Why are so many STR8 men attracted to preop TS??

[giovanni_hotel]

I know for some guys their sexuality was fluid to begin with and TS women just fit into the mix.

But before tgirls I was just a random straight Black man; 100% firm believer in vagina, never touched another dick besides my own. Never had a desire to do so. Borderline homophobic.

Until my head got opened up by TS women.:salad

Now I'm a full blown chaser/admirer/lover of ts chicks, and if I had more opportunity to date casually trans-women IRL I could see myself in a LTR with one.

It's hard for me to believe it's a latent repressed attraction because what man knew about TS....until he KNEW??

I've done everything sexually with a TS except get fucked, and always crave to do everything over again, but if you'd told be 8 years ago I'd ever 69 with a preop TS or beg her to cum while she's stroking off in the missionary, I would've laughed in your face because I knew you were crazy.

Just like to hear some theories about how a normal straight dude gets from there to here.

Or is all this just a minor quirk of bi/heterosexual attraction???

Not confused, just curious.

This isn't an 'am I gay' question twist, because I don't know of any gay men who in their 30s discover they have a wild lust for preop TS men or GG pussy.

Or is it some as of yet unknown rule of attraction that TS women and hetero men are made for each other??

[saifan]

Worth a read if you haven't already:
I am a trans woman. My sisters are trans women. We are not secrets. We are not shameful. We are worthy of respect, desire, and love. As there are many kinds of women, there are many kinds of men, and many men desire many kinds of women, trans women are amongst these women. And let’s be clear: Trans women are women.
http://janetmock.com/2013/09/12/men-who-date-attracted-to-trans-women-stigma/

[Tina Francis]

Men are visually stimulated. That's why photographic porn is as big as it is. It's why women wear revealing clothing and high heels - they want to attract men. Transwomen seem to know this better than natal women; I believe they have a better sense of how to be alluring to men. And even the straightest man will fall for long eyelashes and a full decolletage, despite the extra part.

[dennishyde]

There are many things that can answer this question ... but for me one of the main things that attracts me is that many of the Pre Op TS's are actually more Beautiful that GG's ... they take more pride in their appearence and their behavior too.
They Dress well, make themselves up and are so much more appealing etc etc .... well thats just my viewpoint :)

[TSCURIOUS]

In my 20's I had a girlfriend that loved to pay "extra" attention to my butt. Later in life I had another who did the same. With the second one I started to like it.
Progress to GG with Strap On-----
Progress to TS with the REAL thing
Simple-
Natural progression?
Works for me-

[nysprod]

Who say they str8 lol

[Dino Velvet]

If you include TS ladies it increases the pool of broads for you to put your wiener inside of.

[lifeisfiction]

Its simple straight men are attracted to women. TS are women, I just never got when people think if you like TS then you must be gay. Many assume its just the penis to why you are attracted. Sad shame. Its the whole package, unless your are bi or gay (and you may have different reasons for the attraction), the main reason you are attracted is because they are sexy women.

[TSCURIOUS]

^^ what my brother from another mother said!

[EZWind]

...Just like to hear some theories about how a normal straight dude gets from there to here.

I sometimes wonder about that same thing as well. Like you, I don't consider myself gay or even bi curious. In fact, the idea of sex w/ a man is so repulsive to me I don't even see how women can do it.
Yet here I am, fantasizing about Vicki Richter and drooling over Joanna Jet.
I think for me, not to get all Freudian about it, it may have something to do w/ my preference for strong women. As a client in the pay for play situations, I found myself being drawn to the Dominant Mistress types, figuring if I'm paying for it I may as well go for something more exotic and less vanilla. And there's nothing more exotic and powerful than a woman wielding a nice big dick. I've also had a coupla girlfriends who've enjoyed utilizing the strapon in their amorous activities so in the interest of doing my best to please my partner I got over any initial trepidation I may have had about it. The way I look at it, dicks are okay, Hell, I've got one and I like it a lot and I like using it, so why shouldn't they?
So I guess the logical extension of a woman w/ a strapon would be a woman w/ an actual flesh and bone cock. I spose that's what my own fascination w/ pre-op TS stems from.
A great many are pretty much dudes w/ store bought boobs and a wig, but then there's the Barbie Woods and the Khloe Harts and hoo boy, they just melt me.
Bottom line I just sorta stopped wondering why and just go with it because what's a po boy to do? If it feels good, do it.

[longestnamever]

I blame my attraction to ts on my porn addiction. Once I started watching I couldn't stop.

[Flaco]

There are so many reasons why straight guys would be attracted to TS girls. It varies for each situation. For me, I stumbled across Tranny porn when I was merely 13. I think of my lust and attraction to Tgirls as a fire. Through high school that fire and desire for Tgirls was in me, but it was a small, minute fire. My attraction to GG's was much stronger than that fire in those times. I loved genetic women, and I didn't even think of them as "Genetic" those were the only women I knew in those times. I loved pussy and I was attracted to females, I was like your average teen back then. I used to occasionally rub one out to tranny porn every now and then and I would immediately feel horrible afterwards. I had to be extremely horny to even watch Tranny porn. Somehow over time, that fire inside of me that represents my attraction to TS started to grow stronger. And it kept growing stronger, and now im in my early 20s and it still continues to grow. It has completely engulfed me at this point. Most of the time I don't even look at chicks on the street anymore. The little things that used to turn me on about genetic females do nothing for me now. The other day I was thinking in my mind "Damn, Pussy is so disgusting. Thank God I don't have to deal with that nasty shit anymore." Then I thought to myself like "Wow, have I really changed this much?".

[nysprod]

In all seriousness I think the more interesting question is how does a grown man, who never once even fantasized about homosexual encounters, stumble into the TS world and all of a sudden get very into what he finds...that he loves cock when it's attached to a person who presents as female.

There are at least 3 constants among men into MTF transsexuals:

1. To a man, none were ever attracted to other men and in fact, many are repulsed at the thought of having homosexual sex.

2. Somewhere between 60% and 70% want to bottom whether they are vers or bottom only.

3. All men into TS women, top, bottom, or vers, want to give head.

It's just a fascinating question to me...cock attached to a man = no attraction...cock attached to a person presenting as female = big attraction.

[bigkid69]

I just love women, all kinds.

[Jackal]

Its simple straight men are attracted to women. TS are women

I don't see how a straight guy could see a photo of Jessica Versace and not think she is damn fine! Now, maybe he might only be interested in vaginal intercourse and uninterested in actual sex but a lot of transwomen are just amazing beauties and it is not surprising a straight guy would find them attractive. No way a straight guy who sees a hot transwoman walking down the street does not check her out.

[giovanni_hotel]

In all seriousness I think the more interesting question is how does a grown man, who never once even fantasized about homosexual encounters, stumble into the TS world and all of a sudden get very into what he finds...that he loves cock when it's attached to a person who presents as female.

There are at least 3 constants among men into MTF transsexuals:

1. To a man, none were ever attracted to other men and in fact, many are repulsed at the thought of having homosexual sex.

2. Somewhere between 60% and 70% want to bottom whether they are vers or bottom only.

3. All men into TS women, top, bottom, or vers, want to give head.

It's just a fascinating question to me...cock attached to a man = no attraction...cock attached to a person presenting as female = big attraction.

You nailed it. I'm just trying to understand how a guy goes from all in for the pussy to years later going down on a TS and craving the sensation of stretching her ass out.

It's an odd journey.

Do 60-70% of trans-attracted men want to bottom? I dunno. I've heard escorts say the number's extremely high among clients, but for TS in relationships is it still the same??

I know I went through a period when I realized from a women's climax point of view, most GG porn is fake. The women go through the motions moaning and groaning, then pretend to cum before the male costar busts over her face/ass/boobs.

There's no confusion whether or not a trans-woman has an orgasm, which really intrigued me in the beginning.:geek:

Maybe trans-attracted men have a more inclusive view of femininity and find the androgyny inherent in TS appealing??

I really have no clue how I got to where I am, but I'm glad that I'm here.:fuckin:

[sukumvit boy]

In all seriousness I think the more interesting question is how does a grown man, who never once even fantasized about homosexual encounters, stumble into the TS world and all of a sudden get very into what he finds...that he loves cock when it's attached to a person who presents as female.

There are at least 3 constants among men into MTF transsexuals:

1. To a man, none were ever attracted to other men and in fact, many are repulsed at the thought of having homosexual sex.

2. Somewhere between 60% and 70% want to bottom whether they are vers or bottom only.

3. All men into TS women, top, bottom, or vers, want to give head.

It's just a fascinating question to me...cock attached to a man = no attraction...cock attached to a person presenting as female = big attraction.
:Bowdown: Good overview , those numbers sound right to me , just curious as to where you got them.

[Tapatio]

I'm with nysprod- who said they're straight?

I don't know- I don't even know for myself- frankly, I don't even care.

This isn't an "am I gay" thread. It's a "I'm not gay, you're not gay" thread.

But tits alone don't make it straight. And not all of them (in my experience) are the hyper-feminine juggernauts we're idealizing.

Plenty of girls devoid of feminine charm seem to get a lot of love, as king as their dick is big enough.

Idealizing, objectifying, whatever you want to call it- it comes down to the penis. And when that's gone, most interest fades.


Ooh, idea: A year from now, let's take a look at all the vagina-based Kimber threads.

[fingerhold]

Well for one I would love to try sucking cock but I am not at all attracted to men. Now a smooth, soft, nice smelling girl with a cock... umm yea I would try.

Second I have been pegged by a GG with a strap on and really liked it. I would love to see what it feels like with a real cock but again I am not at all attracted to men.

To date all of this is fantasy as I have never been with a Transgendered woman.

[Tapatio]

In all seriousness I think the more interesting question is how does a grown man, who never once even fantasized about homosexual encounters, stumble into the TS world and all of a sudden get very into what he finds...that he loves cock when it's attached to a person who presents as female.

There are at least 3 constants among men into MTF transsexuals:

1. To a man, none were ever attracted to other men and in fact, many are repulsed at the thought of having homosexual sex.

2. Somewhere between 60% and 70% want to bottom whether they are vers or bottom only.

3. All men into TS women, top, bottom, or vers, want to give head.

It's just a fascinating question to me...cock attached to a man = no attraction...cock attached to a person presenting as female = big attraction.

I think 2 is confusing. What % of "bottoms" don't want to bottom? What was the sample size, and how many bottoms v vers responded?

For 1, it should say "to a man, all claim that they were never attracted to other men." We can't assess the veracity of their statements. C'mon, not a single one of you had any homosexual urges? Highly dubious. Oh, yeah, you're repulsed.

For 3- I'm willing to bet that's true. A lot of guys say they never do it but I bet they just don't want to think of themselves as cocksuckers.

Cock attached to a man? Guilt attached to the attraction.

Cock attached to a TS? The argument can be made....

[Tapatio]

The other day I was thinking in my mind "Damn, Pussy is so disgusting. Thank God I don't have to deal with that nasty shit anymore." Then I thought to myself like "Wow, have I really changed this much?".


Walk into the light.

[giovanni_hotel]

I'm with nysprod- who said they're straight?

I don't know- I don't even know for myself- frankly, I don't even care.

This isn't an "am I gay" thread. It's a "I'm not gay, you're not gay" thread.

But tits alone don't make it straight. And not all of them (in my experience) are the hyper-feminine juggernauts we're idealizing.

Plenty of girls devoid of feminine charm seem to get a lot of love, as king as their dick is big enough.

Idealizing, objectifying, whatever you want to call it- it comes down to the penis. And when that's gone, most interest fades.


Ooh, idea: A year from now, let's take a look at all the vagina-based Kimber threads.


Interest in a TS might fade once she becomes postop, but the interest in pussy doesn't for guys like myself. I still fuck GG and enjoy it, but my attraction to TS is greater.

You can call me a fag/gay whatever for liking TS, but that wasn't the discussion.

It was about why is the attraction there in the first place??

I knew someone would step up and say the attraction by so called straight men to TS is more about latent homosexuality and TS' obvious cock, but unless I was in a committed relationship with a TS who had SRS, given a choice I'm choosing GG pussy over TS pussy in most situations(Gia excluded.)

Don't project why you feel the way you do onto others. Just like the guys who were into pegging before they discovered TS, that's their experience and journey and their personal truth about why they find TS attractive.

It's still different from mine.

Using your argument, if all trans-attracted men are latent homos, then all TS are gay men in denial.

Don't bring that nonsense in this thread.

If guys were only attracted to 'wigs on a football' packing the biggest cock, Sean really needs to change his business model.

I think most of us are past looking for the appropriate label for being a trans-attracted man.

[MyersJ85]

I'm just attracted to a beautiful woman. Don't really care what's between the legs. There's plenty of T-Girls out there who can put GG's to shame, and if they gave me the chance I would be all over it.

[Tapatio]

Interest in a TS might fade once she becomes postop, but the interest in pussy doesn't for guys like myself. I still fuck GG and enjoy it, but my attraction to TS is greater.

You can call me a fag/gay whatever for liking TS, but that wasn't the discussion.

It was about why is the attraction there in the first place??

I knew someone would step up and say the attraction by so called straight men to TS is more about latent homosexuality and TS' obvious cock, but unless I was in a committed relationship with a TS who had SRS, given a choice I'm choosing GG pussy over TS pussy in most situations(Gia excluded.)

Don't project why you feel the way you do onto others. Just like the guys who were into pegging before they discovered TS, that's their experience and journey and their personal truth about why they find TS attractive.

It's still different from mine.

Using your argument, if all trans-attracted men are latent homos, then all TS are gay men in denial.

Don't bring that nonsense in this thread.

If guys were only attracted to 'wigs on a football' packing the biggest cock, Sean really needs to change his business model.

I think most of us are past looking for the appropriate label for being a trans-attracted man.

Oh goodness, I wasn't talking about everybody. I don't know "all" trans attracted men and wouldn't dream of speaking for them anyway.

I'm certainly not projecting. I'm honest with myself, and don't need to in order to be OK with myself.

And I certainly wasn't putting a label on you.

The nonsense I brought into this thread was an opposing viewpoint, an alternate option.

I won't insult you further.

[nysprod]

You nailed it. I'm just trying to understand how a guy goes from all in for the pussy to years later going down on a TS and craving the sensation of stretching her ass out.

It's an odd journey.

Do 60-70% of trans-attracted men want to bottom? I dunno. I've heard escorts say the number's extremely high among clients, but for TS in relationships is it still the same??


Yeah, that's a fascinating question to me, and it has nothing to do with any of the "am i gay" bullshit...I'm simply amazed at how that works since it happened to me that way.

60% to 70% is based on several polls I've seen here regarding what guys want to see in TS porn, and guys getting topped is definitely the majority choice. But men who are into TS women who identify as top only are the minority. Curiously, although men are very into lesbian porn, TS on TS remains the least popular category.

TS women in relationships? IMO that remains a very rare phenomenon.


:Bowdown: Good overview , those numbers sound right to me , just curious as to where you got them.

See above...also, in reading the various escort review threads the talk is all about bottoming.


I'm with nysprod- who said they're straight

That was a joke I put lol after it.


I think 2 is confusing. What % of "bottoms" don't want to bottom? What was the sample size, and how many bottoms v vers responded?

For 1, it should say "to a man, all claim that they were never attracted to other men." We can't assess the veracity of their statements. C'mon, not a single one of you had any homosexual urges? Highly dubious. Oh, yeah, you're repulsed.

For 3- I'm willing to bet that's true. A lot of guys say they never do it but I bet they just don't want to think of themselves as cocksuckers.

Cock attached to a man? Guilt attached to the attraction.

Cock attached to a TS? The argument can be made....

You're confused, I didn't say there's a percentage of bottoms that don't want to bottom, that makes no sense.

No gay men switch from men to TS women, it's all heteros that do...homosexual urges...possible...but again, men who identify as gay finding an attraction to TS women at some point later in life does not happen.

No guys say they don't go down on TS women although some may choose to remain silent...but every guy who is active gives head whether he admits it or not and those who are not active want to.


I'm just attracted to a beautiful woman. Don't really care what's between the legs. There's plenty of T-Girls out there who can put GG's to shame, and if they gave me the chance I would be all over it.

This is a form of denial...it's absurd to think there's a guy who doesn't care about what's between the legs...guys think about what's between the legs on an extremely frequent basis...we're obsessed about what's between the legs.

[CORVETTEDUDE]

What difference does it make?? (Well, that excuse worked for Hillary!)

[Tapatio]

2. Somewhere between 60% and 70% want to bottom whether they are vers or bottom only.





You're confused, I didn't say there's a percentage of bottoms that don't want to bottom, that makes no sense.



This is a form of denial...it's absurd to think there's a guy who doesn't care about what's between the legs...guys think about what's between the legs on an extremely frequent basis...we're obsessed about what's between the legs.



And I quote: 2. Somewhere between 60% and 70% want to bottom whether they are vers or bottom only. The statement assumes a poll in which versatile and bottom only guys responded.

Why the fuck would you put bottom only guys in that poll? Their answer is "yes." (My "% of bottoms who don't want to bottom" comment was poking at this.). Self identifying "tops" would be more meaningful. Which brings us to the other corrupting factors- sample size and number of bottom only guys in the group.

I believe that statistic to be confused.

I'm with you on the rest. Cock, denial, etc.

[nysprod]

Somewhere between 60% and 70% of guys want to bottom and it could actually be higher, but it will not be lower...within that group there are men who identify either as vers or bottom only...I suspect out of that group a strong majority will identify as vers because men into TS women identify as straight and straight men generally want to put their dick into something at some point.

[stan.smith]

I consider myself 100% STR8. love women love pussy love tits and love gorgeous faces, and yes i admit i am homophobic but i feel there are many reasons atleast why str8 men/ im attracted to ts women. here they are

1) attraction to something unique. some1 posted here a youtube video on why men are attracted to shemales, and because its out of the norm. kinda like when u mix blue and red to get purple. it "shudnt be" that way yet we /I cant keep my eyes off it. its the architecture of mixing 2 things we know and creating something beautiful unique and out of this world!

2) i realized/ saw gorgeous ts women who were hotter and prettier than the majority of girls i went to school/college with.

3) to all men the sight of a penis isnt that disturbing cuz well we all have one. but to see a penis on a gorgeous girl who never in a million years u wud have guessed she was born a male.... now that attracts us

4) we dont percieve/view ts cock as a male body part but a part of a woman's body, cuz if we did that wud make us gay!

[STARTUP999]

I like the ladies, some of them just happen to have a penis. So what?

My story is like a lot of you guys. First became aware of TG ladies from day time talk shows in my teens and early 20's, later porn, escorts, hook ups, then real relationships.

At first it was only full breasted girls, later I started to appreciate girls in earlier stages of transition. Then I opened up to part time and trap type girls.

A very conservative homophobic upbringing probably contributed to my early navel gazing about what does this make me??? stuff so I am a little more sympathetic to guys with those am I gay? issues than some.

But after a while I just decided it doesn't matter. Since I really really enjoy sucking TG cock and being topped and watching a girls cock flop and dribble while I am topping, Pat Robinson would probably say I'm gay. But I like to think I matured to the point that I don't care what Pat or anybody else labels me.

[Helvis2012]

There's a lot involved, but hey, it's whatever turns you on.

I think sometimes too much attention is wasted wondering. If people felt like their decision evoked no real opinion either way, we would all live a much happier world.

[mrLemon]

Us males are basic, simple and honest! We see a pretty face and we are aroused!!
How we went from there to here is an odd thing...I don't know!
I was on a generic porn site, thought it was MFF scene and it wasn't!! 1 fella and 2 beautiful ts girls with pretty big packages and watched the whole 20 minutes or so!

We see the photos and videos and now that's all we want to see or variations thereof. We search for these beauties and fantasise over them, and our demand of what was a small niche is huge now! thank goodness!!

thought...why is a gorgeous girls cock so much more attractive??

Alfred Lord..ours is not to reason why..

[Prospero]

Tennyson...lol....finish the quote "ours is but to do and die." errrrrrr

[mrLemon]

ahh ok my bad! I googled that one, not that up on my literature :Bowdown:

[boner]

Good topic. I think it's a process for a lot of guys. The femininity of a TS attracts self identifying straight guys initially. When they find out she has a cock, there's a crisis because they feel they shouldn't be lusting after anyone with a penis. The girl however is so damn hot they make an exception. Then they find out there's a lot of beautiful women with cocks and it's like discovering girls all over again.

For me, I used to try to block out the cock every time I looked at a pre op TS. As time went on I realized I really did like seeing it.

[giovanni_hotel]

Then they find out there's a lot of beautiful women with cocks and it's like discovering girls all over again.

For me, I used to try to block out the cock every time I looked at a pre op TS. As time went on I realized I really did like seeing it.

+1. Agreed.

[nysprod]

Men who are into MTF transsexuals are attracted to the feminine form and remain attracted to that...but as far as being attracted to pre-op girls specifically, the majority of guys who are into the TS scene want to bottom and pretty much all guys into the TS scene want to give head...obviously, post-ops can't do that.

[STARTUP999]

"For me, I used to try to block out the cock every time I looked at a pre op TS. As time went on I realized I really did like seeing it."-]boner

Same here I never noticed cocks at all, before I started enjoying TG ladies. I was surprised how are as different as fingerprints.

I went from seeing to touching, something really erotic about caressing a woman's cock. Soon I sucked my first one (just prepping her to enter me I meekly told myself) I was hooked. The textures, aromas and taste, the power of pleasuring someone so intimately, I get as or more turned on by sucking than she does. It is probably not too far off to say its an addition now.

[giovanni_hotel]

Men who are into MTF transsexuals are attracted to the feminine form and remain attracted to that...but as far as being attracted to pre-op girls specifically, the majority of guys who are into the TS scene want to bottom and pretty much all guys into the TS scene want to give head...obviously, post-ops can't do that.

What percentage of exclusively gay men do you believe are bottoms by preference??

The 'majority of guys' into TS are bottoms just seems high to me, but I have no clue. By majority do you mean 51% or 75+%??

I have a hard time believing there's a higher percentage of men into TS who prefer to be topped than strictly gay men who are bottoms.

[Ciffer]

For me it's simple. I like to know when my partner has an orgasm. I have always been attracted to women and I see TG/TS as women, sometimes very aggressive women but hey that's ok. At first it was a matter of pushing my limits but now it's my nature. Started out as a top but now I'm vers. Never thought about giving a blow job when I was young but really enjoy it now.

In my mind it's not the genitalia that make you a man or a women it's the personality, characteristics, and disposition. I can't comment on post ops as I have never been with one but would certainly give it a try if the right situation arose.

I do know that I am not attracted to men or TG Men. Does nothing for me up to this point. However if my feelings where to change I would likely give that a try as well. With age comes wisdom. It's been my observation that people who really enjoy sex tend to dabble in the non-conventional. It's a rare event when I hear my friends who are stuck in the status quo rave about how hot their sex was. On the contrary, I have been in LTR's with TG women and the sex remained exciting throughout the entire time we were together. Can't say the same was true with most of my GG relationships.

Guess it's not that simple of an answer but it's an honest account of my feelings.

[nysprod]

What percentage of exclusively gay men do you believe are bottoms by preference??

The 'majority of guys' into TS are bottoms just seems high to me, but I have no clue. By majority do you mean 51% or 75+%??

I have a hard time believing there's a higher percentage of men into TS who prefer to be topped than strictly gay men who are bottoms.

I have no idea about the percentage of gay men who prefer to bottom...60% to 70% of men who are attracted to MTF transsexuals want to bottom at some point although I suspect the vast majority of those are vers, and probably the percentage is higher among men who consistently see TS escorts...again, I have no idea if "there's a higher percentage of men into TS who prefer to be topped than strictly gay men who are bottoms."

[Dondio]

This is recent for me, I'm totally str8 and no attraction to dick, don't want anything to do with it. So for me, I just think it's that some of the TS are extremely HOT so they are great to look at it. As far as an actual encounter, I've thought about it but unlikely as all I could do is top....like I said, no dick for me so I would probably lose interest pretty quick if I was expected to handle a cock.

[TSCURIOUS]

^ But when you look at them - you see the cock?
Just sayin'---

[sulyamonogatari]

at some point i asked myself honestly if i was gay, but i dont like masculinity. the penis i find sexual, but beyond that, i dont find men attractive. never have, probably never will.

why do i like them? well, porn. i saw it, and at first was confused, but then i was curious.
i dont think it matters why you are attracted, or what you're attracted to. just be yourself.

theres nothing wrong with accepting you find the penis to be sexual, thats just what it is. if you arent gay you arent gay, simple

[nysprod]

This is recent for me, I'm totally str8 and no attraction to dick, don't want anything to do with it. So for me, I just think it's that some of the TS are extremely HOT so they are great to look at it. As far as an actual encounter, I've thought about it but unlikely as all I could do is top....like I said, no dick for me so I would probably lose interest pretty quick if I was expected to handle a cock.

Non-sequitur, hasn't yet acted out, no relevance.

[sherricd]

IME, the majority of "straight" guys attracted to TGs have crossdressing desires or fetishes of their own. It's a way of acting out without taking the plunge themselves, I guess.

[wearboots4me]

Men are visually stimulated. That's why photographic porn is as big as it is. It's why women wear revealing clothing and high heels - they want to attract men. Transwomen seem to know this better than natal women; I believe they have a better sense of how to be alluring to men. And even the straightest man will fall for long eyelashes and a full decolletage, despite the extra part.

As a man, I totally agree with that.

[Ciffer]

IME, the majority of "straight" guys attracted to TGs have crossdressing desires or fetishes of their own. It's a way of acting out without taking the plunge themselves, I guess.
Not my experience. Any time I went looking for crotchless lingerie it was for my partner, either cis or trans girl. I personally have no desire to slip into them or to become a TG myself. Two of my friends who frequent TG's feel the same. Then again who knows, I never asked them to strip down so I could do a Victoria's Secret check. As far as fetishes go, doesn't everyone have some kind or another?

[TSCURIOUS]

Well said!
One day - take the plunge and it will answer a lot of your questions.
It's not wrong - one of life's journey's.
AND - If you do and don't like it - DON'T beat yourself up over trying.
All good!


at some point i asked myself honestly if i was gay, but i dont like masculinity. the penis i find sexual, but beyond that, i dont find men attractive. never have, probably never will.

why do i like them? well, porn. i saw it, and at first was confused, but then i was curious.
i dont think it matters why you are attracted, or what you're attracted to. just be yourself.

theres nothing wrong with accepting you find the penis to be sexual, thats just what it is. if you arent gay you arent gay, simple

[wearboots4me]

IME, the majority of "straight" guys attracted to TGs have crossdressing desires or fetishes of their own. It's a way of acting out without taking the plunge themselves, I guess.

I have fetishes (you probably figured it out from my name on here, lol), and I think that is a part of my attraction to TS. I had fetishes before I ever knew what a TS person was. But, I get turned on by the fact that some tgirls get turned on by wearing the clothes I like to see them in. That some of them share my fetish from the other "side", so to speak. I think that's the biggest difference between TS and genetic, even bigger than their genitals. I never felt a desire to be a woman or dress as one. I think the gender you identify with does not necessarily determine who you find attractive.

[Dondio]

Fuck Off pal, is this like a AA forum? No matter what you say, you're a "Dry Drunk"...Human beings, ain't that somethin

[Tapatio]

Yes! Dry drinks for everyone.

[wearboots4me]

Yes! Dry drinks for everyone.
I could go for a dry martini right now.

[SXFX]

One word.
Femininity

A vast number of American women seem to have forgotten or no longer care to be feminine.

and as a straight man what do i want from my partner?
One word
Femininity

[buttslinger]

Suspension of disbelief or willing suspension of disbelief is a term coined in 1817 by the poet and aesthetic philosopher Samuel Taylor Coleridge, who suggested that if a writer could infuse a "human interest and a semblance of truth" into a fantastic tale, the reader would suspend judgment ...

fantastic tail?

The Transsexuals I see in the 'burbs really aren't that attractive, and I'm not sure you take a Tgirl to meet the kinfolk on Thanksgiving no matter how beautiful she is.

But for a porn star or hooker, female eyes are female eyes.

[Dondio]

One word.
Femininity

A vast number of American women seem to have forgotten or no longer care to be feminine.

and as a straight man what do i want from my partner?
One word
Femininity

Glad I wasn't the only one that has noticed that, thanks! No makeup, haven't taken a shower or washed their hair, like to talk about Football....Oh yeah, about as sexy as the colonoscopy I just had done

[Tapatio]

Now you're on about the trappings of a woman.

It's mostly on the inside. That's the point.

Just don't mention the cock at all and you'll be fine.

[Vladimir Putin]

Straight men like TS women just like straight men like GG women. Whether a woman has a pussy or a dick does not determine your sexual orientation.

In other words, a guy liking a female-to-male TS with a pussy is gay.

[Tina Francis]

One word.
Femininity

A vast number of American women seem to have forgotten or no longer care to be feminine.

and as a straight man what do i want from my partner?
One word
Femininity

^THIS^

I posted this vid in Dino's thread as a joke, but then I thought what a great tool it would be to what draws me to certain transwomen. And that is their intense, almost coy femininity. Liliana has a gentle charm that is sadly becoming a lost art. She is just adorable.

Makeup | Gorgeous Green Eyes - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nLXfKI_EZQ)

[wearboots4me]

S I'm not sure you take a Tgirl to meet the kinfolk on Thanksgiving no matter how beautiful she is.

I don't know, if I met a trans girl, and if she was "the one" I think I could and my family would deal with it. That said, I just don't meet a lot of trans girls, so it's never come up.

[steviex00]

A lot of shit talked in this thread - I don't mean to be rude, but there isn't one definitive answer to the question asked by the OP.
For myself, I've always put my love of tgirls down to watching porn and inevitably seeing hung hard cocks performing. Then, discovering tgirls with their own hung cocks, my curiosity as to how they would feel and presto, I now love tgirls!
Also, if it is less about the cock and more about the feminine woman, how come so many sites and threads on this board are dedicated to big cocks?
Don't kid yourselves guys - it's the cocks we all love, big, hard, throbbing cocks. I'm not scared to admit it but like a previous poster said, I find the thought of sex with men repulsive. But a shemale? Well that's different....

[brickcitybrother]

There's actually a comprehensive study on this (and a Google Talk - just like a TED talk). The answer is that straight men are the only ones attracted to Transgendered women and T-porn. Gay men are not interested in the least (they are interested in men). Bi-men don't really care either. The thought is that men are able to see a woman with a penis and that throws some straight men's minds into hyper-drive.

[RallyCola]

why do threads like these persist???

[giovanni_hotel]

why do threads like these persist???

Dude, I was just wondering. The idea that one's sexuality can radically evolve as an adult is a unique concept.

I don't like to go through life oblivious to things happening around me and inside my head and NOT ask why.

Ignorance is not bliss.

Other than general sexual attraction to women, the particulars of what each of us finds sexually appealing has some psychological origin in our formative years, according to developmental theory.

I don't have a hangup with being attracted to TS women, but I am curious how a run of the mill straight guy wakes up one day and finds the combo of a woman with a penis irresistible. :shock::salad

[nysprod]

Dude, I was just wondering. The idea that one's sexuality can radically evolve as an adult is a unique concept.

I don't have a hangup with being attracted to TS women, but I am curious how a run of the mill straight guy wakes up one day and finds the combo of a woman with a penis irresistible. :shock::salad

Exactly, it isn't about am I gay or any of that bs...the question regarding how this all evolves later in life is very interesting to me.

[NearBostonMass]

When I was 10 or 11 years old I used to draw pictures of naked women with big curvy hips, really large boobs and big dicks. This is more than 30 years ago way before the internet and way before I ever saw a skin mag. It turns out that two other men in my immediate family, one from another generation, have a similar interest in Tgirls. '
I've always loved genetic women and I've never had any interest in masculine men. As I get older, I'm finding it more difficult to maintain interest in a genetic female for more than a few weeks. If I had a genetic wife that was a 10 out of 10 I'd still find a way to spend time with a Tgirl as long as she was reasonable attractive. However, once a beautiful girl has SRS her power/allure is substantially diminished in my mind. I don't have to see, feel it or taste it but knowing it's there make a very big difference for me.
One of the previous posters was right about men, in general, being stimulated visually. I've become so accustomed to the exagerated femininity and sexuality of Tgirls that the only other women that really catch my eye are strippers. Most other women seem boring by comparison. The hair, the nails, the make up, high heels and revealing clothes light up most men's minds and flip our switches. Sometimes I feel like a striped bass. I see a bright and shiny lure that doesn't look quite like the other smelts but I like the way it's moving and sparkles and it sticks out from the other smelts. So, my prey drive kicks in and I'm on that lure and gobbling it up as fast as I can.

[nysprod]

Wow, drawing pics like that at 10 or 11, that has to be something unique.

My early exposures led to absolutely no sexual attraction as I thought it was strictly a gay thing with men dressing up, as opposed to actual transsexuals...Lou Reed's very gay-sounding singing on Walk On The Wide Side (shaved her legs and then he was a she) reinforced that notion for me...then The Rocky Horror Picture Show, but he was so obviously a man in drag and that did nothing for me...occasionally perusing the escort listings in the old Village Voice and looking at the trans ads, but the pics were so small...the 80's and 90's renting x-rated videos but the places I rented from had nothing trans although I looked at some pics online and didn't like them.

Then I stumbled on to pics and vids of Barbie Woods around 2004-5 and all of a sudden I was hooked...specifically the video she did wearing boots and you could see how hard her cock was as she was getting fucked, that got to me immediately and I knew I wanted to do what that guy was doing...from there I was finding myself more and more drawn to TS porn, but still it took me another 5-6 years before I actually took the plunge.

So now I'm wondering what would have happened if I had seen that when I was in my 20's...but my thinking is that with the quality that's available now, if a young guy sees pics of a trans girl that's his type (latin, blonde, etc.) I can't see him not getting into it although he probably would keep it dl.

[nysprod]

Meantime I have a theory that most people disagree with, which is that all sexually active straight men are attracted to transsexuals once they are exposed to them, although the "participation" (for lack of a better term) will vary from keeping it a deep dark secret to extreme activity within the scene.

But if you have a sexually active straight man who looks at porn in general, with enough time and privacy, and he is exposed to today's transsexual porn, he will be aroused and will be able to masturbate to orgasm, no doubt in my mind.

[giovanni_hotel]

Meantime I have a theory that most people disagree with, which is that all sexually active straight men are attracted to transsexuals once they are exposed to them, although the "participation" (for lack of a better term) will vary from keeping it a deep dark secret to extreme activity within the scene.

But if you have a sexually active straight man who looks at porn in general, with enough time and privacy, and he is exposed to today's transsexual porn, he will be aroused and will be able to masturbate to orgasm, no doubt in my mind.


+1. I don't have anything to back this up either, but whenever I hear or read a guy say that a tgirl is (sexually) attractive, which is at its most basic level what a guy means when he says a woman is 'pretty', in ideal, i.e., totally discreet and unknown to anyone else, circumstances that guy would fuck that TS or engage in some sexual activity.

I definitely believe a man's first reaction to a TS woman is at worst confusion, not repulsion.

The overall quality and beauty of many TS today really makes the idea of opening one's self up to the idea they're attracted to TS women a much shorter bridge to cross.

As a kid I was very sexually intrigued by John Waters' Divine.
http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ly2k0rtcig1rntwilo1_500.jpghttp://shellygif.typepad.com/.a/6a0133ed4a0a3a970b0133ed52b5d1970b-800wihttp://shellygif.typepad.com/.a/6a0133ed4a0a3a970b013480864b9d970c-pi

Voluptuous, huge boobs, campy, funny, even her sexy, husky voice made her an early crush.

Until I found out Divine was a dragqueen, didn't have boobs and was actually a gay man.

LOL. I was searching for more images from the John Waters' flick Pink Flamingos,( I haven't seen it in over 20 years!) and came across a gif. that shocked me, below.

http://shellygif.typepad.com/.a/6a0133ed4a0a3a970b013480864ded970c-800wi

There was a pretty, preop TS in Pink Flamingos some perv tries to flash until she pulls up her dress and returns the favor.

I totally do not remember that scene. At all.

Did I block it out?? Maybe that's where it all started.:geek:

[Telemaque]

Thought I'd share my experience:

I started watching Gay and TS porn nearly ten years ago. When I started doing it, I wondered what was up with me, and went into a sort of self-analysis to find out what I was really into.

I paid more attention to the people around me, men and female, to find out which ones I was naturally attracted to. Turns out I was always attracted to girls, and I really don't like men. I find them repulsive and I find the idea of touching a man disgusting. So I guess, if I was to label myself, I'd be what they call "bi-curious".

So what about transgenders, then? I never met one, so I don't know how I would feel in presence of one. Would I be attracted to her like I am to a girl, or, regardless of how feminine and attractive she looked, would I feel those XY chromosomes and be repulsed by her?

I don't know the answer to this question yet. I live in the countryside and I find it hard to take the plunge, not knowing if I'll have the best time of my life or if I'll just end up wasting my time and money.

Reading topics like this one and reading other people's thoughts and experiences helps, because I can see some people in a situation similar to mine: guys attracted to T-girls but not men... so maybe that's not so unusual...

nysprod: I agree with you. I believe most men would enjoy TS porn if exposed to it, especially with some girls who are absolutely stunning. Not all of them will admit it, though :)

[nysprod]

+1. I don't have anything to back this up either, but whenever I hear or read a guy say that a tgirl is (sexually) attractive, which is at its most basic level what a guy means when he says a woman is 'pretty', in ideal, i.e., totally discreet and unknown to anyone else, circumstances that guy would fuck that TS or engage in some sexual activity.

I definitely believe a man's first reaction to a TS woman is at worst confusion, not repulsion.

The overall quality and beauty of many TS today really makes the idea of opening one's self up to the idea they're attracted to TS women a much shorter bridge to cross.

As a kid I was very sexually intrigued by John Waters' Divine.

Voluptuous, huge boobs, campy, funny, even her sexy, husky voice made her an early crush.

Until I found out Divine was a dragqueen, didn't have boobs and was actually a gay man.

LOL. I was searching for more images from the John Waters' flick Pink Flamingos,( I haven't seen it in over 20 years!) and came across a gif. that shocked me, below.

There was a pretty, preop TS in Pink Flamingos some perv tries to flash until she pulls up her dress and returns the favor.

I totally do not remember that scene. At all.

Did I block it out?? Maybe that's where it all started.:geek:

Yeah, Pink Flamingos, that was another exposure that reinforced what I knew: nothing to do with transsexualism, just gay men dressing as women, freak show, etc...no sexual attraction there whatsoever.

[boner]

The point made that it's femininity that forms the initial attraction holds true for me. Like others have said, I like a woman's figure, especially if she's voluptuous and wearing a sexy outfit. I also like big hair and makeup if it's not too cartoonish. Seeing RuPaul's "Supermodel" video the first time was a huge turn on for me. I knew it was a guy but it was easy to pretend she wasn't!

That's different from the cock thing though. The first time I remember getting worked up over that was seeing a set of Vanessa Del Rio wearing a strap on. It felt weird getting aroused by that photo set but seeing Naughty Nessa sporting that thing did something for me. It looked like fun. The girl I was seeing at the time convinced me to try anal beads so I knew having something stuck up there could feel great. I was worried that might make me gay but she reassured me that gayness is being attracted to someone of the same sex and that what a man and a woman do together sexually isn't gay at all. Worked for me.

Fast forward a couple years and I see one of those giant sized boxes that porn tapes used come in for Gia Darling's "Transsexual Heartbreakers 5". Instant wood. I take the tape home, beat off, feel ashamed, and repeat that cycle again and again until I realize straight porn does nothing for me anymore, that I get more turned on by chicks with dicks than those without.

[wearboots4me]

Exactly, it isn't about am I gay or any of that bs...the question regarding how this all evolves later in life is very interesting to me.
Me too. I feel like reading and writing about this helps me understand my own attraction to trans women.

[SXFX]

For the same reason why we straight men are so into Latin women, especially those from places like Colombia.
Femininity!
American women have gotten or have become....very "angry" and i would even say "butch"

And well in any relationship there is the guy and there is the gal.
and I have the cock so i'm the motherfucking guy...so if the bitch think she is the cock then we are going to have a small problem....as how fast will she have to beg me to forgive her when i show her the fucking door!

[tgirllover1]

Not to beat a dead horse, but there truly is nothing more perfect in this world than an absolutely gorgeous, sexy woman with a perfect cock between her legs. I think we can all agree on that. It's the things that we're into when we encounter said woman and cock is what makes our attractions/fetishes unique. For me it's just about giving oral. Never have and never will be topped.

I have always been and still am into pussy, but I've never been a fan of eating pussy. I've actually only gone down on a few woman in my life, and I've been with a lot of different woman. But when it comes to a TS, there's no hesitation. I can go down on her for days. But that's basically all I want to do. On the very rare occasion, I'll fuck her. Nine times out of ten, I'm just into giving her oral. I'm so overly disgusted by shit/fecal matter, that I don't want to put my dick near it or even potentially smell it. Even though it's clean, just the thought of crap coming out that hole turns me off from wanting to fuck it. So, I'm good with just the oral. But occasionally I still want to get my fuck on.

Another thing is, I cannot watch TS porn when a dude is getting topped by a TS. That turns me off big time. I can watch a dude blowing a TS, and I can watch a dude topping the TS. But the second the guy starts getting fucked, I have to fast forward the video. Not trying to be judgemental, but that to me makes me think of gay sex. If the numbers are even remotely accurate, then 60-70% of the guys do not feel the same way. I guess it goes back to us not viewing ourselves as gay, which I don't. However, sucking on a cock is a "gay" activity, but I'll only do it with a passable TS. I never have and never will have a cock up my ass. Just doesn't appeal to me.

It just sucks that I can't openly talk about my attraction to pre-op TS women. Society, my friends and family just wouldn't get it if I shared with them how I love to suck TS cock and will allow her to bust a nut in my mouth but will not go down on my girlfriend. Sorry for blabbing. First time I've ever talked about my penchant for sucking TS dick.

[Vic]

I love this question because it makes for very interesting conversation. My thoughts are that if a T-girl is very feminine-like, and possess a rock-hard dick, it’s like and I hate to sound cliché the best of both worlds. My thoughts have always been when a t-girl shows visible excitement by possessing a rock hard dick which is extremely hard pun intended to hide. A genetic woman may lubricate which isn't visibly noticeable, but a hard dick can't be hidden. For me seeing a t-girl masturbate is like seeing a woman jack off a man in a single body, and is exciting as Hell!! I also have a preference of seeing T-girls top, which is like seeing a dominate woman, which makes my nature rise; and is a beautiful thing! I love you T-girls!
Additionally, after reading some of the other posts, I can’t image a T-girl only wanting to be topped, and not being able to reciprocate. Some of you may find it strange, but being bottomed, and looking up a lovely T-girl who is in a sexual frenzy who is jacking me off while tapping that ass make me want to cum just thinking about it! I don’t think that I could be that sexually selfish. I would like to think that a woman with a dick would like to have it both ways, but those are just my thoughts?

:)
Vic

[nysprod]

Oh stop, as per your avatar you like to bottom...this is something I brought up a few pages back; the majority of guys into TS want to bottom, and this is why so many guys are into pro-op TS women.

[powell87]

I'm basically a straight man in that I only top and I'm not attracted to gay men who have body hair and other masculine features. I'm mainly attracted to pre-op transsexual women with natural hormone breasts and fem boys who could pass as women if they crossdress. I think that the near-female, male body is very beautiful in a classical sense. It also helps that they are pretty like girls but horny like guys. A transsexual woman is a lot more likely to give you a rim-job or swallow your cum than a cisgender woman.

[giovanni_hotel]

It's weird because there's so many different sub-categories of trans-attracted men.

For instance if I'm at a club or the gym with a group of guys checking out natal women, I'm fairly certain we're all thinking roughly the same thing sexually as far as what we would like to do with these ladies.

But 5 different guys into trans-women could have 5 different sexual desires for a tgirl in the bedroom.

For TS in real time relationships, that must make any dating scenario that much harder.

[bzzzay]

I'm straight.
I'm attracted to women.
I have a penis - I like my penis.
I started watching lesbian porn when I was young (who wants to look at other guys penises?)
Wow hardcore porn is where it's at.
I like watching penises going into vaginas.
I like watching penises going into assholes.
Chicks like it. Gay dudes like it. Why not trying putting stuff in my ass? (I've never acquired the taste for it, but I keep trying for some reason.)
Combine ALL that shit together and I end up slowly, VERY slowly watching and enjoying TS porn.
If a TS girl tops in a scene, I usually fast-forward. When a guy is sucking cock, I usually fast forward (especially if he has a beard or if he takes a facial, NO THX.)
BUT, I do enjoy BDSM scenes where a domina fucks a male sub.

Moral of the story. Give me another 10 years and I'll be watching gay midget orgy porn lubed up with roman and red showers.

[tgirllover1]

I'm straight.

Moral of the story. Give me another 10 years and I'll be watching gay midget orgy porn lubed up with roman and red showers.

Haha! I'm with ya on not being able to watch a dude go down on a sexy as T-girl if he's got a beard. Like I and the OP alluded to, it's kind of funny how we all got our own individual likes and dislikes when it comes to these perfectly evolved women. But I just can't get with the anything up my ass. Had a doc give me a rectal exam years ago that lasted all of a few seconds, and that was the first and last time anything ever went in.

[RallyCola]

Dude, I was just wondering. The idea that one's sexuality can radically evolve as an adult is a unique concept.



after 4000+ posts and years on this site where this question has been asked and answered in a variety of ways, i'm a bit shocked you are still curious.

it is not a unique concept that one's tastes can evolve...that is what makes us distinctly able to evolve...that we are not stagnant, we have the ability to change our behaviors. moreover, who says that anything is in fact evolving. one can just have had the right experience to trigger what could have been otherwise repressed desires. just because you may now act on something that you didn't or wouldn't have done when you were 15 is meaningless.

the question of why so many men like pre-op transwomen is as complex and equally meaningless as why men like brussel sprouts. there are many many different reasons, many of which have very little to do with evolving tastes.

there are also the two 800lb gorillas in the room which is ACCESS and ACCEPTANCE! you cannot discount what it means to be able to google any kind of porn or for that matter, any phrase and find that rule 34 applies. moreover, you cannot discount that we live in a time where acceptance of "alternative lifestyles" is more mainstream than not.

so, that being said, i find that your question, "why are SO MANY str8 men attracted to...." is flawed because you have to ask that relative to the time we live in where it is far easier to see/interact with transwomen and more acceptable to do so. transwomen represent a subset of "all women" who have their admirers. maybe the issue is that you see transwomen as something unique or taboo, where i do not. to me, just as black chicks are a subset of "all women", blondes are a subset of "all women," or asian chicks with webbed toes are a subset of "all women," so too are transwomen...a group to be admired for whatever artificial designation you give them.

[nysprod]

Omg you are so full of shit you're married for crissakes...go jerk off in the library again.

[hairyguy]

because i love to suck a woman's dick. does that make sense? to hear her moans and taste her cum. and visually it is incredibly arousing to see that beautiful feminine face with a hard cock below ready to shoot a load

[fred41]

after 4000+ posts and years on this site where this question has been asked and answered in a variety of ways, i'm a bit shocked you are still curious.

it is not a unique concept that one's tastes can evolve...that is what makes us distinctly able to evolve...that we are not stagnant, we have the ability to change our behaviors. moreover, who says that anything is in fact evolving. one can just have had the right experience to trigger what could have been otherwise repressed desires. just because you may now act on something that you didn't or wouldn't have done when you were 15 is meaningless.

the question of why so many men like pre-op transwomen is as complex and equally meaningless as why men like brussel sprouts. there are many many different reasons, many of which have very little to do with evolving tastes.

there are also the two 800lb gorillas in the room which is ACCESS and ACCEPTANCE! you cannot discount what it means to be able to google any kind of porn or for that matter, any phrase and find that rule 34 applies. moreover, you cannot discount that we live in a time where acceptance of "alternative lifestyles" is more mainstream than not.

so, that being said, i find that your question, "why are SO MANY str8 men attracted to...." is flawed because you have to ask that relative to the time we live in where it is far easier to see/interact with transwomen and more acceptable to do so. transwomen represent a subset of "all women" who have their admirers. maybe the issue is that you see transwomen as something unique or taboo, where i do not. to me, just as black chicks are a subset of "all women", blondes are a subset of "all women," or asian chicks with webbed toes are a subset of "all women," so too are transwomen...a group to be admired for whatever artificial designation you give them.
I agree with a lot of this.

[livepersona]

A fine TS woman who has her act together and takes care of herself is so sexy it's almost an unfair advantage. I love the latinas with their accent and the way they dress.

[Tapatio]

Omg you are so full of shit you're married for crissakes...go jerk off in the library again.

He jacked it in the library?

Totally uncool.

[Tapatio]

I'm still convinced it comes down to the penis.

I like it in my mouth, but she has to be really pretty.

[giovanni_hotel]

after 4000+ posts and years on this site where this question has been asked and answered in a variety of ways, i'm a bit shocked you are still curious.

it is not a unique concept that one's tastes can evolve...that is what makes us distinctly able to evolve...that we are not stagnant, we have the ability to change our behaviors. moreover, who says that anything is in fact evolving. one can just have had the right experience to trigger what could have been otherwise repressed desires. just because you may now act on something that you didn't or wouldn't have done when you were 15 is meaningless.

the question of why so many men like pre-op transwomen is as complex and equally meaningless as why men like brussel sprouts. there are many many different reasons, many of which have very little to do with evolving tastes.

there are also the two 800lb gorillas in the room which is ACCESS and ACCEPTANCE! you cannot discount what it means to be able to google any kind of porn or for that matter, any phrase and find that rule 34 applies. moreover, you cannot discount that we live in a time where acceptance of "alternative lifestyles" is more mainstream than not.

so, that being said, i find that your question, "why are SO MANY str8 men attracted to...." is flawed because you have to ask that relative to the time we live in where it is far easier to see/interact with transwomen and more acceptable to do so. transwomen represent a subset of "all women" who have their admirers. maybe the issue is that you see transwomen as something unique or taboo, where i do not. to me, just as black chicks are a subset of "all women", blondes are a subset of "all women," or asian chicks with webbed toes are a subset of "all women," so too are transwomen...a group to be admired for whatever artificial designation you give them.



You're comparing one's attraction to Black women to that of a man who discovers he has an attraction to a transwoman???

TS at best are uncommon. For me it's not about them being unique or a taboo.
I don't have a problem with my attraction to transwomen, however I've begrudgingly learned to accept the labels that are associated with men attracted to preop TS.

That's a huge leap for most identified straight men to accept, but it something we have to work through and learn to deal with.

Being attracted to transwomen is not about ACCESS and ACCEPTANCE.

I have access to all kinds of things through the magic of the internet. But for the most part my views on my own sexuality have been augmented, they didn't radically change. There's certain kinds of bodytypes I like, certain features I prefer in women. Generally that's where I gravitate to on the internet.

My attraction and exposure to TS is one of the few times since my adolescence where an image alone absent any experience coalesced my feelings sexually absent any real experience.

As an adolescent when you see a pic of a pretty naked woman, you know immediately how much you desire to be with her and know intuitively what you would do sexually.

For the same thing to happen after age 32 when you see your first images of TS isn't something IMO you would anticipate happening.

And it's not whether or not I believe TS are a subset of all women. When you meet a genuine trans-chick for the first time, everything about her personality wise vibes you the same way as any other woman would.

But it's definitely NOT accepted.
Lesbians are accepted. Even gay football players are accepted, except maybe in the lockerroom.

I have yet to see a straight guy in love with a TS embraced or supported publicly by anyone or any advocacy group.

Straight man/TS relationships threaten the status quo, and make both MEN and WOMEN insecure on a level that gay and lesbian relationships do not.

Sexuality and changes in food appetites is a really poor analogy.

Most of us are hardwired into who we are going to be sexually in our teens.
We might add a few kinks here and there, but for straight men the finale still ends with our dick in a woman's mouth, or fucking a pussy or ass.


My younger self would literally not know who I was sexually.:ignore:


To reach a point in life where you now view genitalia as gender-neutral and NOT gender defining, at least for me, is a radical change in perspective.

[canihavu]

I know for some guys their sexuality was fluid to begin with and TS women just fit into the mix.

But before tgirls I was just a random straight Black man; 100% firm believer in vagina, never touched another dick besides my own. Never had a desire to do so. Borderline homophobic.

Until my head got opened up by TS women.:salad

Now I'm a full blown chaser/admirer/lover of ts chicks, and if I had more opportunity to date casually trans-women IRL I could see myself in a LTR with one.

It's hard for me to believe it's a latent repressed attraction because what man knew about TS....until he KNEW??

I've done everything sexually with a TS except get fucked, and always crave to do everything over again, but if you'd told be 8 years ago I'd ever 69 with a preop TS or beg her to cum while she's stroking off in the missionary, I would've laughed in your face because I knew you were crazy.

Just like to hear some theories about how a normal straight dude gets from there to here.

Or is all this just a minor quirk of bi/heterosexual attraction???

Not confused, just curious.

This isn't an 'am I gay' question twist, because I don't know of any gay men who in their 30s discover they have a wild lust for preop TS men or GG pussy.

Or is it some as of yet unknown rule of attraction that TS women and hetero men are made for each other??


Well I can only give you my take on it through my experiences. I too am a Black man, I love pussy. In fact, I didn't even know what I TS was before 1992. I still remember my first experience it I remember when I saw her dick and I didn't freak out. She went down on me, I didn't touch her (in fact it would be another two years before I would get the courage to touch a penis) but after that initial experience, I was hooked. I would go to NYC all the time Sally's became one of my favorite hangouts. Eventually I did everything with a TS (include getting fucked - tried it twice 11 years apart and I realize that is not my thing). I too would date one IRL if the opportunity presented itself. I love their femininity and some can be quite charming once they know you are not bullshitting them. Treat them like ladies and most of them will treat you like a king.

[Vladimir Putin]

Even with a dick, there is nothing gay about a guy liking a feminine woman regardless of what she has down there. Dick or pussy alone doesn't determine sexual orientation.

Even before I've heard of pre-op transsexuals, ever since I was 13, I always fantasized about being with a woman with a dick, even though at the time I believed that no such women existed. At about that time, one of my best friends told me he had a dream about having sex with a pretty girl, but he screamed in disgust when he found out she had a cock. I said to him "oh yeah, that's disgusting, blah blah blah," but privately I wished I had a dream like that. I never admitted that to him.

[Rusty Eldora]

Right on Vladimir Putin, giovanni_hotel, and RallyCola. We all have variations but we all love Unicorns, those magical mythical creatures that actually do exist.

They are self made in that they have replaced their identity programming from a standard set to what they want, then also worked their physical image to fit that. They truly love what they are, but want others to accept them that way. One tgirl can be super fem, then blow you away with their roller blading or motorcycle hobby.

I know why I love TS, they make sex so much fun again. Often a sea of giggles and laughs as we both reach our climax.

[Corran]

For me it's all about the girl, no matter what's between her legs. Case in point, Hazel Tucker shooting new vids brought me out of a long lurking period on the boards. Don't get me wrong there's some attractive, sexy women in TS porn right now but none of them makes my body react like Hazel does. I'm turned on by her sexy voice, her entire body and not just her 'equipment.'
The same is true for me now with gg's. Again, using porn as an example, I hardly watch any unless a certain girl I like puts out a new scene. Again, it's because of her attitude, looks and genuine sexuality.
So, I look at is as being attracted to women and if you think the lovely ladies who are transitioning aren't women, you're wrong.

[handsumjack]

I like to think its the erotic difference. First the look is more stimulating. The connection between the sensations of communicating, needing, kissing, touching, and the reality that a different type of LOVE exists and can be established in a long lasting relationship or a single life experience. The sexual side to me is more rewarding. Why do you need three holes ? Feeling a cock pulse in you mouth or up your ass as you look to the beautiful female individual servicing you or the one you are servicing is a totally different life experience.

[Kojak]

ED is also a possibility. When you get older it takes more effort to get hard. Ts Women give you that option to engage in sexual adventures without always needing to be on top.
The chances for a man to suffer ED are in line with his age. So at 50, you have 50% chance sufferig from erectyle disfunction. The chemicals on the market may help you get hard, but don't help you to cum. A session with a shemale gives you added creativity in the bedroom.

[LovinThaTSLadiez]

We like what we like, period. I am attracted to femininity. I love women. (GG & TG) I do like for my t-girls to have cocks and my g-girls to have pussies though. I don't think I could even get hard for a mutilated cock pussy. That just disgusts me. So, by my own definition, I am a bisexual male who likes feminine women, t-girls, femboys, etc. Cock and pussy are both lovely to me, as long as they are attached to a beautiful, feminine human being. And as long as that feminine human being was born with that cock or pussy.

[hoodscoop]

I like the femininity combined with the fact that I can see if that are excited and I can see if I made them cum. Someone with a hard cock sucking someone with a hard cock is great, to say the least.

[nightlover50]

with me it all started 8 years ago when i was watching real girls on webcam, I was viewing through girl after girls after girls then i was turn on with this sexy from Columbia with a big ass. I was talking to her and telling her to take off her cloth, I tip her and she show her tits she was so beautiful i wanted to see more so i gave her a really big tip to take off her pantie. I was so horny and wanted to see the pussy, she took them off and start jerking her cock for me, dam i was so confuse watching this so i close the page but was still hard so i went back on and jerk off to her and I really enjoy it. from there on i cant stop watching shemale cam.
I never been with one before .. lots of time wanted to quit but after 2 week back it it again. Is there a place to get help?

[LovinThaTSLadiez]

I like the femininity combined with the fact that I can see if that are excited and I can see if I made them cum. Someone with a hard cock sucking someone with a hard cock is great, to say the least.

Exactly! They can't fake being aroused or cumming, that's for sure!

[Devilboy]

As far as "why", "People just like what they like".

I, like most of the posters here, like pretty girls. I like GGs, TGs, both pre and post. I think part of the equation is being comfortable with your role as a sex partner. Who are you, do you even know? What is your preferred role in a sexual relationship? IMO you have to know that in order to know why you do, or don't do certain things.

I know that I like to penetrate attractive women, I like to be a bit dominate in my sexual relationships. This doesn't change based off who I'm with, it's just who I am. I'm not going to submit to a partner, GG or TG. That being said we are all different and all of us should be ourselves and do what we like.

Once you know who you are, it makes it much easier to understand why you so what you do.

[jamesedwards]

Well I can only speak for myself I can't speak for no other man.

1. I am a wild motha fucking freak, to start. My Domme got me into taking dick of a TGirl while she chained me up by my neck to a bed and wrist and had the TGirl come behind me and fuck me in the ass and I loved it. My GG Domme fucked me in the ass all the time with her strapon and I love getting fucked in the ass by a Dominant woman! TGirls who are feminine and what is known as Passable, I like, they carry themselves just like a woman, look like a woman only thing is they have a cock. I have threesums with my GG and TGirl all the time, it's the best fucking on the planet.

2. TGirls have that look to them that freaky erotic twist to them that excites me to want to fuck them and they fuck me, its the different factor.

3. TGirls love men, some top, some don't some bottom some don't or some do both, I prefer one who does both. That excites me, and it never passes the thought of giving up women cause I love nasty freaky ass women who have anal fetishes and are wild in the bedroom and love strapons so for me the two mentally bring an Euphoric essence to my sexual adventures and make them great.

4. Some TGirls are sexier than women! point blank, I have seen some that are so sexy if they bent over and told me to fuck them in the ass I would be to weak to say no because first of all I am to much of a freak and to resist a sexy bad ass TGirl would be hard for me. I tell you what a lot of men who are not into TGirls if she was to bend over and no one is looking they would slide their dick in them and fuck them. I don't know about sucking the dick but they would fuck that ass.

5. I am not into men that look like me, a beautiful feminine TGirl is what I love because they remind me of a woman just with a dick.

6.How did I get from just pussy to pussy and cock of a TGirl? When you are deprived of real nasty fucking and you meet someone who can fuck and are into some wild BDSM, taking your ass and fucking it, etc my mind loves to expand and reach new heights and push the envelope to newer sex possibilities. I got turned out and that was it. I got fucked in the ass by a GG so getting fucked by a sexy TGirl was just the next step over and I loved getting bent over and the TGirl grabbing me by my ass and just ramming me, the dick feels good. With the coaching of a GG on the sidelines just hypes the sex up and I turn into a sexual wild being other than my normal self which I love. I can sit on a strapon dick and ride while I suck a TGirl's dick and it's turning everyone on and I love it.



I know for some guys their sexuality was fluid to begin with and TS women just fit into the mix.

But before tgirls I was just a random straight Black man; 100% firm believer in vagina, never touched another dick besides my own. Never had a desire to do so. Borderline homophobic.

Until my head got opened up by TS women.:salad

Now I'm a full blown chaser/admirer/lover of ts chicks, and if I had more opportunity to date casually trans-women IRL I could see myself in a LTR with one.

It's hard for me to believe it's a latent repressed attraction because what man knew about TS....until he KNEW??

I've done everything sexually with a TS except get fucked, and always crave to do everything over again, but if you'd told be 8 years ago I'd ever 69 with a preop TS or beg her to cum while she's stroking off in the missionary, I would've laughed in your face because I knew you were crazy.

Just like to hear some theories about how a normal straight dude gets from there to here.

Or is all this just a minor quirk of bi/heterosexual attraction???

Not confused, just curious.

This isn't an 'am I gay' question twist, because I don't know of any gay men who in their 30s discover they have a wild lust for preop TS men or GG pussy.

Or is it some as of yet unknown rule of attraction that TS women and hetero men are made for each other??

[jamesedwards]

Gay men love Gay men! Not TGirls. They don't like anything that associates to a woman they are attracted to other men. a TGirl is not gay hence the word itself. People need to know definitions and know how to think before they open their mouths.



According to Ada Black, only gay men are into trans.

[DeadGirl-Productions]

Penis + penis = gay. Anything else is just insecurity talking.
Sexuality/sex has nothing to do with gender... the actual meat speaks for itself.

[AdaBlackXXX]

According to Ada Black, only gay men are into trans.


According to Ada Black?
Nah. According to logic.

I'm the chick with a dick and I assure you I identify my sex with a man as gay. I wouldn't have it any other way.

Good thing such a thing exist, vaginas are utterly horrifying.

Enjoy the gay porn, made for closeted and confused individuals.

[lifeisfiction]

According to Ada Black?
Nah. According to logic.

I'm the chick with a dick and I assure you I identify my sex with a man as gay. I wouldn't have it any other way.

Good thing such a thing exist, vaginas are utterly horrifying.

Enjoy the gay porn, made for closeted and confused individuals.

I didn't know I was gay, lol. If you are going to say men who are into ts are gay, it would incorrect. I never met a gay man who actually was intro transgender women. It would be most men are bi. Even this is incorrect. A lot of men who like trans women are turned off by men. A penis on a woman is something different, but it doesn't mean a person only sees the penis.

It comes down to being attracted to women. Women come in all different shapes and forms. We may all have preferences, but it is that thing about a woman that drives men crazy. It so easy to assume men who like trans are cock hounds, but as I said men are men, men like to have sex. And some men will do anything to get in those panties.

I always chuckle to myself, because if a man enjoyed being pegged does that make him gay? Of course not, there are so many ways to enjoy our sexuality. You enjoy what a person has to offer and each person is different. It is why many labels today don't really fit the traditional ideas of sexual attraction.

[irvin66]

That's because they are beautiful girls but with some additional equipment.....lol

[joebadass]

Ive never had better sex then when with a Ts..I dont know what it is about them

[Laphroaig]

Penis + penis = gay. Anything else is just insecurity talking.
Sexuality/sex has nothing to do with gender... the actual meat speaks for itself.


According to Ada Black?
Nah. According to logic.

I'm the chick with a dick and I assure you I identify my sex with a man as gay. I wouldn't have it any other way.



So basically, the pair of you are saying that you still identify yourselves as men, not as women? :werd:

[DeezNuts515]

Lol @ Ada threatening violence to an anonymous user online. These two just get more classy by the day.

[miketaylor912]

Ada obviously behaves like a man and also must still think she is a man,maybe
A man just in drag?

[giovanni_hotel]

Ada obviously behaves like a man and also must still think she is a man,maybe
A man just in drag?


She and Jamie are soooo confused and contradict themselves all the time, it's hard to take what they say in these types of discussions as informative.

[RallyCola]

I dunno if it is a function of being with Jamie or if she just attracts like minded people but Ada's words are nearly identical to posts made by Eva and Jamie previously. All I can say is that ugly comes in all shapes both in beauty and attitude. It isn't even a matter of labeling that bothers me...it is the self condemnation and in turn the vilification of all transwomen as gay men that horrifies me. Someone should vote them off the island.

[RallyCola]

She and Jamie are soooo confused and contradict themselves all the time, it's hard to take what they say in these types of discussions as informative.

I'd say they are confused because they are women and therefore hormonal but clearly they define themselves as men. I guess Ted was right. In Ted 2, Marky mark looks at third porn and Ted says there is no such thing as chicks with dicks, just men with boobs. Who knew Jamie and Ada would agree with an anthropomorphic bear.

[RallyCola]

What is the answer to the reverse question...why are so many transwomen attracted to straight men?

[giovanni_hotel]

I'd say they are confused because they are women and therefore hormonal but clearly they define themselves as men. I guess Ted was right. In Ted 2, Marky mark looks at third porn and Ted says there is no such thing as chicks with dicks, just men with boobs. Who knew Jamie and Ada would agree with an anthropomorphic bear.


Unintentional or not, this was a brilliantly insightful, hilarious post.lol

THE existential transgender question; are you men with boobs or chicks with dicks??
Obviously Jamie/Ada would cosign a million times with the former opinion.

[RallyCola]

Well for me the answers is simple. A person born of a particular sex may feel uncomfortable with their assigned gender so they wish to change. Jamie and Ada will always be male regardless of whether or not they have GRS. They can choose if their gender is "man" or "woman" because gender is not solely defined by genetics. From there, the issue becomes does the GRS, the act of cutting it off actually make you a woman or not.

To me to reduce transition to that is ridiculous especially because that means that F2M transmen never can be men since they are not sewing on a cock. M2F transwomen do not have different rules than F2M transmen just because something can be replaced with an orifice.

A Transgender person is simply one that does not accept their birth gender and takes steps to alter it. That is the most basic definition. Those steps start at attire and lifestyle changes and end with permanent body alteration to exhibit anatomical similarities to the chosen gender be it genital or only secondary sex characteristics.

If a transwoman chooses to see her self as a man (not a male) so be it. It undercuts their efforts but I will respect their choice of label no matter how idiotic and pathetic it is.

[AdaBlackXXX]

Who threatened what? Your weak sexuality? It's time to stop lying to yourselves. Come out of the closet. And there is nothing wrong with that, it's just this shit is getting old. Especially the guys that have to rename the human anatomy of a biological male body such as pussy for asshole and clit for cock.

[AdaBlackXXX]

Also love how confused OP had to emphasize STRAIGHT. Ha.

[Laphroaig]

You haven't answered the question though, Ada. Are you a man or a woman?

[RallyCola]

Who threatened what? Your weak sexuality? It's time to stop lying to yourselves. Come out of the closet. And there is nothing wrong with that, it's just this shit is getting old. Especially the guys that have to rename the human anatomy of a biological male body such as pussy for asshole and clit for cock.

Who is confusing anything?

Pussy is an "innie" and gets all moist for me. Cock is an "outie" and my mouth gets moist for it.

Asshole is the tightest part of a woman, the place I like to lick and fuck the most. Every woman I have ever fucked has had a glorious asshole for me to enjoy but only a few have had a cock. In fact.. if you eliminate the women who I have only gone down on...only 2 have I ever only fucked vaginally. I've been fortunate that the rest have liked it up the ass.

I say it loud and proud...for my tongue and dick, I prefer ass over vag...doesn't matter if I have a left handful of clit or cock while in it so long as the girl is hot and has a nice rack for my right hand.

[RallyCola]

You haven't answered the question though, Ada. Are you a man or a woman?

Are you expecting a serious answer? Anything Ada types will be self serving nonsense

[Laphroaig]

Are you expecting a serious answer? Anything Ada types will be self serving nonsense

Not really, but it will be interesting if she answers for herself or has to check with her boss for the official line first.

[DeezNuts515]

You said you would knock some guys dentures down their throat, are you illiterate as well?

3 things:

1 - 50 isn't that old, and certainly not dentures age.
2 - If that same 50 year old male threatened the same, you would be posting 50 threads on here condemning the violent behavior of "sissy faggots"
3 - You're little scrawny self isn't beating up shit. I would suggest you not make threats you can't follow through on. With your nasty attitude, you just may end up on the worse end of a bad beating, and it doesn't have to be a dude, Isabely would easily have her way with you.

[giovanni_hotel]

Also love how confused OP had to emphasize STRAIGHT. Ha.

How ironic the little boy who decided he wanted to grow up one day and wear makeup, pretty dresses and girl's underwear is calling anyone confused.:roll:

The OP was simply seeking answers and a higher level of understanding about their own sexuality.

Not all of us have the answers to everything in life, Ada.

We weren't all blessed with your sublime intellect and powers of reason.

[RallyCola]

oh...and just for a second...let's get back to why straight men like transsexual women.

1) transsexual women, especially those in porn, usually exude greater femininity than the everyday average genetic women because they have to. transsexual women usually pay more attention to details like attire and make up so, when a person is blessed with the right proportions, body plan, bone structure, etc that they appear feminine AND they play up those features, a non-gay man will find such an image pleasing because none-gay men men like women.

2) men like cock. it is a simple fact. we love our own and have no problems holding it, jerking it and a large percentage of men would probably at least try sucking themselves if they could (maybe not a majority, but i'd be willing to bet it is closer to half than not.) being that men love their own cock AND more importantly, because packaging is more important to men than not, the cock of a transwoman is not as big as an obstacle as looking at a naked dude. that is the key part...because most intelligent and open minded people who do not have a 1950s binary anti-queer mindset understand that a transwoman is not a man.

3) being the pitcher in anal sex is awesome so there is a tiny piece of that but...there is an increasing number of straight men that are realizing that penetration (fingering or a plastic dong strapped on to a woman) can be a healthy part of their relationship. having your significant other finger or peg you is not an attack on one's sexuality and as advertised, has been a gateway for many to ponder substituting a finger or plastic for the real thing. Now, this does invoke a chicken/egg debate which is hard to navigate because did the desire to be anally penetrated exist and the porn watching follow or did the porn watching instigate the desire. The answer to that is not universal for every man.

Now...beyond the kind of average straight guy that would look at an image of a hot transwoman in private and be piqued but not infatuated like most of the members of this board...its a different story. the propensity for transgender porn over genetic girl porn, the desire to be intimate with a transwoman and/or interact with her male genitalia and the ability to be open about it are wholly different than just a fickle fascination that the everyday average modern straight man would exhibit.

I would say this...the everyday average straight man might find a particular image of a transwoman to be appealing but i'd be willing to bet it is a professionally shot image with good production values, hair and makeup and a carefully selected outfit meant to entice. That's the whole point of porn...to fulfill a fantasy. Most men don't get to have a lingerie clad girl fingering her asshole in fishnets and high heels with perfect make up every day so porn fills that void.

[Devilboy]

I think the title of this thread should have been:

Why are so many STR8 men attracted to SOME preop TSs??

I think most of us are attracted to very feminine girls, girls that are more attractive than most GGs we see....mmmmmm Jane Marie....I don't think any straight guys are attracted to someone that is masculine in appearance or attitude.

[DeadGirl-Productions]

As far as our physical sex is concerned, yeah... we are genetically male and waaaaay gay for eachother. We've transitioned our gender to female, or more specifically - girl.

So basically, the pair of you are saying that you still identify yourselves as men, not as women? :werd:

[DeadGirl-Productions]

The people who are fighting hardest are pretty much the gayest folks on the board. They still think being called gay is a bad thing, that putting rhetoric aside and admitting biology is shameful, that anything that ruins their armchair fantasies must be rallied against.

There's a reason we're on the money taking side of the business this board represents - you gotta have your head on, ahem, straight.

[AdaBlackXXX]

I'm sitting here bawling my eyes out. Jamie is rocking me like a baby. I can't take the insults. Pleaseeee stop! Nah you see some of us are comfortable outside the closet. I'm simply Ada. If Ada seems female so be it. But I'll tell you one thing. Ada is more alpha male than all of you pussies who hide in the dark and attack some over a simple truth. I choose to wear a dress and flick my wrist so most of society decides that I'm female. I honestly do not care. I live the way I see fit and I'm quite comfortable doing so. I was threatening who again? Sounds like you'd sick a chick on me before you yourself. Really manly of you. (Haha) Again. I'm gay, I have gay sex, and i wouldn't have it any other way. Penis and penis is gay I do not know what to tell you. It's like arguing with a religious nut. I have all the facts and you got shit. Also I'll be at TEA this year, come along and beat my ass for all to see.. Because being honest with oneself is a true crime and deserves punishment.

[AdaBlackXXX]

We are apart of the animal kingdom. Homosexual acts are very normal look at nature around you. Stop being so terrified to be yourselves. And another point it's not a bisexual act to have sex with the same gender. That is homosexual. Bi sexuality does not excuse you of homosexual acts.

[joebadass]

We are apart of the animal kingdom. Homosexual acts are very normal look at nature around you. Stop being so terrified to be yourselves. And another point it's not a bisexual act to have sex with the same gender. That is homosexual. Bi sexuality does not excuse you of homosexual acts.

You are one dumb fuck! Every post u make I wanna puke..

[RallyCola]

i can't help but be in awe of the hypocrisy.

there are transwomen who do not want to be viewed as a walking penis and now apparently those that do. its pretty sad that you two identify as gay men. maybe one day you will meet a good catholic boy that will fuck you right in the pussy.

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ya know...i used to think that a particular complainer was the most useless part of this board, but i'm starting to appreciate his whining over anything either of you have to say.

[lifeisfiction]

I was going to make a solid argument, but then I realize why. I mean this is Jamie and she just needs an excuse to call people gay and other stuff. Really, its not like the first time she had some silly argument. If she cannot see the implications of saying people are gay well its bad. She keeps suggesting the men who are into transwomen are really into men, but don't want to admit that and we can never see a transwomen as a woman. The best part she will always get her partner to blindly argue her point. I want to know what mojo she got working.

[RallyCola]

or maybe Jamie is just posting under Ada's account and Ada is trapped in some gay torture chamber somewhere being forced to eat hairy man ass. Yeah, that's it, Ada is a victim of 50 Shades of James French!

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[DeadGirl-Productions]

This whole thread is a waste. Asking, "Why are so many STR8 men attracted to preop TS" is like asking why so many bachelors are married.

[AdaBlackXXX]

You are one dumb fuck! Every post u make I wanna puke..

When did education and dumb fuckery mix? This is the best thing ever. Jesus Christ that's it. I'm filming a Sex Ed video for you confused angry men. xD

[RallyCola]

This whole thread is a waste. Asking, "Why are so many STR8 men attracted to preop TS" is like asking why so many bachelors are married.

or like asking what anyone with an IQ over pudding sees in you.

let me ask you this question: Is Ramon of Trans500 fame a gay man?

He is shown never to touch a penis and though he does rim his partner, he is all about getting blown and ass fucking so based on your argument of penis sex, he is as straight as an arrow...but based on your other argument, since transwomen are gay men, he must be gay because he is fucking a man's asshole.

[Loud Love]

Damn! Dude is rimming Bigfoot.

[RallyCola]

Damn! Dude is rimming Bigfoot.

that's an interesting quandary...if you rim a male bigfoot, it is gay or does it not matter because bestiality wins as the choice of label. that's the tricky thing with labels you know, its all about choosing the right one. that said...i'm sure the bigfoot wouldn't care because devoid of language and culture, all the bigfoot cares is that something is cleaning his bunghole and it feels good.

[broncofan]

Nothing Jamie says is ever anything other than petty and self-serving. You're never going to have a conversation with her where a middle ground is reached or where a complicated issue isn't reduced to a blunt insult.

She also seems to have a knack for getting girlfriends and hijacking their personalities and destroying their ability for independent thought. God forbid anyone distinguish between sex with a muscular, hairy man who lives as a man and a transsexual who has taken hormones and has the appearance and gender identity of a woman. It must be denial to distinguish between things that are actually different.

[DeadGirl-Productions]

My legal name is Jamie, I'll have Steven remove you if you don't pipe down.


if James films your sex ed video, it will be as boring as all the other porn you make and it will sell less than Kaitlyn Gender!

[DeadGirl-Productions]

I have a knack for getting GFs? By this boards' standards that makes me the fuckin' king of the threads! You're completely correct, my life is awesome!


Nothing Jamie says is ever anything other than petty and self-serving. You're never going to have a conversation with her where a middle ground is reached or where a complicated issue isn't reduced to a blunt insult.

She also seems to have a knack for getting girlfriends and hijacking their personalities and destroying their ability for independent thought. God forbid anyone distinguish between sex with a muscular, hairy man who lives as a man and a transsexual who has taken hormones and has the appearance and gender identity of a woman. It must be denial to distinguish between things that are actually different.

[broncofan]

I have a knack for getting GFs? By this boards' standards that makes me the fuckin' king of the threads! You're completely correct, my life is awesome!
If you accept the compliment, then accept the criticism that went along with it:).

[RallyCola]

My legal name is Jamie, I'll have Steven remove you if you don't pipe down.

what's a name but another label?

is ramon a gay man?

[DeadGirl-Productions]

Ya'll realllly hate gay people don't you? The. Hy. Pocrisy.

[DeadGirl-Productions]

A name is an attack if used as such. You best go back and read the terms of service/Rules of conduct for this board.

Ramone = Bi from everything I've seen over the years.

[DeadGirl-Productions]

Nah. I do what I want.


If you accept the compliment, then accept the criticism that went along with it:).

[DeadGirl-Productions]

Ya'll fight sooooo hard not to be called gay. Pathetic.

[RallyCola]

actually, reading is fundamental. at no time have i said anything about my sexuality. i simply said if I stick my dick in you...you are going to label me a gay man...so that means you are calling yourself, a gay man.

the more you don't admit that sentence is the likely conclusion of your argument, you continue to lose ground in this argument and the more idiotic you sound. beat around the bush with semantics all you want, it just drives home the point that you are weak.

[DeadGirl-Productions]

Reading IS fundamental.
1.) I wasn't addressing you directly.
2.) Go back to page 13 post #128 and you'll see just how good you are at losing.


actually, reading is fundamental. at no time have i said anything about my sexuality. i simply said if I stick my dick in you...you are going to label me a gay man...so that means you are calling yourself, a gay man.

the more you don't admit that sentence is the likely conclusion of your argument, you continue to lose ground in this argument and the more idiotic you sound. beat around the bush with semantics all you want, it just drives home the point that you are weak.

[AdaBlackXXX]

It's not an insult. The word gay. You act like we are cursing you out. You choose to label everything. So accept the labels. The only reason for this thread existing is because people feel so conflicted about transgender people. What's so wrong about two penises? I don't get it. I don't get why your struggling so hard against logic and science. Homo meaning same. Penis + Penis. You and I cannot escape biology, neither can your post op girls. I have a penis, I'm truly sorry about that. And I really do see sex with a man as gay. But it's not an insult. It's just logical. Science is the ruler and he says we are gay.

[DeadGirl-Productions]

Who did I insult?

[broncofan]

Science also says that any time there is a distinction between two things, it should not be treated as insignificant. Even small differences should not be ignored. A lot of the people in this thread are not attracted to men who present as men because they don't find male secondary sex characteristics attractive. They don't like body hair, they don't like facial hair, they like breasts, and they are attracted to a feminine physical appearance. Does that mean they are entirely straight? Probably not. But you and Jamie insist that everyone who likes transsexual women but not men who live as men is gay and that anyone who argues for a more nuanced view is only doing so because they don't want to be called gay. What an illogical fear? Jamie already calls anyone who disagrees with her gay.

There is nothing at all wrong with being gay. Just like there would be nothing wrong with fitting somewhere on a continuum between gay and straight, meaning that a person likes feminine and masculine character traits. But why can't people have a conversation about a subject without you two engaging in abuse...?

[DeadGirl-Productions]

Ok. Bi. Everyone here is either gay or bi. There's your nuance, choke it down.

[AdaBlackXXX]

Logic is not abuse. This bullshit thread pertains to me. And my closeted stalkers.

[AdaBlackXXX]

Deeznuts I know for a fact is stalking my shit. That stuff is months old. Would make sense for him to come at me after making sense of all this considering how many orgasms he's had over at my blog. Sorry dude. I have a cock. Let me have my gay sex! :)

[broncofan]

Ok. Bi. Everyone here is either gay or bi. There's your nuance, choke it down.
Almost there. Bi means a person likes men who present as men and women who present as women. How about a Kinsey scale, where people's sexuality is understood more fluidly? You either have two or three categories or you have an entire range that tries to account for the whole variety of likes and dislikes. But the problem with a scale is that it can't be used as easily to label or insult people (actually I see that as the upside along with its greater accuracy).

[DeadGirl-Productions]

You forget what board you're on. This isn't a happy hippy rainbow of free flowing ideas and Wholefoods coupons. This is where closeted guys come to look at penises that are smeared with just enough makeup and high heels to allow them to sleep at night.

[RallyCola]

It's not an insult. The word gay. You act like we are cursing you out. You choose to label everything. So accept the labels. The only reason for this thread existing is because people feel so conflicted about transgender people. What's so wrong about two penises? I don't get it. I don't get why your struggling so hard against logic and science. Homo meaning same. Penis + Penis. You and I cannot escape biology, neither can your post op girls. I have a penis, I'm truly sorry about that. And I really do see sex with a man as gay. But it's not an insult. It's just logical. Science is the ruler and he says we are gay.

that's a lot of words...but you still haven't, and i suspect won't, simply say that you are a gay man and your partner (who you called your GIRLFRIEND) won't do it either.

that you can't even honest with yourself and make the simple statement, the eventuality of everything you keep saying, and need to wrap it up in so much shrouded bullshit robs you of any credibility.

[CaptainPlanet]

Almost there. Bi means a person likes men who present as men and women who present as women. How about a Kinsey scale, where people's sexuality is understood more fluidly? You either have two or three categories or you have an entire range that tries to account for the whole variety of likes and dislikes. But the problem with a scale is that it can't be used as easily to label or insult people (actually I see that as the upside along with its greater accuracy).

Its all psychological, were a small group who think this way. The majority still look at TS as men, so in their eyes its still Bi/Gay behavior. Thats why at the end of the day i could care less what anyone thinks.

[RallyCola]

Ok. Bi. Everyone here is either gay or bi. There's your nuance, choke it down.

hmm...a concession. while you won't see it that way, you've clearly just lost all credibility as well. you are as weak and frail as you want the men of this board to be but since as they say, ignorance is bliss...you must be fucking ecstatic.

[RallyCola]

Its all psychological, were a small group who think this way. The majority still look at TS as men, so in their eyes its still Bi/Gay behavior. Thats why at the end of the day i could care less what anyone thinks.

yes but don't you find it ironic to say the least that within the trans-community, transwomen themselves are calling themselves gay men?

[giovanni_hotel]

Ya'll fight sooooo hard not to be called gay. Pathetic.

No, you're trolling per usual.


Guys here were discussing how someone's perceived sexuality can take a U-turn as an adult towards TS, then you and your shadow drop in to scream,' yall like TS 'cause you're a bunch of faggots. Have a nice day.'

It's not about being called gay which any man will be eventually if he's public about being into TS.

You and Ada have a very simplified view of sexuality, very binary, very dogmatic and absolute.

However biologists, psychologists and human anthropologists who all study human sexuality believe it to be more complex than gay v. 'gay sex' and straight v. 'straight sex'.

Are two GG lesbians who use penis sex toys on each other having 'straight sex'??lol

I'd love to hear what other TS who post on this board think about you calling them men for having sex with.....men.

Can a man be gay if he NEVER has sex with anyone except his wife??

You're a firestarter and a waste of time in an online conversation about almost anything.

[AdaBlackXXX]

BRB. Buying fruit. It's getting too good. :)

[CaptainPlanet]

yes but don't you find it ironic to say the least that within the trans-community, transwomen themselves are calling themselves gay men?

Its very backwards thinking considering they want to be seen as "Women"

[Kojak]

This Goes back to the Roman and Greek society.
Intresting article on Wikipedia ...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Rome

In the Roman days sex was about dominant versus submissive. -like prison sex i guess-.
The Notion of gay did not exist until Christianity condemned Same sex.

Was Aphrodite a Shemale ?

Start quote:"The figure was sometimes called Aphroditos. In several surviving examples of Greek and Roman sculpture, the love goddess pulls up her garments to reveal her male genitalia, a gesture that traditionally held apotropaic or magical power." End quote

[lifeisfiction]

Giovanni, I could tell after that statement you just dropped the mic.

I starting to think that maybe Jamie is attracted to gay men. Based on her logic it all makes sense.

[AdaBlackXXX]

This Goes back to the Roman and Greek society.
Intresting article on Wikipedia ...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Rome

In the Roman days sex was about dominant versus submissive. -like prison sex i guess-.
The Notion of gay did not exist until Christianity condemned Same sex.

Was Aphrodite a Shemale ?

Start quote:"The figure was sometimes called Aphroditos. In several surviving examples of Greek and Roman sculpture, the love goddess pulls up her garments to reveal her male genitalia, a gesture that traditionally held apotropaic or magical power." End quote

They also raped babies.

[DeadGirl-Productions]

Page 13, post #128.

Suck it.


that's a lot of words...but you still haven't, and i suspect won't, simply say that you are a gay man and your partner (who you called your GIRLFRIEND) won't do it either.

that you can't even honest with yourself and make the simple statement, the eventuality of everything you keep saying, and need to wrap it up in so much shrouded bullshit robs you of any credibility.

[DeadGirl-Productions]

Yeah, I'm weak.. a wealthy, award winning, self employed person who gets paid to do what you masturabate to, weakling! Do you always forget who you're talking to or does just keep you from eating a bullet, one sad sorry day at a time?


hmm...a concession. while you won't see it that way, you've clearly just lost all credibility as well. you are as weak and frail as you want the men of this board to be but since as they say, ignorance is bliss...you must be fucking ecstatic.

[DeadGirl-Productions]

He only dropped the mic cause his wrist is limp... happens all the time.


Giovanni, I could tell after that statement you just dropped the mic.

I starting to think that maybe Jamie is attracted to gay men. Based on her logic it all makes sense.

[DeadGirl-Productions]

We didn't start the fire, it was always burning since you gays were flamin'.


No, you're trolling per usual.


Guys here were discussing how someone's perceived sexuality can take a U-turn as an adult towards TS, then you and your shadow drop in to scream,' yall like TS 'cause you're a bunch of faggots. Have a nice day.'

It's not about being called gay which any man will be eventually if he's public about being into TS.

You and Ada have a very simplified view of sexuality, very binary, very dogmatic and absolute.

However biologists, psychologists and human anthropologists who all study human sexuality believe it to be more complex than gay v. 'gay sex' and straight v. 'straight sex'.

Are two GG lesbians who use penis sex toys on each other having 'straight sex'??lol

I'd love to hear what other TS who post on this board think about you calling them men for having sex with.....men.

Can a man be gay if he NEVER has sex with anyone except his wife??

You're a firestarter and a waste of time in an online conversation about almost anything.

[AdaBlackXXX]

If labeling somebody as gay and or being gay is not an insult, why do you use derogatory terms towards those men who you believe to be gay? In an interview, you once stated that you found the term faggot offensive.

https://twitter.com/AdaBlackXXX/status/533803139460526080

he doesn't understand the human anatomy it angered me an asshole is an asshole or anus whatever you prefer

again sex ed i believe we were all taught it

keep chewing away your ammo, you gotta stalk months back.. no wonder your so highly affected.. you've been dropping loads to me

sit down shut up let me have my gay sex

[DeadGirl-Productions]

We don't insult gay men, we insult people who are lying to themselves in order that they may preserve bullshit machismo. It's really gross.

[DeadGirl-Productions]

http://www.tsjamiefrench.com/3.jpg

[AdaBlackXXX]

http://www.tsjamiefrench.com/3.jpg

You don't need tv when following the fun threads of HA. ;)

[DeadGirl-Productions]

We stick up for people. Ya'll aren't that.

[javier81]

I would just like to say that I heart the cock, and am totally not not gay. I mean, my grandmother was bi, so that makes me quarter bi. Also, despite my username, I'm neither Hispanic nor born in 81; and I will curb stomp anyone who says otherwise.

[Good_Guy_Crocodile]

Men like pre-op ts for a myriad of reasons. I can only offer my own.

For the same reasons I like pussy, I like cock. I like the pleasure a cock can give me and therefore I also like seeing a cock, because the view triggers both fond memories and exciting fantasies. However, equally important to me is the body that cock is attached to, and in that regard my preference goes towards a young fit feminine body, with voluptuous breasts and ass. How she got that body, be it exercise, hormone treatment, surgery and/or genetics, is of no importance to me. I couldn't care less how she was born, I don't even care how she looked yesterday, I live in the present so all that matters is how she presently looks.

Now I use the term "she", because, from experience, that is how most preop-ts prefer to be called. I'd have no qualms having sex with someone who identified themselves as "he", if the attraction was there. It just hasn't happened. (yet?)

So according to some, I'm gay. And that's okay. I don't find the term insulting, just constraining.

[RallyCola]

so...to review, Ada and James are gay men, believe that all pre-op or non-op transwomen who have sex with men are also just gay men and believe that all men who are interested in transwomen are closeted gay men.

Really, we are no where different than we were days ago except that Ada and James have just demonstrated how weak minded, hypocritical and inconsistent they are.

sounds like status quo on HA!

Anyone want to lay odds on when James dumps Ada like Tiffany and Eva before?

[lifeisfiction]

Jamie is just bored. She is getting people to entertain her nonsense.

[DeezNuts515]

Deeznuts I know for a fact is stalking my shit. That stuff is months old. Would make sense for him to come at me after making sense of all this considering how many orgasms he's had over at my blog. Sorry dude. I have a cock. Let me have my gay sex! :)

Hey dipshit, take a look at post 102. That was ChipperBogs post about your blog I was referring to.

I have no desire to follow your blog. You are an idiotic piece of shit, who clearly identifies more as a trap than a woman, so I am not interested in your words or your prepubescent male body.

[DeezNuts515]

Yeah, I'm weak.. a wealthy, award winning, self employed person who gets paid to do what you masturabate to, weakling! Do you always forget who you're talking to or does just keep you from eating a bullet, one sad sorry day at a time?

If you are so wealthy, PLEASE spend a little money and fix that busted ass grill of yours.

[daltx_m]

It's the butt sex.

[LovinThaTSLadiez]

I would just like to say that I heart the cock, and am totally not not gay. I mean, my grandmother was bi, so that makes me quarter bi. Also, despite my username, I'm neither Hispanic nor born in 81; and I will curb stomp anyone who says otherwise.

:claps This is the perfect answer!

[jamesedwards]

Rally Cola first off, You don't get to define me, at no time at all. I am not Gay unless you'e talking about I am happy then yes. The word Gay is corrupted by people like you, the correct word is Homosexual! Period!

Hence, you seem to not know what the word Homosexual mean. "A person who is emotionally attached to the person of the same sex (Man on Man) and have sex with them."

Now due to the post I show I always also talk about my GG, now how do you get I am gay if I am with a GG, and I have sexy with a TGirl who claims she is a female? So RallyCola are you calling the TGirl a man? I have expressed the TGirl I fuck is my FUCK BUDDY we don't have an emotional relationship, we like to fuck each other and we fuck each other hard. Now with the definition I have, and I have even said in a post thread that I love PUSSY more than a having a TGirl how do you come to the conclusion that I am strictly GAY?

I have coined myself as being A NASTY FREAKY MOTHA FUCKA! and everyone who has seen my writing knows that. How the fuck can someone get STRICTLY gay if they fuck a woman also, please tell me! Last time I checked HOMOSEXUAL MEN DON'T LIKE PUSSY AT ALL THEY ARE DISGUSTED BY IT!

WHAT SAY YOU NOW RALLY COLA, YOUR MOVE!



so...to review, Ada and James are gay men, believe that all pre-op or non-op transwomen who have sex with men are also just gay men and believe that all men who are interested in transwomen are closeted gay men.

Really, we are no where different than we were days ago except that Ada and James have just demonstrated how weak minded, hypocritical and inconsistent they are.

sounds like status quo on HA!

Anyone want to lay odds on when James dumps Ada like Tiffany and Eva before?

[jamesedwards]

reading is fundamental.
1.) i wasn't addressing you directly.
2.) go back to page 13 post #128 and you'll see just how good you are at losing.

exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DeezNuts515]

WHAT SAY YOU NOW RALLY COLA, YOUR MOVE!

Ummmmm, he was referring to Jamie, not you..........

[jamesedwards]

Being you said all that are you a Homosexual?


Who is confusing anything?

Pussy is an "innie" and gets all moist for me. Cock is an "outie" and my mouth gets moist for it.

Asshole is the tightest part of a woman, the place I like to lick and fuck the most. Every woman I have ever fucked has had a glorious asshole for me to enjoy but only a few have had a cock. In fact.. if you eliminate the women who I have only gone down on...only 2 have I ever only fucked vaginally. I've been fortunate that the rest have liked it up the ass.

I say it loud and proud...for my tongue and dick, I prefer ass over vag...doesn't matter if I have a left handful of clit or cock while in it so long as the girl is hot and has a nice rack for my right hand.

[Laphroaig]

Rally Cola first off, You don't get to define me, at no time at all. I am not Gay unless you'e talking about I am happy then yes. The word Gay is corrupted by people like you, the correct word is Homosexual! Period!

Hence, you seem to not know what the word Homosexual mean. "A person who is emotionally attached to the person of the same sex (Man on Man) and have sex with them."

Now due to the post I show I always also talk about my GG, now how do you get I am gay if I am with a GG, and I have sexy with a TGirl who claims she is a female? So RallyCola are you calling the TGirl a man? I have expressed the TGirl I fuck is my FUCK BUDDY we don't have an emotional relationship, we like to fuck each other and we fuck each other hard. Now with the definition I have, and I have even said in a post thread that I love PUSSY more than a having a TGirl how do you come to the conclusion that I am strictly GAY?

I have coined myself as being A NASTY FREAKY MOTHA FUCKA! and everyone who has seen my writing knows that. How the fuck can someone get STRICTLY gay if they fuck a woman also, please tell me! Last time I checked HOMOSEXUAL MEN DON'T LIKE PUSSY AT ALL THEY ARE DISGUSTED BY IT!

WHAT SAY YOU NOW RALLY COLA, YOUR MOVE!

Oops, not only have you mixed yourself up with Jamie, but you're obviously so insecure that you had to produce that rant...

An epic fail on both counts...:dead:

[jamesedwards]

So sense we are doing sexual math here riddle me this smart ass.

Penis + Pussy + Penis = What? You're move!


Penis + penis = gay. Anything else is just insecurity talking.
Sexuality/sex has nothing to do with gender... the actual meat speaks for itself.

[DeezNuts515]

Oops, not only have you mixed yourself up with Jamie, but you're obviously so insecure that you had to produce that rant...

An epic fail on both counts...:dead:

Lol, he's just attacking randomly now. First he agreed with Jamie (probably not even realizing that's her account), now he is ranting on her.

[jamesedwards]

BAaaaaaaaaaaammmmmmmm you hit it on the head. If we go by Ada's logic or whatever spacely logic she is trying to convey, it would be confusing. Ada has the right to call himself gay! But not others.

First off, people need to understand a TGirl hence the word sees herself technically as a woman! That's why you have the term Homosexual and Transgender, are they the same? No! if they were they were be either name and would cancel out the other label.

They are basically saying that TGirls are homosexuals, this is getting confusing by confused people that don't know what they are talking about.

If I said, which I say completely on this site that I have threesums with my GG, myself and the TGirl how the fuck would I be a homosexual? Someone has to explain this to me, give me the definition of a homosexual. I don't want the def of gay because that word meant merry or happy and it has been corrupted by naysayers! My thing is if one calls someone GAY because they have fun with a TGirl then what the fuck is that so called Straight guy doing here? I'm straight and I don't label no one, I come here to have fun, I label myself not anyone else can label me. as I said before I am a freaky motha fucka! and I am proud of it. You hit it on the head with what you said, thank you for being LOGICAL when others aren't


I didn't know I was gay, lol. If you are going to say men who are into ts are gay, it would incorrect. I never met a gay man who actually was intro transgender women. It would be most men are bi. Even this is incorrect. A lot of men who like trans women are turned off by men. A penis on a woman is something different, but it doesn't mean a person only sees the penis.

.

[jamesedwards]

Lol, he's just attacking randomly now. First he agreed with Jamie (probably not even realizing that's her account), now he is ranting on her.

:dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead:

[jamesedwards]

Said like a fucking true logical Champion!!!!! Thank you for that post!


Men like pre-op ts for a myriad of reasons. I can only offer my own.

For the same reasons I like pussy, I like cock. I like the pleasure a cock can give me and therefore I also like seeing a cock, because the view triggers both fond memories and exciting fantasies. However, equally important to me is the body that cock is attached to, and in that regard my preference goes towards a young fit feminine body, with voluptuous breasts and ass. How she got that body, be it exercise, hormone treatment, surgery and/or genetics, is of no importance to me. I couldn't care less how she was born, I don't even care how she looked yesterday, I live in the present so all that matters is how she presently looks.

Now I use the term "she", because, from experience, that is how most preop-ts prefer to be called. I'd have no qualms having sex with someone who identified themselves as "he", if the attraction was there. It just hasn't happened. (yet?)

So according to some, I'm gay. And that's okay. I don't find the term insulting, just constraining.

[jamesedwards]

Where the fuck is RallyCola on presenting how can a man who loves pussy and TGirls be a homosexual, and where is So called Jamie and her sexual mathematical equation on Penis + Pussy + Penis = what, answer. I want to see if she can do that math, and tell me the sexual label she put on that sum!

[broncofan]

At least it's a nice diversion. A couple pages of nonsense isn't going to hurt this thread too much...So what was it you were saying James Edwards? Just post a few more times and we can agree and disagree and not even know which we're doing.:)

[Laphroaig]

Where the fuck is RallyCola on presenting how can a man who loves pussy and TGirls be a homosexual, and where is So called Jamie and her sexual mathematical equation on Penis + Pussy + Penis = what, answer. I want to see if she can do that math, and tell me the sexual label she put on that sum!

You still don't get it do you, when RallyCola said "James" he was referring to Jamie, NOT you.

Now, stop SHOUTING, calm down, read the thread properly and ponder on what an idiot you've made of yourself...

[jamesedwards]

Oh well if he was talking about Jamie, why was he saying James? I did read it ass wipe how do you think I seen the word James?

so you shut the fuck up! You dumb ass stop saying I am shouting, do you hear through the computer? And stay out of another person's business let that person say what they have to say to me, you talking that shit like you do I bet you wouldn't do it face to face, cause I would crack your fucking jaw into 32 pieces, so don't try to play gangsta, stay from others beef, that's some bitch made shit you just pulled.


You still don't get it do you, when RallyCola said "James" he was referring to Jamie, NOT you.

Now, stop SHOUTING, calm down, read the thread properly and ponder on what an idiot you've made of yourself...

[jamesedwards]

As a man I will apologize to RallyCola because it did seem a bit strange that he would say that when he and I was just in my thread talking about Sucking TGirls cock.

So in front of everyone I apologize Rally Cola!

[jamesedwards]

Now for anyone thinking just cause a straight man likes a TGirl you can refer to him being gay, is wrong but you're even more wrong when when a man says openly that he loves GG pussy more than Tgirl. See if I could only have one I would chose the GG cause I love pussy, but I also said I have an asshole fetish, so if I were to chose I would take the GG. She could use a strapon on me, and I can suck her asshole and fuck it also, so all around I could still have my fun.

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?50702-For-the-guys!-Which-you-prefer-COCK-or-PUSSY/page11
http://i62.tinypic.com/2m3qz9i.png

[Laphroaig]

Oh well if he was talking about Jamie, why was he saying James? I did read it ass wipe how do you think I seen the word James?

so you shut the fuck up!

You did have to be told three times, so you obviously weren't reading...

Fair play on the apology to RallyCola though.

[broncofan]

Oh well if he was talking about Jamie, why was he saying James? I did read it ass wipe how do you think I seen the word James?

so you shut the fuck up!
He was calling her a male name because he thought the logical endpoint of her argument is that a man can only be gay for liking a ts if the ts identifies as a man. Why would he randomly talk about you and Jamie French's girlfriend in the same sentence? You've got to ask yourself these common sense questions sometimes.

[broncofan]

As a man I will apologize to RallyCola because it did seem a bit strange that he would say that when he and I was just in my thread talking about Sucking TGirls cock.

Nothing else about the context of his post seemed odd to you? Why was he talking about you and Ada, of all the people on the forum? Okay, guess everything's cleared up anyway.

[Laphroaig]

Oh well if he was talking about Jamie, why was he saying James? I did read it ass wipe how do you think I seen the word James?

so you shut the fuck up! You dumb ass stop saying I am shouting, do you hear through the computer? And stay out of another person's business let that person say what they have to say to me, you talking that shit like you do I bet you wouldn't do it face to face, cause I would crack your fucking jaw into 32 pieces, so don't try to play gangsta, stay from others beef, that's some bitch made shit you just pulled.

Well as you've edited your post to try and insult me further (sticks and stones...), I withdraw my previous comment about fair play and will just stick with idiot who can't read properly.

[Kojak]

Why is it transgenders on AdultWork can profile themselves as male or female pre-op transexual? Would that imply there are gay shemales ( those who listed themselves as male) and hetero shemales (those that listed themselves on AW as female) ?
Or is it because gender choice is mandatory on registrering, but If so, strangely you find a larger list of male transexuals than female transexuals when running a query on AW.
I am not implying anything here....just wonder ...always found that confusing on AW.

[jamesedwards]

Nothing else about the context of his post seemed odd to you? Why was he talking about you and Ada, of all the people on the forum? Okay, guess everything's cleared up anyway.

Man I apologized already, plus, it could get confusing when I see the word JAMES, that's me, who else on here is named James? I considered RC as a cool dude cause we share in my threads and we have fun. So it seemed like a slap in the face. But I see now, but it's still confusing. I don't see where Jamie is James, but I guess RC was being sarcastic. So I just apologized to RC for that, like I said he is a cool guy and we have fun in my threads and we share pics. So all I can do is hope he accepts it.
This is the shit Jamie does, I have gotten into it with Jamie before way back, and so much back and forth people end up arguing.
That's why I said "But for me" I didn't speak for no one else and Jamie went right up under me no pun intended and said what she said. and now i want her to figure out that equation!

[Laphroaig]

Why is it transgenders on AdultWork can profile themselves as male or female pre-op transexual? Would that imply there are gay shemales ( those who listed themselves as male) and hetero shemales (those that listed themselves on AW as female) ?
Or is it because gender choice is mandatory on registrering, but If so, strangely you find a larger list of male transexuals than female transexuals when running a query on AW.
I am not implying anything here....just wonder ...always found that confusing on AW.

Darkrose explained that to me in a recent thread.

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?94403-genuine-alternatives-to-AW

[jamesedwards]

Well as you've edited your post to try and insult me further (sticks and stones...), I withdraw my previous comment about fair play and will just stick with idiot who can't read properly.

You dumb ass, the word JAMES was there, meaning it seemed like me. I am the only James on here, and you're still trying to be funny, I didn't edit to help but to add I would kick your ass if you were to talk to me like that jumping into another man's business in the street of New York, I would straight up fuck you up! That's what I edit in it because you needed to see that, how the fuck you going to jump into another man's business and act as if I was talking directly to you? Mind your fucking business. I would expect RC to come back but you? You are wrong for jumping into it, period, now again shut the fuck up.

[giovanni_hotel]

Why is it transgenders on AdultWork can profile themselves as male or female pre-op transexual? Would that imply there are gay shemales ( those who listed themselves as male) and hetero shemales (those that listed themselves on AW as female) ?
Or is it because gender choice is mandatory on registrering, but If so, strangely you find a larger list of male transexuals than female transexuals when running a query on AW.
I am not implying anything here....just wonder ...always found that confusing on AW.
Because CD/DQs are allowed to register as transgenders.

[Laphroaig]

You dumb ass, the word JAMES was there, meaning it seemed like me. I am the only James on here, and you're still trying to be funny, I didn't edit to help but to add I would kick your ass if you were to talk to me like that jumping into another man's business in the street of New York, I would straight up fuck you up! That's what I edit in it because you needed to see that, how the fuck you going to jump into another man's business and act as if I was talking directly to you? Mind your fucking business. I would expect RC to come back but you? You are wrong for jumping into it, period, now again shut the fuck up.

:dead: Seriously, calm down, this is a free forum on the internet. ANYONE can jump in anytime they like.

You've already made a fool of yourself, don't make it any worse.

[jamesedwards]

From my point I was only told once and that's by you, I didn't see the other two, and I have not read all the pages, of what everyone said. Do you understand that?

I didn't make a fool of myself and see this is why I go after you because you sound like a bitch jumping into someone else beef and then you're trying to clean your shit up. But that's a bitch move you pulled. Again RC had all the right to come at me not you, so again sit your ass down and shut up~!


You did have to be told three times, so you obviously weren't reading...

Fair play on the apology to RallyCola though.

[Laphroaig]

From my point I was only told once and that's by you, I didn't see the other two, and I have not read all the pages, of what everyone said. Do you understand that?

Yes, I understand that you didn't read the thread properly, which was EXACTLY my point.

[broncofan]

Read the original post you quoted James. There are about three sentences that indicate Rally is talking about someone he just argued with (if you did not just have an extended argument with him this should have confused you); that the person he argued with claimed that men who like ts are gay (if you didn't claim this, you should have been scratching your head); and that this person was dating Eva Cassini and later on Ada (which again I don't think you have).

Everything you needed to know to know it was not you was in the post you quoted. No big deal, but those are the facts.

[Kojak]

Jamesedwards, listening to the words you are using, you are one fine example of stereotype well educated and caring, average community citizen, ... not.
I just wonder what all these conversations have to do with why are so many str8 men into preopts. For once i was hoping to read real valuable insight in anthropology. I can't expres how disappointed i am Each time i login to see pages gone by with emotional pingpong irrelevant to the topic.

[jamesedwards]

Yes, I understand that you didn't read the thread properly, which was EXACTLY my point.

Again like a bitch you have to get the last word! again stay out of others beef!

[jamesedwards]

Jamesedwards, listening to the words you are using, you are one fine example of stereotype well educated and caring, average community citizen, ... not.
I just wonder what all these conversations have to do with why are so many str8 men into preopts. For once i was hoping to read real valuable insight in anthropology. I can't expres how disappointed i am Each time i login to see pages gone by with emotional pingpong irrelevant to the topic.

Well if you read my initial statement you would see I said "ME" and how I feel about "ME" I didn't label no one as homosexual or so called gay. Just as others so eloquently did.

[jamesedwards]

Exactly! I was scratching my head cause me and RC was just kicking it and having fun in my thread that I started, and RC seems cool. But remember I put up what I said about not being gay, so if RC was to say some thing he could of counter reacted what I said, and I said I am not so called gay or homosexual I am just a nasty motha fucka! That's what I posted. I didn't know Jamie changed her handle, I don't keep up with Jamie and a lot of people in here. Jamie starts shit all the time she tried to get me kicked out and I wasn't going for it.
So yeah I was confused at that point but now I get it. and I went to RC and apologized personally so it's all good.


Read the original post you quoted James. There are about three sentences that indicate Rally is talking about someone he just argued with (if you did not just have an extended argument with him this should have confused you); that the person he argued with claimed that men who like ts are gay (if you didn't claim this, you should have been scratching your head); and that this person was dating Eva Cassini and later on Ada (which again I don't think you have).

Everything you needed to know to know it was not you was in the post you quoted. No big deal, but those are the facts.

[Laphroaig]

From my point I was only told once and that's by you, I didn't see the other two, and I have not read all the pages, of what everyone said. Do you understand that?

I didn't make a fool of myself and see this is why I go after you because you sound like a bitch jumping into someone else beef and then you're trying to clean your shit up. But that's a bitch move you pulled. Again RC had all the right to come at me not you, so again sit your ass down and shut up~!


Again like a bitch you have to get the last word! again stay out of others beef!

You're the one who has a beef with me.

James, you're like a clockwork toy, wind you up and watch you spin...

It would be amusing if it wasn't so easy.

And that my friend is my final word, rant all you like, you've still made a total idiot of yourself....

[jamesedwards]

Final word is? You're bitch made? There you go again!
I had no beef with you, it was with RC until I learned what I did. You don't understand nor get it, you jumped in it talking shit to me. You should of came at it in another way like " James R wasn't talking to you, he was talking about Jamie". No you had to throw insult to injury in it by saying some slick shit to me. You coward.


You're the one who has a beef with me.

James, you've made a total idiot of yourself. You're like a clockwork toy, wind you up and watch you spin...

It would be amusing if it wasn't so easy.

And that my friend is my final word...

[jamesedwards]

Now back to the original thread topic.

So no if I'm a straight man and I fuck with a GG Domme and TGirl I don't see that as being homosexual or so called gay. I am just a freaky motha fucka, that's all!

Now how others interpret how they label themselves is up to them.

[broncofan]

Now back to the original thread topic.

So no if I'm a straight man and I fuck with a GG Domme and TGirl I don't see that as being homosexual or so called gay. I am just a freaky motha fucka, that's all!

Now how others interpret how they label themselves is up to them.
Please elaborate. Do we agree or disagree?

[LovinThaTSLadiez]

You guys are getting out of hand. People can define themselves how they choose. How another person defines their own sexuality affects my life 0%. My personal opinion, a guy who likes TS cock, myself included, is bisexual. A man who likes cock can't be 100% straight. That is my personal opinion anyway.

It seems to me that so many are afraid of the big "G" word. GAY!!! If you guys are brave enough to come on this message board and talk about slobbing cock or whatever else you are into, then why not be brave enough to accept and embrace your sexuality. I am not gay, but definitely bi. I only like femininity, and would never be interested in having sex with a man, but a lady with a cock or femboy or whatever, I am so0o0o0 interested in. I have had sex with countless t-girls too, so it isn't just an internet fantasy.

Personally, I have no issue whatsoever defining myself as bisexual. Some of these guys here will ONLY define themselves as 100% straight when that is really total bullshit. Who cares? Like I said, people can define their sexuality how hey choose. Whether or not I agree with them shouldn't matter at all.

[DeezNuts515]

Nobody better step to jamesedwards in the streets of NY. He is obviously retard strong.

[scuderia]

Nobody better step to jamesedwards in the streets of NY. He is obviously retard strong.

didn't even care about the thread but yeah, that guy got facefucked way too often

[jamesedwards]

Please elaborate. Do we agree or disagree?

I don't understand what you mean? what is your stands on this subject? I can't say anything until I know where you stand.

[jamesedwards]

Nobody better step to jamesedwards in the streets of NY. He is obviously retard strong.

Retard not, but see why are you jumping into this? are you a bandwagon follower? Leave the shit alone, I am being nice right now.

[broncofan]

I don't understand what you mean? what is your stands on this subject? I can't say anything until I know where you stand.
I'm just kidding you James. The comment was a play on your tendency to argue against people who are agreeing with you. I am on the same general side as you, though I disagree with almost everything you say elsewhere, including your inane comments in other threads about the so-called gay lifestyle. I also am still picking my jaw up off the floor from some of your other statements.

[jamesedwards]

Well see I can agree with this.
So if what you're saying if a man likes cock of a TGirl can't be 100% straight, but he loves pussy also, so ummmmmm is he like 80% Straight? LOL
Let me ask you, you said you like Ts cock, but you're bisexual, please explain this? I don't see it, unless you strictly go by the precept, of a TS being a woman fully, technically.
As I have expressed I have a woman a GG Domme, and we have 3sums with a fuck buddy TGirl and my GG loves the 3sums. Please explain.


You guys are getting out of hand. People can define themselves how they choose. How another person defines their own sexuality affects my life 0%. My personal opinion, a guy who likes TS cock, myself included, is bisexual. A man who likes cock can't be 100% straight. That is my personal opinion anyway.
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[jamesedwards]

I'm just kidding you James. The comment was a play on your tendency to argue against people who are agreeing with you. I am on the same general side as you, though I disagree with almost everything you say elsewhere, including your inane comments in other threads about the so-called gay lifestyle. I also am still picking my jaw up off the floor from some of your other statements.

People who agree with me I argue with? hmmmmm where at? I would like to see it so I can correct that.

[LovinThaTSLadiez]

Well see I can agree with this.
So if what you're saying if a man likes cock of a TGirl can't be 100% straight, but he loves pussy also, so ummmmmm is he like 80% Straight? LOL
Let me ask you, you said you like Ts cock, but you're bisexual, please explain this? I don't see it, unless you strictly go by the precept, of a TS being a woman fully, technically.
As I have expressed I have a woman a GG Domme, and we have 3sums with a fuck buddy TGirl and my GG loves the 3sums. Please explain.

I don't know where each individual's percentage lies, but surely you can't be saying that just because you like pussy too that it nullifies the fact that you like cock. Cock is after all a male body part. So liking cock, even on a beautiful lady, still makes someone bisexual, at least in my humble opinion.

If I like to get fucked and suck dick, which I do only if she is TS or he is a hot femboy or whatever, then I still can't honestly say, "Yeah, I am totally straight". I mean, do you call "no homo" before going down on a TS or what? And is being bisexual so bad?

[jamesedwards]

Actually I could agree with the bolded statement, and by Society terms it would be bisexual, not a homosexual.

Where you confuse me at is, do you only fuck TS women? Or do you sex GG's and TGirls? you have to be clear.

Another note, again I label myself as a freaky motha fucka, again here we go again with putting someone in someone else label box. I don't want opinions I want facts.

Fact, give me the fact if you as a man sleeps and is emotionally attached to a male only what does that make you?

Fact if you sleep with a woman/GG and TGirls what does that make you?

I want facts, and keep it very clear one what you're saying. thanks


I don't know where each individual's percentage lies, but surely you can't be saying that just because you like pussy too that it nullifies the fact that you like cock. Cock is after all a male body part. So liking cock, even on a beautiful lady, still makes someone bisexual, at least in my humble opinion.

If I like to get fucked and suck dick, which I do only if she is TS or he is a hot femboy or whatever, then I still can't honestly say, "Yeah, I am totally straight". I mean, do you call "no homo" before going down on a TS or what? And is being bisexual so bad?

[DeezNuts515]

The legality of gay marriage could have been solved so many years ago. They should have just told the governing authorities they were "freaky motha fuckas."

[LovinThaTSLadiez]

Actually I could agree with the bolded statement, and by Society terms it would be bisexual, not a homosexual.

Where you confuse me at is, do you only fuck TS women? Or do you sex GG's and TGirls? you have to be clear.

Another note, again I label myself as a freaky motha fucka, again here we go again with putting someone in someone else label box. I don't want opinions I want facts.

Fact, give me the fact if you as a man sleeps and is emotionally attached to a male only what does that make you?

Fact if you sleep with a woman/GG and TGirls what does that make you?

I want facts, and keep it very clear one what you're saying. thanks


I never said homosexual. I said bisexual and I was clear on that. I obviously fuck GG's too which is why I am bisexual. I love vagina. I love cock. Ultimately, what I am attracted to is femininity, so GG's are definitely in that category. However a feminine, attractive person who was born male defines their own gender or title, be it TS, femboy, CD, etc., is their business. I can be attracted to them if they look like a beautiful woman.

To answer your questions, a guy who is emotionally involved and sleeps exclusively with men is gay. A guy who sleeps with both GG and pre-op/non-op TS women is bisexual. If a guy sleeps with pre-op TS women and is absolutely not interested in her cock at all and completely works around it, then his percentage is much closer to the 100% straight side, but still, if he were 100% straight, why not just sleep with a GG?

Let's just say he met someone whom he didn't know was TS and fell in love with her and accepted her as she was once he found out she was TS. He had no interest in her cock and never touched it. I could say he is still basically straight. Especially, if she were going to have the surgery. This, however, does not apply to you or me. We are both very open, at least on Hung Angels, that we like cock. So, by my definition, we are bisexual. Again, define yourself as you choose. I have no say in your life. We just have a common interest which is why we are both on this site.

[RallyCola]

ok...clearly i should have taken today off and posted all day long!

obviously, as stated, jamesedwards has confused my post about gay men named french and black and being about him.

also...do you all see what they have done...they have us fighting amongst ourselves. its like they are the man and we are guilt of black on black crime. just stop the insanity and realize that they don't have any clients right now so they are poking around here for entertainment. the difference between the entertainment we all seek and what they seek is that we want to see hot naked chicks and they want to condemn us for it.

so...to get us back on topic...straight men may have a fantasy about a transwoman because in the end, it is a beautiful woman getting fucked. that is why transgender erotica is the fastest growing segment of the adult industry!
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[jamesedwards]

Exactly RC !!!! That's what Jamie does.


ok...clearly i should have taken today off and posted all day long!

obviously, as stated, jamesedwards has confused my post about gay men named french and black and being about him.

also...do you all see what they have done...they have us fighting amongst ourselves. its like they are the man and we are guilt of black on black crime. just stop the insanity and realize that they don't have any clients right now so they are poking around here for entertainment. the difference between the entertainment we all seek and what they seek is that we want to see hot naked chicks and they want to condemn us for it.

so...to get us back on topic...straight men may have a fantasy about a transwoman because in the end, it is a beautiful woman getting fucked. that is why transgender erotica is the fastest growing segment of the adult industry!
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[jamesedwards]

Nope I said homosexual because you never once said you slept with GG's not once so that part wasn't clear. Some say they are bisexual just to be funny. So I don't know you this is my first time speaking to you and I don't read minds!
Now you are clear cause you said you love vagina, but in your initial statement you didn't say that.
I agree with you 8550 % I am attracted to femininity also, that's what I kept trying to explain to people. I am not attracted to masculine men like myself and I was clear and I said that.

I have an extreme fetish of the asshole anyone who have seen my post know I do. Either on the other person and on me. I love getting my GSpot hammered and I love Dominant Femininity. If I see the trait of masculinity in a TS I am turned off, I love a lush looking TGirl that looks like this. Look at her she is sexy her complexion is beautiful, it would be fucking so like hard for me to say NO to. For me to say no to this TGirl who would wanna fuck me would be insane.

http://www.shemale-porn-galls.com/galls/bobstgirls/electra_black_dress_pic/9.jpg

Who is sexy as fuck, carries her self like a woman, who has big tits, ass, legs, and pretty face and hair done right. The cock is the extra because I love getting it in the ass, plus I am a freaky motha fucka.
The GG I experienced this first with, strapon and getting fucked in the ass, so a TG was no brainer for ME.

The TGirl has the right, I agree with you again on that!

Yep a man who sleeps and only deal with men, I would use the term homosexual, gay was not always used on homosexuals, so you gave fact not an opinion.

I agree when you put the term def. bisexual on the table as a man sleeps with a GG and a TGirl, but for me, again it's all about femininity and absolutely not about masculine. So I put myself in 100% straight. Another reason is if we are going to accept TGirls as being women, then that ups the ante of being a woman, if we don't we are calling them homosexuals and not TGirls. Isn't there a difference?

I respect your view on the last paragraph you gave! It was articulated very well. Thank you for the honest and respectable post.


I never said homosexual. I said bisexual and I was clear on that. I obviously fuck GG's too which is why I am bisexual. I love vagina. I love cock. Ultimately, what I am attracted to is femininity, so GG's are definitely in that category. However a feminine, attractive person who was born male defines their own gender or title, be it TS, femboy, CD, etc., is their business. I can be attracted to them if they look like a beautiful woman.

To answer your questions, a guy who is emotionally involved and sleeps exclusively with men is gay. A guy who sleeps with both GG and pre-op/non-op TS women is bisexual. If a guy sleeps with pre-op TS women and is absolutely not interested in her cock at all and completely works around it, then his percentage is much closer to the 100% straight side, but still, if he were 100% straight, why not just sleep with a GG?

Let's just say he met someone whom he didn't know was TS and fell in love with her and accepted her as she was once he found out she was TS. He had no interest in her cock and never touched it. I could say he is still basically straight. Especially, if she were going to have the surgery. This, however, does not apply to you or me. We are both very open, at least on Hung Angels, that we like cock. So, by my definition, we are bisexual. Again, define yourself as you choose. I have no say in your life. We just have a common interest which is why we are both on this site.

[RallyCola]

The part that had me rolling was when Jamie said she was wealthy and award winning.

when someone resorts, in 2015, to quoting charlie sheen...its not a good look.

ironically, charlie sheen allegedly banged kayla coxx. is that why he said he was bi-winning.
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[jamesedwards]

If I am going to love parts of a TGirl I am going to love every inch her, from the bottom of her feet to the top of her head, let me be precise, included her dick! I have licked the bottom of the feet of a TGirl. her knees, armpits, asshole, thighs, fingers, ears, lips, eyebrows, ankles, etc. You named it I licked and sucked it.

[jamesedwards]

WTF? :dead: lmao lol blasphemy! LOL hahahah


when someone resorts, in 2015, to quoting charlie sheen...its not a good look.

ironically, charlie sheen allegedly banged kayla coxx. is that why he said he was bi-winning.
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[lifeisfiction]

Don't let Jamie have the last laugh. You know she is trying to tell Ada that all men are closeted and that she is the real deal. Does her opinion really matter? It is only her and Ada who believe this idea. No other woman has said you know. Jamie is right. We all know very few people would agree with her statement. Like I said she is causing trouble and stringing a lot of people along while eating popcorn.

[jamesedwards]

I agree with you, it was explained to me what is going on. That's what they do is start shit. I had a run in with Jamie, but I got on her ass! Now she has switched her handle, so I didn't know it was Jamie, so its crazy. But fuck Jamie also.


Don't let Jamie have the last laugh. You know she is trying to tell Ada that all men are closeted and that she is the real deal. Does her opinion really matter? It is only her and Ada who believe this idea. No other woman has said you know. Jamie is right. We all know very few people would agree with her statement. Like I said she is causing trouble and stringing a lot of people along while eating popcorn.

[LovinThaTSLadiez]

Nope I said homosexual because you never once said you slept with GG's not once so that part wasn't clear. Some say they are bisexual just to be funny. So I don't know you this is my first time speaking to you and I don't read minds!
Now you are clear cause you said you love vagina, but in your initial statement you didn't say that.
I agree with you 8550 % I am attracted to femininity also, that's what I kept trying to explain to people. I am not attracted to masculine men like myself and I was clear and I said that.

I have an extreme fetish of the asshole anyone who have seen my post know I do. Either on the other person and on me. I love getting my GSpot hammered and I love Dominant Femininity. If I see the trait of masculinity in a TS I am turned off, I love a lush looking TGirl that looks like this. Look at her she is sexy her complexion is beautiful, it would be fucking so like hard for me to say NO to. For me to say no to this TGirl who would wanna fuck me would be insane.

http://www.shemale-porn-galls.com/galls/bobstgirls/electra_black_dress_pic/9.jpg

Who is sexy as fuck, carries her self like a woman, who has big tits, ass, legs, and pretty face and hair done right. The cock is the extra because I love getting it in the ass, plus I am a freaky motha fucka.
The GG I experienced this first with, strapon and getting fucked in the ass, so a TG was no brainer for ME.

The TGirl has the right, I agree with you again on that!

Yep a man who sleeps and only deal with men, I would use the term homosexual, gay was not always used on homosexuals, so you gave fact not an opinion.

I agree when you put the term def. bisexual on the table as a man sleeps with a GG and a TGirl, but for me, again it's all about femininity and absolutely not about masculine. So I put myself in 100% straight. Another reason is if we are going to accept TGirls as being women, then that ups the ante of being a woman, if we don't we are calling them homosexuals and not TGirls. Isn't there a difference?

I respect your view on the last paragraph you gave! It was articulated very well. Thank you for the honest and respectable post.

See, we basically agree on everything. We were merely debating terminology which is extensive, yet still limited. We are both masculine males who like femininity. Our sexual identity definitions differ somewhat. No problem there.

I can appreciate having an articulate conversation with someone intelligent who doesn't resort to ignorant insults and pointless slander the moment someone doesn't agree with them. This is an awesome thread and hopefully it continue without people being at each others' throats. So, it was nice conversing with you @jamesedwards. And for everyone else, let's keep it clean!

[jamesedwards]

Yeah I can say we agree, the semantics would be the base of difference. Hell yeah I love femininity, it's sexy and erotic, I was born that way LOL

Indeed, I can appreciate having an articulate conversation and getting an answer or maybe get some knowledge out of it. thanks with the utmost respect.


See, we basically agree on everything. We were merely debating terminology which is extensive, yet still limited. We are both masculine males who like femininity. Our sexual identity definitions differ somewhat. No problem there.

I can appreciate having an articulate conversation with someone intelligent who doesn't resort to ignorant insults and pointless slander the moment someone doesn't agree with them. This is an awesome thread and hopefully it continue without people being at each others' throats. So, it was nice conversing with you @jamesedwards. And for everyone else, let's keep it clean!

[RallyCola]

If I am going to love parts of a TGirl I am going to love every inch her, from the bottom of her feet to the top of her head, let me be precise, included her dick! I have licked the bottom of the feet of a TGirl. her knees, armpits, asshole, thighs, fingers, ears, lips, eyebrows, ankles, etc. You named it I licked and sucked it.


umm...noses???

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Nose+Fetish+Asians

[jamesedwards]

umm...noses???

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Nose+Fetish+Asians

:dead: lol lmao ctfu Ohhhhhhhhh man, hey I might have to throw that into the sexual scene of mine, ain't to much to do to a nose, unless I can lick the bridge of it, I can do it, but the holes are to small LOL

[jamesedwards]

"Why are so many STR8 men attracted to preop TS"

I can only guess as they see TS women as beautiful ladies just as GG's and can have sex in the ass because you have to fuck a Ts in the ass because she has no other hole. Men typically wanna fuck a woman in the ass. So his is the perfect opportunity to do so, they can get their rocks off without getting the TS prego. They must be attracted to the feminine outline.
Or the reason why like some conspiracy theorist like to utter is the white man is putting some thing in the water to make so called black men to love the opposite sex LOL

[LovinThaTSLadiez]

Yeah I can say we agree, the semantics would be the base of difference. Hell yeah I love femininity, it's sexy and erotic, I was born that way LOL

Indeed, I can appreciate having an articulate conversation and getting an answer or maybe get some knowledge out of it. thanks with the utmost respect.

Absolutely! Likewise. :cheers:

[jamesedwards]

Absolutely! Likewise. :cheers:

Exactly good dude :cheers:

[handsumjack]

It started when I was 20 in San Francisco. My cousin took me to a sex club, up to that point my sex experience was average. A few girlfriends in High School and dating a nice 19 year old from work. To break the ice we stopped to get some drinks at the small lounge. The woman that served us was a very attractive Ebony Goddess about 28, 5 foot 7, 135 lbs. We got into a conversation and she mentioned that she would be off in a 1/2 hour and that she would give me a tour of the place. Well my cousin cut me loose and my Goddess showed me around and we rented a room. We started out like most people do kissing and feeling. I worked my way down to remove her panties and start eating her pussy and found the perfect woman. She had a beautiful black cock that I had to pleasure to enjoy for a long time. And I was hooked.