My new video on the trans-adult industry

[MrsKellyPierce]

If you haven't watched my video on the Adult Industry please do so (like/subscribe/comment) (Guest) The Trans-Porn Industry 101 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00mzW63giV4&list=UUWc-g_1R15t1Gi_QV2nNkVw)

[christianxxx]

you should titled this video "why I, Kelly Shore, and the greatest and smartest TS girl in the world" good gravy

[MrsKellyPierce]

I would expect you to be a debbie downer Christian :)

Especially when you know what I'm saying is true...

The day of the pornstar is over..

[MrsKellyPierce]

And Sarina Valentina, Kelly Clare and many other ts pornstars co-signed so I guess we are all claiming the same thing :)

[GroobySteven]

How many scenes have you done (hardcore) overall Kelly?

[MrsKellyPierce]

How many scenes have you done (hardcore) overall Kelly?

I've done a 130 Steven..

I've done threesomes, I've done foursomes, I've done tranny on tranny and the list goes on..

I worked for Brazillian companies, I've work for US companies, I've worked for many companies other than YOUR OWN..Kink, ShemaleStrokers, and the list goes on


But most of that stuff was with SMC and I own 50% and she owns 50% and neither of us can use it :)

The point of the matter is it's not a measure your dick contest STEVEN

Trans pornstars can't make money just off porn...you know it..I know it..they have to supplement it with affiliate, branding, webcamming, white lables, other ventures, and yes some even escort.



So don't play the ridiculous game and try to say I'm not speaking TRUTH

Not to mention many girls shouldn't even be in the industry to begin with.

You can debate..and you can blabber all you want..but most trans-pornstars OLD AND NEWER will take my side..and if they take your side it's because they are worried about their PAY SCALE

And for that matter the video wasn't about Companies VS models which Christian and NOW YOU are turning it into.

It's about the reality to girls wanting to get into porn that think they can make tons of money or end up like Jenna Jameson..its a pipe dream..that was the point of the video..

There is tons more opportunity to make money in the CIS/straight porn industry than there is the Transsexual porn niche..

[MrsKellyPierce]

In fact I'm sure Christian makes more money than the average Trans-pornstar because he probably has work EVERYDAY..either with CIS females or with trannies..

So as a male talent he is making more money than many Trans-pornstars..the reason so many escort..many I have spoken to wish they could just do movies and not escort.

[MrsKellyPierce]

You love to undermine when girls speak their TRUTH and the TRUTH of the industry because you feel it's bad for business since NEW GIRLS are your PRODUCT..

When in reality what I was saying to girls GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER (emotionally/intelligence wise), BE A BUSINESS WOMAN, and make the INDUSTRY WORK FOR YOU..NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND..don't make yourself out to be a victim...you knew your choice..and you have a playing field to leverage on if you are smart enough to play the game!

That's what I was saying in the video..

[Tashajones]

Kelly. I think the parts of your video where you were talking and supporting the girls was very good. You need to do more of those types of videos/posts. Most girls do need someone in their lives with experiences and positive support. They need advice and from what I have seen you are very good when focused on helping and not venting. But you need to leave your past/current issues with the adult world and the bitterness you clearly feel away from your supportive message. It clouds it and takes away from the positive.
You’re now a business owner who like the very ones you’re complaining about could one day be at their level and make and have what they have. When/if that does happen, it will sadly be you who they are complaining about. I am not saying that some of your points are not valid or that I do not agree with some of what you have said. But some of your points focus on more personal than from a business stand point.
I have a unique past experience in this business. I am in no way on the level of any of you. But I have been both behind and in front of the camera. I have also been around since the start of the online adult boom. I have owned my own webcam ring and had models working for me. When I started my company in 2000 I was making very very good money. When the crush you have spoken of hit I lost almost 50% of my membership base in the first year and another 25% the next. I lowered membership cost. Hired more models to put on 2/3 shows a night rather than one. I was forced to cut back what I paid the girls and how many updates I provided my members. By the time I closed down my webcam site. I was paying 75% of the models pay out of my own pocket.
The story’s I have heard that some of the girls who worked for me told others was laughable. “She is not paying me while she is living in a fancy apartment and making all this money” “How dare she make all this money from my pictures and not give me 1/2” “She would not have a cam network without me” Truth. I showed the girls that stuck with me the last year of my ccbill sales account and hosting cost. When they saw that I made in one year what it cost me to run the website for 1 month. Them seeing that I was manly escorting just to pay them. Some understood others did not. You cannot please everyone.
The reality is some company’s where able to get through it. Most failed. But everyone lost money. Today the money is not what it was. This is not BS. This is fact.. It is a business like any other business people start to be successful. When their name is on the letter head and they are the ones that put years into building what they have. They can run it however they wish. If someone has issues just do not work for them. It is that simple. You think you deserve $1500 per scene. Then only work for the company’s willing to pay you that. But it is unfair to put down other companies that cannot afford or choice not to pay that fee. They again own the company and they choice how to run it. It does not matter if it is an adult company or non-adult. The same rules apply.
As for your comments about Christian. On a personal level sadly we may not see eye to eye. But I respect his work ethic. He is a good and dependable model and puts out good content. So of course he will be able to get lots of work. He also has many balls in the air in all different parts of this business. Why judge him because he is successful? Judge him on him personally is one thing but business wise he deserves credit for being a smart business man.
I found out the hard way in life that when you hold anger in and try to help others or make statements. Those statements although mostly truthful and helpful can be overshadowed by negativity. So your intent to help falls on deaf ears and turns into a mixed message of on one hand trying to help and on the other shooting yourself in the foot and not helping anyone because now they are only focused on the negative..

[GroobySteven]

I've done a 130 Steven..

I've done threesomes, I've done foursomes, I've done tranny on tranny and the list goes on..

I worked for Brazillian companies, I've work for US companies, I've worked for many companies other than YOUR OWN..Kink, ShemaleStrokers, and the list goes on


But most of that stuff was with SMC and I own 50% and she owns 50% and neither of us can use it :)

The point of the matter is it's not a measure your dick contest STEVEN

Trans pornstars can't make money just off porn...you know it..I know it..they have to supplement it with affiliate, branding, webcamming, white lables, other ventures, and yes some even escort.



So don't play the ridiculous game and try to say I'm not speaking TRUTH

Not to mention many girls shouldn't even be in the industry to begin with.

You can debate..and you can blabber all you want..but most trans-pornstars OLD AND NEWER will take my side..and if they take your side it's because they are worried about their PAY SCALE

And for that matter the video wasn't about Companies VS models which Christian and NOW YOU are turning it into.

It's about the reality to girls wanting to get into porn that think they can make tons of money or end up like Jenna Jameson..its a pipe dream..that was the point of the video..

There is tons more opportunity to make money in the CIS/straight porn industry than there is the Transsexual porn niche..


I didn't listen to it. Believe me 15 mins of anyone's talking head, I'm not going to waste my time on, so don't take it personally.

My question was genuine as I had no idea (and still find it hard to believe). You've done 130 hardcore scenes that have been released on DVD or web? I would have guessed at around 20.

Are you claiming you're saying something new here, though because if the point of the video is;

"Trans pornstars can't make money just off porn...you know it..I know it..they have to supplement it with affiliate, branding, webcamming, white lables, other ventures, and yes some even escort."

I've spoken about this at length both on this forum, on my blog and to models directly for years.

[christianxxx]

kink, Strokers, Devils, Grooby, SMC, and Evil Angel all together is 130 scenes? lol thats hilarious. no way its anywhere close to 50 much less 100, much less 130. come on now that's just preposterous.

[ilovelamp]

I think overall your video has very sincere and good intentions, but I don't know if it is necessarily the producers/companies who are entirely at fault for not paying the talent more. And you reference that models in the 80's and 90's made a lot more. I wonder, however, if that has more to do with the current state of the porn industry in general than how much less a producer is willing to pay. Those earlier decades didn't have tube sites and torrents and thousands of other ways in which people obtain content for free. So unfortunately there's likely less of a pie to go around overall in the current watered down porn market.

I do think models deserve to get paid more for porn. If they received a dollar for everyone that wanked it to their scene on a tube site, they would be in a very different financial situation. But since most people don't consider ripping music to be stealing, I doubt they'd care about how they obtain their porn. From a producer's stand point, I can imagine that it's hard to compete with free. And that's perhaps more responsible for the lower pay scale than simply choosing to pay less.

[GroobySteven]

I think overall your video has very sincere and good intentions, but I don't know if it is necessarily the producers/companies who are entirely at fault for not paying the talent more. And you reference that models in the 80's and 90's made a lot more. I wonder, however, if that has more to do with the current state of the porn industry in general than how much less a producer is willing to pay. Those earlier decades didn't have tube sites and torrents and thousands of other ways in which people obtain content for free. So unfortunately there's likely less of a pie to go around overall in the current watered down porn market.

I do think models deserve to get paid more for porn. If they received a dollar for everyone that wanked it to their scene on a tube site, they would be in a very different financial situation. But since most people don't consider ripping music to be stealing, I doubt they'd care about how they obtain their porn. From a producer's stand point, I can imagine that it's hard to compete with free. And that's perhaps more responsible for the lower pay scale than simply choosing to pay less.


What people don't understand is that the scales are usually completely different to what they imagine. They see a model getting paid $600-$800 for 1/2 days work (or less) and then they expect that company is profiting $1000's from the shoot because the company has a big presence and the owner flies all over the world.
From that shoot:

$450-$500 to the photographer (who has to pay for his own equipment, location, etc.)
Photo and video editor costs.
Webmaster, marketing, finance, office rental, utility, server rental/bandwidth, etc, etc. Costs of running a business.

Scene goes live on a site at say $30 a month. 8-20% automatically comes off the top to billing/credit card companies. 50% of the sale goes directly to the affiliate who sent it (around about 30-70% of sales depending on the company) so a company can often be left with as little as $12 per website sale, on which they've updated 5-7 girls per week.

We hope to make $200-$300 per shoot as profit. Much of our profit goes BACK into future projects enabling new shoots and sites and continuing growth.

[mildcigar_2001]

Nice video. I suppose it encapsulates what everybody (except naive young trannys) know that you can't get rich in porn.

I suppose other than a feeling of self validation to the young transgendered person, I don't see a lot of good coming from appearing in porn (TS or GG).

Even if you have the opportunity to work a lot, the shelf-life of a porn starlet is very limited. I remember reading an article by one of the GG porn stars who complained that she started getting offered MILF roles when she was only 23-24 years of age.

Female pornstar Stoya recently penned an interesting essay about how being in the adult industry affects your privacy:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/09/opinion/sunday/can-we-learn-about-privacy-from-porn-stars.html?_r=0

This is probably a misogynistic opinion, but I would think a young TS would be a lot better off in the long run, focusing on finding a man (stable relationship where the man is the provider and not a pimp) and a regular job (I know regular jobs are no fun, but if you are willing to work hard you will be rewarded).

[MrsKellyPierce]

kink, Strokers, Devils, Grooby, SMC, and Evil Angel all together is 130 scenes? lol thats hilarious. no way its anywhere close to 50 much less 100, much less 130. come on now that's just preposterous.

Christian do you wanna measure dicks :) WE CAN DARLING :)

I didn't just work for US companies and I was counting my own site..not for other companies!

[MrsKellyPierce]

I never BLAMED the industry..what I was saying through...REALIZE how the trans-industry works..it's a numbers game and it's not in your favor...there are only so many companies...and LOTS AND LOTS more girls..I was trying to warn girls or pop the bubble of becoming famous or rich..

Many girls look at top ts talent..and many of them are living in closets/struggling to get by/escorting etc

So that's what I was saying in the video..

And that even the CIS niche that has more opportunity to shoot and make money they themselves aren't making money like Jenna has or Jesse Jane has...

That's what I was talking about..and that it's not EASY MONEY..you have to work hard...

[MrsKellyPierce]

Nice video. I suppose it encapsulates what everybody (except naive young trannys) know that you can't get rich in porn.

I suppose other than a feeling of self validation to the young transgendered person, I don't see a lot of good coming from appearing in porn (TS or GG).

Even if you have the opportunity to work a lot, the shelf-life of a porn starlet is very limited. I remember reading an article by one of the GG porn stars who complained that she started getting offered MILF roles when she was only 23-24 years of age.

Female pornstar Stoya recently penned an interesting essay about how being in the adult industry affects your privacy:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/09/opinion/sunday/can-we-learn-about-privacy-from-porn-stars.html?_r=0

This is probably a misogynistic opinion, but I would think a young TS would be a lot better off in the long run, focusing on finding a man (stable relationship where the man is the provider and not a pimp) and a regular job (I know regular jobs are no fun, but if you are willing to work hard you will be rewarded).
I love Stoya she is so smart!

[saifan]

I'm sure there are good points made in the video but 15 minutes is a big commitment in this day and age. If you're looking for maximum reach with these videos you should make an effort to go no longer than 5-7 minutes or so.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Miss Tasha Jones,

This is for you :) I was not demonizing Christian...Christian and I have never gotten along...and we will always have that problem with one another...

HOWEVER the reason I used Christian as an example..is to say to TRANS-PORNSTARS to make money in the business just off MOVIES/SHOOTING you would have to shoot everyday of the week like Christian does with either female/ts talent. I am not hating on him, I was just annoyed he was trying to invalidate that when he knows it is true.

When Christian doesn't have a shoot that day he cams or pushes affiliates. He knows this is all true.

And for him to act like it's not is ANNOYING!

I have given Christian respect in the past for being honest about who he shoots with when so many straight male pornstars do it behind the scenes. He makes no apologies.

But to discount what I'm saying as PISH POSH when he knows it's true..is what I was attacking! NOT HIM as a person.

[MrsKellyPierce]

I'm sure there are good points made in the video but 15 minutes is a big commitment in this day and age. If you're looking for maximum reach with these videos you should make an effort to go no longer than 5-7 minutes or so.

Really loads of people have watched it and liked it :)

And I'm getting message after message from girls looking to get into the industry or how to make money..

So I'll take your advice another day :)

[bluesoul]

come on now that's just preposterous.

i would've thought it was being the "greatest and smartest TS girl in the world"

[saifan]

Really loads of people have watched it and liked it :)

And I'm getting message after message from girls looking to get into the industry or how to make money..

So I'll take your advice another day :)

Right on. Seems like I'm not the target audience anyway.

[MrsKellyPierce]

^^ I will say this Bluesol..I don't have to escort..I own a home..I make loads of money with out leaving my house..I can pick and choose what scenes I do..

I have other businesses and the list goes on..

I may not be the greatest or the smartest..

But I make good money at what I DO :)

And the only porn models I know in the TS niche to make real big money at it are Joanna ANGEL, Gia Darling, Meghan Chavalier, Ts Madison Big Dick Bitch, and they did it by being their own boss, getting behind the camera, and what not. So I am privilege to be friends with three out of four of these ladies and we talk at length about many things. As am I friends with many producers in the industry.

So I'll just laugh at your need to invalidate me with Christian..

[MrsKellyPierce]

I forgot Christian you are my biggest fan..you would know how many scenes I've done..

[MrsKellyPierce]

I meant JOanna JETT oops..I always say Joanna Angel damnit!! Well both are great women that make a shit load off porn..

And Christian and Blue Sol you can discount what I say..but one of Christian's Bosses himself said what I said in his BLOG...DISCOUNT THAT..

http://grooby.com/seanchai/steven/model-ts-website-real-facts.html

[GroobySteven]

Sometimes I want to stick my foot up Kelly Shore's arse (not literally - as I don't think my foot would fit, and I would never kick her there either) - but more times I want to drink cocktails with her all night.

She's annoyingly (and rarely in this industry) unique - and I give her the respect for that.

[bluesoul]

I meant JOanna JETT oops..I always say Joanna Angel damnit!! Well both are great women that make a shit load off porn..

And Christian and Blue Sol you can discount what I say..but one of Christian's Bosses himself said what I said in his BLOG...DISCOUNT THAT..

http://grooby.com/seanchai/steven/model-ts-website-real-facts.html

http://media.heavy.com/media/2012/08/thumbsup.gif

if you had read the replies, you'd have noticed "one of christian's bosses" had also said the same thing to you on page 1 (http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showpost.php?p=1467446&postcount=10)

[Donkey]

^^ I will say this Bluesol..I don't have to escort..I own a home..I make loads of money with out leaving my house..I can pick and choose what scenes I do..

I have other businesses and the list goes on..

I may not be the greatest or the smartest..

But I make good money at what I DO :)
Kelly, I think much of your success is due to the fact that you live a stable and grounded personal life, which allows you to lead a stable and grounded career. And this is largely due to the fact that you are "married" to a stable and grounded white collar professional. Having his income, support, and partnership has certainly helped your cause. You are much smarter than the average tgirl in this way. If more tgirls chose your path, we would see a lot more stable, successful, healthy TS.

[TSLoverIB]

Yeh seems like you are right kelly. So Many Trans woman are escorting as porn maybe dying off. I see exactly what you are stating.

[LilyRox]

Great video. Stuff I already knew or figured but still good information. Any profession you get into you should always have a backup plan especially if you're an entrepreneur.