[Ms.Stepford]

If you think that just because the bottom takes a dick, that makes his role in the relationship a feminine one, you have a more tragically simplistic view of gender and sexuality than I gave you credit for.

He's a man. He can do whatever he pleases with his butt, and absolutely nobody has a right to define his role for him.

It was a wrong turn for the whole of civilization when people started thinking that their feelings and classifications on and around the sexualities of others were worth a damn.

Generalizations don't work for a thing except to limit understanding.

[Ms.Stepford]

As far as the OP goes, by the way, I don't particularly care if dude decides to bottom or not. Trust me, I have no problem with guys who just want to top.

(as long as they go down)

[nysprod]

If you think that just because the bottom takes a dick, that makes his role in the relationship a feminine one, you have a more tragically simplistic view of gender and sexuality than I gave you credit for.

He's a man. He can do whatever he pleases with his butt, and absolutely nobody has a right to define his role for him.

It was a wrong turn for the whole of civilization when people started thinking that their feelings and classifications on and around the sexualities of others were worth a damn.

Generalizations don't work for a thing except to limit understanding.

Within relationships are defined roles and in general, two alpha males will not coexist comfortably.

[fred41]

Hi Fred - It was good to meet you at the after after party in LA.

Yeah...it was nice to meet you...you're a gentleman.
Alcohol left some holes in my memory of the after after party, but I was lucky to meet a lady I was talking with there, here in N.Y...and she filled in the blanks for me.


I agree, I have found that interaction with Tgirls has made me far more understanding of myself and more at ease - but I need far more study in this area.

I personally have found that being a bottom to someone that vibes fem is a huge turn on and the most intense rush of my life. If they don't feel very fem it is so-so to stop now for me. Something about submitting to a female, having her in control flips a lot of things in me on many levels.

I just learned to broaden my horizons... perhaps with age and experience. I've dated girls that were mostly tops (yes, they exist)...and girls that were mostly or completely bottoms...and versatile too. If a girl has a preference, I'll go along with that. Whatever she likes...it's all good. I have a bit of an oral fixation, and since I have yet to meet a girl that says "Don't lick this or that"...I'm pretty much happy either way...but a girl that is versatile does allow for more...well...versatility.
All I know is, if I'm not going to let folks out there IRL dictate who and how I'm sleeping with....I damn sure ain't going to let some dudes (or girls) opinions on what is or isn't feminine affect what I do in my bedroom. The only person that matters to is the person sharing my bed.

[fred41]

In the big picture, it doesn't really matter how we view ourselves. Society as a whole thinks that having sex with us is different than with other women.

We may as well accept that this is the case, and work with a clear view of the situation.

On a personal level, I agree with you for sure, but I'm not thinking on a personal level.


Virginity is also a foolish and outdated concept. As if anything is ever pure, and then gets metaphysically sullied by dick!

It's just a line that people drew and I absolutely don't understand why people place such stock in bullshit dogma that vastly limits their enjoyment in their short lives.


If you think that just because the bottom takes a dick, that makes his role in the relationship a feminine one, you have a more tragically simplistic view of gender and sexuality than I gave you credit for.

He's a man. He can do whatever he pleases with his butt, and absolutely nobody has a right to define his role for him.

It was a wrong turn for the whole of civilization when people started thinking that their feelings and classifications on and around the sexualities of others were worth a damn.

Generalizations don't work for a thing except to limit understanding.

All very well said.

[fred41]

Within relationships are defined roles and in general, two alpha males will not coexist comfortably.

Except you're assuming the Alpha male can't be the bottom...you're wrong.

[nysprod]

Except you're assuming the Alpha male can't be the bottom...you're wrong.

No man who bottoms for trans girls wants to see himself as anything but masculine...that's all well and good, I'm not one to say they shouldn't.

[fred41]

No man who bottoms for trans girls wants to see himself as anything but masculine...that's all well and good, I'm not one to say they shouldn't.

There's a difference between what sexual act you perform...and how you live your life outside.
Simple, for example...in a heterosexual relationship, your definition of Alpha couldn't apply to the average GG woman...but we all know that the male/husband/boyfriend in a heterosexual relationship isn't always the "Alpha" in the marriage/relationship.

[jamiethewild]

You should be scared, you never know what she's thinking of you as soon as you start to point your ass to her or start to suck her. She's probably or might be cursing at you.

Welcome to your future spendings. You should know whats the difference between masculine n whats feminine and accept your feminine qualities.

[nysprod]

There's a difference between what sexual act you perform...and how you live your life outside.
Simple, for example...in a heterosexual relationship, your definition of Alpha couldn't apply to the average GG woman...but we all know that the male/husband/boyfriend in a heterosexual relationship isn't always the "Alpha" in the marriage/relationship.

You can be masculine as anything outside the bedroom but when you get fucked, you take the feminine role...what's wrong with saying that, you should embrace it.

[darky123]

its great go for it

[Ms.Stepford]

You can be masculine as anything outside the bedroom but when you get fucked, you take the feminine role...what's wrong with saying that, you should embrace it.

Tell me. Who is in the feminine role in the video at this link. (http://bdsm-v.tumblr.com/post/57067201866/haydenbabee-someidiotb4u-8thwondah-damn)

[Tapatio]

Tell me. Who is in the feminine role in the video at this link. (http://bdsm-v.tumblr.com/post/57067201866/haydenbabee-someidiotb4u-8thwondah-damn)

The guy on his back grabbing his ankles.

The guy on his back grabbing his ankles is in the feminine role. He's totally her bitch.

That position feels sooooo good, though, especially of she knows how to work it- not riding, but standing with her legs on the inside, thrusting and pulling back on the length of my cock until it feels like it belongs to her. She can get clitoral stimulation, too, and has total control of where my cock is inside her- never met a girl who failed to orgasm that way.

She's fucking him.

[Tapatio]

Tell me. Who is in the feminine role in the video at this link. (http://bdsm-v.tumblr.com/post/57067201866/haydenbabee-someidiotb4u-8thwondah-damn)

Nice video- thanks.

[Topintellect]

Nothing wrong with being a bottom but I don't don't think I could relinquish the psychological and sexual satisfaction of being the top.

[nysprod]

Tell me. Who is in the feminine role in the video at this link. (http://bdsm-v.tumblr.com/post/57067201866/haydenbabee-someidiotb4u-8thwondah-damn)

The girl with the cock in her pussy...obviously you think otherwise, so tell us why...because she's on top and is playing the aggressive role?

[powaybb]

go for the bottom role -- it's really outstanding to watch a guy while he fucks you and watch how fricking excited they get when they shoot their load.

[Ms.Stepford]

The girl with the cock in her pussy...obviously you think otherwise, so tell us why...because she's on top and is playing the aggressive role?

Exactly. He's not penetrating. She's taking him in.

[nysprod]

Exactly. He's not penetrating. She's taking him in.

The female role (being penetrated) and aggressiveness aren't necessarily mutually exclusive...I think you've fallen into the trap of equating femininity with passivity.

[Ms.Stepford]

Um no. That's what I'm trying to talk you out of.

[TS MELISSA SANCHEZ NYC]

I'VE BEEN INTO EVERYTHING . top bottom i just wanna enjoy

[nysprod]

Hey Melissa, just saw your ad on Cl, what's going on?

[nysprod]

Um no. That's what I'm trying to talk you out of.

Ummm no...the only thing I said was the female role is to be penetrated.

[Ms.Stepford]

And I'll again say that's a generalization that doesn't take into account the reality of literally millions of human relationships, and I guess I'll leave it at that.

[nysprod]

Again, I think you're taking the idea of the female role as far as sex is concerned (being penetrated) to mean 24/7/365 passivity in all other aspects of a given relationship...it doesn't, obviously.

[buttslinger]

You'll still be a man, Tsaddicted, in other words, you''ll still have to pay.

I've been looking for a post I can get zero out of twenty stars on, this may be it.

[Ms.Stepford]

No. I'm living proof that I don't think that way at all.

Men have been taking it up the ass since the beginning of time.

It's not a female role. It's just getting fucked. People get fucked.

Hell, for all we know, the first time a dick went in a hole it could've been in a guy's butt, and it was a few buttfucking months before it found a vag and seeded a kid.

When I top a guy, I'll be damned if I'm in a male role. I don't just all of a sudden switch genders because I'm fucking his ass instead of his mouth.

If some girls are gonna have dicks and fuck guys, it's bullshit to assert the outdated notion that topping is a male role. It works for guys, in general, but new shit has come to light, and it's time to open our minds up to accommodate reality. :-)

[Ms.Stepford]

You'll still be a man, Tsaddicted, in other words, you''ll still have to pay.

I've been looking for a post I can get zero out of twenty stars on, this may be it.

No, that's funny as shit.

[Chaos]

I don't think it is the act of penetration that is the problem as much as it is an internal dilemma of giving up control...
For a LONG time it has just been assumed that men were the ones on top and in charge...which isn't true anymore but isn't easy to dissipate since it is ingrained in so many minds.
There are a lot of men that don't want to lose that "power"....
They think that even equality will emasculate them....

[nysprod]

No. I'm living proof that I don't think that way at all. When I top a guy, I'll be damned if I'm in a male role. I don't just all of a sudden switch genders because I'm fucking his ass instead of his mouth.


I want to be sensitive here, so please read this carefully:

When you top a guy, or a genetic girl tops a guy with a strap-on, neither of you become less female...however, at that time, you both are playing the male role i.e. you are doing the penetrating, which has nothing to do with "switching genders."

BTW, when you talk about topping do you mean professionally or personally?

[Donkey]

Tell me. Who is in the feminine role in the video at this link. (http://bdsm-v.tumblr.com/post/57067201866/haydenbabee-someidiotb4u-8thwondah-damn)
wow, that is some really hot shit right there

[Ms.Stepford]

When you top a guy, or a genetic girl tops a guy with a strap-on, neither of you become less female...however, at that time, you both are playing the male role i.e. you are doing the penetrating, which has nothing to do with "switching genders."

Oh, I totally understand where you're coming from. I was raised on that poppycock, but I've grown a bit, learned some stuff, talked to some people, and thought about some things for my self, and amongst other things I've come upon the realization that there's no need to conflate topping or bottoming with gendered terms.

This conflation is precisely what gets guys all gummed up inside about bottoming, confused because they've been trained to think of it as taking the female role, and having their masculinity threatened.

I know, it's how it's been for ages, and it's what people tell their kids, but it's not in accordance with reality.


BTW, when you talk about topping do you mean professionally or personally?

I mean professionally. Personally, I look to get split with big dick. :-)

[Ms.Stepford]

wow, that is some really hot shit right there

Isn't it? Some friends of mine saw that on my Tumblr the week before going to Montreal to give some kink workshop or another, worked that video into their presentation, and blew some minds.

[nysprod]

BTW, when you talk about topping do you mean professionally or personally?


I mean professionally. Personally, I look to get split with big dick. :-)

Exactly, you just proved my point...you top professionally because male clients want to play the female role and will pay for the privilege, but what you do professionally has no bearing on who you are personally...in your real life you want to bottom because you are a woman...it feels right to you physically and mentally to exist in the female role and being penetrated is a big part of that.

You're actually far more conventional than you want to admit lol

[Straight Tricker]

OMG you're gay lol! Wanting a shemale with a DICK is already a clear sign of NOT being straight.

[TSaddicted]

So what if I'm not chasing the t-girls dick and I'm chasing her female looks. It's not as if she's walking around with her dick out. Gay men are attracted to the physicality of a man, I'm not attracted to men. I have no intentions to be with a man whatsoever. I don't think t-girls have ever been this popular and feminine in history. It's a new world, gay is out of date. You can only categorise so many actions as being gay before it starts to not make sense.

[wearboots4me]

You fellas in the US can bump into one at the supermarket, over here it's not so easy.

:p LMAO! I WISH! Are you seriously serious? Maybe if you live in certain neighborhoods in NYC. But everywhere else they are kind of rare. You seem to have an inaccurate perception of life here in the U.S.

[TSaddicted]

Lol, maybe that assumption is a tad off. Well I'm pretty sure you have more over there than here. I'm talking great quality girls too, not a dude in a dress but those t-girls that you never had a clue.

Have a scan of your Craigslist vs London's, lol you can't compare. We just aint in the same league as you guys for t-girls.