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Kevin Dong
03-07-2014, 05:01 PM
2.5 million in damages :D

(CNN) -- A transgender woman prohibited from competing in a strength competition as a female is suing the fitness company sponsoring the competition, seeking $2.5 million in damages.

Chloie Jonnson, a personal trainer, charges the CrossFit company with discrimination, intentional infliction of emotional distress and unfair competition in a lawsuit filed Thursday in Santa Cruz, California.

While her lawyer calls it a case of discrimination against transgender people, CrossFit's lawyer calls it protecting the competition.

Last year, Jonnson sought to compete in the CrossFit Games, a contest aimed at determining the fittest man and woman.

According to the lawsuit, Jonnson has identified herself as a female since her teenage years and is legally recognized by California as a woman. She had sexual reassignment surgery in 2006 and has been on female hormone therapy, according to her lawsuit.

The lawsuit alleges that a CrossFit teammate of Jonnson's sent an anonymous e-mail to the games organizers asking about transgender athletes in the competition. CrossFit determined that competitors in the event had to compete in the gender of their birth.

Jonnson disagreed with its decision and the dispute has escalated to a lawsuit.

CrossFit maintains that Jonnson was born as a male, so she should compete in the men's division, according to a letter from the company's lawyer to Jonnson's attorney. It also stated that the company had an "obligation to protect the 'rights' of all competitors and the competition itself."

"The fundamental, ineluctable fact is that a male competitor who has a sex reassignment procedure still has a genetic makeup that confers a physical and physiological advantage over women," according to the letter from CrossFit's lawyer sent in October.

CNN reached out to CrossFit but did not get a response on Thursday. The letter from CrossFit was provided to CNN by Jonnson's attorney, Waukeen McCoy, who blasted the company's decision.

"(Jonnson) doesn't have an advantage over other women. She's been on estrogen for such a long time," he said about his client.

Hormone replacement therapy for transgender women includes anti-androgen therapy, which nullifies the effects of testosterone to reduce the masculine features of the body. Therapies can also consist of the hormones, estrogen and progesterone to feminize the body.

Transgender men receive the opposite types of hormones -- mainly testosterone to masculinze their bodies with features such as increased muscle and hair growth.

McCoy said that CrossFit should change its rules to be more like the International Olympic Committee, which allows transgender athletes to compete in their identified gender after undergoing sexual reassignment surgery.

"She's female," McCoy said about Jonnson. "She's legally female. A corporation like CrossFit, they're doing business in California. The law precludes from discrimination on gender identity."

He said Jonnson seeks a reversal in the competition's policy.

The lawsuit also alleges that CrossFit's policy of having to compete in a person's original birth gender, would require that transgender athletes would have to reveal their personal histories. In essence, that they'd have to "out" themselves, even if they sought privacy, the lawsuit alleges.

After her sexual reassignment surgery, Jonnson changed all her records to reflect her sex change to female, including her birth certificate, according to her lawsuit. Jonnson kept her background a secret and did not identify herself as transgender, according to the complaint.

In a press release statement, Jonnson said: "If I am going to be forced to out myself, I want it to be for the good for all transgendered people and athletes -- not because of a company's discriminatory policies."

link (http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/07/us/transgender-lawsuit-crossfit/index.html?hpt=hp_t2)

CORVETTEDUDE
03-07-2014, 08:38 PM
She should be allowed to compete!!!

Kevin Dong
03-07-2014, 09:34 PM
I should sue bodybuilding for giving me bad knees

evilguy919
03-07-2014, 11:58 PM
I'm all for transgender right. HOWEVER, this is a few time I'm disagree with them. From a competitive point of view, she does have advantage over nature born female. Even with hormone therapy, her male physical capabilities is still there. Now it might not at it full potential because of the hormone, but she still have some of it qualities like stronger tendons, denser bones, better muscles placement on the body...etc.

lifeisfiction
03-08-2014, 12:39 AM
I should sue bodybuilding for giving me bad knees

Its not bodybuilding that gave you bad knees according to your models.

Kevin Dong
03-08-2014, 12:49 AM
Its not bodybuilding that gave you bad knees according to your models.

said the guy that is lusting for transsexuals on a forum

AshlynCreamher
03-08-2014, 01:12 AM
I'm all for transgender right. HOWEVER, this is a few time I'm disagree with them. From a competitive point of view, she does have advantage over nature born female. Even with hormone therapy, her male physical capabilities is still there. Now it might not at it full potential because of the hormone, but she still have some of it qualities like stronger tendons, denser bones, better muscles placement on the body...etc.

I'm sorry but I have to disagree with you.

She has been on horomes for over 8 years and as a result of srs her body no longer produces the hormone androgen. She is now just as much woman as anyother. I have been on estrogen for 20 months and mark my words "all my male muscle is bye bye" and that includes some of it qualities like stronger tendons, denser bones, better muscles placement on the body that you mention. Any muscle she has now is a result of her going to a gym everyday which any woman can do.

Its wrong to exclude her from any competition.

lifeisfiction
03-08-2014, 01:12 AM
I will have no qualms saying my bad knees were from giving oral sex, lol.

Always_aUnicorn
03-08-2014, 01:12 AM
In response to evil guy. Please educate yourself. In most cases a trans woman produce less testorone than Cis woman. Maybe the girls you know are just the rough kind. Read more than just trans forums. Guys like you are the reason girls like me lose respect for some of y'all sometimes.

Kevin Dong
03-08-2014, 01:19 AM
In response to evil guy. Please educate yourself. In most cases a trans woman produce less testorone than Cis woman. Maybe the girls you know are just the rough kind. Read more than just trans forums. Guys like you are the reason girls like me lose respect for some of y'all sometimes.

speaking of unicorns

bluesoul
03-08-2014, 01:26 AM
2.5 million in damages :D


lol @ damages

Kevin Dong
03-08-2014, 01:30 AM
lol @ damages

I think the real question here is WOULD YOU HIT IT

fred41
03-08-2014, 01:49 AM
I think the real question here is WOULD YOU HIT IT

Hmmm would I ? ...let's see....

livepersona
03-08-2014, 02:37 AM
This is a tough one. I think an organization should be allowed to determine what their policies are for competition. On the other-hand this is a new era and there is not enough tests to show how taking hormones can decrease muscle in transgendered women. From what I understand she had gender reassignment surgery? If that is correct I would allow her to compete in the women's division.

Not to make light of the situation but if someone cuts off their nuts then that is a determining factor for me. If not, then maybe there is a point. Either way I don't think she'll win the lawsuit and don't think that the Crossfit is being discriminatory in any way.

I just don't think there is a straight forward answer for situations like these.

Tapatio
03-08-2014, 03:53 AM
It would've interesting to see if folks who responded to a similar thread from Erika have the same opinion of this chick.

Of course this isn't fair.

ilovelamp
03-08-2014, 05:25 AM
The olympics has allowed transgender athletes to compete for about a decade. And they typically have pretty strict guidelines for an athletes eligibility. Muscle mass and bone density both decrease after enough time on estrogen. Trans women, like cis women, are at a higher risk of osteoporosis later in life because of the changes to bone density.

The biggest thing that can create an athletic advantage is testosterone. There are 3 things that produce testosterone in humans: testes, ovaries, and adrenal glands. If a trans woman has had SRS, then she now only has one source of testosterone production, whereas a cis woman still has two. And often trans women have less testosterone levels in their body, so in fact they can actually be at a competitive disadvantage.

BLKGSXR
03-08-2014, 05:41 AM
I should sue bodybuilding for giving me bad knees
No thats from being flatfooted sir! Lol.

jniowa
03-08-2014, 08:25 PM
I think the real question here is WOULD YOU HIT IT

Yes I would

MrBest
03-08-2014, 10:29 PM
she probably using ped

mildcigar_2001
03-08-2014, 11:09 PM
While I commend transgender athletes for wanting to compete, the need to realize that they are in that in between category and it really is not fair to the female athletes whom they want to compete against.

Sorry as most everyone (TS or not) has likely figured out by now that life is not fair. It harms the TS community as a whole when these individuals try force themselves into these type of competitions.

Kevin Dong
03-08-2014, 11:13 PM
she probably using ped

ban Crossfit